Magic Player Rates CLASSIC Yu-Gi-Oh! Cards! ft. @covertgoblue 

please this and cimo need to make him believe in the urban legends of forcing the handshake with unity

oh my god that's so funny

@@cedlap It's crazy how many ygo players believe that when there is 0 evidence for it.

wtf is "accepting the idea of a handshake" rule???

Not a ygo player, but I feel like there's probably a card from one of mtg's un- sets that does something similar

It is a bit crazy how little he understands the game after like a dozen episodes

He’s gonna be confused when he sees Abyss Dweller and Time Thief Redoer

ong this exact thing would be patreon sub worthy for me

Its crazy how little he understands of the game after seeing a a couple dozen cards out a few thousands? Truly a crazy statement​@@DragosCatalan-rl2di

@@DragosCatalan-rl2di To be fair though, Yugioh is quite legendary when it comes to being obtuse and hard to understand due to being eternal format. Also Yugioh is completely different to every single other card game (see also the joke about checkers vs chess vs Street Fighter2, so if you have never played yugioh, and only review cards, I can only imagine how hard it can be to understand.

Honestly, I’d love to see just a completely drastic escalation in one of these videos like that. Then return to the older, more subdued cards immediately after.

​@@GurrenPrime It would definitely be pretty interesting to see how his perception on the old cards would change after seeing the modern ones. Like, now most of the effects will seem pretty bad, but you also have to factor in just how long ago they were printed and if they'd already been powercrept to the point that no one would play them even in their own time.

eh is kinda an adventure

Cards like supreme king needs are very hard to reason about in a vacuum because you need so much context to evalutate it. How good is pendulum as a mechanic, how good is the "supreme king magician" archetype, is ZARC relevant or not, what the power level of starters ? In the last video he had a harder time rating the modern cards because there was so much context he was missing. Cimo does a very good job of introducing him so slowly to what yugioh is like as a game.

*2121*

She trims your deck!

I did that with my Nordic deck before. The good ol days.

This is the appropriate level of trolling, now I wanna do this with Flower Cardians

Tbf they don't need to know the name. You are allowed to accurately describe the card to the point both players can agree what you are referring to. Instead of "Karakuri Watchdog mdl 313 "Saizan"", saying "the level 4 dog tuner Karakuri" would most likely suffice since it is the only card that matches that description. It's only a problem when you just say something like "Black Luster Soldier" or "Agido" since those are actual card names and thus will be taken literally at face value.

@@amethonys2798 With BLS there's also the fact that there are multiple different BLS monsters, so you'd likely have to specify which BLS monster you are naming, so simply saying "Black Luster Soldier" would only apply to the original version of the card, which is a Ritual Monster (and since the original Ritual version of BLS is no different from a BEWD that's just a Warrior rather than a Dragon, it's unlikely anyone would actually be running that specific monster, let alone having it be the monster on the bottom of their graveyard).

that's what we call magic planter fuel, baaaybeeee!

At least now the card leaves the field (some of the time) when the monster leaves the field. If the monster is banished though 👀💀

Dude playing yugioh worldwide and setting up destiny board and locking the back row just to get fucked by COTH

Except that usually ends up being upside more than anything. Tellarknights (one of the last few decks to unironically run the card besides like 2016 Kozmo) ran it and dragon spring since you just use the brought back monster (usually Altair) as XYZ material for Triverr and get a free bounce on Call of the Haunted to do it all again next turn.

​@hi-i-am-atan that's what I call scrap dragon fuel, babyyyyy!

A duel between starter deck Kaiba and Yugi. Also puts to show why La Jinn was such a great card if a player draws it.

He shouldn't just show him, they should play a game together

​@EastToWestTCG I mean they probably will. It'll probably happen before we get to synchro era. I remember way back when Cimo did play a few Edison(?) games with Rarran to help him try to understand the game. This would've been like a year ago now at this point or whenever Rarran did his Master Duel....experience.

Especially the one with the most text lol

​@@wilbo_bagginsThe brain overheated when reading Endymion

@@taufantrisnaindra811 I'm glad I never run into it. I have trouble with half the cards played now lol

If I ever saw someone rearranging their graveyard, I would have immediately called over a judge. Lol

I'm assuming there are cards that interact with the order of the graveyard for that to be a rule but it's a funny rule to have for a game where you have to dig info your graveyard so many times a turn, I only play online but I feel id mix it up just on accident in paper lol

I once used this rule to get a filthy, degenerate Frog FTK abuser a game loss. Losing them the match. Karmic justice.

​@@DragoX7 Yeah you have no reason to do that if you're not doing something fishy, I'd be concerned too

​​@@KingOfDarknessAndEvilNow I guess, in the old days when gy effects were way less widespread it was not uncommon to see someone put Sinister Serpent at the top of their gy just to remind themselves that they have it.

Yeah, I was flabbergasted that Cimo said this didn't happen. There are countless ways to abuse this and they FOR SURE happened all the time. No way to catch them = no evidence =/= didn't happen.

Except it is usually obvious they are cheating. Let's take a random example where I get smacked in the dome by Vampire Lord and they call spell. My only spell in deck is Monster Reborn. I say I have no spell. My turn comes along and I don't have a way to out the Vampire Lord so I set some random monster or whatever and pass turn. They don't do anything besides attack what I set and pass turn. My turn and I topdeck Monster Reborn. I activate it and summon back Jinzo or whatever to beat over Vampire Lord. There is a ZERO percent chance I am getting away with "it was always in my hand bro" since I would've simply done this last turn if that was true.

Might be good for a rarran vs cgb video. I am imagining that zoodiac is a deck that they would underestimate.

He should show him Harpies in order the cards came out

I feel like at this point Cimooooooo should just put him in a GOAT game to try to help him actually understand how an actual game plays out.

If I'm not mistaken, now you have to trust your opponent's word for it

Not how it works anymore(thank fucking god)

People blow the whole cheating thing out of proportion. At a local level, sure, someone might get away with cheating to win 2 more OTS packs, but if you get to say a regional that is simply NEVER going to fly towards the top tables. Usually someone is watching whether it be an actual judge or just spectators and will clearly see you lie when you say you don't have X card in hand when Mind Crushed or whatever. "Nah bro I just happened to top deck Snake-Eye Ash".

Didn't cyber dragon come out earlier and make it obsolete overnight?

No but Jinzo existed and made this monster trash

Furthermore, while it isn't the most common thing (being a 4-card combo with 7-card hands), the decks that played Flash-Hulk + a 6 mana creature combo were built so that they could occasionally win before the first main phase of the game when their opponent went first. It isn't unheard of for players to mulligan for free counterspells against Flash-Hulk decks to play around the potential turn-0 win.

​@delta3244 now imagine Flash Hulk combos with fast mana, in a 40 card deck, with all your cards at 3 copies. That was Tearlament.

@@wickederebus I don't play much magic but from the ramblings I'd imagine Manaless Dredge would be closest to Tear, at least in terms of play pattern of shitting out a bunch of cards into the grave, and sculpting that pile of crap into a monstrosity to punch your opponent in the face

@@wickederebus I don't see the relation between the two. "Tearlaments strongest" because... well, because it's strong. Because it's simply more powerful than everything else. Tear combos win the game because other decks don't have enough interaction to pair against Tear's interaction. Flash-Hulk combos aren't like that. They win the game the instant they resolve - that's what a combo does in MtG. Beyond that, the decks play completely differently and work along entirely different lines. I see more similarities between Dredge and Tear than I do between Flash-Hulk and Tear. Dredge likes to use cards in the graveyard to mill a bunch more cards there, it uses those mills to activate effects, and plays cards from the graveyard. It seems a far more natural comparison to Tearlaments than Flash-Hulk, which doesn't interact with its graveyard much at all. There even exists Manaless Dredge, in case you want to mimic Yugioh's lack of lands!

@@jamesaditya5254 That is correct. I'd argue the variant of Dredge which plays lands is closer to Tear because it's faster, from what little I've seen of each, but Manaless does have the similarity of not running lands going for it in this comparison.

you're mixing up two things. even the first print of coth had the clause "when this card is destroyed or _removed from the field"_ so you couldn't circumvent it via bouncing, but you _could_ do that tactic with _premature burial._ which is why it remains banned to this day the other thing is the interaction coth _does_ have with bouncing, which is if you bounce ( or tribute, or spin, or remove it in any way that isn't destruction ) the _monster,_ then coth doesn't blow itself up and you just have a purple card clogging your backrow. that's also still the case to this day, but it doesn't exactly benefit the player aside from potentially letting them use it for magic planter or true draco fuel after they're done with the monster, so it's not exactly an issue that needs resolving

I played a legacy deck for years called Tinfins that plays Shallow Grave, which reanimates the top creature in your graveyard. I had to tell opponents more than once to please leave my GY in the same order when they would ask to see it.

Yes, in those formats there are cards that are actually relevant in the meta as well. Shallow grave and nether shadow have both seen a lot of play. There are zero cards in modern that have this mechanic, so you can rearrange in modern and later formats freely.

These old graveyard order cards are the reason why a few cards that let you take random cards from your graveyard (thinking of Fossil Find, but I'm sure there were more) let you reorder or shuffle your graveyard - so you don't accidentally break the Rules.

Or in case of last turn: "this vard is banned so we don't have to ever clarify this card, and we have the power to keep it banned forever"

Well to add to the question thing, the GY actually still cannot be rearranged, and not just because of question, it's so players and judges can maintain a proper game state in case a dispute occurs.

Or in the case of triple tactics talent: "Card's a meta staple and causes the same ruling question over and over? Ask your head judge, it'll differ from event to event."

@@qedsoku849 the issue with talents, that I'm pretty sure you're referring to is the CL1 talents to take CL2 IP effect, the monster summoned when resolving IPs effect, who gets to activate it, this is an issue with the TCG as we don't have an official rules database to work off like the OCG, and the OCG within the last 2 years, changed how this interaction plays out, and since TCG judges are not supposed to use the OCG database (for some reason or another) we have to go based on what the head judge has determined for that specific event

@@AntCommando Yep, that's the issue I was referring to.

Its weaker version Chaos Sorceror was still good enough to be banned back in the day and when you generally had one summon per round and maybe a second special summon with a great trick BLS was so far ahead of the curve it felt like it reaveled back in time to destroy Yugiohs history

I actually ran into that problem against the AI in a lot of the old video games. Mostly because I was milling their Trap and they only played a few of those

And while I don't think it's a huge problem with Vampire Lord (since if you played a trap later it would be clear you cheated), I do generally find Yu-Gi-Oh's "just trust me" policies kinda crazy.

@@kcStranger Hard agree. All my friends have stories of playing in Infernity meta, casting Heavy Storm & the opponent conceding without showing what they put in the back row. Cheating has always been huge in Yugioh, I’ve seen many players DQ’d for it. This policy encourages it.

When you declare an attack, you also declare the target of the attack. Then, your opponent has a window to respond. If an action is performed that changes the monsters that the opponent has on their field, the attacker then gets an opportunity to redeclare their attack with that monster cancel the attack. Because an attack had already been declared with that monster, they cannot declare another attack that turn.

umm no, when you declare an atk with a monster you have to simultaneously select a target for this atk in the same action, the opponent has a chance to response with something on atk declaration but the atking player cannot suddenly decide to stop the atk for no reason, however they can activate certain fast-effect timing card or effects such as quick play spells, traps and monster effects that is categorized as quick effects what cimo is referring to here is a mechanic called a [Replay], its something that occurs during the battle step which is when an atk is declared and then either the target is no longer a legal recipient of proceeding atk such as leaving the field after being subjected to another card's effect or (including no matter how briefly) the monsters on the opponent's field changes such as flipping up call of the haunted adding another possible monster to the opponent's field for example and when this happen a replay occurs where the player of the atking monster can now either - follow through with the atk on the originally target if its still on the field - choose to atk another available and this includes if their only monster left and returned to the field, this is considered a new target - decide to NOT continue atking with the monster after all the rule on declaring an atk with a monster is that you can only declare an atk with a monster that has NOT ALREADY declared an atk this turn hence so if you decide not to continue the atk then that very monster is still considered to have declared an atk already even if nothing happened as a result of it such as canceling the atk or atking into a lesser defense position monster immune to destruction by battle a player is only able to declare an atk with their monsters during an open game state during the battle phase, this is referred to as the battle step and if nothing interferes with the atk declaration then it immediately proceeds to the dmg step where dmg calculation happens as in the calculations of the opposing values between the 2 monsters involve in the battle to determine what happens as a result of the clash alongside the dmg a player would take if battle dmg were to happen, including dmg step activation only effect only certain effects or cards can be activated in this timing such as mystic tomato which is why some yugioh cards even nowadays still have a reminder text on them that they cannot be activated during the dmg step due to not fitting the limited criteria of cards and effects that can only be activated during the dmg step take a monster called [Chaos Hunter] for example whose text reads "When your opponent Special Summons a monster (except during the Damage Step): You can discard 1 card; Special Summon this card from your hand" so if the effects of mystic tomato or cyber jar were to resolve during the dmg step, because it happened during the dmg step chaos hunter cannot activate its effect to summon itself despite its effect conditions having been met there is some nuance plays that can happen during the dmg step since what can be activated in this timing is restricted, one of the allowed effects is an effect that alters the stats of a monster so like for example [Bujingi Crane] can during the dmg step discard itself to double the atk of a atking beast-warrior type bujin monster which can be enough to be lethal and win the duel, because it comes out of nowhere and is in a sense a protected play as it happens during the dmg step where there is very little the opponent can do about it and the opposite can happen too such as a player atking with their higher atk monster into a monster with a lower atk, the opponent can use a card such as [Honest] which reads "During the Damage Step, when a LIGHT monster you control battles (Quick Effect): You can send this card from your hand to the GY; that monster gains ATK equal to the ATK of the opponent's monster it is battling, until the end of this turn." to suddenly raise the atk of their own monster to be bigger then the opponent's atking monster and because the monsters on the field hasnt changed as a result of this the opponent cannot do anything but watch as their now weaker monster crash into a bigger monster destroying itself in the process and making them take battle dmg equal to the difference instead, potentially lethal enough to win the duel

That would be sick. I think Edison would really make cgb and his audience appreciate the complexities and fun of ygo without overwhelming them with a tear mirror as funny as it would be. LSV vs CGB Edison match??

Yeah, when people say "I miss old school Yugioh" I think they just mean they miss the combat-centric play patterns since nowadays you pretty much want to clear the board as best you could before entering battle phase

There's a lot of problems with Yugioh as a card game, but without a doubt the coolest and most unique part of the game is the Extra Deck mechanic, especially once Synchros came out. Having a toolbox of powerful monsters that you never have to worry about brick drawing, that just need some sort of combo to bring out is awesome gameplay.

Technically that is doable, but it requires a very specialized spell card.

He did clarify that later in the video, so don't worry.

That's the natural scent of a Yu-Gi-Oh tournament

just checked, was never banned but it did got semi limited and then limited

​@@YukiFubuki.Oh, ok! Thank you for checking!

Gorz was a fun card, it was fun bluffing having him with an empty board by asking your opponent which of his monsters is attacking first; if you were good at bluffing they wouldn't attack with their strongest monster. Would be an awesome card for analysis

yup, replay mechanics isnt explained well; replay occurs if the monsters on the opponent’s field changes no matter how briefly after an atk is declared and then the atker may resume the atk on the original target (if it still exist) if not another target but if you decide to cancel the atk the monster will lose its ability to atk for the turn