Bobby Fischer would have played Chessmaster grandmaster Edition and defeated it and uploaded the game. The dumb player Magnus just sits and laughs at fart-players. No wonder he has so low fans.
@@ChrisHyde537 Its hard to judge. I would say give Magnus a couple of year more where he clearly dominates the chess world and then you can call him the GOAT. But these are also different times. Every new chess generation has an advantage compared to their previous one since they can build up on the already existing knowledge. Also a big differents are the engines ofc. Now you can prepare way more faster and precise than 20 years ago.
@@mewithmychick6960 ... But also your opponents also have all that previous existing knowledge... And also in today's world, it's even different to break through the position when everyone has so much resources... So if you have engines, your opponents also have engines... So even in today's world, if Magnus has been unbeaten and undisputed no. 1.... I don't think anyone should have any doubt that He is the GOAT... Simple
No he's not, this is similar to Khabib's case in MMA, Magnus as Khabib has been very dominant champ, perhaps one of the most dominant ones, but seeing history of reigning champs year for year, he is not the best to have ever lived, the contention is between Kasparov, Emanuel Lasker, Ruy Lopez, Steinitz, greats who explored the game from scratch and gave everyone learning base, basically inventors vs learners, to invent and to discover is much more valuable and arguably more difficult than to learn. Also, the fide tournaments or the world championships tournaments are just tournaments by an organization not a testimony to who is the best necessarily, before those tournaments centuries ago people played chess and their overall progress over the year or the years is what set them apart to be the best not just some single tournament that we arbitrarily decided to be a WC tournament in an arbitrary period of history which means nothing, chess players such as as I said Ruy Lopez and Philidor who have achieved far greater reigns as best players and were de facto world champs, hold zero world champ titles solely because of the lack of arbitrary red tape procedures and organizations, when in reality their reign are to be translated to minimum 14 consecutive title defences each (Magnus has only 5, Kasparov 6).
@@baneinurarse8952 he's lost against younger players several times before but never accused someone of cheating directly like that, Niemann was the most suspicious clown that day
@@isaacharton7851 Hey, I'm sorry, but even in their primes, Magnus would absolutely school most of these gentlemen. *Consider:* Magnus has used computers to aid his learning in ways old masters never dreamed. Magnus is a machine, as he was raised by machines. *Consider:* Magnus' average rating is higher than Kasparov's all time highest rating -- and it has been for over a decade (since 2012). *Consider:* Magnus' competition today is much tougher than that of the old masters, and yet, he dominates by an even higher margin. Also, the fact that you left out Bobby Fischer and Paul Morphy shows me that at best you have some holes in your list. =] For me, Magnus' prowess as All Time World #1 is not in question. And he is amazing in all time formats, not just classical.
To have the reigning chess world champion at the poker table is somewhat intimidating, knowing that his memory is so good and that he also has some other mental powers.
Bobby Fischer would have played Chessmaster grandmaster Edition and defeated it and uploaded the game. The dumb player Magnus just sits and laughs at fart-players. No wonder he has so low fans.
And i think that is good thing for him because he gets to analyze everything over and over. If you want to win over Magnus i think you need to play poker fast so that he does not have so much time to think.
The commentator: Magnus Carlsen is one of the best chess players in the world, if not the best. Bruh. Magnus is World Chess Champion since 2013 (unfortunately not for longer). Highest Elo number in history. "oNe Of tHe BesT".
If you take the entire history of chess, then modern chess has come a long way thanks to computer analysis and learning opportunities. None of the champions of the past at the peak, be it Fischer or Kasparov, could have won the crown from Magnus. Therefore, we can safely say that at the moment Magnus is the strongest chess player in history!
Bilstad was supposed to go all in after the bet on the flop. It protects his hand & was the only move since he would have had less than pot on the turn. Calling on the flop was a total mistake, one take cost Bilstad the hand.
@@EdgewoodTennis based on? we can't really tell from limited info, we don't know his thought processes behind plays we've seen and we haven't got his results over a meaningfully large sample. based on the limited info I'd say he's a capable player who has studied theory
Magnus excels in metagaming. If he really spends the time to study and improve at the nuances of poker, it won't be long before he's a reg at higher stake games. Rooting for him
@@lelio422 based on how he reacts when he loses I doubt he has what it takes to be a high stakes reg high stakes poker is a very weird thing…but I doubt you understand much about poker anyway
@Ozymandias Ok. You're the best at poker. Cool? Arguing further with trolls like you is a waste of time. But if you really want to know I'm a winning player at all stakes up to NL500. I don't play high stakes because I understand very little about weird things. Have a good day 👍
I'm from Norway, same as Carlsen. His poker mindgame is extreme. The one time I faced him over in Oslo - he looked me in the eyes and correctly called the cards I was holding. Saying "You don't have a pair". He wasn't talking about literal cards, it was at a party. Came there with my girlfriend, left single.
Magnus seems like a guy who has been doing something he felt like he was "supposed to" be doing for way too long. Now he is relishing a rebellion phase where he is letting loose and doing what he wants without the pressure of expectations weighing him down.
As a poker player and fan, who sometimes dabbles in chess, I hope that Magnus decides to play more poker in the future. I mean he’s already mastered one game. Might as well move on to the next.
No doubt he is the best human chess player, but he hasn't mastered the game at all. Even modern day engines or AI's haven't mastered the game and they are leauges above Magnus.
@@mklein6265 Mastering comes in different forms. Nobody can "Master" chess. There is an infinite amount of moves, for the simple fact that ANY PAWN, can become ANY PIECE. Thus, him being significantly better than everyone around him, in a certain field... Is pretty much mastering the sport.
To my knowledge Magnus has played tournaments off an on for a few years now. Obviously not super regularly as he was the reigning world chess champion, but he's definitely a very solid poker player from what I've seen of him.
@@lashaunbeazer9264 of course number of moves isn't infinite, it's just about 10^40 and, as any constant, this number is negligible compared to infinity. And even more: as set of moves is finite, this means that there exists some sequence of moves for white that will always win game, or sequence of moves for black that will always draw game. And only findng one of those sequences can be considered as mastering the game.
@@mihalious Chess is infinite from the human perspective. Now, just because technically there is a finite number of moves than can be made doesn't mean there is a sequence of moves that guarantee a win. Rock, paper, scissors only has 3 possible moves from each player. that's only 9 possible combinations between two players and no strategy will ever guarantee a win.
Magnus, as a poker player I just wanted to say, your thought process playing poker is phenomenal. It takes many years of playing to analyze some hands the way you did. Some people will never think about poker hands the way you did.
@@fruitsnacks155 Dude it's a poker... It's not about winning or losing a hand (if you exclude bluffs from the equation) it's about extracting the most value when you win and losing the least when you lose. He didn't manage that.
He could, but it is very unlikely (I could also earn more money than Jeff Bezos for just breathing, if someone payed me that much for it). Magnus made over 10 million playing chess, so he would have to play a cash game pot of several millions, which he just won't play. Magnus is intelligent and wouldn't risk a large amount of his net worth in a cash game at these stakes, where he would most likely be the biggest fish at the table, because he would be matched with absolute top pros.
Imagine you are a poker pro grinding all your life for this moment then the number one chess supergrandmaster already a millionaire shows up and takes the prize
"When getting called "one of the best" in the world is a direct insult. Man isn't just best in the world, he's the best that's ever lived". I agree 100% !
i dont even like magnus, but the commentators should give the man his proper due. he is not only THE greatest player living on the planet, but hes arguably the greatest of all time.
What's wrong with being careful and conservative about a praise. If he said "he's the best" everyone would go crazy in the comments comparing him to Fischer or Morphy or Kasparov saying he's not the best. People are never happy.
As someone that use to play alot of holdem, that was well played. Your opponent made several mistakes in his betting likely due to your well placed bets. He didn't know what to think of your hand. Well done
i prefer the way Magnus played to be honest depending on how disciplined our opponent is he might just fold if we fire the turn. and by checking turn we allow ourselves to get called more often when we go for river value.
I don't like the size of the bet on this flop, even checking or going all-in looks better. And with this line, you should bet smaller on the river too.
@@user-cw9mj4cl5y Yeah sizing on flop was terrible. Everything is better besides all-in. I don't like sizing on the river as well but I wouldn't call it smaller bet necessarly. Check is also viable in my opinion to induce some fringe valuebets and bluff from sth like AQs. I would rate river plays as 1. check 2. bet smaller 3. bet higher. 4. bet as he did. I only like check on the turn. All in all he didn't play this hand well.
What's wrong with being careful and conservative about a praise. If he said "he's the best" everyone would go crazy in the comments comparing him to Fischer or Morphy or Kasparov saying he's not the best.
@@vickmackey24 the man held all three titles simultaneously and has held #1 in all 3 multiple times. It’s arguable that he’s the best at those too. There’s a lot more variance on those formats, so nobody really claims it.
This is the definition of not being disciplined on the river. QQ on that board is likely a fold. Here’s why: Think about Magnus’ preflop 4-bet range. Possible value bet hands include AA (4c2=6combos), KK (4c2=6 combos), AK (16 combos), maybe with a small freq AQs (4combos), very low freq if at all KQs (2 combos), QQ (given fact that you hold QQ, there is only one other combo (2c2) of QQ, in which case you CHOP), sometimes JJ (3c2=3 combos because jack on the board). Four bet freq with 10s/below is small, plus folder behind likely had pocket pair and folded. If you hold QQ, you lose to 6+6+16+2=30 combos. You chop with one combo, and beat 4+3=7 combos. This isn’t even taking into account frequencies, so not only are the amount of combos that you lose to much higher, but those are the more freq/standard plays. Possible 4-bet bluff hands include A2s (12 combos) A3s (12 combos) A4s (16 combos) and A5s (12 combos). The reason there is a disparity within 12/16 combos is because the board holds a 2,3, and 5 so it blocks a combo Straight from A4s 4-bet bluff gets there on the river, so from bluffs, you lose to 16 combos and beat 12+12+12=36 combos So, in total, there are more value bet combos than bluff combos, especially if you take into account bluff 4-bet freq. if carleson is a standard player, his range is virtually A’s, Ks, AK/AQ
to be honest, if i don't follow chess at all and have no clue about anything related to the chess world, i would think this Magnus dude is just a semi-rich dude with european accent, bad haircut and probably owns a property in Florida. LMAO this is pretty surreal and funny. good for him tho for enjoying life & his hobbies.
@@Aeradill tbh I'm not a poker world expert myself but nah, i don't think that's a thing. this event is a pretty big deal tho held in cali and joined by several known content creators, I'm assuming at least half of these people got big banks lol
No, that makes no sense. Until we get a new champion, Magnus is the champ. He never resigned the title, you made that up. All he did was decide he wasn't going to defend the title. Meaning he still holds it, until someone else wins it.
@@bgdgdgdf4488 Magnus sent a notarized letter to Fide rescinding the title. That's what Fide was waiting for so Fide could go ahead with the match to crown a new champion. Wherever your getting your information from is incorrect.
Bilstad played the hand correctly-Magnus only didn't make a mistake. After the 4-bet, Magnus likely had AA KK or AK, but it's impossible to be sure. Nobody else came in, so everyone else probably didn't have many A or K. Magnus got lucky on the turn, but he slow-played. Bilstad had to call on the river, because Magnus placed a low bet. I don't see how Bilstad could've folded the river.
Carslen: Won chess rapid and blitz world championship in 2022, also won those numerous other times, meanwhile being a classic chess world champ for 10 years. Commentator: One of the best in the world. Thats just wrong.
