MacOS Ventura - Upgrade Your Studio? 

BARRY, a total wipe out is great advice. I recommend about one a year to perform a wipe out and reinstall. It can become slightly trick now that the OS is digitally singed by apple on the AppStore in situations where you may need to go back.

The look you're making in the thumbnail says it all and I'm still watching, Barry! Keep up the good work!

Thank you sir, great video and made me realize I should probably wait! Thank you for what you are doing to help us! George

Excellent! I upgraded, on January 23, Logic crashes instantly. I didn't manage to get it to work yet. It's a really big pain. I will go back to Monterey with my backup. Ventura is messed up.

Ok so I’m a new Mac user (after my first cpu tab works from Compaq) and so I did upgraded the second I saw Ventura update. I did had some problems with Logic klopfgeist ….. it took about 10 minutes to load a small sesion (I panicked ) In that immediate moment I knew I should have waited and hoped I had your phone 😂😂😂 nevertheless I restarted 2 times and problem solved. I think plug ins were upgrading or something. Your channel it’s amazing just hearing your opinion and sharing is so satisfying. Keep it up, I follow you before your transformation from Avid and saw the whole process. 🤜

I have just bought a new Mac coming from PC so of course I need help

I’ve been a Mac user since 1984. What I have learned over these 38 years is to only deal with software and hardware vendors who follow Apple’s guidelines. New OSs add features, they don’t take away. Properly written software can’t break because all the stuff it depends on is still there and what is missing is taking advantage of new technology. I have kept track of those companies that have problems with new OS releases and I simply don’t use them, or dump them if I bought something from someone without a track record. With audio hardware, if it is Apple Core Audio compliant it does not need a driver. So I don’t use hardware that requires a driver. The result of this practice? I ALWAYS upgrade on day one of the OS release and I NEVER have had a problem upgrading on day one.

I just upgraded to Monterrey two months ago on my 2017 MacBook Pro I only relented too because I got tired of seeing it taking up like 18GB on my drive.

Hey Barry, do you happen to have a video or direct me to one for that "fresh install" thing?

it's been 5 months and I've been warned 5 months prior but I'm willing to try it now and see if it works for me! great video nonetheless

Can i update mac Ventura will my universe audio, waves , waves and machine 2 work find

My Apogee Mini ME stopped working after the upgrade to Ventura.. 🥺

I just ordered a new MacBook Pro, I am concerned that it will come with Ventura, hoping to get Monterey. But I hope Fabfilter, SSL and Soundtoys will work on Logic.

I have an iMac Pro running high sierra with pro tools 2018.4. I was so terrified of updating my os that I have recently purchased a mac studio ultra and I’m going to down load protools studio. I am planning to keep my older system intact until I know my recording will work on the new system. Now I have to upgrade my Focusrite driver which will probably not work with my old system. Why do we do this to ourselves. Lol. Really enjoy your material and how it’s presented.

just upgrade your studio to windows lol but in all seriousness ever since i switch to windows i dont have to worry about Mac updates breaking some plugins i still use a macbook pro for on the go production but i already switched to windows for my main machine Cubase even crash less frequently on windows

I’m learning the hard way

The best way to upgrade may be to clone your current working computer to an external hard drive, then boot your computer from that external hard drive, then upgrade the system that’s on the external hard drive to Ventura, and try to see if everything works that way. If it doesn’t work you just unplug the external hard drive and boot your system like you normally do. That way you can try out everything without compromising your original system.

I'm still on Catalina, but I only have a MacMini late 2012 i7 😅 It's still running fine but I'm thinking about upgrading it to Mac Studio or m2 Mini this year.

Did you update ?

I’m fortunate enough to use apples for my everyday light work at home and love the integration across devices. I kept trying a Mac for my studio and always have problems. My Dual Presonus Quantum interfaces (+ plugins)work perfectly through every single Windows 10/11 update. I keep trying to go back to a full Mac ecosystem, but when I need to get serious work done, I have to use Windows…. Also don’t get me started on thousands of dollars spent on horrible docking stations for macs. I have trouble with intel and M1/2 Mac models (FYI I’m an IT director and employ a couple audio engineers for reference) Side-note: The entire Presonus ecosystems and software is amazing! Thanks for the video.

today I upgraded to Ventura , I am in hill now all my system is fucked up ,,

Hi Barry. Just came across your channel. Thank you for your clear and awesome explanations. I just sprung for a M1 studio max. Not sure what it’s shipping with but I assume it’s Ventura. I have a super old Mac now… 2011… I have a licence now for Komplete 14 ultimate. Wondering if Komplete will be a ok with Ventura. Appreciate any advice you can give. Thanks again and loving your videos..

Barry I love your videos!!! But OSX hasn't been around for a few years already 😁 The X in Mac OS X stood for 10, they went to 11 and now it's just Mac OS plus the name Ventura in this case. Keep up the good work :)

It’s working for me 😂😂😂 protools stop crashing right now too💥

Anyone have an issue on Ventura with Output Arcade connecting to the internet ? I cannot play or download anything in arcade. I keep getting a pop up saying not connected, check connection

I updated because I am hoping that it would utilize the apple silicon better. Everything seems to be running smoother and faster, I actually disabled the new features….only Sonible plug ins had an issue, but they seem to have released fixes on Ventura release day! That is some developer that I will commit to., respect!

Good points. I‘ve been on mac since 2004/2005, too. You forgot one important hurdle within the intel phase: 32 to 64 Bit. Together with Apple‘s indecisiveness towards Carbon vs Cocoa for a while, it started the 12 year long discussion wether or not you really need 64 bits, mostly driven by favorite plugins which were never migrated to 64 Bits. Beside the big milestones, there were other breaking changes, though. Security features like signed installers, for example. Now, slowly but surely, openGL is deprecated and GUI acceleration needs to be Metal. AUv3 will at some point be required. There’s no discussing away that Apple keeps developers on their toes compared to Microsoft who still maintain win32 compatibility. They invest a lot of time and effort into softening the blow of breaking changes and for most of us, that actually works surprisingly well. That being said, as one shining example, if you use FabFilter plugins, they have an incredibly good track record of choosing technology that doesn’t break. You may see 6 months after a new major version without an update because everything just continues to work or you may receive a compatibility update before or on the day of release of MacOS, which fixes compatibility. The only company which comes even close, despite all the WUP hate, is Waves. They‘ve almost every time been compatible within days of release. Me personally, I‘ve had the experience that developers who can’t maintain compatibility on MacOS also tend to have issues in their plugins like memory leaks or audio issues which just never get fixed.

I'm running Ventura in a Proxmox virtual machine, and I haven't found any feature useful for us audio/music folks, good thing is it's "hackintosh compatible" even on old 4th gen Intel (Haswell) and its igpu, actually I still have Mojave/Catalina on my older Intel Macs, and Big Sur on my M1 Mac Mini because I haven't found any appealing features on Monterey anyway - only once my software becomes incompatible (and Reaper won't anytime soon), I'd be forced to upgrade....

I Have Been On Mac Since 1995 On a Mac 7600 With Cubase And i Always Hoped That Apple Would Make a OS Just For Music and Video Production And Love All That Gimmicky Crap Out Of It Just a Rock Solid OS With No Bells And Whistles Stuff So The Plugins Software Companies Didn't Have To Keep Up As Much But That Was Wishful Thinking

I stay one year behind. Just got a Mac Studio to replace my iMac 5K, and I haven’t booted it up yet (day gig and tired at day’s end). I’m worried Ventura is on there, but I think I can wipe it and load Monterey. It’s only been a few weeks, and the MS was released with Monterey. True? I contacted Apple before buying and they assured me that it would come with Monterey.

Thanks!

Yup, upgrade the Studio to Windows, haha! Absolutely, there are many different use cases, but since Windows has become rather stable for audio production in the last few years, and it breaks compatibility less frequently, and you get more processing power for less money (just price a multicore Xeon Mac Pro with maxed out RAM on the Apple store and see how much cheaper you can get the same configuration on a Windows machine...), Mac is not an obvious no-brainer automatic choice for music production anymore. Even before the Apple Silicon switch, Mac OS upgrades often broke hardware and software compatibility. Sure, vendors eventually caught up, but then there were the puzzle games of certain DAWs only working on Apple Silicon with VST3s but with Rosetta would work with VST2s but then the whole 32 and 64 bit thing comes in... Yes, for some users with their setup things may work, but it is not always user error when things do NOT work. As an example, even MOTU technical support admitted the debacle with updates and compatibility with some of their interfaces. Then the Apple fan crowd comes in an scoffs at anyone who points things out saying "well, why would you even want to do that" and "if it does not work with Apple then one does not even need to do that in life" and "try not to hold it that way". In the meantime, some interfaces AND even software and plugins have been working literally just fine since Windows XP. So again, with endless use cases and hardware/software combinations, there is never a guarantee. Notice how many composers are running their Cubase on Windows? More power, expandability and networkability for complex studio setups. Yes, agreed, that is a more specific music composition/scoring use case, but it is not a statistical outlier anymore. In my opinion, where Apple really shines is their creative music tools on iOS. There so many great and stable apps that provide extremely powerful music creation tools. As such, I find the combination of Windows studio rig with iOS for mobile production a good combination. For a powerful but fairly lean music production laptop, M1M2 MacBooks are great, so credit is given where it is due. For a more powerful and configurable portable experience, custom-built Windows laptops may work better, as they can be customized with multiple NVME drives and upgraded to RAM, and many of them have significantly more port options. Of course, we will see what the more powerful versions of the M2 chip will bring in new MacBook Pros, probably in the spring... In the meantime, everyone hold off on your OS updates as long as you can!

I don't upgrade unless I absolutely am required to do so. Mac, Windows, iOS, Linux, it doesn't matter. I treat my audio computers as appliances. If you want to 'play' with the new OS do it on a separate computer.

My initial idea was to use a Caldigit hub to go between systems. Not sure that will work. I guess the fun is in trying.

Hi Barry, have you ever experienced issues updating within a version of macOS? My scenario is this - my current machine is an M1 Mac mini on monterey 12.5.1 as it arrived brand new and my M1 macbook air is currently in the mail (brand new shipped from apple) on its way to me with what I hope will be any version of monterey (hopefully not ventura). The plan is to have them be exactly the same using migration assistant as soon as the macbook arrives. If the the macbook air arrives with any other version of monterey besides 12.5.1 I plan to update them both to the final update of monterey 12.6.8. Do you foresee any plug-in or software issues caused by this or are we pretty safe moving within updates in monterey? I understand that without knowing my exact software my mileage may vary but I would value your input whatever the result may be when I go ahead with the plan.

Every upgrade or patch or beta or anti virus software or ANYTHING has been false hope for my purposes. I use both Windows and Mac and both have been a slow burning nightmare for me. I dont trust anything they say, and they will not be there to care in any way shape or form other than the bare minimum. Life is getting a remote control but losing your batteries for it. Going wireless to avoid that darn cable tangle only to find them glitching because of wifi problems. Date the beauty queen and have to deal with the beauty queen. But, art, friends, true love, and patience can see you through. Thanks for the videos Barry!

Autumn, falling leaves, seasonal topic: A new Mac OS, should we udpate now? No. Wait. 6 months or more. As usual. Personnaly I switched to Monterey 2 months ago.

Lol, Ventura uses 6.5GB RAM upon boot-up, no RU-vidr explained this at all. This high system requirements will tank entry level Macs with just 8GB unupgradeable RAM. I will stay with Monterey for the rest of the lifetime of my M1 Mac Mini.

The only "downfall" of playing it safe and waiting is that even if you have Apple Care they won't assist you with anything until you have the most current OS and all updates installed.

Ventura is great but plugin manufacturers need to catch up, protools works but very few plugins and you will have to spend some money on plugin upgrades, uad plugins work great.

God Bless Barry Johns 🙏🏻🎸 God Bless President Trump🙏🏻🇺🇸

The hidden message here is if you have not upgraded your computer system to M1, this might be a good time to do it. My M1 MacBook is stable running audio software and runs faster and cooler than my i9 laptop.

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