those mutants who died, they all LEFT charles lying paralyzed at the cuban beach, and they all teleported with ERIC through azazel. Eric divided them into two groups with a choice. So who's responsible for those deaths? MAGNETO'S FAULT. He's with them!! They abandoned charles. Eric's question: "where were you, charles?!" My answer: *"you all left him lying at that beach, that's where. Wtf's wrong with you?!"*
Without his adamantium he could take him actually, since magneto couldn't use a lot of metal without harming the plane. In a crash would only wolverine survive
Nah. They were just no longer needed for the story. With all the new mutants from the future, and in the past having Quicksilver and Wolverine added to the mix, there was just no room for them.
damn when the way james delivers the line " I sacrificed my powers so that i can sleep" the way his voice breaks, is powerful james is a very underrated actor and one of the best, I love patrick but damn the way james plays him is amazing
Well Sterwart and McKellen play mature versions of Charles and Erik. They dont get the opportunity to show as many emotional differences as McAvoy and Fassbender
Flashfan123 Campbell Damn, Magneto was right all along about Charles. He was the broken man and can kill all of the mutants which happened in Logan. Professor X was the real villain and he lowkey knows it.
The Flash 2019 He’s tough with or without adamantium. At the end of the Wolverine in the airport scene, the man still went for the strike before Erik stopped him. Even with metal he ain’t scared.
*This* is how you use humour to relieve tension properly without cheapening the drama, breaking character or mocking the audience for being invested. Modern superhero films seem incapable of getting this right.
People be like "Superhero Movies aren't serious" These two men are at the top of their craft in this scene. They ARE young magneto and xavier don't care what people say.
@@possiblepilotdeviation5791 dude, I’m 25. I made this comment 4 months ago, so spare me the shit. Since I was a teen, I always point out the stupid shit that teens and adults always do. Me being adult doesn’t change what I have been saying about teens and adults these past years. Most people never admit any of their idioticy. Me, I am most of the time an idiot. Adults often see shit in black and white, me being an adult doesn’t change my mind about that! There will be a time where a dumbass like me will see things in black and white as well. Adults aren’t very bright; I myself ain’t very bright either. So you think based on what I said that I must be a kid? Save it! I’m 25. Most adults often don’t admit their idioticy just because they are older and must think they are right all the time, I myself admit I am wrong at times, I ain’t very bright. So please, spare me the fucking lecture.
"How's that work out for you?" *Doesn't want to admit that it's literally physically impossible to win against him "You're like me. You're a survivor."
True but I’d say at that range and no metal in his body Wolverine definitely ain’t afraid of his chances against Magneto. Plus the healing factor if he does manage to receive some damage
@@killablackmambakbm7593 what!? Charles wanted liberation too! He was trying to build bridges but Magneto views humans as lesser. And magneto is the one who abandoned the X-Men. He betrayed Charles and tried to kill a boat full of solider and Charles had to stop him getting paralyzed in the process. Then Eric fucked off with the Brotherhood. You're right Charles isn't a saint but Eric is a Traitor and a Terrorist who wanted to liberate his people through dominating humans. The irony of Eric's character is he has the very thing he hates. A hateful man uses his power for evil and wants to oppress a race because he views them as lesser, ringing any bells? I like Eric he is a cool character but he is the villain.
Charles and Eric were closer to each others than to all other mutants..so it's more intense and kind hurtful to be abandoned by your friend and family than to be abandoned by strangers
Angel. Azazel. Emma. Banshee. Mutant brothers and sisters all dead! Countless others, experimented on! Butchered! Where were you, Charles?! We were supposed to protect them! Where were you when your own people needed you?! HIDING!!! You and Hank, pretending to be something you're not! *You* abandoned us all!
Great observation. He's been a babysitter from the very beginning. Xavier even told him to babysit the kids at the mansion in X2. Finally in the end, he got to babysit his own baby before he died. :-'(
"Let him come." Damn. Eric was truly anticipating Charles of unleash on him with the pain and grief he felt but the burden and pain that Eric carried wasn't even on the same level of how he felt in how Charles abandoned his kind and sacrificed his powers just so he could sleep at night. Both of their pain was felt and justifiable on both ends, chills.
Also I think Eric knew Charles NEEDED to get that off his chest. Remember these two are kindred spirits brothers in all but blood. Who inspite of decades of opposition to each other never stopped caring for the other
I JUST now understood what Logan meant when he said, "You're like me--you're a 'survivor'." Erik survived the holocaust, and Logan survived experimentation. Nicely done.
DoctorGrey VA no Logan was indeed referring to them being survivors of the tragic events op stated (although Logan May have also been referring to the many wars he fought as well as Stryker’s experimentation). It’s not a deep reading at all, pretty straightforward actually
@@lokikoloki i think wolvie was also referring to magneto surviving multiple attempts at being defeated/ taken down in the future mostly by mutants who pledged their allegiance to charles...
I'm sure it was more symbolic as in wolverine has survived the civil war world war 1 and 2 fights against magneto witha metal exo skeleton and being experimented on
no but the utter devastation in charles' line "you took her and you abandoned me." first of all, james delivers it absolutely perfectly. second of all, it becomes so clear that charles cared and still cares so deeply for erik, more than for anyone else (except raven, though in a different way). erik completely broke charles' heart when he left him and erik took the one person that could have eased charles' pain a bit right with him. the way charles emphasises "me" and not "abandoned" shows that he's not mad that erik left a good cause, he's mad that erik left HIM, despite their differences and different plans and missions. charles truly believed he meant as much to erik as erik does to him - charles would stick with him forever, in a way he does, they both do - but erik left nonetheless and it broke charles' world and his heart to the point he drowned in all his pain and sadness. god, these two especially in this scene are so heartbreaking to watch and both james and michael deliver the lines so perfectly and play these roles spot on and their chemistry even when their characters are broken is still through the roof and excuse me while i go cry and read some fix it fics because i just made myself very sad again.
Well, Magneto was right about how mutants would be treated by society. But in this case, Charles knew that going with Erik was what Raven wanted, so he encouraged her to go, because that’s what she really wanted. So, I don’t think saying that he took her was a fair statement.
***** i dont think they can just replace the materials needed for planes with non magnetic ones. though this a comic book film and if they wanted to they would. weird that they havent. also charles is the more "god like" character. he can steal peoples free will. he can haunt our only real private area (our minds), he can lobotomize an entire city, he can control us as he pleases, etc.
John 117 - finally someone who appreciates Charles!!!! :) I love Erik too, and yes his power is very cool, but Charles is also god-like. Humans cannot resist his power, and most mutants neither.
Honey Badger Later scenes in this movie: "Do what you were made for.", "So much for being a survivor." and "Securing our future. Forgive me Mystique." None of the targets die, but not for the lack of trying.
+parkerboy795 Magneto sent the Sentinel to keep Beast and Wolverine busy so that he could kill Trask and the President. He wasn't trying to kill them. He never has. Plus, the Sentinel only has lethal weaponry. It doesn't have any non-lethal weaponry. So the Sentinel was only used as a distraction against Beast and Wolverine. Magneto knew that both of them would easily take down that Sentinel. Magneto knew that Logan has a really good healing factor. That's why he took him out the way he did because he knew he survived. Plus, he just wanted him out of the way so he can focus on killing Trask and the President. That doesn't have to do with Magneto's cause for Mutants to replace humans as the kings of the genetic food chain. That has to do with changing that dark future into a more peaceful world for mutants.
Where were you, Charles? We were supposed to protect them! Where were you when your own people needed you? Hiding! You and Hank! Pretending to be something you're not!
Pretending to help other mutants. If you watch X-Men first class, you'll notice they kill a bunch of mutants. (Azazel, Emma, Banshee, countless others)
That and allowing Deadpool and Logan to be rated R (or 15 in the UK). The MCU is good for what it is and this franchise has been far from perfect, but X-Men works as a separate entity from the MCU, the common worry about the MCU is that they'll get convoluted and lose track of what made them good and/or popular and adding X-Men to that would accomplish that.
people are not getting charles. His power is immense, he can get inside anyone's head and make them do whatever he can. I guess but it comes with a cost, a frustration, a different kind of torture and pain. I'd have given up those powers in an instant too if i had to feel everyone's everything in my mind. Magneto doesn't feel that much pain, surely he has experienced a lot but he doesn't usually feel it.
Ice&Fire Creations perhaps because he felt more pain than he bargained for since he was a child. I say he’s suffered enough pain from Nazi persecution, watching his mother get shot in front of his eyes, and grow up watching the same level of persecution fall upon fellow mutants.
@@sonicalltheway8179 yea but Charles said he can't even sleep at night. Tortured by the pain of everyone else. Regular have trouble with the one voice in their head, imagine how many are in Charles head
@@KrillintheVillain Magneto is pretty ignorant and very zealous, he scolds Raven, Charles and Hank for wanting to ditch their powers without realizing the toll it took on their every day life.
@@rivertwygzbed543 He scolds them because there are those mutants that don't have that luxery. He cares about all mutants, the minute they become normal humans, he could care less about them.
@Baskaran Ananthakrishnan It's possible to have amazing acting in a movie, while the movie itself is shitty. Countless examples. Apocalypse was bad and no matter how good individual acting was, it couldn't be saved.
I’m here after Dark Phoenix and it’s sad that we’ll probably never see McAvoy and Fassbender in these roles again. They were perfect throughout the series and should be in the MCU, but I think Disney will screw up and recast them.
Fassbender just got this rage and dark energy in him. Perfect Magneto. McAvoy is perfect too, best professor. Too bad that timeline is all fucked up and characters don’t age. First Class was amazing, DoFP was confusing, but awesome too. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix is just a shitshow. I hoped they would focus more on Charles and Erik.
If Marvel and Disney can turn a foolish hero like Ant Man into a star then I’m sure they will do the Xmen and Fantastic Four Justice....... they are in good hands..... Dark Phoenix shows Fox’s work was declining.... it was for the best
Of course they will recast them how is that screw up? They aren't gonna confuse all the casual who think all there movies are the same thing cause marvel. Besides give someone a chance, just because they were perfect doesn't mean someone else can't be. Same with hugh
Ay ay ay... Charles' despair, Eric's anger, the way Fassbender pronounces "Emma... Banshee..." like McKellen would have, how perfectly the music carries all the emotion these actors can deliver... I love this scene! I LOVE IT!
Damn....James acting was on point when he delivered the line "I sacrificed my powers so I could sleep..." then he cracks. Then Fassbander's acting when he Erik got mad and threw an passionate speech about the slaughter of their race, also I like how he fix the plane completely when he cools down.
I died when Logan just sat there and yelled at Charles or Erik to sit down like a mother/father scolding their child about to fight their other kid. And Erik's face after he tells him to pick all that shit up lmao.
Wolverine: "So you were always an asshole." Magneto: "I take it we're best buddies in the future." Wolverine: "Heh. I spent a lot of years trying to bring you down, bub." Magneto: "How's that work out for you?" Wolverine: "You're like me. You're a survivor." And yet he hates flying Magneto had fun tossing like a rag doll.
Uh NOOOOO! Charles has never done anything but help, save, and uplift Erik. FC: Erik encouraged the wedge between Charles and Raven and caused Charles' paralysis. DOFP: Erik showed no remorse over paralyzing Charles, was dismissive and cruel about it, tried to murder Charles' sister right in front of him, nearly got him and mutants everywhere killed with his DC BS. Apocalypse: Ditched the mutant cause completely, kidnapped Charles for him to be used by a psycho, is to blame for Alex's death. Dark Phoenix: Was cruel towards Charles as usual and was going to kill the child Charles raised for petty revenge he had no right to whatsoever!
@@salmanillustrator5540 You all forgot what a villain is..... A polar opposite of the hero. A person with a different view of life not a killer, not a psychopath, but a person who antagonize the by different morals and ethics. In today's society the only reason why they make them psycho and killers is to make you side with the hero and make the stakes higher.
Michael Clarke Duncan, Peter Dinklage, Bryan Cranston,.. there are some, but definitely not a lot, where I'm not only speechless because of the epicness of the story or sth, but also because of the acting (more interestingly: most of the time, it's with series actors.. well, maybe because you can see how they evolve like in Supernatural where I was speechless at the end of Season 8? :)) And I do think Fassbender (who btw actually thinks that his acting in this very scene was not very good) and McAvoy are near. Have you seen the trailer for Split? Damn.
@@hnys7976 Ledger was an amazing talent, but overall, considering the vast experience and work that he's put in for decades, I'd say sir Patrick Stewart is above them all.
What I love about this scene is that you can know nothing about these characters, yet the dialogue and the performances tell you everything you need to know. You can sense the history and the pain that Erik and Charles have been through, and the conflict between them all in just a two minute scene. Masterfully done.
I like how the attention to detail is so profound here. While in a complete nose dive Charles is flying back towards the cockpit while Erik is standing grounded to the floor. Because it represents how unbalanced Charles was in his stance on the issue and it represents how firm in his stance Erik is. Not to mention, because Erik is the master of metal
Well said. Also, having a "little person" as Trask was brilliant in a roundabout way. It begs the question, why does this person who is so different hate all of these different people so much?
James and Michael are amazing actors! I think one of the main reasons why Fox Xmen is so successful is because the acting performance of most actors is A+! This scene is just perfect. MCU will rather choose an action scene than something like this. True though, that not many of their cast could pull this off this greatly.....
Dear Captain America: Civil War, this is how you represent two different ideologies, and not with two talking scenes and later have one of them straight up says he's wrong.
I'm assuming you didn't like a Civil War? I personally was okay with it, but I prefer Winter Soldier. Can't say anything about X men cause I haven't seen any of them
The Alchemist League I'm "meh" with Civil War, and yeah, Winter Soldier is miles better. Loved the X-Men a lot more. And yeah, absolutely recommend them. Just start in the order they're released, and if you're bored with the old ones, skip to "X-Men First Class"
+Galen Marek yeah. I mean, Civil War isn't a BAD movie, but for me it just feels awkward a little. Winter Soldier is just... Amazing. So is Guardians of the Galaxy. I can't wait to see X Men movies, hopefully this summer. We'll see
Thinking about is now I realize that Charles probably heard the minds of all those mutants he once knew who were killed, experimented on, and shut them out of his mind by using his treatment. I could be wrong but IF I am right, the time between the movies was a really dark time for Charles.
Deazy maan it was a horrible time in his life after Cuba. He was still heartbroken (whether you want to see it as platonically or romantic) because Erik left him alone in a really vulnerable place. Probably he wanted to find comfort in making the school, the safe place he wanted, but everything went wrong and suddenly he was alone. It pisses me off that Erik didn't understand that Charles didn't take the medicine to walk, but because of the voices in his head that couldn't let him even sleep (I hadn't thought before that he was mostly hearing the mutants being tortured, that's a really interesting and sad idea). I also get that Erik was mad because he hadn't have the chance to protect the mutants when he was in prison, but the las 10 years were hell to Charles as well
Theoretically, even if Eric sabotaged the plane and it couldn't fly he could prevent the plane from crashing and probably get it to its destination. He wouldn't let the plan crash with Xavier on board.
I'm sorry but as a marvel fan I have to say this SR PATRICK Stewart,Michael fassbender and James mcavoy with SR Ian MCkellen are the greatest actors in superhero films today goddamn there all good I'm sorry but they beat all the actors in the MCU even tho they are good actors aswell but to me these 4 actors are amazing
"I sacrificed my powers so that I could sleep" Great line. IMO many big budget films tend to undermine human drama a little unless it involves losing people you love or a sacrifice or something. We all have out own dramas whether bigger or smaller. And being crippled must certainly be almost as bad as many other things. I don't know if I'm making sense here :D Great scene though. Reminded me of Gandalf using the tongue of Mordor in Rivendell.
Azazel, Angel and Emma Frost served evil Nazi madman who wanted to start the nuclear apocalypse, and Charles has no moral obligation to save them. The only one I feel sorry is Banshee, he was a good kid.
Thank you and even still if you give them benefit of the doubt for mutants sake they still sided with Erik and left with him at the end (except Banshee). Erik is responsible for their deaths more than Charles
I love the fact that after all this time, Wolverine can find common ground with one of the X-Men's biggest adversaries and that is captured perfectly here. "I spent a lot of years trying to bring you down, bub..." "How does that work out for you?" "You're like me... You're a survivor."
@@camerongreene3357really tough of you to flex your powers after you know I don’t HAVE mine anymore thanks to a little bullet me Magnetic couldn’t seem to have caught to changed trajectory. I get Erik has loss and is a victim himself but he robbed Charles of his ability to walk the. Chastise him for doing away with his powers just so he can sleep peacefully. A real friend would have some guilt about that when Charles dropped that line
No, you're not. I've been hoping and begging for Fox to give F4 to Singer, and let him try to work this magic with Richards and Doom. I have more faith in him getting them right, than I do the MCU.
Erik may have his ways but ultimately, HE'S RIGHT! Charles is a coward who hides away and pretends like the world isn't out to get them, he hid while mutants were dying but then wants to talk about peace when he isn't doing his part. For all his faults, Erik wlll fight and die for mutant kind til the very end, hate him or love him, you gotta respect that.
This scene is amazing. Impressive. The guy who portrayed Magneto did good job at depicting the arguement and speaker's emotions, the writer/scenarist did a good job at producing this dialogue. Person thinks Eric is perfectly right....
Xavier: "I know that you took the things that meant the most to me." Magneto: "Well maybe you should've fought HARDER for them." Fuck what a great response. Classic Magneto. I still maintain that no one can top Stewart and MacKellan as these two characters, but scenes like this for Fassbender, and later in the movie when Professor X is regaining his hope after such despair, for MacAvoy, show that these two are pretty damn close to the Stewart/MacKellan level. Just brilliant.
The casting for these two roles was perfect imo. For both older and younger versions of Professor X and Magneto. The chemistry between the two pairs is out of this world.
Such phenomenal acting. I personally think his whole plane scene (Wolverine included) is the best scene aside from the last scenes and the Mystique and Beast fighting Magneto! This movie was so good... I've seen it multiple times!
@ 0:45 There’s a stillnesses in James McAvoy’s face that you see often in his other movies, where he’s clearly enraged but it doesn’t seem like it at all and it’s perfect, such a great display of emotion. He was completely prepared to go to war with Erik off the pain & resentment he feels towards his old friend for what happened to him all those years ago.