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The M4 iPad Pro and macOS really should be an option moving forward with an iPad that is now definitely a Mac computer in all but the operating system. What do you think?
Let's face it, the "Pro" in iPad Pro should stand for something and that something would be the ability to run professional software and apps that are available on macOS.
Maybe Apple held back some info during the release event and maybe we get some favourable news at WWDC next month and macOS on iPad soon after. Or, we might see flying pigs 😆
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@bowcaps 4 месяца назад

Dual boot - yes please.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

👍

@tek_soup 4 месяца назад

ive been saying the same, it is the same dang hardware, Dual Boot!

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Yes, let's hope we see dual booting soon. Maybe at WWDC next month? I wish 🤣

@tek_soup 4 месяца назад

@@DavidHarry id pay for it, their stupid if they don't do it, they would sell a lot more.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

@@tek_soup I agree, I think it would fly off the shelves with macOS on it. Many people are saying that it would butcher sales of the MacBooks, which is why Apple wouldn’t do it. However, and as you’ve said, I think they’d sell a lot more and make more in iPad Pro sales than they’d lose in MacBook sales. Plus, if someone wants a large screen and a fixed keyboard etc. They will always get the MacBook anyway, so Apple wouldn’t lose any sales either way. Cheers, Dave.

@erwinmeisel2545 4 месяца назад

The best solution: Touch functionality for Mac OS

@ldfjlas 4 месяца назад

i love my ipad pro for one thing: it is the best drawing and painting device ever made. the only thing they need to do to perfect it is make it either 16 or 24 inches and put it on a stand. I sometimes carry my ipad pro to the coffeeshop and it is great for working on a table and drinking coffee but 99 percent of the time it is stationary on my desk and I used it to draw. i don't think apple understands it is crap at almost everything but drawing. the fact that people buy a $300 keyboard for it is proof that you don't need an ipad. You need a macbook. I have no idea what they should do with the os. I only care about drawing.

@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 4 месяца назад

Some developers I know are actually working on macOS version of iPad, but they can’t share details… apparently you’ll have to have the 1 or 2Gb version and the new keyboard to switch on macOS sessions

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

That sounds awesome 👍

@KriegzMariner 26 дней назад

I ll pay top dollar for it. Hope they roll out soon before i dump this ipad because right now its just an expensive piece of garbage

@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 26 дней назад

@@KriegzMariner seems that the project dropped out. They want you to buy Mac + iPad. And yes iPad is garbage, it’s bad at everything it does. (Gaming, music production, work, and even internet browsing for some important stuff)

@KriegzMariner 26 дней назад

@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 Dang! I bought this Ipad pro (M2) which is my very first because i got tired of hauling my 14 inch macbook everywhere i went. I saw all the reviews saying ipad replaced mac so I thought it did most of the stuff a mac does. I didnt know its just a regular iphone with a larger screen.

@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 26 дней назад

@@KriegzMariner using iPad since 10 years now. I always waited for true macOS option, especially when they started making very powerful M chips, and unified many cores between MacOS and iPadOs. But it want more for their convenience than for customers. I’m in vacation right now, with my iPhone big screen and that’s totally replacing my iPad. I miss my Mac for music production. I miss my ps5 for gaming. Not my iPad.

@666Valo777 4 месяца назад

I wish this was their plan. I had every intention of getting the new one, but now that it’s come out I really don’t think there’s any need to upgrade from my 2020. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Hi. If I did not have a RU-vid channel, I would not be buying an M4 iPad Pro unless it had macOS. I still have an 11" M1 and it's awesome. With most things that are on iPad Pro, unless Apple introduce macOS to it. The simple fact is that most people won't even feel the difference between the M1, M2 and the M4 iPad Pros and upgrading to M4 from M1 and M2 is probably a waste of money outside of a few outlier scenarios. Cheers, Dave.

@666Valo777 4 месяца назад

@@DavidHarry I love my iPad, I carry it with me pretty much every where I go every day. I was really hoping for something big this time. Such potential lost.

@M0DFATH3R 4 месяца назад

Whatsoever, they’re trolling at this point

@bar10ml44 4 месяца назад

@@DavidHarryI have a 2021 I pad pro which is so smooth. I had ordered the new M4 but cancelled. I'm sick of the way they market and charge ridiculous amounts for storage and extras. Apple could offer so much more but greed prevents them.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

@@bar10ml44 I think that cancelling was the best thing. You already know that for the vast amount of things you do with your iPad Pro that the new M4 won’t appreciably improve on it. The last couple of iPad Pros are already ridiculously powerful and are underused within iPadOS. The M4 version will just end up leaving even more unused power on the table. Sure, the M4 will be better in a very select handful of apps and I dare say that people like me will show some of this. But one or two “pro” apps that may use the M4 more efficiently, isn’t a true picture of how the new iPad Pro will be used. I doubt I’ll be recommending that anyone upgrade form an M1 or M2. I’m only getting one so I can demonstrate some stuff in my videos and maybe have a bitch about it 😆 Cheers, Dave.

@andyH_England 4 месяца назад

I know a niche demographic wants to dual boot macOS on iPadOS, but if you look at it from Apple's viewpoint, you will see it as a zero-sum game. Why: 1/ Why change a business model that is working great and surviving in two difficult, high-competitive markets (PCs and tablets)? Change for change's sake; ask LG how that went! 2/ What is Apple's upside? It likely will not increase demand, push sales away from their Macbook line, and make it more difficult for shareholders to meet profit targets. Look at the iPhone mini, which sold more than most Android phones yet failed Apple's core economic viability test-profitability. 3/ Forewarned is to be forearmed. Creating a hybrid, like W8, MS attempts to become a player in the tablet market, ending in abysmal comprehensive failure and another missed opportunity by MS to become relevant. That disaster is enough to steer the ship around the iceberg. 4/ Technical issues: a/ Most iPad Pros only have 8GB of RAM, and we know that this is derided on YT comment sections and by creators. It is hypocrisy to say it is acceptable now. There is no 32GB option for iPad Pros. The 256GB models only have one NAND SSD so swap would be reduced. b/ IO could be better on an iPad. c/ Battery life on an iPad is significantly less than that of an MB Air. The battery would wear faster. d/ 11-inch macOS would look horrid, so you must use it on a single display. Just buy a Mac Mini if that is what you need. macOS is not a touch UI. e/ No fan; pro apps will throttle faster than an MB Air. f/ Slower sequential transfer speeds on an iPad. g/ Only the base M4; no M4 Pro or Max chip. 5/ The price: a 13-inch 1TB/16GB iPad Pro with keyboard and pen costs £2400, while I can get an MB Pro 14 M4 Pro 1TB/18GB for £2100! Buying an iPad Pro as an alternative to the MB Pro makes no sense. 6/ There are good reasons why Samsung does not dual-boot Windows on its Galaxy Tab S line and ditched Linux on Android. They are bad business models. Why do people expect Apple to do it and never complain that rivals are identical? There must always be a balance between what consumers want and what is viable for Apple, et al. iPads running macOS is simply a bad idea for Apple. I worked this out a decade ago and have the idealistic plan of having both-no compromises and not waiting for that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, as it doesn't and will never exist.

@ComfyChroma 4 месяца назад

iPads do not need Mac OS, just need to beef up iPad os. iPad os is the best touch based os by far. They just need to add a better file system, a fully featured web browser, and add Xcode for devs. Then just keep upgrading things as they have been, better pro apps, etc. nobody that enjoys their iPad wants an iPad that’s like a surface. Just a bloated os, that isn’t fully a pc, and isn’t fully a touch device. Let’s see what Apple does this wwdc. I already own a 12.9” M1 Pro, and don’t ever need to use a pc. It does everything I need it to and then some. I’m waiting for the next iPad pros, and will be upgrading then, but man do the m4’s make my mouth water.😂

@c.daubz.5386 4 месяца назад

💯Agree, thought this ever since 2018 ipad pro & magic keyboard but hoping wwdc gives us our wishes, 👍👍video

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Hi. Yes, with the likes of the introduction of the iPad Pro and definitely the Magic Keyboard, the direction of the iPad has looked liked it's going more toward Mac land. Finders crossed for WWDC 👍 Cheers, Dave.

@BSingh-on4qr 4 месяца назад

Not dual boot, but virtualising, so you can run it side by side seamlessly

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Either way, just anything to be able to run Mac software 👍 Cheers, Dave.

@Everyday-man 4 месяца назад

MacOS would ruin the ipad completely. What the ipad needs is some type of translation software to use MacOS programs possibly, sort of like MacOS uses Rosetta 2 to interpret Intel programs

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Yes, I’d be up for that, just the simple ability to run Mac software on the iPad. In all honestly, I’d probably ignore most of macOS on an iPad anyway, so just the ability to run Mac software would be awesome. Plus a better file management system, the file management on iOS and iPadOS is awful. Cheers, Dave.

@treelydowd1362 2 месяца назад

Here’s the thing. macOS runs NATIVELY on iPad Pros with an M chip. You don’t need a “translation layer.” I bet you could load macOS onto an iPad tomorrow if the bootloader was unlocked. I can understand why containerized virtualization for individual apps would be nice, but I would still prefer to have the macOS backend - because iPadOS is so limiting. The answer here is either Dual Boot, or a macOS touch forward UI mode. Apple wont do this even though it’s best for the consumer

@Everyday-man 2 месяца назад

@treelydowd1362 I've been thinking about it alot more and have spoken to more people. We have came up with, the 1tb up model as it has 16gb ram too. Have this have a duel boot.

@DavidHarry 2 месяца назад

@@treelydowd1362 Yes, absolutely. Give the end user a choice of both operating systems and let them choose. I get that a lot of iPad users have no interest in Mac and that's totally understandable and fine. However, and as you know, there is no technical difference between an iPad and Mac due to the Apple Silicon M series processor and SoC. So just give the end user the option, those who don't want it don't have to use it and those who want it will be kept happy. However, and again as you know, Apple wont do this and for whatever BS Apple may use to justify not doing it, it's simply because they don't want to cannibalise their product ranges. Cheers, Dave.

@BALLOOROOM 4 месяца назад

I'm sure they're working on it and won't release something half-baked. You can see some limited convergence happening. Whether they'll succeed is another thing, they might abandon the effort if they can't make it work well enough.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Let’s hope.

@PierrePradal 4 месяца назад

I see no point to have macos on ipad. What makes the efficience of an os is the fact that it is dedicated to a device and beyond that an usage. Ipad is a tablet and ipad is dedicated to specific usage far away from the typical usage of a laptop. Putting macos on ipad makes no sense at all. At least, we can hope for a enhanced version of the ipadOS, especially for ipadPro

@TheDivinepromise 4 месяца назад

I would like to have a samsung dex implementation.

@KevinMuldoon 4 месяца назад

Great video David. A dual operating tablet/laptop hybrid is something I've always wanted. It has been done in the past. I'd need to search for the names of the tablets, but there's been a few from China that let you dual boot Android and Windows. If I remember right, a hard restart was required rather than a quick switch. That is changing though. Lenovo announced this year at CES that one of their 2 in 1 Thinkpads will be Android and Windows. The closest to what we need right now is Samsung's Tab range. Following our discussion last week, I've been down the tablet rabbit hole, swaying between buying the new Apple iPad Pro, the last generation of iPad Pro or an Android tablet such as the Samsung Tab S9, S9+ or S9 Ultra. What I like about the Samsung Tab range is that when you connect the book cover keyboard, it instantly switches to Samsung DEX and you can use it like a laptop. I actually lost out on an eBay auction for an S9 Ultra with keyboard cover. Perhaps I'll win the next one 😊 I'm still considering my options though. I think the combination of Android and Dex is closer to what I want; but I also know Dex is limited too. This is an area where macOS might be better in some situations as it supports Davinci Resolve (which, admittedly, isn't perfect on iPad). Another option is a Windows 2 in 1. I've always like the Surface Pro range, but you just don't get the tablet experience with it. Keep up the great work Dave 👍 Kevin

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Alright, Kevin. Yes, absolutely, there’s already been precedent for a dual boot tablet. I also remember seeing some of those Chinese tablets that dual booted Android and Windows. I done a longer version of this video which I linked to in the description and will put it live later (but won’t have it notify the subscribers). Even in that version there were a lot of things I missed out and one of those was DeX. As you know I’m a massive DeX fan and have been using for it ages. Now I know it’s strictly not a dual OS. However, DeX mode itself, even if it is a re-skinned version and different kernel (I think) of what’s already running on the device, is as close to a “desktop” OS as you can get. So Samsung have already proven that the concept works. Plus. Apple themselves introduced Stage Manager, which in my opinion has been dreadful, or at least it does not work for me as a “desktop” UI, it’s too flaky and it’s nowhere as well thought out as DeX is. So if they’ve been prepared to do Stage Manager then they are already half way there to macOS anyway. I was going to mention Stage Manager as their half arsed attempt but didn’t want the FanBoys getting all bent out of shape 😆 For functionality, Samsung win out over Apple with Android/DeX vs iPadOS/Stage Manger and if I were coming at this fresh with no previous attachment to either main mobile OS, I’d go Samsung. However, as I’ve chosen to lay in Apple’s bed and have become drawn into their ecosystem, mostly due to my Mac computers. I’m basically f@@ked now 😆 That said, my Samsung Ultra phones get a lot of use, even if not as my phone, and I now use my S24 Ultra over my iPhone 15 Pro Max and even my M2 iPad Pro for gaming. And that’s even before DeX is mixed into the equation because the Samsungs just seem to be better in mirrored mode as well, at least for Warzone Mobile, which is super important 😆 I too like the Surfaces and a dual boot version of one of those with the right operating systems would be awesome. However, and again, I’m on Mac now and simply want my Mac software on the iPad Pro under macOS. Because, yes, there is a huge differences between running software under macOS compared to iPadOS and as you’ve mentioned, Resolve is painful under iPadOS. I have it in my Mac and iPads and aside from testing certain things with it, I immediately disliked it on iPadOS even though it’s near enough the exact same app as on macOS. Even under Stage Manager on a 32” monitor, you can’t go full screen 16:9, it just centres the Resolve UI as 3:2 pillarbox in the centre of the 16:9 screen. Plus you can’t scale things properly certain functions and buttons are hard to get at. No surprise really, as Resolve’s UI has not been optimised for touch. Just another reason for macOS on iPad. Cheers, Dave.

@KevinMuldoon 4 месяца назад

@@DavidHarry Alright Dave I've not been able to use stage manager as I'm still rocking the OG 10.5" iPad Pro, which doesn't support it. From what I remember, it seemed more like a glorified task manager for grouping apps. You'll definitely upset the fan boys if you complain about it in your video though 😂 I've tried Samsung DEX, but not used it much. When I tested it with the fold, I didn't have as much need to use it as the fold was so good at multitasking. It would be different with a tablet and keyboard though as I'd be more inclined to use it when travelling. Ultimately, everyone of these solutions had prod and cons, so we have to make compromises until a true all in one device ID released. I'm still using an iPhone 15 pro max, but thankfully not tied into any one particular eco system. So I'm perhaps a bit more flexible with which direction I go. I've definitely not ruled out iPads though. 👍 Thanks. Kevin

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

@@KevinMuldoon Alright, Kevin. I use DeX a lot with my S24 Ultra and it’s awesome. I have the original DeX Station, which is essentially a bespoke USB C dock. So I dock my Ultra and have it connected to my main 32” monitor, mouse, keyboard, wired internet and game controller. Using the Ultra and DeX in 4K on a big monitor is very close to using a desktop. In fact, DeX is better than ChromeOS and Chromebooks as far as I’m concerned, as it is a desktop OS and works great in a monitor. For someone who only does light processing on a computer and the usual daily stuff. DeX could easily be all they need for a desktop home setup. Which means that you have a boss phone, S24 Ultra or any DeX capable phone/tablet, and when you are at home you dock it and have a good general purpose PC. For someone like you or me, we would need powerful PCs for what we do but the likes of you and I aren’t typical users. Most people simply don’t have the processing requirements that we do, so something like DeX is a serious viability for a home computer setup. Anyway, I’m not talking to you anymore about this stuff because I’m getting pissed off 😆 It’s times like this that I wish I wasn’t balls deep into Apple’s BS 🤣 As I’d be having a lot more fun with my Samsung sh1t 😆 If you end up looking for a used 11” base model M1 or M2 iPad Pro then give me a shout. I’ll be selling mine after this week, they are in mint condition and I have these nice metal magnetic desktop stands for them and some cases etc. If you buy an old stock new M2 or M1 then take a look at this stand by Benks, it’s awesome ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rx52NSLKz4k.htmlsi=DY-IswEzE6fxpT8y I also show the other stand in this video which isn’t quite as flexible (this is the one I’m selling with my iPads). I’m going to see if this Benks stand still works with the M4, although, I doubt it because I think Apple have moved the magnets in the new M4 case. Keep an on my sh1t anyway if you decide to get an M4 as I’ll do a very quick video on the Benks stand anyway to let people know if it works or not with the M4. Cheers, Dave.

@KevinMuldoon 4 месяца назад

@@DavidHarry Thanks Dave. That stand does look good. I would end up buying a case, but not interested in the keyboard case as it doesn't offer any protection when it isn't docked. I like the idea of a stand like that as I could use it in a few different situations. I'm still flip flopping between a few different options. The geek in me loves the S9 Ultra, but it's likely to be too big for me when on holiday. The smaller S9 would be more up my street as it's got an 11" screen, but everyone seems to be selling the larger ultra. The 11" S9 new is overpriced, especially how much their depreciating afterwards. There's one guy selling a good condition one, but it's got a week to go and his buy it now price costs more than it is new! The S9+ seems rare too. That's the size in between. I am starting to rethink buying a new iPad too as you get a warranty, full battery and no damage etc. We're looking to book a holiday so will have a think about it all tonight once I know how much that is costing us 👍👍🙏

@markjob6354 4 месяца назад

*How about a third option David ?: May I suggest that Apple takes the iOS operating system to new heights, allowing iOS to run both Windows and Linux, and Mac_OS applications within its iOS kernel ?*

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Hi, Mark. Anything that would allow “proper” desktop apps/software to run on the IPad Pro with these powerful processors, would be an awesome step forward 👍 Cheers, Dave.

@markjob6354 4 месяца назад

@@DavidHarry Agreed.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

@@markjob6354 👍

@ruschein 4 месяца назад

I think the kernel (Darwin) is identical to the one used for macOS. It's probably "only" the user space that's different. Also running Linux applications would require a lot of work as all the Linux system calls would have to be implemented. I think FreeBSD has done that but I never heard of Darwin providing that functionality.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

@@ruschein Hi, Johannes. I also suspected that the kernel would be the same. Whatever the difference is in UI, permissions etc. are. I’d imagine that switching between two GUIs shouldn’t be a big issue and it technically wouldn’t have to dual to boot either. I think there’s also a case for live switching the kernel as well. Samsung have their DeX system and when you switch to DeX on an external monitor, from say a S24 Ultra, and the phone itself is still running Android on its own screen and that’s two GUIs, maybe two OSs at the same time on the same device. Now I know this isn’t virtualisation, so whatever it’s doing I’m fairly confident that something similar could happen better iPadOS/iOS and macOS. Cheers, Dave.

@manuelstoeckl1980 4 месяца назад

What is the main difference between iPadOS and macOS? In my opinion only to install apps from every source and not only an AppStore. And that’s why it is for me a better choice to have NO macOS on the iPad. I feel more saver with it.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

I get your point but the choice would be a good thing through, those who don’t want it don’t choose it. Cheers, Dave.

@akumarus 4 месяца назад

Yeah, the price and the hardware both will make sense if "this" were to happen. Else, it's just "top of the line iPad", that's it. Hope and pray that Apple does something to this effect as explained in the video.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Totally agree. As far as I'm concerned, Apple have to justify these increases for a "consumer" product with the guts of a "pro" product. Or else, as you've rightly said, it's just a top of the line iPad. Cheers, Dave.

@blocSonic 4 месяца назад

Perhaps WWDC will bring some iPad related surprise. I do feel like Apple is moving toward some hybrid solution in the very near future.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Absolutely, at least some kind of hybrid solution would make sense. I dare say that in the future when all the mobile devices have got more memory and storage than sense. Then Apple may end up with one unified OS. However, and until such times, as you say, let's see what WWDC brings 👍 Cheers, Dave.

@sweealamak628 4 месяца назад

Can you tell us what Mac application or function you wish to perform on the iPad? It might turn out that you're not even unleashing the full potential of your Mac in the first place, which could undermine your need for a full MacOS on an iPad. It could also be the opposite where you're using RAM/CPU intensive apps which the fanless iPad would struggle to run, unless putting in a fan in the iPad is what you want in order to run those apps.

@KrispyKrink 4 месяца назад

Incrementally they’d been making MacOS more like the iPad (Launchpad, Widgets on the desktop) and the IPad OS more Mac (KB/mouse, external monitor, multi window multitasking). I really like the way they’ve introduced Stage Manager and that’s where they could make this work. They don’t need dual OS’s, what I’d love is when I dock in to run in Stage Manager I want my MacOS application to maybe run containerized. Make it a iPad Pro only feature. It’s the only reason I haven’t bought a new iPad in 8 years. I have applications I use daily that are MacOS only. If Apple can allow me to run them on the iPad, I would be all in.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Yes, the ability to run macOS software on iPad Pro would be a huge step forward 👍 Cheers, Dave.

@williammclean6594 4 месяца назад

I think they're kind of too small to be like a laptop replacement. Most laptops are like 15 in. I wouldn't want them to make it a Mac OS until they increase the size

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

The 13” MacBook Air is actually slightly less screen area than the new 13” iPad Pro.

@williammclean6594 4 месяца назад

@@DavidHarry yeah but I still think that's too small for me. Personally I wouldn't get a laptop. That's that small because I'm an artist. I need as much screen space as possible because the screen is even smaller inside the apps for surface area to draw. I always go for the biggest model possible. So if I was going to buy the MacBook I would get the 16-in version. I'm still waiting for them to increase the size of the iPad. They were supposed to release a bigger iPad called the iPad ultra which was supposed to be 14 in. But it never came out and if we were getting it It would have already been released with these iPads. So if it is coming out it probably won't come out until next year

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

@@williammclean6594 I personally don’t like small screens either for video editing and music production. My MacBook has a 16” screen and that’s too small for me, I have it connected to at least one 32” monitor when I’m composing or editing. However, a lot of people are fine with small screens, which is where macOS on the iPad Pros could work well for certain people. Cheers, Dave.

@JamesWilliam70 4 месяца назад

I wouldn’t llimit os enabling to a keyboard track pad. I would want it enabling with the pencil as I don’t give two bits for the keyboard as an artist.

@elgonwilliams7624 4 месяца назад

IDT the dual boot option makes sense. Integrating the iPad OS functionality into MacOS wouldn't be that difficult. And perhaps Apple can control that option to have it selected at the time of purchase, you select either IPad OS or Mac OS, likely pay more for the latter. Also, the could limited the option to the highest end configurations (minimum 1 TB drive, the 10 core processor, when sold with the keyboard. They would need to install a driver for the touch screen interface. I'm just not sure what the point would be of buying a super expensive iPad to run a full laptop OS while having only one USB C port. Also, the MacOS would cut into battery power significantly as the OS is a bigger load in memory with a number of background operations keeping the processor busy. This would defeat the purpose of having a tablet device to a large extent. MS has tried running lite versions of Windows on SUrface tablets for years and toyed with using different processors. This also made the OS specifically for operating a tablet and ended up having to back out of some functionality because of user complaints. I believe Apple has witnessed MS's fiasco with Windows 8 and Surface and decided to keep the iPads from becoming Macbooks via MacOS because of that. It is an interesting nich novelty at best that would suit a few power users, but ALWAYS there would be fuller functionality with MacBook and at a lower price. Apple is about designing a product with the intention of selling millions of them. I just doesn't see an army of techies driving volume sales for such a device. So that is why Apple has never done it.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

I understand the sense in what you are saying. However, different people have different uses for their iPads etc. and there are a lot of people would like the choice of macOS on the iPad Pro. And there is my point I suppose, choice. You are of course right, many people will have absolutely no interest in running macOS on their iPad Pro, including yourself maybe. Many people don’t their want their iPad Pro to become a “proper” and for some people, a “complicated” computer, and that is totally understandable. For example, my mother uses her iPad every day but would never understand the use of macOS. However, giving the end user the choice, would be the way to keep everyone happy. Cheers, Dave.

@carriegordon5830 4 месяца назад

I agree 100%

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

👍 Cheers, Dave.

@sharkeys 4 месяца назад

iPad has needed a venture to MacOS for a while now. M1 should have been that time, at this point it feels like theyre spoon feeding features to justify upgrades. Don't get me wrong if the benchmarks are legit were talking considerable performance increases but for what? How does that translate to practical uses. For instance I'm desperate to see how local Draw Things app works for AI inference.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Although I didn't specifically say it in the video, I agree with you, the option of macOS on iPad Pro should have been with M1. And you are 100% correct, yes, the M4 will be ridiculously powerful but what's the use of all that power if we don't have the software applications to take advantage of it. Cheers, Dave.

@williammclean6594 4 месяца назад

I forget what it's called but Samsung tablets have a function where you can go to desktop mode that mimics PC. Apple could do that. But I think the reason will never see that because Apple thinks they would lose money. Because if the iPad is basically a macbook then there would be no use in making MacBooks anymore because they would basically be a laptop. It even has the keyboard that you can attach to it. They would want to make as many products as possible so they want to sell you a MacBook and an iPad. They would cut their profits in half. People have been asking for this for 10 years and they haven't done anything

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

You're talking about DeX, which is awesome, I've been using it for years on my Galaxy tablets and phones. Apple's Stage Manager was basically their poor attempt at DeX but Apple have missed the point where Samsung got it right. I get that Apple are all about maximising profit etc. However, they have been known to go back on policy at times. The iPad was never supposed to use a physical mouse or keyboard and now Apple even make the Magic Keyboard for it. There may be hope yet 👍 Cheers, Dave.

@PPLRRN 4 месяца назад

If the Mac is not made for touch, then don't use a mouse either.

@soroushahadi2949 3 месяца назад

Just a huge update for mac os that make it more like ipad os. So listen if apple is going to make the mac touchable it wont look the same, it differs with huge buttons and touchable things...

@montaine320 4 месяца назад

With the release of more power hungry version of apps, I feel like this is sadly unlikely. Hoping for a refresh at WWDC

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Yes, it could go either way, however, I really would like to have the ability to install apps that I use on my MacBook and MacMini. As you say, let's see what happens at WWDC 👍 Cheers, Dave.

@silentgoblin7722 4 месяца назад

While I would love for Apple to introduce dual-boot of MacOS and iPadOS, they probably won't do it because it will compete with Macbook sales. The only way I see it happening is if Samsung introduces it first with Windows on their tablets.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Yes, you are probably right. However, there could be an argument that it could help sales as much as hurt them. Good point about Samsung. Yes, if they introduced Windows on some of their devices as dual boot with Android, Apple would definitely have to think about macOS on iPad. in fact, it was probably Samsung that pushed Apple to do Stage Manger because of Samsung DeX on some of their tablets and phones. Cheers, Dave.

@MikeHightower1 4 месяца назад

I believe the nano coated screen will be the special one the most likely gets it first

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Yes, if they were to do it, it’s likely to only happen on the 1TB+ versions. Cheers, Dave.

@TMC3000 4 месяца назад

Love your content….my suggestion will be to create an hybrid os called MacPadOS, a fused version of both into one….That should make sense to me more.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Thanks. Yes, that's a good idea 👍 Anything that allows us to install Mac software on the iPad would be a winner. Cheers, Dave.

@Craig-tp3zi 4 месяца назад

Different devices for different scenarios. Makes more sense to put macOS in a Studio Display 🙂

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

That sounds like an awesome iMac 👍

@gaiustacitus4242 4 месяца назад

OK, the M4 iPad has the power, RAM, and storage to run MacOS and applications that run it. However, Apple has always targeted the iPad at users who do not want a laptop. I'm not seeing the iPad move away from iOS.

@andyH_England 4 месяца назад

True. My parents, in the 70s at the time, never used a PC as they could not connect with them. I bought both of them iPads, and they use them every day. This is the truth about iPads, and what Apple marketing is really saying: it is a replacement PC for some, but not for everyone and since my parents started using iPads and they have the Pros, just for browsing, reading, card games, word puzzled, iMessage, etc., they have opened up a new pathway as they hit their 80s. Having the M4 means longevity, not necessarily for "pro" use; it's future-proofing, and Apple has stated this. Why wouldn't anyone want the fastest chip Apple sells?

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

It’s about choice. Those who want iPadOS don’t need to even look at macOS. Cheers, Dave.

@andyH_England 4 месяца назад

@@DavidHarry WOA has been going longer than Apple Silicon, and we have seen no concerted move towards Android/Windows hybrids (choice, as you say). A few tried, and they flopped so badly that I cannot even remember which OEM was mad enough to try it! Apple knows this is a disaster in waiting, and without consumers looking at the minefield, they are wearing rose-tinted glasses. We need more developers to port MacOS apps to iPadOS, but like myself, they are still looking for an end game.

@andyH_England 4 месяца назад

@@DavidHarry By the way, if Apple did some convergence, it would be virtualisation rather than hybrid or dual boot. So if they can create a simple virtual machine and allow users who already have a Mac and own the respective software, then that would be economically viable, and they could allow macOS on iPads.

@h1a8 4 месяца назад

You said you never wanted to see a touchscreen Mac. Why is an extra option (where you are not forced to use) a negative? Some will value the touchscreen and some won't. The ones who won't don't have to use the touchscreen

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

It’s the same argument for having a choice of macOS on the iPad, you don’t use it if you don’t want it. And this is the point I’m getting at, choice. Just because I don’t want touch on a MacBook, it doesn’t make me right, there’s loads of people who’d love touch on their MacBooks. I say give the people the choice and let them decide. Cheers, Dave.

@peteherrera1502 4 месяца назад

How to revitalize the IPAD in general with the M4 chip and above. They could create a dual boot manager system on the IPAD that would allow the user to select which fully boot OS environment that the user wanted to use when booting up the IPAD and then allow the user at boot time to select MAC OS or IPAD OS And each booted environment would have all of the respective app's which belong to their respective OS environments when booted. This way you lose no MAC OS or IPAD OS application or system functionality. And the user could use the new IPAD OS keyboard/mouse on the MAC OS when the MAC OS is booted; which means Apple would also need to make sure that the New IPAD keyboard/mouse has compatible drivers for the MAC OS environment. And the MAC OS would have bluetooth capability for bluetooth device. They would sell like hotcakes. So much so that it would revitalize Apple. Sincerely Yours, Pete Herrera (Retired OpenVMS Consultant)

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Yes, a dual boot system would open up a lot of opportunities and potentially create a super flexible portable device that could also work as a desktop with a dock 👍 Cheers, Dave.

@Drk-qd9qc 4 месяца назад

Well said, I'll just add that being able to reboot and test applications natively would speed up and simplify things on the development side of things as well.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

@@Drk-qd9qc 👍

@TLSYoutube 4 месяца назад

I basically want a macbook in an ipad body and portability

@jno5 4 месяца назад

I’ve ordered the new iPad Pro 11” to replace my aging iPad Pro 10.5”. I think you’re correct with a Dual Boot system, however I’d say if you want MacOS you should be able to download MacOS (for free), if you don’t want it then don’t download it (free up your memory). Agree it should only be able to dual boot if in the Magic Keyboard or has a keyboard / mouse attached. Even if they only allowed you to download MacOS on the 1TB & 2TB versions because of the extra Ram (16GB over 8GB) also having the 10 cores and maybe the additional hard drive space, I could expect that (should of told everyone at release, so if you wanted dual boot you could of bought the correct version). Will Apple do it, at first I think ‘NO’ that will take sales away from Mac; however if it’s true that sales are declining in both Mac & iPad, maybe giving the option to be able to combine both is a possibility and more so if they force you to buy the higher specification version plus a Magic Keyboard, they have then sold a product which cost more than a Mac. My MacBook Pro is over 14yrs old, I rarely use it, so have no intention of replacing it but if Apple did dual boot on my new iPad I would buy a Magic Keyboard & Pencil etc so Apple would earn more from me than if they didn’t.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

I totally agree with everything you’ve said. Yes, there’s a potentially sticky situation of iPad Pro with macOS maybe stopping sales of macOS. However, as you said, adding extra RAM/storage and Magic Keyboard to an iPad Pad can be a lot more expensive than certain MacBooks. In which case, can Apple really lose? Plus, if it meant a sale of an Apple where there wouldn’t have been a sale, again, Apple don’t lose. One thing’s for sure, there must be someone at Apple thinking about these things. Cheers, Dave.

@donald2818 4 месяца назад

It's pointless about saying what Apple could do when they won't :)

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Apple said the iPad would never use a physical mouse our keyboard, look how that turned out.

@andyH_England 4 месяца назад

Sorry to tread on binning-gate again, but this is now a solution for Apple to maximise yield from each wafer and reduce e-waste. You will find that the iPhone 16 will have a binned A18 chip, and the iPhone 16Pro will have a non-binned A18Pro version. This has been Apple's roadmap for a few years, and it will finally be able to come together now that everything has fallen into place. This does not mean that the iPhone will soon be running macOS.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Andy. I already made my point very clear about that, it’s not the binning that I have a problem with, it’s the use of binning to create two different processors on a platform that has historically been unified for its processing. Plus, your iPhone example is flawed. Yes, they will be using binned chips but the processing ability will remain the same across each range. Cheers, Dave.

@andyH_England 4 месяца назад

@@DavidHarry, I understand about the iPhones, but the M4 is only in the iPad Pro line, so binning can only be achieved via this method. Otherwise, are you promoting e-waste and more expensive chips? Also, benchmarks suggest a

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

@@andyH_England The M4 supposedly has a high yield and less waste than the previous nodes. Benchmarks will definitely be more than 10% difference. It won’t be linear as you’re losing 25% of your performance cores. My guess is closer to 20%.

@andyH_England 4 месяца назад

@@DavidHarry I look forward to seeing your reviews and results. Hopefully sometime in the next week. I am only quoting what I saw on Twitter so take that with a pinch of salt.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

@@andyH_England Hi, Andy. I should have it on Wednesday. I’ll do a quick video with the Geekbench 6 run and compare it to the 10 core results, which will be in the Geekbench database on Wednesday. I’d love there to be only a 10% difference but for the heavy multi-threaded tasks that rely on the performance cores, losing 25% of those cores must be worse than 10% overall, as the 6 efficiency cores are a lot lower in the total summing of the processing abilities. BTW. I seen another comment of yours, I’ve not replied as it’s a long one and I don’t like making short answers when someone has taken the time to post a long comment. I’ll try and answer it properly as soon as I can. It’s just that I’m trying to catchup on about 10 videos and will have to get on with my M4 videos ASAP and am finding it difficult to find the time for comments. To be honest, I don’t usually get involved in the comments but this video in particular has had some good, balanced comments and good arguments against my point. Cheers, Dave.

@Mike5GSR 4 месяца назад

I brought this up in my auto-deleted comment on your previous video. I don't see this crossover happening. If you showed me a leak of Apple making an AMOLED Mac monitor, then I'd have hope. If they had another product that actually would support touch and/or the Apple Pencil on Mac, then I could see it happening. If I saw a leak for an Apple iPad dock, I could see this happening. I can't see them allowing crossover iPad/MacOS without a way of using it to monetize new hardware. Then you've got the issue with consumer confusion, because this would need to be limited to M series iPads. iPad 10's couldn't do it, iPad Mini's couldn't and even the previous iPad Air A14 Bionic would be excluded. Granted Apple isn't above consumer confusion. They're selling 4 Apple Pencils at the same time and the next Air is thicker and heavier than the next Pro, but the next Air does support the Pro Pencil. Apple is also very protective of their ecosystem. They don't even like Epic bypassing their store using Safari. I can imagine all the vulnerabilities of allowing a dual boot OS. I'm sure there's some expert with Terminal commands that can't wait to open up iPad OS. I'll be happy with Metal Performance Monitor on all the M series iPads with iPadOS 18. That is at least realistic.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Alright, Mike. Yes, it's very unlikely, and for all the obvious reasons, but it won't stop me from bitching about it now that the iPad Pro is basically a Mac. You're right, if there were other signs of potential crossover with Mac, such as touch screens etc. Then maybe macOS on iPad wouldn't be so far fetched. Now while I totally agree that Apple have always had their plans and direction pretty much set in concrete before they do anything or make a new release. I'm not sure that even they know exactly what's going on with their direction and their product definitions at the moment. Putting "Pro" Mac hardware in a "consumer" mobile device, as far as I'm concerned, sends out mixed messages. At the very least, it blurs the lines. I get that it's easier to fabricate the same silicon across product lines and it makes things cleaner and cheaper (for Apple). And moving Mac to ARM with Apple Silicon was always going to end up with amalgamations at some point. But the whole thing is now starting to feel very incestuous and I think that it's Apple themselves who are the culprits for the confusion. I mean, I'm a consumer and they've got me confused as f..k 😆 On the point of the Epic thing. I'm not actually a fan of Apple, just certain products and I'm obviously very vocal about certain things. However, I totally agree with Apple's stance on the whole Epic thing. While my main reasoning is that the App Store should be safe and the hardware should run through it, or Apple certified downloads etc. And yes, Apple make a lot of money in commissions etc. But how many apps and games do you think only made it because they were on the App Store? You don't hear anyone with no success bitching about Apples cut. So yes, I do agree that as far as security is concerned, there has to be some care applied to what an Apple device can and can't do. But I wouldn't use that argument to shut down the legitimate use of a better OS on an iPad. Anyway. We will all be talking about the same things next year, as we do, year on year with Apple. Cheers, Dave.

@pychoanalysticRob 4 месяца назад

I like iPad OS, You people wanting iPad to turn into Mac stick to your F ing Mac!Me I want the touch screen and Apple Pencil for Art etc.

@ertcg8885 4 месяца назад

Totally agree, getting really tired of traveling with both devices because I draw on one and edit on the other and it is heavy af as carry on. Been using the mini to draw now instead but the size is too limiting ( sigh )

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Yes, the iPad Pro could easily be enough on it's own if it had macOS or was compatible Mac applications. Cheers, Dave.

@CDubb442 4 месяца назад

It’ll be some stripped down version of macOS

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Maybe.

@arphenti2502 4 месяца назад

It would be neat. At least launching macos apps on ipados, as it is possible to launch ios apps on macos

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Exactly 👍 even just the ability to install Mac software on iPad would be awesome. Cheers, Dave.

@michelepes4187 4 месяца назад

It is Apple guys ! So why should they do it !? As long as we are all willing to pay the price for both devices.... No need to allow a device that by definition will replace one of the 2 ! It`s about the money and nothing else.... it would be easy with this hardware coming alongside to provide a MAC OS touch version ..... Just look at the microsoft surface and you have the best example. But as part of the Apple sect , we have basically subscribed to been forced to buy absolutly every device that Apple has invented. The only surprise to me, that they skipped on the car topic, as that would have been the ultimate cash machine to them.

@snerkjen 4 месяца назад

If i want a Mac i buy one. If i buy an iPad is because i don’t Wanr a Mac!

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Then you do that 👍 I’m simply suggesting choice in the same device for those who want it. Cheers, Dave.

@lynxAzur 4 месяца назад

What a boring of a repetition which miss the point, the issue is not the OS, it is the application, too often limited, especially the ones from Apple, the OS is perfect for the iPad even it can have space for improvement What we need is better app, Xcode/terminal iPadOS version … etc

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

I'm glad you enjoyed the video, you are very welcome and thank you for your comment 👍 Cheers, Dave.

@noelsaw 4 месяца назад

Which iPad stand is that in the video? Thanks in advance!

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

It’s this one ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rx52NSLKz4k.htmlsi=Jfu08fPqJM1h3cS7 Cheers, Dave.

@isnameisfree 4 месяца назад

The title is too clickbait

@katoy9976 4 месяца назад

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@katoy9976 4 месяца назад

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@theoffice4951 4 месяца назад

At this point iPad should be able to run macOS or dual boot. The iPad Pro must. If not it’s just an iPhone supersized. Put a quarter in your ass cause you just played yourself, Apple.

@DavidHarry 4 месяца назад

Absolutely 👍 We are now a long way from an oversized iPhone. Apple really do need to step up to the plate when they use the word "Pro" in their product names. Maybe there'll be news at WWDC? Cheers, Dave.