00:00 Madeline Soto Case Backgrounder 04:50 Stephan Sterns' Telegram App Usage 17:59 Expert Analysis Catch up on the #MadelineSoto case here: www.courttv.com/news/chief-of-police-detectives-working-tirelessly-in-madeline-soto-case/?
Telegram is a garabage app that promotes criminal activity. What Gray Is talking about called the Nth chatrooms. This happened in South Korea. All the information about that case is available for research. The perps were making the victims do horroble things for subscribers. I am not going to talk about it here, research it for ypurself. I think the worst thing is that over 234k were subscribed. I was saying this on FB there is no way he just kept all those images for himself... Stay safe everyone, please...
So Gray can talk about the Nth chatrooms and we can't comment? It is imperative that the two are connected. That Stephan was busy on the telegram app. It puts two amd two together. You shouldn't restrict ppl's right to be informed. 🙏🙏💗💗
This country the way thecpeople in charge are running it are looking to normalize pedophilia ......I dont know how anyone can support this ......biden himself said and I quote ....they are not just your children they are everybodys unquote !!!!
As someone who has been in the cell phone industry for 22 years, you CANNOT accidentally factory reset your phone. There are multiple steps to complete this.
cellphone industry or not it’s commons sense really we know it takes some clicking double clicking etc and swiping to reset and premission from the device
The "mother" knew. She's known for years. I don't care if she was scared, or even a victim herself. She had a duty to protect that child and she didn't. She is 100% complicit and should rot in jail too
She looked and acted so dense in the interview. And the breaking their normal pattern with him taking her to school instead of her and the timeline implicates the mother. 😮
Why does no one else find it incredibly bizarre that they threw a birthday party for her on a day her mom had to work? Like I cannot fathom anyone throwing a party for me as a child on a day my MOTHER wouldn’t be able to attend…
@Cmoreau27 said this from the beginning.. ESPECIALLY that they weren’t even celebrating ON her actual birthday..( not uncommon) WHY choose a day that mom “cannot “ be there..
@SherylLovesAmerica some people who barely start jobs, like Jenn, do not want to take any days off after having just started a new job. You can, after hiring though, request that one day off in advance on the day you are hired. I would think they would oblige to the request without question! I have done that before for my baby sisters 1st bday party!
Her mother might of not have known it’s ridiculous to accuse her without knowing the facts there are children who are abused by there own biological fathers who are married to biological mothers & the mothers don’t know or had no idea men like him are good at what they do
@jennifersantos7307 she knew she was lying about her daughter abiding that sick man. His friend said he stayed woth Jenn because he liked doing crazy sexual stuff and most women didn't want to do , but Jenn went along with it, and an ex girlfriend claims he wanted her to wear pigtails and act like a child during sex and call him daddy during performance. So stop excusing her ! That's what she did for this man.
@jennifersantos7307 The mother lied in the televised interview about seeing her get dressed at 8 am. when she was dead laying out in his car. They have a video of him throwing her backpack and her school tablet away at 7:15. She also said we took her to school and she lied about that. She knew she absolutely knew. You might want to listen and read the facts...
I was taken to.yearly exams and my doctors never knew. They usually don't do those types.of exams that young. I believe the mom knew though but can say it's possible not to know I can for 💯 say my mom did not know til I opened up and spoke
There would have been abnormalities in her underclothes that any mother could have spotted and any doctor could have noticed had she been properly cared for. In fact, pediatricians are trained to check quickly babies once over and possibly even children to make sure there is nothing wrong down there in the case of child abuse. It's totally a thing!
No, I don't think he has a public defender. This man lived in a gated community, and has made tons of money selling kiddie porn. They have said all along that he Lawyered up. He didn't request a P.D. he hired or already had his own lawyer.
I’ll be shocked if there is a trial. The incriminating evidence is so stacked I don’t see how he could plead anything but guilty, especially on the current charges.
@@PJTYLERGated communities are not uncommon in central FL, I live nearby and can tell you that community is nothing special. There's a lot of vacation rentals in there for tourists. Jenn's family owns that property, probably was a vacation home investment. Again not uncommon or very expensive. If you look across the street from that community, there's one of the nastiest ghetto run down neighborhoods in Kissimmee. His family on the other hand do seem to be pretty well off. The last I heard is he does have a public defender.
I had a feeling it was too much of a coincidence being her 13th birthday. Look into the case that just happened in South Korea. There's a bunch of men that compete with the abuse. It was called 'the Drs room'
I can’t understand why they had her birthday party while mom was at work. I’ve raised three kids on my own and I have always been the one to plan and “host” their parties, even when the parties were at Grandmas house.
The party could have been done the weekend before or after Madeleine’s birthday. It was her 13th birthday,which is a big deal. Also, the party was at the grandmother’s home. That means Stephan took Madeline home after the party. Madeline was alone with him for the rest of the evening and night. Jenn is sick! Letting her daughter get abused. There is no way she didn’t know.
As soon as I heard the word Telegram I knew what it was. This sicko was sharing all the images of poor Madeline/ or whoever else. Madeline’s mom absolutely had something to do with it. Justice for Madeline❤
That’s one thing I’ll never understand…how does a mother miss her child’s birthday party? Especially her 13th birthday? If she had to work, why not schedule it for a different day or ask for the day/time off. It makes no sense.
Yep. Exactly what I said in a previous comment. I’m a single mom and I work full time so I completely understand the challenges that come with that…however, there is NOTHING that would keep me from my daughters 13th bday party. Absolutely nothing!!!
It's not easy to get time off for such occasions for your children. But for their funeral. Some of these companies are heartless. I'm not making excuses for excuses for her mother. Just my experience. This is heartbreaking.
WHY did the mother report the girl missing at 8 PM that night rather than right after she was not there at school ???!!!!!! Mother is guilty with her conflicting stories and body language in her interviews. She had to have KNOWN her daughter was being abused by this creep.
Perhaps, but I doubt this. This has been going on too long for a caring mother not to DO something over the years. There could be pedophiles in her immediate family she grew up in. It's all just a sad and very sick case. @@julieboice180
That's not what has been reported. Where did you get this ???? A missing child could be killed within 24 hours, and they often are. And she WAS.@@birdie9240
That what I said how her dame grandma and aunties or what ever evil family didn't noticed if hope they burned in hell same as her mother who was infatuated bro this man oh God her own dad let her alone without his support and spend time with her may be she will teld him Dad I need you my mom and her lover are doing nasty things to me but she never did cuz never had a real dad. Shame on this man never will be bless cuz he forgot his daughter well being now is up to God she can have justice this little girl
She saw her getting dressed at 8am (which we know is a lie based on evidence) but never spoke to her that morning??? That’s the worst attempt at a lie I’ve ever heard.
In the mother’s interviews she didn’t say she saw her daughter in the morning. She said she didn’t see her but she heard voices in the kitchen and assumed one of the voices was hers.
There seems to be no depth to Sterns' depravity. That poor kid. Florida is waiting for all the facts from autopsy and toxicology and trying to get a case built before charges will be filed. He ain't going nowhere.
Yes, it is so important that they get every detail right for a charge like that to make a case stick legally. Fortunately, he's not going anywhere. The justice system has time on its side.
Yes sick guy. An ex gf was interviewed on a video n she said in intimacy that he was very tough n it hurt her a mom of 3. She says she feels soo sorry for maddie such a young girl go thru this n ontop of it tough aggressive… Sweet Maddie I wish you n all other abused kids would never have to go thru these horrible things.. Prayers for family n friends who actually loved her…🙏🙌🙏
They need to take their time and make it a slam dunk case. The charges he has now is enough to keep him in jail forever. They want to get justice for Madeleine at this point and they will.
When cops investigate on stuff like this they want to make sure they have the hook, line and sinker. They don’t want him to be able to get out of any of the charges they bring
They tormented this child! Her Mother is a poor excuse for a Loving mother! Why the heck was he crying and she petting him like a cat? Were they both responsible for her death? Who assaulted the child? Who gave Madeline the blows to her head and took her breath out of her body? Did Madeline finally fight back? Was Mom aware of the entire situation? Why are these two covering for each other? What kind of twisted life was Madeline forced to live? I have no pity for either of them!
We don’t even know how she died & stop blaming her mother we don’t know if she knew how about wait for the facts before u speculate everyone attacking her mother when we don’t know what her mother knew it seems like her mother didn’t know anything
How in the hell do you look a child in the face during the daytime and know that you are abusing her in private … I would literally be sick to my stomach if I were Madeline all the time.
She didn’t lie she literally corrects herself in the same interview I say we also when it comes to my child I always say we including my husband it’s just something I do he does it as well even if he isn’t involved in whatever we are talking about I always say we she could have been nervous in shock still like she had just found out her daughter was missing a few hours beforehand y’all are so vicious & so quick to blame her mother you don’t even know the facts yet you don’t know anything stop blaming her mom for something this man did
@@jennifersantos7307She lied to LE, she said she saw Maddie in the morning getting dressed for school. Innocent mother who scared to death because her child is missing ha
I know someone who has bipolar depression and they medicate them self too much to where they sleep as much as they can . Maby Maddie’s mom wasn’t involved as much as she should have been. She was dealing with depression and terrible thoughts. She probably took things to help her knock out and sleep that’s why she wakes up tired because she’s groggy from medication. And that man took advantage of both of them. He knew exactly what he was doing. I pray for maximum justice.
I think the same thing. I think her mental health is a huge factor in this case. She reminds me of Helga Pataki's mom in the show Hey! Arnold. Always under the influence, never really there.
From watching a lot of predator hunter videos and seeing more than enough horrible crime stories involving children, it seems Telegram is a predators playground.
@@moonpixyart4562 They should ban all encrypted and easy delete apps cause all they really do is protect creeps like these from being held accountable.
I read that her mom is refusing to cooperate with the investigators. There's no way the mom didn't know, she's his accomplice and deserves the same fate.
The police are mum about Jenny because I think they are skinning her. She has made things difficult probably by lawyering up. The police will make the big reveal after they have her confession. And knowing that criminals don't spill the beans easily, we have a long wait probably.
Not surprised he was using Telegram. Here in Italy there are hundreds of groups sharing all kinds of disgusting stuff, but as soon as one gets taken down a new one is born😥
Mrta.etc..sue .millions.and close down..these sites..dark web.etc..filthy money being made..bill gates..who r u.and others as urself...how can u sleep..😢😢😢😢
Yeah, Grey attacked me in a very disturbing way simply because I thought his first guest of a friend of Stephan admitting he knew 10+ years ago that Stephan had child p on his computer and never reported it because they were paid off, was despicable.
This isn't normal?! It seems more than clear to me that Sterns has everything to do with sweet Madeline being murdered... did he agree with her mother to lie to everyone?! I don't know, but something isn't right here, and I hope with all my heart this gets resolved quickly so Madeline can rest in peace.
Her mother was either active and involved, or at the very least either aware and complicit of what was going on and what happened to her and you can’t convince me otherwise. I hope she gets charged too.
I think they are trying to give her enough room to screw herself. Also, I think she’s in a mental hospital right now. She did that so she wouldn’t be questioned any further, and the police can’t arrest her while she’s there
Right! I'm so sick of people being like, "I'm still on the fence. She could have been in shock & just repeating what Stephan told her." So, Stephan told her she was there and then she wasn't-? He told her she saw her the night before, then oops nvm, she saw her that morning before school-? He told her she called to report Maddie missing at 4:45 PM when she actually called around 8 PM-? He told her to make sh*t up and she just did-? And don't get me started on the whole "she might be afraid of him" BS. She was SURROUNDED by LE after Maddie was reported missing. At no time did she tell them SHE was in danger or scared. I don't care how terrified I am, NO ONE can force me to repeat lies about the disappearance &/or m*rder of my ONLY child. I'll scream the truth from the rooftops & then you can take me out bc my life would be over at that point. No way in he11 I'd go down protecting the man who SA'ed and ki11ed my only child. She lied. She wasn't scared. She failed her daughter her whole life. No one should be defending her.
It’s highly offensive that one of your contributors cracked a “Weekend at Bernie’s” joke relative to poor Maddie’s body being driven around. In fact, when you have these panelists/experts/guests they (and you Vinnie who I normally admire) should cease and desist with the coy and snarky insiders type commentary when discussing these serious topics. Imagine a family member tuning in and hearing that child’s post-murder car trip being compared to a lame sick joke movie. Shame on you.
That caught me off guard too, plus all the panel guests sat there grinning as they're introduced..you're about to discuss the ab÷se & murder of a young girl & you're smiling like you're about to promo your album release, wth. They need to show more respect for what they're talking about. The Weekend At Bernie's thing was so shocking. It's a deceased child..what are you doing sir?!
Totally agree, this is not the first time a panelist on Vinnie's show has made an inapproriate or disparaging comment. This has happened several times, I can't help but think they are coached to say controversial things. Shame on CourtTV for having such low standards for content.
I’m shocked Telegram is allowed to operate. If illegal activity is occurring on their website, they need to be held accountable unless those customer conversations are provided to law enforcement.
There is illegal activity happening on every app in existence. Get real. I knew some bonehead would misinterpret this as a call to action against telegram. The problem is Stephen Sterns, not the app.
@@lorenfulghum2393exactly. There’s no controlling the amount of predators out there. They’ll always find a way. All you can do is be careful yourself as a parent
Has nothing to do with Telegram. Whatsapp does the same thing. Even iMessage is end to end encrypted and Apple in the past has been hesitant to give investigators messages. I think the stipulation should be, in a perfect world, that in child endangerment all of these apps and services should be required by law to give up the data.
Any messenger app is only as bad as the actors using it. Not everyone using Telegram is doing bad things. These predators know what to use to communicate to stay hidden from LE. This is just one of their means.
The problem is that people want their privacy, so what happens in other apps is that the app has more visibility and control over what it’s shared within it but the companies also sell your data. Telegram promises full privacy to their users, so they are not liable for what it’s shared within it as it’s each user responsibility and obviously people doing illegal activities will choose this option, that’s why criminal organizations and terrorists usually have Telegram groups
Grey = a yt content creator accused multiply times on his platform to thousands that Kaylees’s sweet EX was her murderer AND the murderer of the other 3 (Idaho 4) as well. He never apologized EVER for his obscene accusations. That’s is the kind of MAN he is. This guy claims he talked to four friends (MAYBE MAYBE NOT). He says nothing insightful or new on the Maddy case. ZERO
Vinnie good reporting thanks for your time and you are always speaking for the victims. I will never forget this young girl she deserves Justice. Justice for Madeline ❤️🌸
You can only enact and film a snuff film with ur victim ONCE, bc then that person is dead. I would suggest that is what he did. Madeline had reached her 'use by date' , he had to 'take care of business' before she talked, he probably had set up a viewer audience big noting himself that she'd be assaulted and murdered on air on her 13th birthday, and that's why he involved himself in the bday event (much to the grandmothers perplexing). Jenn was not there so he had free reign . He might have even taken her to some friends. Him having her in the car may be him role playing, treasuring the last moments before he knew he had to dispose of her, as well as attempting an alibi. A gu who uses an encrypted service but doesn't know that factory resetting his phone doesnt wipe evidence is somewhat dim and unreasearched, which indicates he is partially in denial about his own activities / or split Either way, Madeline was an easy target for him and he exploited her to the fullest. And don't assume he stopped once she was dead. The guy is a sexual psychopath and a fraud. He also likes playing with risk ie maybe getting caught. Part of him wants himself to be caught because he wants his exploits to be known. He wants to be notorious in his circles. It's a circle of predators who think this behaviour is cool. The guy is a pathetic human . And yes he was escalating. Stay tuned to see if the pro paedophile lobbyists step up to fight for his right to abuse.
We are blessed enough to have such comfortable lives in the US, that most people can’t even imagine how prevalent and deep the bad can be. Keep shedding the light in the darkness.
Telegram needs to be looked at. There was/were cases recently in Korea where a guy who called himself "The Doctor" (The Doctors Room) and another guy calling himself "God God" (The Nth Room) and it was sickening on what they made young girls do. They used Telegram. I think Stern's is involved in something like this and this is one of the reasons the police are taking their time as they should (the main reasons are medical reports).
The autopsy will reveal what happened to her !! I don’t get why it’s taking them so long to say what really happened to this beautiful little girl ! She deserves justice ASAP
He's in custody for all the charges pertaining on what was found on his phone. They don't want to rush it before gathering critical information. I understand that part, she needs justice so getting and looking into all the information is critical to be able to achieve justice.
I hate to say this but, I really think she looks like it in her birthday pictures. She looked very different in her party pics. I didn’t want to think this because no child her ago should have to deal with being pregnant, especially at the hands of such a sick depraved pervert. Poor Madeline. After hearing how many videos and how much proof was on his phone of him abu$ing her it just makes me sick for her. What an awful thing to have to keep going through. I wish she would have told someone. Edit: I also wish she would have told there was evidence of it on his phone.
I can just imagine him creeping up next to her on her birthday and telling her that she looks beautiful and trying to get close to her and her saying no. And I hope that's how it went down I hope she said no and that she took her power back even if it was for one moment.
I was a Teacher for 25 years.I also worked at a Woman's shelter. Trained in Red Flags for abuse, Toilet issues a huge Red Flag. Quite often the victim will wet the bed or have accidents and constipation. And the fact that she had some or all of those red flags yet no one noticed. Not her mother, not the room mates, the the school, the counselor, Auntie and lastly her friends. Children repeat stuff all the time and it often gets to teachers and parents. So, so sad!
7 hr between the telagram app use and throwing away the book bag 😢 WOW! Her Mother WAS home during that time , the mom saying she saw her getting ready for school. I would think mom would be held responsible for something. After all isn't she Primary Care Taker? Mom is legally Responsible for Maddie. She is a part of this , just by getting on the news and spewing lies .
Did he drop her off somewhere & someone else kills her then he goes to get her and pretends he takes her to school? Is this why he cries? Is this associated with other pedophiles? Was this some crazy trafficking ring? Was he not alone in this evil crime? Did he involve her in some dangerous situation he couldn’t back out of? Just beat the truth out of him! Mom is extremely detached, neglectful, and just as responsible!
I agree with everything you’re saying except beating the truth out of him….I say NO to violence. The mother needs to be charged (either she knew or was woefully ignorant) the fact that the mother lied and hindered the investigation they SHOULD charge her with that (at least) throw her in jail like yesterday
Since the party was at the grandma's house, someone should ask her if Stephan left there with Madeline that evening. I'm wondering if he took her with him and did something seriously bad during the night. Jenifer said she talked with her the night before so where else could Madeline have spent the night? Jenifer was so nervous as well and she said she was with him that morning so I wonder if they both disposed of the body.
I get how you can accidently delete a pic I've done that your sorting pics and you click delete by mistake. But how on earth do you accidently fac reset? It's under a few menus in settings and mine asks for a pin to fac reset
You have to go through several menus and options to factory reset and it asks you more than once "are you sure" before you actually hit the button. I agree with you.
Absolutely mom should be charged. "Jen said she saw her getting ready at 8:00 so the timeline doesn't make sense." No kidding. She's lying! Jen 's no longer the same person we listened to in the beginning; she's now a confirmed liar re: her daughters disappearance. As a mother, it's highly doubtful she didn't know Madeline was going through darkness. The pain, sadness, agony this poor girl was experiencing - how do you not observe & feel that, let alone be privy to and observe the actual facts. Also I can't even stand to look at Steven's face, he's like an evil gnome.
When you hurt a child, baby, toddler, or handicap person your rights should be taken away ( my opinion), no rights at all.. The harshest sentence must and should be imposed the 1st time, no 2nd chances.. These crimes against children have to stop, hold these mothers accountable as well.. And if they're holding him for what he has in his phone in regards to his abuse of this child, should be enough to convict his tail.. Disgusting
I really wish he would quit calling her Jen, as if she's a close friend . She has a part to play in this horrific tragedy She's NOT Jen She's Jennifer a person of interest.
Disney is known for creepy stuff on all levels . Even down to some people who operate the rides or play characters (not everyone but you know they seem to not check peoples backgrounds there has been a lot of creeps)
This is the first time I've heard a more mainstream channel mention telegram!! Someone shut that app down!! Please! I only ever hear it's mentioned on predator catcher websites and that it's full of awful things!
If a man is doing this to your daughter, the daughter will be acting different, disgusted, scared of the man. A good mother would notice this immediately.
i've seen it come up a lot that maddie had told her friends about the abuse and that mom would get involved and into bed with them. that's going around locally i guess
