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Green Mills It is all relative to a persons frame of reference. A racist is a person who more often than not has had a little experience with those he condemns. Once a racist has been enlightened by more compassionate human beings and actually experienced those he fears, then more, often than not, we have a reformed racist. The character of Rodger clearly changed and clearly learned throughout this excellent series. He was one of the most compassionate and forgiving people throughout the series. Even the most cruel and heartless human being may have compassion hiding deep within him.
"Peggy, can you get me some coffee?" "No." I feel like she was the only one who got away with saying no to him. Probably because he acknowledges that she's got more balls than most men in the building.
Yeah that could be but to me it was more because she realised that since they're creating a new company Roger and she basically stand at the same authority level. That's why she said no to him. But yeah she still had balls and I liked her character.
All I know is that John Slattery is one hot grandpa. If it weren't for his acting skill and suaveness Roger Sterling wouldn't have been nearly as interesting.
Hmm. Not quite feeling that one. That’s one of those lines that sounds profound at first glance....but then just isn’t once you stop and think about it.
I would say it makes sense. I mean Rogers past is having been privileged and successful and he’s continuing to run to that lifestyle that has an expiration date. Means to an end so to speak. His skill is solely based on relying on others skills.
Don grabbing him by the hair and slapping him mid-heart attack in order to remind him of his wife's name is the Ultimate Wing Man maneuver. Not saying it's right. but damn... Don has his back.
The best decision Weiner made was NOT killing off Roger at the end of season one (like he intended). Weiner has said he had all of the fates of the MM characters decided very early on - the only one that changed was Roger's.
Anthony dos Santos you have a point in referring to the ending as a figurative death for Don. While the ending is typically interpreted as a happy "letting go" and acceptance of himself, that in and of itself can be seen as a form of death. After all, we do say shit like "he's at peace now" or "no more pain" when someone dies. By that logic, Roger's been dead the whole series lol
My favorite part of the scene where he's ogling the two girls and saying that women lose their glow at 30, it turns out that they weren't even looking at him, but Don, and you can see that's a blow to his confidence as an older man who still wants to be desirable.
@Xaris Xeros It certainly _is_ a point that goes both ways, but in this case I think that it was supposed to be directed at Roger's insecurities with his age.
@@saeedvazirian Him being wrong doesnt mean its not a profound statement anymore. In fact, It shows even further how his character wants to be in the past
I really wanted Joan with Roger, but her character wouldn’t have grown or flourished had she stayed with him. Nevertheless, Roger kept the show light. That’s why I love his character.
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 Obviously, once Peggy started being successful, Joan realized how much she wanted to have a successful professional life too.
@@trappnest4490 True. but what I'm wondering is that if Joan would have married Rodger if she would have been just as unhappy as Jane and Betty and Mona?
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 Probably considering how unhappy Mona and Jane were with Roger. Roger needed to be with a woman like him. That's why I was so happy when he married Marie.
@@trappnest4490 yes Maria's very sassy and Jonas sassy but sometimes I think Joan tries to be submissive, Marie at some point here you've probably try to be submissive but fuck that. I can easily imagine Moana to be as naive as Betty and innocent and perky as Trudy only to get jaded overtime, and unlike Joan she lacked outlets to serve her intelligence and a substantial manner.
The real reason this character works so well is because John Slattery is freakin' BRILLIANT!! Nobody else could've brought what he did. His comedic timing is just spot on. Extremely underrated....
ikr. I thought with that annoying, pseudo-millennial voice that it'd be a superficial, HS-level observation, but I'm glad I was wrong - they are very insightful and well-crafted. A+, Screenprism.
Roger was only like 44 in the first season. His super white hair makes him look more like a guy in his mid 50s that’s good looking and young looking. Reality is he was still fairly young when the show started.
@@ElianaRosalind so what we see on that first season is technically a 44 year old man because of filming dates but it doesn’t matter. I’m 40 and I can’t imagine I’m close to that age he was lol
The defining moment for me was after the lawn mower incident when the junior execs were covered in blood and cringing in horror and he chastises them for over reacting. He was a man who saw a lot of horrible things as a young man- Life became a bitter illusion and suffering only relative.
I loved Peggy's flat 'No' to Roger. One of the best moments of the show. And his 'happily ever after' seemed like it might actually be. At last - a woman of his age and time, who didn't let him push her around.
@@magentuspriest Yes! That was so delightful. And then he gives her the picture of the Japanese woman and the octopus, and when she says he has to make 'men comfortable', he's all 'fuck that!' That was an excellent scene between them. And her walking into her new office, cigarette and painting, so bad-ass..... :D
Sterling didn’t serve in Europe. He was a navy man (most likely an officer given his family connections) in the pacific theatre, fighting the Japanese. He’s references the battles of Iwo Jima and Okinawa throughout the series.
Taylor Watson Most men who fought in WW2 hated their enemies. But those who fought in the Pacific loathed the Japanese and for good reason. They committed a war crime at Pearl Harbor, literally ate American POWs that they didn’t torture to death and were suicidal in their war methods. Listen to Dan Carlin’s “Supernova in the East”.
@@makerstudios5456 Ya it's hard to fault Roger for being racist against Japanese people. My personal favorite lines from the show are "These are not the same people" "How could that be? I'm the same people!"
makerstudios Germans committed war crimes too. There was definitely a racial element to the hated of the Japanese. I mean it's obvious from the wartime discourse and propaganda.
“These are not the same people” and “How can that be, I’m the same people?!” Hits you like a ton of bricks, it really explains the mindset of the generation.
Despite his background, Roger is one of the most relatable and likeable characters in Madmen. He's spoilt, but he knows it, He also has savoir faire and great humour. I think Dick/Don has modelled his persona on Roger, but Don's poor background has given him a hunger for success and recognition that Roger has never had.
IMHO one of the tragedies of Roger's arc is that he IS good at what he does, and people often don't see it because he was born into that position. Of course, his greatest tragedy was that 70's mustache...
What exactly do they do all day? This is in an era where there are no computers & meetings are held in person & not that frequent All they appear to do all day long is drink, smoke, go to lunch & run their mouths, Very entertaining but none of them appear to have any work ethic
This video makes me realized that Bojack has more in common with Roger than Don. Sure, Bojack has a terrible childhood. But his early success and celebrity status stunt his growth and gave him existential crisis. His story arc has more in common with Roger in Mad Men than Don's. If anything, Don is a lot more like Diane: constant relationship problems and trying to prove him/herself.
Roger seems more like Mr. Peanut Butter to me. A joke, his success is inevitable, dates only young women and everyone loves him. The only thing they don’t have in common is that PB doesn’t seek meaning, he just wants to entertain himself with pointless BS until he dies. BJ doesn’t fit Roger because no one likes him and he’s always seeking that validation from others.
@@hipporage18 I agree with that. I believe that, although the show may never depict it even if they make another season, that Mr peanut butter WILL have an existential crisis at some point and it was hinted at in the most recent season.
Roger Sterling is an incredible man. John Slattery took this role and absolutely ran with it. Hard to really imagine Roger as anyone else. Can't wait to see what Slattery has in store in Weiner's new series.
The MadMen analysis series that you do is an incredible gift for us MadMen fans. Really appreciate the time and work that you put into making these videos.
I don't think John Slattery ever got enough credit for this role. It's not an easy role to play and he's fantastic in it. He's also in fantastic shape, which can't be easy to maintain at his age either.
I actually remember this guy as an awkward teenager moving into the dorms of Catholic University as a freshman. (I was a Junior). Cannot believe it's the same guy.
Ginsberg is just a guy with asperger. He can't shut the fuck up for the life of him. He is highly intelligent but his mental illness refuses him any form of success or self improvement. It is not obvious but once you look up asperger and his countless scenes of strange behaviors. It makes perfect sense. The last scene with the computers, he just disappears which is not the first time when he was out right forgotten. Ginsberg represents the failed, unprivileged class. Constantly taken advantage of and shit on because who really gives a fuck about those born incomplete. Either through a diagnosed or an undiagnosed internal conflict.
Every character in Mad Men, whether an outsider or very powerful and well off, meets disillusionment. That is, for me, the overriding theme of the show. While that seems very depressing at first glance, that disillusionment is the key to squaring with reality and finding true happiness.
I was really worried that Pete and more importantly his wife and daughter were going to run into that one more time....but pete's job offer was legitimate and worked out.....though with the tone of the show we may have to assume a certain level of struggles ahead of them
panama880 --Especially thinking in his wife’s summation of him ‘how dare you fill a man like that with ambition!’ Didn’t that blow your mind at the depth of what it would mean?
His death haunted me to this day. But I like the fact that they kept his name even after they founded a new company. That was respect no other character got.
Just finished Mad Men a few weeks ago.. I had a nostalgic feeling when watching it. The cast, the story lines the writing & the music was breath taking. It's like watching your grandfathers life. So many ups and downs, exactly what life is like. I'm a millennial, however I looked back on the 60's as an amazing time. But it was in fact a very depressing & hard time for many. Although it was cool it was a very scary & fast moving decade. Just one of the reasons why I loved the show, it's extremely realistic. These character analysis just made me miss it more! But I still can't get enough of it now that's it's over! Would love to see Sally Draper next!!
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Being an atheist niilist Brazilian man with Arab ancestry and without any wish for marriage and little interest in fatherhood, the 1960's Mad Men's lifestyle would have driven me crazy.
Roger has a certain humility, self-awareness and core of basic goodness... he could easily be abusive, exploitative, etc., but he's not... and even his ex-wife continues to love and care about him (in a self-respecting, healthy way), and vice versa... as does Joan... as does his daughter... and he's clearly a doting grandfather... That really says a lot in his favor. Having known a few people with both inherited and self-attained wealth/power, I consider Roger, while clearly flawed, as valiant and admirable in his own way as our beloved antihero, Don.
As Roger was struggling with existentialism as to what his purpose in life was, he was effortlessly inventing cool one liners that would sweep people off their feet!!
Roger Sterling was my fav male character in this show. even with his faults (but in this era it was almost inevitable) he's a classy, funny, openminded and charming man
@Rosamund Powell But Betty DIDN'T decide. She didn't want to be a housewife but didn't really think she had other options. A willing housewife would maybe be Trudy Campbell.
I would love if the creators of Mad Men made a prequel to this show. Giving the fans a glimpse into the beginnings of Sterling & Cooper, showing the life of Bert rasing Sterling,lol!
uh Roger did sign Chevy. If anything Roger became more relevant by playing up to his strengths. There's a reason the phone is always ringing for him in season 7. He wasn't constantly falling to irrelevance, he had the LSD epiphany and that led him to becoming relevant because he realized that he was the 1938 yankees throwing the game away.
Roger comes from wealth(as his dad started the company) and was probably quite spoilt as a child. The irony is, he was in the war - and that would have surely perhaps changed his character some what. Maybe seeing so much death is what made Roger so carefree and wanting the lifestyle he had afterwards with the womanising, excess drinking and smoking.
One of these on Cooper would be fantastic. He's often neglected simply because he's old, but he's the self-made man of ultimate self control and reason rather than Don. A man of substance around people where image dominates. Because he doesn't indulge in trying to cling on to things inappropriately. It's interesting his influence is Japanese as much as American, whereas Roger can't stand the Japanese.
It always seem that Roger was always changing and moving forward, but only in appearance. What he actually does is going backwards or trying to keep things the same as when it was highlight for him. Meanwhile, Don looks like he doesn’t move forward or change. Same clothing style, hair style he looks no different than when were introduced to him. But there are some elements about him that keep him moving forward in the world. Roger sterling managed to some what in habit the era’s fashion and trends but resume to the old days.
alloverpuke Black face falls mainly under behavior. It was an (foul) act he was doing that requires costume make up. So that was an old behavior. He wasn’t living in black face. And mustache was a change with the times. He adopted fashion styles like the sideburns too. And he did change his suit styles. All in all his behaviors are backwards, aging man trying to relive youth regardless what his heart health can handle.
I love Roger. I always felt he had this effervescent quality about him, that he genuinely revelled in all the money and glamour. But he also realized that it couldn't buy his happiness, so the stresses of the company didn't get to him like other characters trying to claw their way up the ladder.
Roger is one of the characters that kept me watching when I first started Mad Men, and glad I did. I always looked forward to his smooth talk and hilarious one liners. Would have loved an episode that went a little into his past to show how he grew into his relationship with Cooper and established himself as a leader in the company.
I love Mad Men so much. Thanks for keep making these analysis. I'd love to see a video on Sally or Megan as some others have requested, please! Greetings from Mexico.
Yes, I love update from Prism! Although I never saw Mad Men. Wanna said that I love how your "narrator" voice, it's smooth and keep me attention about the context. At the same time, it's brings some sense of emotion when you relate about the characters, stories and more. Thank you!
I was so upset by what ended up happening with his daughter. I wasn’t surprised that it happened and it definitely is in large part due to his inadequacies as a father, but I still felt bad for everyone involved.
A great characterisation, there are still these guys out there in business and this is incredibly well drawn. John Slattery embodies Roger brilliantly.
As much as roger is an old entitled grandpa, he's incredibly clever and he's surprisingly adept at winning over clients and subduing conflicts at work, and reading people and situations ... when he has to, or cares.
Peggy skating around the abandoned office, while Roger looking like Colonel Sanders as he plays the organ... I don’t know why that scene made me misty-eyed when I watched it...
My grandad was a successful businessman around the time of Mad Men (but in London), and one of his older colleagues refused to work with the Japanese because of what they did to him and his friends in the war. Fascinating to see this reflected in the show.
I watched the first 6 seasons and never really got it - till now. These analyses have really opened my eyes to the depth & subtleties of the show. Unfortunately I’ve sold all the blu rays but in these lockdown-ravaged times, maybe I should spring for the box set and give it a second chance.
I disagree. This man was never in decline. He bounced back from anything and always kept his head held high. If this is considered decline then life is good!!
I also felt his drink with peggy and peggies subsequent entry into the office the next day with her sunglasses and cigarette in her mouth symbolize roger and the older generation handing over their relevance and spotlight to the younger one which in this case is peggy.
During this quarantine, I just rewatched Mad Men: it's even better the 2nd time. I absolutely love this show and I have realized that Roger is so damned sexy, lol...him and Jon...Goodness!! Lol
