Madara: you seem to taken some inspiration from me, I respect that greatly. Obito: lucky it ended in a draw today, but it takes one to know one I guess.
I think the reason Obito was so shocked/scared when Kabuto summoned Madara in front of him, is because he hadn't revealed his identity to Kabuto yet, and Kabuto had basically learned that Obito wasn't Madara by way of actually summoning Madara. He even goes as far as to say "Don't worry, I haven't told anyone yet." to ease Obito's nerves.
Yeah. Obito spent a long time covering his identity and BAM, some random guy figured it out and brought his boss right there. Who knows how much more info kabuto has
Kabuto is a genius. Like he’s beyond Kage level in terms of IQ. There’s maybe 10 ppl in the show we can say are smarter than him. Maybe. He just wasn’t strong and he had emotional baggage he couldn’t escape from.
Not to mention, Obito is the only one who _would_ know where Madara is. He likely hid Madara's body pretty well and was surprised someone found it. Turns out, Black Zetsu went "Fuck that" and then led Kabuto to Madara's corpse.
@@andrei3436 it took Kakashi, KCM2 Naruto, Might guy, & Minato together to just crack Obitos mask in the war arc. 😂 stop dude. 1v1 Naruto and Sasuke prior to getting the Sage if 6 paths amp cannot fuck with Obito. Minato beat him as a teenager. Only reason minato got him in the war is because the seal is permanently placed on the target from their first fight.
@@gameuniverse5973 I mean its not impossible but why would he take the risk when all he needs to do to avoid it is recruit and outwit a single player? Hes been in the game longer than Kabuto, he knew how to control him and in the end he didnt even need to since Itachi screwed Kabuto over before Obito even wanted it to happen
@@gameuniverse5973 Or Madara would just resist the Edo, Hashi was able to and Madara later showed he could rescind the contract. He would then obviously join up with Obito and thats gg for Kabuto and his Edos
That’s because Madara already knew Obito didn’t know the weakness to juubi form which was sage mode, so Madara was already step ahead. This is proven as Obito can’t believe the juubi form has such a weakness when he gets caught off guard by Naruto and Tobirama
Madara's confidence was due to Black Zetsu ambushing Obito like Madara got ambushed by Black Zetsu at the end, not due to anything Madara can do himself.
The fandom sleeps too much on Obito. Even if he doesn't have the same raw power as Madara, even if he loses, this fight would be insane as fuck. Even if Madara wins, he would probably lose some limbs or end up fatally injured for life. People tend to see Obito as this "brutish" dude when it comes to fight, based on his fight with Kakashi where Obito attacks in a aggressive "less-strategizing" way, when in truth, this man is one hell of a genius. Fuck, he manipulated an entire nation and organization from the shadows, for YEARS.
I always interpereted the Obito seeing Madara thing as Obito being worried because his cover was blown. He was still pretending to be Madara at that point, even to Kabuto.
I’ve been saying this for a while but Obito is by far the most talented human being ever in the show by a long way…. With both his natural ms he is already unbeatable to almost every character in the series.
Obito for sure is slept on he's so fucking broken. DMS Obito could take on threats such as Jigen as long as he uses Kamui effectively before Jigen figures It out. I dare say he could even take out Isshiki but that would be some major wank.
@@DistantMist And even base momoshiki is stated to be superior to Kaguya and base naruto with 50% chakra was able to keep up with a fused momoshiki, so realistically, DMS Obito would be kind of fodder in Boruto and gets slapped by like 15% chakra base adult Naruto let alone Jigen
Obito is both one of the coolest and most OP characters in Naruto. New manga centered around him would be epic. His voice, demeanor, fighting and storytelling capabilities would make him a prime candidate. He’s just too cold, easily my favorite character. Shippuden is literally driven by his actions alone. Every scene with his orange mask is absolute gold
Not gonna lie its good to see people finally respecting Obito. My boi is so under appreciated, i remember when alot of people thought Itachi and pain could beat him.
@@gdkm9832 I like Pain and Itachi as much as most people but the Itachitards are really a plague with takes like those lol. "Itachi can beat Obito or Madara", please, they need to stop. It is very refreshing to see Obito respect and appreciation in regards to his ability. I just wish they wouldn't slander his character or call him pedo. He has the best character and story in the series.
Juubito's inability to use Kamui feels even more like a plot nerf when you remember that Juubi Madara was able to use the other Kamui eye that he stole from Kakashi seconds ago just fine in order to chase Obito into the Kamui dimension. You can hand-wave it by saying that it was a "more complete six paths mode" but I really just think it's Madara privilege at that point, and feels inconsistent.
Clearly stated he cannot pass through objects. Not he cannot use kamui. It’s definitely an ass pull to nerf him but he can still teleport to the dimension like madara did but he can’t use it to phase through objects like he usually does.
I mean as I recall, Madara only used Kamui after he absorbed the God Tree so maybe (just a theory) the god tree gave him the ability to use kamui and pre god tree juubidara probably couldnt have used it
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ill put it this way, this is an obito with his one eye. Imagine if obito had both his eyes, he would have both defensive and offensive range one shot abilities. He would be unhittable and then can pop out of nowhere and kamui your head off. Not to mention with both eyes, his kamui would be faster so he would be even stronger, when both eyes together they become stronger and complement each other. He would also have susano, and we saw when he gave his chakra to kakashi, kakashi had one of the strongest susanos in the verse. Obito already has hashirama cells and uchiha blood so he would have sage of 6 paths amped susano on top of both kamuis. We saw how strong kakashi was with just temporary borrowed power and he isnt even uchiha and he has no prior experience using susano or obitos other eye. I dont know why obito never decided to get his other eye back from kakashi, he easily could have several times, he showed he could invade the leaf and get in contact with kakashi, he met kakashi several times, nothing was stopping him from snatching the eye at any part of the show. Maybe he thought he was already strong enough. And to be fair obtio never ended up losing, he only ended up "losing" once he became the jinjuriki and gave up basically due to talk no jutsu.
Nope, because the reason he had Hashirama cells is precisely because he loses one eye in battle. So he either has both eyes without the cells (in which case, he would've gone blind a long time ago), or he's in the status we know, in which case we can't take both eyes, Hashirama cells into consideration.
@@travis5732 did u read what i wrote at all? I said obito can take back his eye from kakashi at any point in the show very easily. He can pull up to kakashi and snatch his eye. Nothing anyone could do about it. When kakashi was passed out after killing rin, obito could also have taken the eye. He just willingly chose not to during the show.
@@thezedmain1603 Easier said than done, as strong as Obito is, Kakashi abilities could always fight him off and eventually would figure out Madara is Obito like in the show. It took SOSP Madara to pluck his eye out.
@@thezedmain1603 I understand your point, but in the video is stated that no prep time is allowed, and we're considering their base status, sort of speak. Also, the kamui is a super broken ability, he actually could've make the manga last 50 episodes, he could just go to each village and absorb all tailed beast by himself.
@@REDANDSILVER741 obito was Vasiliy stronger than kakashi at every point in the shoe i honestly don’t even think obito would need to use kamui to kill him n take his eye back if he wanted to
swag and his friends are like a bunch of archive historians. bury themselves in a pile of ancient texts all day, flipping pages after pages, pondering the same old questions year after year, yet always can find out something new once in a while and get us nerds all hyped up.
@@miguelcardenas8490 the “Final” villain nobody wanted who also somehow happened to be behind 99% of the entire conflict of the series… holy shit Seth is Black Zetsu
@@Yeboii_Pig well I mean he would’ve literately been crushed to death without it so yeah But I also don’t really get your point. He didn’t “need” them to fight, he needed it to be alive to begin with. He’s literally a ninja magic Frankenstein manipulated into destroying everything so that Madara could rebuild it anew in the infinite tsukoyomi. Your point is negligent
@@ASmartNameForMe no without hashirama cells Obito wouldn't have nearly as much chakra reserves or chakra control, wouldnt have wood style, couldn't spam kamui, no healing factor, no sage energy 😂😂😂😂 Obito is Iruka at best 💀💀💀
Let me tell you how nerfed Obito is: A 14 yo went up against arguably a top5 shinobi of all time, had his chance and almost sucked him up and admitted that he wasn’t taking it seriously while Minato was out for a kill Has one of the strongest genjutsu, barely ever uses it Drops his tools (chains and fan) for almost entirety of the show Almost never uses wood style Most importantly, has always had the ability to take his second Sharingan from Kakashi but never did, which also means he never got his Susanoo And lastly, when he turns into Juubito, he can no longer use Kamui but somehow Madara can Put aside that after everything Obito went through in the war arc he was reacting to Kaguya and was one of the main reasons they were able to win Obito is just constantly nerfed because he’s be unstoppable DMS Obito is the strongest character in the Narutoverse
Respect for giving Obito a break there. He is vastly underestimated due to madaras mystique...but if you put yourself back in time to before you knew his Identity you'd put your money on white mask Obito.
I mean nah, Madara is always thought of to be superior in this debate cause he kind of is. If I saw Madara and then Obito before his reveal I’d be absolutely convinced Madara wins
@@christianmorales8978nah. the biggest nerf ive ever seen in the naruto series, is not the extremely used joke where naruto is “nerfed” in boruto (same goes for sasuke), but juubito not being able to use kamui. why ? well.. he would’ve been the strongest person and that’s not where kishimoto wanted to get to
@@gameuniverse5973not likely. Wouldn’t make sense narratively for that version of Obito to beat Madara. Obito would just be REALLY annoying to take out, Madara can just use wood clones to mess with Obito and he wouldn’t have the AP or jutsu to take them all out which is why Rinnegan obito is a way better match and has a good chance of victory. He can use Shinra tensei or summon the Gedo statue to deal with the clones.
@@norbit6780 yeah, even if not madara can just outlasting obito stamina anyway. In terms of durability obito shown much better feats. also Since one way to deal with kamui is just make obito lose so much chakra that he can't use one kamui anymore. And madara is just a perfect for that. Because madara can fought hashirama for days Madara > Orange mask Shit get different when obito have dms
Don't forget Obito had zetsu on his other half so he was resisting zetsu and the rods. This man didn't allow the ten tails to break him nevermind Madara. Madara had his existence entirely devoured by his grandma and zetsu in a minute tops
Nah Madara was only using the chakra rods to try to control Obito he wasn’t using black zetsu at that point, that was later. Also, the fact that Obito was struggling to not have his body blow up cause of the ten tails while Madara easily controlled and stabilized it when he had just been revived and only had one rinnegan should tell you enough.
@@christianmorales8978facts and he was a much more perfect jinchuriki. And the only reason he got taken over was because he absorbed the the tree which was kaguya. Same thing as what happened when sasuke got taken over by orochimaru because he absorbed him.
I’m glad that y’all did a video about my favorite character in Naruto, Obito. Every time I tell anyone that my favorite character in Naruto is Obito they always say something like “What, why is he your favorite?”. And I just tell them that I like him because for the most part he stood by what he believed in and yeah, he wavered from time to time on his beliefs but he still tried to do what he had to do. And on top of that (in my opinion) every single time that Obito was on screen he had the best, coolest, and most bad ass scenes. Like almost every single one of his scenes(again in my opinion) was bad ass! From him being Tobi and trolling Kakashi and his team, him getting burned with Amaterasu and then all of a sudden it’s just gone and he has no damage, him declaring war on the ninja world, to him being the one giving Pain orders. Oh, and don’t let me forget him trolling Deidara, and also when Kisame was about to leave the Akatsuki but Kisame learned who Obito really was and decided to stay on that and that alone and then called Obito the true Mizukage. And speaking of Mizukage, Obito literally if I’m not mistaken started one of the most ruthless periods in the Hidden Mist. He used genjutsu on Yagura for years! Not days, weeks, or months but years and made Yagura one of the harshest Kage in Naruto with his genjutsu creating the Blood Mist. Obito did that lol. But that’s only some of the reasons why he’s my favorite character in Naruto.
@@josephrogers3666 nah, this isn’t “Free Time, but his cousin “Time Off”. But I’m glad you recognized the family resemblance people say our family genes are pretty strong. But by the way, if you think that this is long then I really feel sorry for you then lmao. Because man, this is not that long at all! Longer yes, but long no🤦🏾♂️. But and if you have a problem with this then I really and genuinely feel sorry for you. Reading is fundamental but some can’t read or as fast as others can but it’s ok. We all have our own problems and situations that we go through. But I won’t judge you for the learning deficiency or disability that you have in terms of reading. I think that it’s great that you felt confident enough about it and pointed it out and showed that you have a problem comprehending longer text than others do. It takes a real man of courage to let people know (especially people on the internet) that when it comes to reading that if it’s a longer format it’s hard for you to actually get behind it and understand it. Because if that’s not the case then I wonder what reason would a person have for replying to someone that they have no idea who it is? What would they have to gain from trying to make an offhanded joke on RU-vid?! What do you think, is it because that person was trying to be funny, is it because they wanted to point out that they have a hard time understanding longer formatted text, or that they just wanted some form of attention because they don’t get the attention that they actually need in real life so they come on to RU-vid where they can be Anonymous and don’t have to worry about any consequences of what they say? Hmm, I wonder🤷🏾♂️? What do you think it is bromosexual?! 😑👀😬
I think Obito reacting the way he did to Kabuto showing him Madara was more of his surprise that Kabuto figured it out. Remember at this point everyone still thinks Tobi is Madara, and even the Kage are convinced he is Madara. Kabuto pulls out Madara when Tobi asks what if he says no to Kabuto's proposed alliance, as a "back-up plan". This insinuates that Kabuto either A) believes that an edo-tensei Madara could in-fact beat Tobi/Obito or B) determines even if the reanimated Madara could not beat Tobi, it would confirm that Tobi is not Madara to the world. Kabuto even goes as far to ensure him that he hasn't told anyone that Tobi is NOT Madara. Tobito also lays a condition for the alliance that Kabuto can't have Sauske until after the war, if he was truly afraid of Madara would he really lay down a condition that hinders Kabuto's main motivation to allying with Tobi? In the scene he's genuinely angry with Kabuto for this and is even seen looking back at the coffin when Kabuto recalls the jutsu to make sure it closes. Later when Naruto confronts Tobi after Madara is reanimated, he seems more annoyed and frustrated with that knowledge than fearful and worried. I think you guys are right that he was more concerned with Madara becoming 10-tails jinshuriki than actually being afraid of Madara's battle power.
Karma is so much more busted its not even funny. A genin with Kamui is like a jonin lvl but with Karma you can instantly drop most of the war arc alone.
To be honest kamui is so broken it doesn’t even make sense I don’t know what kishimoto was thinking. Your pretty much immune to 99% of things in the verse with it and the only counters to it we have seen so far are another kamui , six paths, and flying raijin and even then they could barely stop him it.
Exactly. People very much underestimate Obito. Two of his biggest fights in the show are against two people who were apart of his old squad team and had the ONLY known two counters to his Kamui ability, and that is another Kamui, and instant teleportation. And the part with Obito being “shocked” by reanimated Madara in my honest opinion was more of jab from Kabuto letting him know he knows his true identity is not Madara at all and less about Obito not being confident to hold his own. Then again it’s basic logic that Obito can’t handle Madara, Itachi and other reanimated members, PLUS Kabuto himself. Kishimoto ruined Obitos scaling allowing Madara to keep some abilities but had to nerf Obito once he became a juubi cause he wouldn’t of lost and most know that’s true. And if we’re talking hypotheticals, Obito simply having that second Sharingan would’ve been very dangerous for every character in the series. This should be more about putting more respect on Obito than trying to degrade how powerful Madara is.
Rinnegan Obito was taking on kcm two Naruto,guy, Kakashi,and killer bee by the way like how people say Obito saying that one Rinnegan is draining as a anti feat when he never runs out of chakra in the entire war arc with it and fights several battles
@@gameuniverse5973 people just say that because Obito rarely uses the Rinnegan that much which I agree with but acting he can’t use most abilities of it is ridiculous. Most of them wouldn’t have even been a massive factor in changing anything but he most likely could give off an almighty push if needed.
Bruh juubito was not nerf. The ten tails was inside him that is why he could not used kamui. Remember kamui send part of himself to a different dimension. Not anything else. Kakashi was also still in the dimension. And if you wanna say madara used it. Madara use kakashi eye the long distance kamui. Which he has to make a big enough hole to fit his body into it without severing his limbs.
Think of the story in this way - Obito wasn't nerfed. Instead Obito's character was created to show utter depression that can happen to someone. Kishimoto decided his fate to be sooooo bad that he never got "Hokage Funeral" theme song played for him in the background. The fact it got played for Madara when he died but not even once for Obito ...when in reality Obito's desire to become Hokage was greater than Madara. (Infact Madara never even wanted to become a hokage) Moreover Obito's theme song Niji by Shinku Horou is not that famous ....it was deliberately put as the ending song cuz you know endings songs are skipped more than openings in general. I mean to say Obito's character was purely made for two things. One - Utter loneliness and disparity. That no one will remember him and he will be forgotten. Two - Respect (thay he gained in eyes of Naruto in the end) Fun fact : Obito literally translates to "A respectable person"
One thing I might not have heard being mentioned or wasn't mentioned at all is the fact that a Sharingan user can see the chakra building up in the eye to use ocular abilities. This would in turn allow Madara to see when Obito is going to use Kamui, and can very easily use this to apply pressure to Obito. I just wanted to add more information to the debate.
That's why Kakashi could see it the whole time behind his mask and didn't have to figure out by attacking him during the war arc right? Makes little difference even if that was true if Madara had anything capable of pure concentrated destruction for 5 minutes. Chibaku tensei/meteorites wouldn't be close to enough and I doubt a big ol forest would do it either.
It’s head cannon but like madara being one of the smartest shinobi ever and his insane arsenal including stuff like limbo and rinnegan hax , I’m certain he would find a way to bypass kamui.
He trained him so he should know all about kamui. He’d just let a wood clone get taken into the dimension and kill him. Same thing Naruto and gang did when they learned about the ability. I thought this would be obvious for swag…
@Kid_mystic They literally talk about that in the video and say that madara with his rinnegan would be pretty effective lol. You also don't need to be very smart, konan figured it out just fine. It's not as simple as it's made out to be to cancel it out either, the author of it all doesn't even seem to understand how it works from time to time.
@Adam Galt he trained with him and that meant what? Obito used kamui against Madara while he had the rinnegan still and he said "so this is the power of your mangekyo" when he reached right through him. The version of madara you're talking about wouldn't even need to use a wood clone because the rinnegan is OP and they even said that in the video lol. Did you finish either the show or video like damn lmao
I think Edo Madara has an interesting advantage that wasn't discussed here: specifically, he won't run out of stamina, so he actually can just attack constantly until Obito fucks up. Also, even if he's sucked into Kamui, he won't die. If he never dies in Kamui, Obito can never use Kamui safely for the rest of his life without risking Madara attacking the part that's in there or attacking Obito if he ever enters the Kamui dimension. Does Obito have sealing jutsu to put down an Edo Tensei without Kamui? No idea. But I know that Kamui isn't quite a win there.
@@Legend-rg4iu No it's not? Thats the power he obtained through "Not hard work" but by the same logic, Obito's half of body was gifted to him BY MADARA. Same goes for Obito's rinnegan, other sharingan, Gunbai etc. So no, if we take away Edo's immortality, we also take away Obito's rinnegan.
You talked about how Kishimoto would write it and honestly I feel like whatever Madara's Mangekyo ability is would have him win. That's how I think it would be written.
Since the material given to us in the games are canon, then in Ultimate Ninja Storm Revolution we cna see Madara using his Mangekyou ability. His ability is he can reverse time without anyone knowing.
@@marmur2909 ... Huh? How does someone with Madara's stats lose to anyone, even Hashirama, with a broken ability like that? It doesn't seem possible or consistent with the story as it's been presented. Late comment, I know, but this just seems like they chose an arbitrary ability without thinking the implications through.
I could see a scenario where edo Madara uses his 25 wood clones to try to run out the 5 minute timer on kamui by constantly attacking Obito from all angles. It just goes to show how busted Kamui is when even someone like Madara could have trouble with it.
I think it literally has to be 5 minutes straight though, without even a fraction of a second's pause. Which is why Konan went so over the top with her method, as it's probably the only way to actually counter the 5 minute thingy.
@@Dante... I mean, Obito can get away by just phasing into the ground. He couldn't do that with Konan because he was free-falling, but against Madara, he can just enter the ground and leave somewhere else.
Imagine Obito learning and using the shadow clone even only 3 and then using kamui.., full on potential Obito is the strongest Uchiha there ever was, and then give Him his other eye.., that's Just overkill
@@gameuniverse5973 he can literally use woodclones. Kishimoto is just a shitty writer because he made obito the strongest even stronger than madara but nerfed him
I like to think of Obito as that guy who just uses one move and is to lazy to use any of the other moves he has in his arsenal. The guy had all of pains abilities yet never used them, his woodstyle is incredible underrate(He killed like half the shinobi force with just woodstyle) and his fire style is in par with Madaras.
Not in character , his entire character is made from his abilities and his stamina being gifted to him , or him stealing them later on . A weak character development from my perspective , Madara is written way , way better .
One thing I'd like to point out that happened, at least as far as the anime goes: when Obito took the tailed beast chakra from OR6P Madara, he was attacked at close range and could still out speed him with intangibility. Even Madara was perplexed by it. It was only that teleportation takes a bit longer than intangibility, hence Madara was able to react to that in time. I'm not aware if this is canon to the manga
Been very happy and pleased with Swags recent uploads. Not to mention the fact that we just got a video not to long ago, and here’s another one. I have a feeling 2023 is going to be a good year for Swag’s channel.
Yo Swagkage, I gotta say this on your channel. My respect for you has MULTIPLIED after I saw you putting SethTheProgrammer on blast for his suspect behavior on Keemstar's podcast. I had a feeling something was going on behind the scenes when you, Clyde, & Seth stopped collabing on content but I didn't want to assume. I'm very grateful that Clyde has a friend like you that would speak on his behalf and wouldn't let Seth get away with his lies & manipulation.
Obito and Madara were always put on a same level in the War Arc before either one became a Jinchurkii so I'm suprised this topic wasn't discussed earlier already
That couldn’t be farther from the truth. Madara took out a clone of naruto in tailed beast mode with just his gunbai and also put pressure on B and Guy to the point of exhaustion. Obito wasn’t able to do that.
Madara and Obito were not on the same lvl at all. Madara singlehandedly stopped Naruto's momentum, mowed down an entire division without breaking a sweat, and made sport of the Gokage. Pre-Juubi Obito doesn't have any feats that put him in the same sentence as Madara.
The air pollen likely won't work on Obito. He has Hashirama's cells, which would likely make him resistant. Ohnoki resisted simply on willpower, and Obito is THE most stamina-dense person in the series Plus, Obito would just Kamui the poison pollen away or burn it with fire style. The reason limbo works for nearly all Obitos is because they are crazy fast and operate in another dimension. In fact, it's possible that limbo hits even if Obito is intangible since their dimension is separate from the main or Kamui dimension
@@Malthizar that Limbo clone didn't speed blitzed the Bijuus, they simply can't see and sense Limbo clone so they can be punched easily also Limbo clones is the same as original Madara which is not that far faster than Obito (white mask with Rinnegan)
Rewatch what happened. At that time, there was only 1 Limbo clone yet all 7 were knocked off their feet. That literally can't happen unless it was moving fast enough to pretty hit them at virtually the same time. Not even going to comment on you low-balling Madara's speed
W Swag bro. I never woulda thought that watching SethTheProgrammer was literally just Clyde, Swag, and plenty of others. He had no originality whatsoever apparently. Props to you Swag for carrying a second channel on your back, knowing the douchebag that ran it.
I think it be cool if you'd made more videos discussing certain characters that seem a bit more obscure within the series and community, like Hiruzen in his prime or Sakumo Hatake (Kakashi's father)
@@captnbluehat I just think it'd be a bit interesting considering he did a video talking about Shisui Uchiha, so other characters may not have the significance he particularly had in the story, but again I still think it'd be interesting trying to evaluate their strength when talking about them
@@captnbluehat but that's what makes them kinda interesting don't you think? What other character who isn't that prominent in the story directly stated to be comparable to the sannin, and Prime Hiruzen wouldn't entirely be speculation because we have information that is very minimal yes, but I still think it be interesting talking about what his actual strength could be, because there some people who believe Prime Hiruzen was just God and he could slap Hashirama and Madara around, and some people who believe he was strong enough to be above various Hokage, even thinking he could be the second strongest Kage in history right below Hashirama
There's also the fact that even when he loses the Rinnegan he still most likely possessed Six Paths chakra so even if he could no longer see them he should still be able to sense them the same way Naruto did.
I think a fun video idea is creating a “perfect” Shinobi based off of attributes that different ninja have. Kind of like an amalgam ninja. Chakra pool/chakra nature(s)/keikei genkai/unique jutsu/speed/IQ/maybe a sage mode? Idk if it’s a reasonable video or not but I think it’d be cool to watch build-a-bear-ninja
I think it's possible that Madara could figure out that Kamui has a time limit, and since Madara has IMMENSE chakra reserves he could put out a sustained assault for 5 minutes and force Obito to run the clock on his kamui and then kill him.
madara is my favorite character. but i was literally thinking last night that double ms obito is like so damn strong, he doesn't lose at all if he kept his eye.
dms Obitito is way too underrated. I think since he had six paths chakra from the ten tails within himself he would have the potential to awaken his own dual set of rinnegans.
What’s crazy is that Madara’s power was highly in part due to Rinnegan’s while Obito’s Mangekyo’s which never turned to Rinnegan’s were on par if not way stronger than Madara’s Rinnegan abilities were.
Madara’s power was not due to the rinnegan, he was just that strong. He was a warrior from a different era who was molded into having immense strength, skill, and precision by constant combat and war. Madara was insanely strong that’s why he was the second person to ever unlock the rinnegan, it’s not the other way around. Madara with both rinnegan was able to end the world within 24 hours of being revived while Obito with his kamui had to spend two decades assembling the Akatsuki and struggled to capture the tailed beasts. Obito couldn’t handle controlling 7 tailed beasts and defeating Naruto while Madara KILLED Naruto and bitched all 9 tailed beasts at once. There’s a huge difference in power between Madara’s rinnegan and Obito’s kamui and in their individual strength as well. It’s not even close.
@@abaileyjr97 Several months late, but why wouldn't Obito just be able to counter with Kamui? Madara's clones shouldn't be able to touch any more than he himself can.
Hilarious that 10Madara could use Kakashi's eye to go into Kamui but Obito couldn't. Goes to show how busted they all got towards the end; however, I do believe that lesser versions of Madara could just spam wood style long enough to run out the Kamui timer.
Even the Otsutsuki and Sasuke's space time techniques are inferior to Kamui, since they can't make the user intangible and require creating a portal directly in front of them in order to teleport, while Kamui just automatically sucks Obito or his target into Kamui's dimension without all the extra steps the others need. The only one I'd say is on the same level is Kaguya's which allows her to switch between dimensions instantly, and while she is shown needing to create portals to move between different parts in the same dimension she is able to create small ones that she can simply reach through to pull others through.
😂😂😂 the timer is limitless he can restart the time limit any time…😅 madara is not faster then Naruto and guy they were spamming attacks on Obito and only reason they had a chance is because kakashi had the actual counter to kamui … madara would not have that luxury try again
This video really puts it into perspective how insanely broken Kamui is. It's teleportation, one shot, and intangibility all in one and it's extremely spammable as well. Obito literally only had half the jutsu and it single handedly made him more powerful than Madara.
I’m sorry you’re having to go through what you’re going through with Seth. I’m 100% on your side dude. You showed me a great friendship and duel mate . Seth has always let off a sketchy side to me. Hope you and Lissa are well always.
I think that when an eye is transplanted, the body rejects it if it isn't in a pair. E.g. kakashi got worn out easily from using 1 sharingan despite presumably having a better chakra supply than most average Uchiha that could use the sharingan. Another example being if I remember correctly Obito struggled with his 1 rinnegan and it wore him out quicker too. When he had his dms, it's like there's just an added multiplier when you have a pair
How can you say that Minato "beat up" orange mask Obito. He smashed him in the spine with a rasengan and Obito just got back up like nothing happened 😂😂😂
I think the reason Obito lost composure when Kabuto summoned Madara is alot more simple. I think he was just genuinely surprised Kabuto was able to locate Madara's body and resurrect him. I really think that's all there is to it and wouldn't try to read much more into it.
@@dragonsmoke16418 funny because he told that to Obito, and even though he always had a backup plan, Madara wasn’t kidding. Between being too late to save rin, being defeated by minato, losing the most village, being betrayed by Nagato, losing the chance to capture various Kage, having Kabuto show up with madara, being betrayed by sasuke, having madara get revived and ultimately being talk no jutsud, fucking NOTHING went as planned
I know Madara is a massive fan favorite, but I feel like it would've made sense for Madara to be the fake-out villain and for Tobi to be the final boss
Obito has absolutely insane durability, evasiveness, (i.e. intangibility)/kamuii, determination, and just pure grit. He should have died at least half a dozen times and kept pushing, even when he got halfway crushed by the boulder he stayed conscious and oriented so much better than others would have. Plain and simple if he had both his sharingan he'd be borderline unstoppable, they had to plot that away from him. He, in my opinion, is the hardest to take out character (non-six paths) in all of Shippuden. And he's probably my favorite character if not at least in my top 3 favorites, and a lot of it is because of his raw toughness to keep going despite having one arm, and a giant hole in his chest for god's sake lol
Dont forget the Izanagi he could use thanks to his few dozen spare Sharingan from the coup. Combine that with Kamui and its overkill. He could basically just use Izanagi, kamui to his hideout, get a new eye and come back in a matter of minutes. The guy has like 50 revives xD
@@deathstalkerx4415 Uchiha flame formation would unironically kill most chars it send full eight tails bee flying it might just murder most of the Akatsuki
A impressive feet that sort of puts him in the Madara ball park range is the fact that he made a fire style Justu on par with his, which required a whole platoon of water ninja to counter it. Also Obito could of combined it with Kamui to make it even larger. People think he combined it with Kmaui and thaywhy it was so big, but in the panel we never see the trade mark Kamui swirl pattern.
@@deathstalkerx4415 dawg I wasn't even thinking about that! Damn, he's a lot crazier than what I said originally. He's just broken. It's honestly kinda bullshit that Minato beat him at one point, but he was literally like 14 years old and could fight competitively with Minato. Minato was killing whole platoons by himself and this kid gave him some trouble. Obito deserves so much respect and acknowledgement.
I get Swag & Six paint Obito as unstoppable but he really isn't. Minato was smart enough and fast enough to tag him and make him irrelevant to the conversation Itachi literally tagged him from beyond the grave, and would have killed him right then and there if Obito wasn't hiding a sharingan. The same goes for Konan. Kabuto made him look like a fool to the point that Obito demanded he know Edo Tensei's weakness (that alone suggests he was afraid of Madara) Kakashi proved he was smarter than Obito and Madara read him like a book, even accounting for Obito potentially betraying him Dual Mangekyo Obito would have been very dangerous, but Minato, Itachi, and Kakashi would have still come up with counters. Konan would have got her shit kicked in though and much of the series would have been less interesting
@@HiemalUncia no he just has it for the reaper death seal I’m talking about sealing jutsu in general and how it works cause I feel like I’ve never heard it explained and it’s so strong
I always interpreted Obito’s reaction to Kabuto summoning Madara as more of a shocker cause he didn’t think anyone would bring him back at all, and that now he has been reanimated the allied forces would find out he wasn’t the real Madara. He was relying on guerilla warfare tactics and if the allied forces found out right away that he wasn’t the real Madara it would be a huge morale boost to the allied forces. It wasn’t till Kabuto had still referred to Tobi as Madara that Obito calmed down
Obito really was the god honestly. He still had his feelings from a kid. Which is why he ask & talked the way he did. He wanted to be shown the path he lived when he was younger.
If madara had a bunch of wood clones obito could stop using kamui in between attacks or even go underground and reappear somewhere else, his 5 min time limit resets the moment he stops phasing that’s why konans trap worked so well, he was falling so he couldn’t physically run from the area, he couldn’t teleport without the bombs going with him and the attack lasted for more than 5 minutes. Madara would not only need to attack obito for 5 minutes but he would have to also somehow keep obito from teleporting, or physically moving from the area while attacking him non stop
@@defaultyanny861 it shouldnt lol kamui is just super tricky bro. Think about it once he sees the meteor he could either enter kamui, teleport away, or honestly he could just walk/run out of the distance and avoid both the clones and the meteors
Great video! I always love to speculate a bout between the two coolest Uchihas. I also agree that they would most likely stall eachother out in most cases except SO6P Madara vs most forms of Obito besides DMS. It may be a hot take, but I think a DMS Obito with Six Paths chakra actually has a pretty good chance vs SO6P Madara. Also question in regards to limbo for Swag and Six, would Obito with Rinnegan be able to see Limbo or does it need to be a Six Paths enhanced Rinnegan? If you think he is able to see it, he would just be able to Kamui through them I would think. Would he hypothetically be able to just warp them off the battlefield?
@@gameuniverse5973 I'm leaning towards him being able to see it as well, I'm only reluctant because Limbo seemed to be exclusive to Madara and Naruto and Sasuke were only aware of their presence due to Six Paths and Six Paths RInnegan respectively. But since we are in agreement that he would be able to see it, I think it removes one of Madaras only win cons.
@@NidokingOtsutsuki I don't think anyone argues Madara with Rinnegan loses to pre war Obito. Obito with Rinnegan removes the only win con which is limbo.
@@regularr8333 Even if Obito can see the Limbo clones he can't affect then without Rikudou chakra, you could argue that he could kamui them away sure but that doesn't stop Madara from just resummoning them & if it's a matter of who can spam more before running out of chakra that's def going in Madaras favor. Also Madara has multiple other win cons against Kamui such as Izanami, Deep Forest Emergence, or just pressuring Obito into creating an opening like Guy did.
I was kinda hoping y’all would talk more about how Obito’s stats compare to Madara rather than just how their hax stacks against each other. Isn’t there something that implies that when Óbito and Madara were working together (white mask broken and edo) that they were comparable?
Well the time they do spend allied to eachother is difficult to compare since they use the 10 tails for 80% of it, but they have equally massive fire jutsu, have insanely tough durability, have pretty much perfected their sharingans. The only thing that seems in huge difference between the two is chakra, Madara has damn near endless chakra reserves whereas Obitos implied to have very little being unable to handle +1 rinnegans or cast even a quarter of madaras wood jutsu without the help of the 10 tails or zetsu cloak. Aside from that however they both seem pretty even stat wise with the exception that Madara has 2 MS and a susanoo
@@ASmartNameForMe Obito's reserves wouldn't be small because of the rinnegan tho,it just shows how much chakra it takes to handle 1.And Madara was the original owner of the rinnegan,so it was easier for him to do it
@@ASmartNameForMe That Rinnegan part is apples and oranges, Obito was not the original owner of the Rinnegan and I doubt that he wanted to not use his own MS anyway considering that Kamui>>>Rinnegan
Video request: I'd love to see some analysis (or a versus battle) for Kisame, mostly because I feel like the show does him *really* dirty causing people to sleep on him somewhat. As far as I know, he only has 3 relevant fights: - his 30% clone fights team Guy, forcing Guy into using 6 gates. The reason this is unfair is that Guy's pure taijutsu is one of the hardest possible counters to Kisame's chakra absorbtion style of fighting. - He fights Bee, who at this point is one of the strongest active people in the series, and seems to be absolutely demolishing him until his weapon betrays him and starts helping the enemy. - His final fight is against Guy again, facing his hard-counter once more, this time without Samehada at all, and he now forces out the 7th gate before going down while he still manages to pass on his intel which was his main objective in this fight. I could be wrong about the fights, it's been a while since I watched the show. I just remember thinking that Kisame got done dirty and should be way stronger than he was shown to be in those fights. In any case, love the videos. Keep up the good work
1. His 30% clone didn't really force Guy to open the 6th gate because he was strong he forced him to open the 6th gate because Guy's Students were in trouble and he needed to end the fight quickly 2. "The reason this is unfair is that" is what you said about Kisame's fight with Guy the same applies for Bee he is facing his direct counter Bee in fact blitzed and one shot Kisame the only reason he survived was due to absorbing Bee's Chakra 3. Guy only used the 7th gate because this Kisame was amped by Killer B's Chakra
@@SRVaris Kisame didn't got one shoted by Bee. He fused with Samehada and swapped place with White Zetsu so Zetsu would take the double lariat and Kisame could infiltrate the Cloud Village. Even the Samehada betrayal was an act, at first. But then Samehada started enjoying too much Bee's chakra and actually betrayed Kisame.
Man dms Obito claps anybody in naruto just think about it he was reacting amd out speeding Kaguya and obito was on his death bed at this point imagine a healthy dms obito non fatigue dms obito is unstoppable
