+CoolsBreeze I like how both Charles and Erik are both regretfully at odds with one another, the one thing I really liked about X-Men in general, aside from Wolverine, is the relationship between Charles and Erik. I also really like how they continued to expand upon their relationship with First Class and Days of Future Past. They both want what's best for mutants, and I like both characters for doing what they think is right. But i'm not gonna lie if I didn't think Magneto is kind've an asshole at some parts.
+triedge763 he has a justified anger about him - an anger that's long been lingering since his experiences of the Holocaust. You can't help but feel some empathy for Erik though
Patrick Stewart may have been the most obvious casting choice of all time. People were even expecting it back in the mid 90s when comic book movies were a pipe dream.
Are you high? He put him in check with a pawn....AND ample other pieces backing up the pawn. There's a knight covering the pawn directly, and other pieces supporting the total attack.
The interesting about Charles and Erik.. They are standing on different side and have to fight against each other due to different belief, but they are friend and they actually don't hate each other. It is just their belief and ideology that separate them..
+Supa Copper My fave moment in the third movie was when Pyro says he would have gladly killed Charlies, and Magneto looks at him all peeved off and says "Charles Xavier did more for our people than YOU ever will!"
+Supa Copper More than that, I'd say they are the most crucial person in each other's life. The only reason Charles school is allowed to exist is because the Government didnt want to fight him before dealing with Magneto. The only reason Magneto could go all out without fear against a much stronger force is because he knew the Mutant had Charles as a back up plan in case he failed.
+zizoegy8460 Another great moment that shall sadly never make it to film; Magneto confronts the Red Skull, making a long, furious speech about how his family was killed in the Holocaust. The Red Skull laughs at him and says "We're a lot alike-we both want to see our master race inherit the earth! To achieve your goals would YOU balk at the extermination of the unfit? So don't expect me to be impressed by your posturing of moral superiority!" And Magneto just stares, looking more than a little horrified.
Magneto mostly using powerful pieces such as rook and knight in chess, symbolizing his belief that Brotherhood is superior to others. Professor X mostly using pawns in chess game, symbolizing his faith in X-Men.
rob140892 pawns are only worth one point and can only move one step at a time. Where as a rook is worth 5 points and can move across the board more easily. Besides Xavier always cheats with his use of telepathy during Chess.
Ben noneofyourbeeswax That's not entirely unlike in their real battles anyway. Xavier has the advantage in all of their encounters as he has his telepathy and Cerebro to help his X-Men, not to mention the additional training and resources that the X-Mansion allows. Magneto on the other hand always fights even when it seems hopeless and will do so mercilessly.
+Tim Nguyen Well, that comparison would be nice, but this movie came 1 year after the Naruto manga began launch. Of course, all of Marvel's flagship characters were formed in the 20th century. But it would be stupid to think Kishimoto copied anyone, because he actually didn't.
Paul Scott Yeah why don't u classify and identify all the Mutants by making them wear an giant "M" in public much like "de Jugden" of world war 2 with the star of daivd. How is that any different from Hitler's "final solution"? Oh I forgot human hypocrisy. I see no reason to aid governments as elected officials change with every election and there is no guarantee. Would u trust an politician?! seriously? smh
Ben noneofyourbeeswax I'm not quite sure what that has to do with my last comment... Unless you're likening Xavier's power of telepathy with the star of David?
Sir Ian and Sir patrick are actual best buds in real life. Mcavoy and Fassbender are also best buds in real life. And the characters they play are also best buds(sort of). The coincidence is just uncanny. Get it?...uncanny? I'll show myself out.
James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender were brilliant as the young, brash Charles Xavier and Erik Lensherr While Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen portrayed the best older, wiser Professor X and Magneto Each of the two actors really brought a lot of fascinating psyches and ideological conflicts to their characters. It perfectly represented Charles and Erik's relationship from the comics.
This chess match was a perfect metaphor for what they represent. They are two sides of the same coin. Eric moves his higher ranking pieces (believing only in the superiority of mutants) with anger and impatience. Charles calmly overtakes Eric's king with just his pawns (able to see the value of all people, mutants and non-mutants alike). Masterclass acting by Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan alike, who are both unsurprisingly best friends in real life.
"The war is still coming, and I intend to fight it by any means neccessary". I have always thought that there were a lot of parallels between the characters Magneto and Prof X to the real life civil rights activist Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr. This quote is a direct reference to Malcolm X, who was notorious for saying "by any means neccessary".
+Joseph Brown The X-men characters were always used as parallels for the discriminated, I believe Stan Lee used civil rights movement as inspiration for the X-men. In this movie, they've publicly stated the subtext for Prof X & Magneto is MLK & Malcom X. You can also relate the X-men to the Jewish in Germany, which Magneto's background was a jew surviving the holocaust.
I've always made that comparison. They were both men who had spent their entire life oppressed and spat at, and both wanted the same goal. But they did so in vastly different ways. They both respected each other, but refused to let the other stop them in their mission.
@@blackstardragon_ A) That’s subjective B) He said “one of” so even if your opinion that “the ending of DK is superior” is true, it would still make the OP correct because he didn’t say THE best and so it is still ONE of the best.
I love Erik's boiling rage during the chess match. Still angry. Still bitter. Fassbender really brought young Ian McKellen to life. Watching the prequels and then watching The Originals, feels... realistic, like Obi wan in star wars.
I believe it was well received on it's initial release and is still considered one of the best comic adaptions the CHESS metaphor is quite obvious in signifying the rivalry between the two! ![ who in real-life both studied at the ROYAL SHAKESPERE ACADEMY !! Cheers!! and onwards!!
pvtrichter88 I'm pretty sure that the chess metaphor is related to the fact that they each compete with the other by using their 'pieces' [x-men vs. Brotherhood], without ever actually directly fighting one another. It is a matter of strategy.
No. It is just the oldest. Much more better cultmovie than Iron Man 1, Thor 1, Spiderman 1.1, 2.1, 3.1, even more famous than the Avengers to me. This one opened a world of the comicbook movie adaptations. Unfortunately, it was not always in a good and one hand.
@@captainfluxgate Good job being even more of an absolute twat after already uploading a video for a classic movie with shitty audio barely audible in the clip.
+marnat61 Yes. I am sure it fit better in the context of the conversation they were having. I just love how it plays up the more things change the more they stay the same dynamic of the X-Men movie universe. Sure they have a new timeline that they can do whatever they want in, but these characters are the same ones we have been watching for 16 years!
Watched this movie the other day and i realized when Erik says 'By any means necessary' he's quoting Malcolm X, and then I realized the film is one great big allegory for The Civil rights movement and I had missed it all these years.
Yup, marvel has always used the x-man and mutant kind in general to portray discrimination in society, whether it be race, gender sexual orientation, you can be a mutant is suffering the same pain. Giving those kids hurt someone to relate to and every other kid great moral lessons hidden in amazing stories and gripping characters. I firmly believe comics have been a driving force in the last few generations leaps in social equality.
I'm al,ost annoyed that they made Malcolm X Megneto, as Minister X's beliefs have often been misinterpreted, and that what he wanted was for African-Americans to have the right to defend themselves same as white people and that he mostly talked in extremes as a way of provoking action, but Magneto is such a great villain I can't be annoyed for long. I'm also happy that they show the stand-in Dr King and the stand-in Minister X as not being complete enemies, as two men who want the same thing, just have different ideas about how to get it. Also, there's Mystiques refusal to answer to her 'slave name', I've only just entered the X-!em universe, but I can't believe that I missed that!
The thing that makes these characters so good is that in a way they’re fighting for the same thing, but in different ways. Erik has seen the horrors humans do to themselves for the most minuscule thing like skin colour or in his case religion, he understands exactly how people see him and others like him and instead of changing their minds he essentially proves them right by instigating a race war. The thing is he’s not doing it for his own agenda, but for the betterment of mutant kind, he thinks that violence is the only real way to win against the system that made monsters out of people that suddenly have super powers. Charles on the other hand wishes to coexist with human kind while peacefully protesting his and every other mutant’s right to exist as living, breathing people. Violence won’t solve anything but instead make matters worse. But at the end of the day what does all that do? People still hate mutants and want them gone and even members of the Xmen are ostracised from society, or at least those who can’t hide their mutation like Cyclops. Mutants still have to hide what they are if they don’t want to be beaten to death on the street by people they considered friends and family and Charles himself states that the thought that one day the government will come for him and the children at his school merely for being mutants keeps him up at night. As horrific as Magneto’s actions are, they at least inspire hope, at least they yield results and at least they show the government that they aren’t scared or hiding anymore because they know that the reason humans hates them so much is because they’re afraid of their powers. But in doing so, he’s justifying the very laws he’s fighting against and creating weapons like the sentinels because that’s what people see, not the fact that the xmen are saving human lives or are trying to live in peace, but the brotherhood’s constant acts of terrorism and fear mongering. Erik and Charles are essentially the fear vs respect argument personified in two characters. Erik wants people to fear the havoc that his kind can cause while Charles just wants to be respected as a person, not a human or a mutant but a person with a life and a soul. This is why I love xmen, especially xmen when it’s away from all the other marvel heroes.
the jews werent targeted by the nazis because of their religion, it was because their culture was deemed destructive to european society. if you find this answer offensive, that means they were right
@@AdmiralZhao007 I’m not really that offended by it. I’ve heard worse things said about the Jews on and off the internet so whether what you said is true it isn’t really that offensive to me. The only thing I find peculiar about your response is that of all the things you chose to bring up in this discussion it was the origins of Erik’s discrimination and nothing else about what I’ve said. What does the reason for Jewish folks being targeted have to do with the overall point of my comment exactly? It just seems like you’re trying to correct me with information that may of may not be false based on a touchy subject for no other reason than just because.
The quiet fury in Ian's voice during the 'What do you do, when you wake up to that?' is just astonishing. The absolute bewilderment at the idea that he even has to ask a question like that. It puts Magneto into perspective. The man is the definition of expedience as he works towards life's ambition of securing the survival and supremacy of the mutant race but he's only gone to the level he sees the world at large having remained at since the time he was a young holocaust survivor watching his mother be dragged to her cruel, inevitable death.
Magneto: What do you do, when you wake up to that? Professor X: I feel a great swell of pity for the poor soul who comes to that school... looking for trouble, don't you remember? I told you that a long time ago. Magneto: Ah yes, how could I forget.
Not to be a contrarian, but actually, he did not tell him that before. When their younger selves have this same conversation in X-Men Apocalypse, it's a new and totally different timeline/life/universe (resulting from "Days of Future Past").
It's a great allegoric checkmate because in order to take the King, the pawns have to advance diagonally. This way, the only possible next movements from Charles over Magneto form an X on the board. Also you can see that both Kings are exactly on the opposite side of the board (0:04).
Even in the original movies, Erik and Charles were always the most interesting characters and it's good that the franchise has gone in that direction. I mean, I like Wolverine and how Hugh Jackman's portrays him, but we really have seen him enough for now. I'm not sure how they're putting the Age of Apocolypse together but I hope it features Magneto and Xavier as the main characters.
@@jordanbetteridge1598 Dude, this was a 7 year old comment from before that movie even came out - I never even watched it since the reviews were so bad.
Magneto and Xavier's first lines in this scene are EXACTLY what Magneto and Xavier say to each other in the "X-Men Apocalypse" trailer that was just released today
Everything about this scene is perfect... the dialogue, the background music, the foreground aesthetics and the intensity of both Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellen.
Take special note of the wording when Charles says "And I will always be there...Old Friend." He's not specifically saying he'll always be there to stop Erik. His words could also be taken to mean that he'll be there to help Erik if the situation calls for it. Of course, Charles likely would not provide the kind of help that Erik has in mind.
It's really great to this dialogue repeated with McAvoy and Fassbender. :) Two fantastic elder actors, and their younger equals. A rewriting of timeline too.
This, This out of any scene of any comic movie ever made is the greatest in my mind. It is so masterfully performed, it is a literal carbon copy of 2 of my favorite comic characters as a kid made real. The dialogue the tone, "what do you do?", PERFECTION. These 2 are among the best actors to ever grace the screen. They, as with hugh as logan will never be topped, and I am honored to see their inception.
I've heard that _everything_ has a magnetic field to some extent because of constantly moving electrons. So if Magneto _really_ focused his mind on the weaker magnetic fields, he could evolve further and upgrade his power to telekinesis. Then he could've broken out of prison without Mystique's help. He had nothing better to do in that plastic prison, so why not give it a go?
This is hella late, but to answer the question, from the beginning since he was put in custody, Magneto was "interrogated" (read: tortured) and experimented on by the Government, specifically Stryker, who was testing a serum that could 'pacify' mutants by temporarily disabling their powers. Even if he was able to further develop his magnetism as you proposed, being frequently sedated would've made it pretty impossible anyway
Even though this movie was retconned in days of future past this conversation still happens (now years earlier in apocalypse) which is a nice addition. It makes sense as X and magneto have this conversation only after they are reconciled in the orginal timeline, however after mystique never becomes a murderer in X's eyes in the new timeline (instead seeking out X to help find Eric) it instead happens years earlier in the 80s.
1:14 "I intend to fight this war... by any means necessary." Remember this quote while watching Magneto rearranging the Dark Cerebro in 'X2'. It makes the scene all the more chilling by the fact that he stayed true to his word.
George Bean The mutants didn't start the war, Stryker did. I notice how you fail to mention that. I guess we know that both Xavier & Magneto will join forces to protect mutants against government agents like Stryker. Which is why X2 is awesome, mutants united.
Ben noneofyourbeeswax True, but the point is Magneto didn't settle for simply stopping Stryker. He took it to another level and did exactly what Stryker tried to do but in reverse; instead of killing all mutants he tried to kill all humans. In the end he was no better than Stryker.
Dennis Williams You thought Magneto was bad wait until you see what apocalypse has in store for the humans. Besides Xavier doesn't even trust agents and would never disclose the location of the school for that exact reason. Did u see days of future past? In the end Magneto was right. But then again, why should u care, you're human, not a mutant. so i don't expect u to understand.
Dennis Williams Well the ignorant has killed Xavier, so that proves the Brotherhood's point. Like wise it seems we've found someone that works for Stryker. Your hope died along with Xavier the day he got killed. Now you face the unknown future and all it's natural disasters alone. While the mutants will survive because we look after our own kind.
I always admired the fabulous tour de force between Patrick Stewart and sir Ian Mc Kellen impersonating Charles Xavier and Erik lensherr..... The soul and the spirit of the X-Men saga......
The best line from Sir McKellen come in days of future past. Magneto: All those years wasted fighting each other Charles, to have a precious few of them back.
I always admired their relationship. Since the cartoon. Charles and Erik are enemies, they fight for different beliefs and on the opposite sides, often fight each other, but their great respect, this friendship they have - unimaginable. One of the many things I love about X-men
He is right though coming to his mansion uninvited is like looking for hell he can literally manipulate everyone, jean is the most dangerous mutant, cyclops, storm and colossus are all heavy hitters and there's some midget who will kill you without mercy if you dare to touch the students
For all the greatness that other X-men movies may have, I will always cherish the first one. It has this... raw attribute, the way it paved the way for modern Comic book movies, but also the way it had its own identity. What I love in the X-men comics is that it's always the story of communities, not individuals, it's always about the group, about society, about people navigating prejudice, hardship, and trying to actually change the world. There is that in this movie, it's not about chasing down the villain of the week or trying to save the world from extinction. It's about ideology, it's about approaching a real problem and trying to solve it for good. In the end, X-men is about people, all people.
I was a child when i first saw this. I thought nothing of this scene at the time, mainly because i didn't know how to play chess. Now chess is the one game that i can play completely for fun without a hint a competitiveness. Like i completely suck at it, but i still have fun. I mean i know the game of chess they're playing is a physical metaphor for their arguments/debates for and against the "eye for an eye" treatment of humans from a mutant perspective. But at the end of the day, they are still friends enjoying a game of chess with each other. I mean for fuck's sake, Charles continues to visit Magneto in prison on a regular basis just to play and talk with him. THAT'S FRIENDSHIP right there. And it's even more satisfying to see with the additional context of the First Class movie that came out years later.
by any means necessary is a reference to Malcolm X. Charles and Eric have a lot in common with Martin Luther King Jr and Malcolm X. and the truth is that you really need both
The MLK side being that everyone should be accepted in society and looking for the goodness in people while the Malcom X side being not ashamed of what you are and defending yourself if need be
***** I think they are referring to the fact not only is he fantastic at it, but also a telepath. Easy to cheat with that power, even though I'm sure he never does.
Spike Spiegel What's the fun in that? I can use cheats in video games, but I choose not to because they are no fun that way. Xavier chooses not to read his opponents' minds because he wants it to be a challenge.
Tangentially related: I read the Twilight books back when my then-girlfriend was reading them. The funniest scene in the entire series was when a telepath played chess with a precog; they both just sat there staring at the board. My sweetie couldn't understand why I was cackling so hard.
I simply like the fact that though they stand at complete opposites of the others ideals, they still have a deep and profound respect for each other. I would give up every last one of my many so-called friends to have one enemy like this.
I know it's pretty obvious to anyone that understands these two characters, but I do love the visual storytelling with Xavier's strategy to win their game. Erik's fatal flaw is that he always underestimates those he considers to be pawns, which leads to his defeat in Last Stand. He didn't think he could be defeated because Jean had killed Charles, but Wolverine and Beast, two X-Men that he frequently dismissed as pawns of Charles, are the ones that stop him in the end. Charles, on the other hand, understands the importance of every piece on the board, and he demonstrates it by defeating Erik with his pawns.
There is no "Black History." There is no "White History." There is simply History. History encompasses us all, regardless of either culture or concentration of melanin in skin.
@@Thraxraganharapollyus No shit. I wrote this 3 years ago! Don't be that overly Liberal, playing it safe, hand-clap-seeking, type person. We all know lakes and oceans are both made out of water... but they are still different. There is only TRUE history. WE GET IT! But since they only teach white history and lies, then maybe you should go preach to white america about that. Instead of preaching to Black people for supporting THEIR true history.
I beg to differ when it comes to magneto if it was up to him humanity would be serving two mutants that's for Malcolm x I think he wanted more than equality then the community wanted to give him.
