I do like that Mahidevran finally spoke her mind to the Valide, but, as always, her greatest weakness is when her emotions get the better of her. But it's really sad because I can see she's trying to mirror Hurrem's actions in a way---Hurrem always spoke up, caused a scene, and was rewarded. So she doesn't understand why she can't or shouldn't just do the same and have the same results. Although, honestly, so damn proud of Hurrem for pointing out how these people have no right to get angry and refuse to obey the very rules they always insisted she herself follow. Call them out, girl!
rightt and that's one of the reason why Suleiman fell in love with Hürrem she stood out From the very beginning and always defended and protected her loved ones. Valide,Mahidevran, Ibrahim and the others in a way influenced her to act cruel towards them she wasn't going to tolerate their bad actions towards her forever and it was worse because she was a teen when she arrived she had seen her parents and sister die in front of her eyes and then had to deal with all this drama and injustice when she didn't even want to be there in the first place.
Hurrem was very intelligent, she knew what she can or can't do, she was a mastermind, she was also so much braver. There is also a fact she could rely on Suleyman and a fact he loved her. Mahidevran finally stood up for herself, but she can be shut down so easily, she was not that smart and durable as Hurrem, no one would see a threat in her unless she did not have someone watching her back. She could be wicked, but Hurrem always outsmarted her. Mahidevran was not dumb, but she always needed the other ones to think for her - Valide, Ibrahim. Then Mustafa had the power and while she tried to take advantage of it, she was never really succesful. Mahidevran is more of a tragic character. She lost everything, while she was not dumb, she was not smart enough to competite Hurrem and not charismatic enough to keep Suleiman's attention. Mahidevran always relied on other, more smart and powerful people, which is not bad, but that's the main diference between her and Hurrem. Hurrem, even tho she had allies, she was always alone in fight and she had to think for herself.
@@gentleheart7107 I actually like this take on their characters! Because, honestly, you're right. Mahidevran depended too much on the strength of allies, being influenced by them, while Hurrem had to become an expert in fighting on her own with no one in her corner. It particularly meant that Mahidevran grew steadilly more defenselss as Hurrem eroded away her support system.
Mahidevran and Valide Sultan have toouch power. Mahidevran brought her own karma onto herself. That's why Suliman loved Hurrem. Hurrem had brains and culture. Mahidevran wasn't the brightest gem in the Treasury. She just followed others instructions not be herself to stand out unlike Hurrem.
Ibrahim, Hatice, and even Valide and Gulfem all got tired of Mahidevran's consistant crying and whining. The only reason she got their help in the first place was they hated Hurrem, and then later in the series they helped her because they hated Hurrems children.
@Dreamfyre2 This does not mean that Mahidevran is a saint. This means that it is unfair to shift responsibility for Hurrem’s sins to Mahidevran. “Mahidevran killed the innocence of Khurrem” - well, that’s not true. After the poisoning, Hurrem herself said that she would have done the same if she had a rival. Which she proved later with her actions
What pisses me the hell off is how she still considers herself a victim,how she thinks that the whole world had broken hell loose upon her when she was protected and loved by everyone in the palace. Everyone strove to protect her and save her from the Sultan's justice,JUST BECAUSE THEY ALL HATED HURREM.
Exactly When hurrem was left to struggle& protect herself n her kids....mahi was pampered& favoured unfaily by valide and ibrahim was hand in glove in every plan of mahi to eliminate hurrem😎 Both had cheap n greedy mentality😎
@@IraqieGirl541 Gulfem was the most evil of all. From the beginning to Hurrem dying day, she was there and supported all the inhumane things done to Hurrem, was even the messenger in a few of them but never said anything to Hurrem or Suleiman.
If Hurrem made mistakes she got her punishment. But Mahideveran every time escaped with here crocodile tears and protected by others. This was made distance between her and Suleiman. Sulieman though she has many people to give comfort. But Sultan know Hurrem was punished and no one there is protect her . So he punished her and give her comfort this was made them more closer.
“You are the ones who talked to me about the rules and manners since I came here. Has it become an issue when you face the same manners?” Boom! Exactly!
Mahidevran still hold on pride to be the mother of first prince. She forgets that Hurrem is legally married to the sultan. Mahidevran has black heart. She is only a concubine and Hurrem is the majesty's wife.
Why pepole always hate mahidevaran ? Hurrem done whatever mahidevran done and she stolen everything from mahidevran.suleiman loves hurrem blindly and he trust her blindly .mahidevran is his first love but he treated her like nothing.
@@traveldiaries8110 Idk. I felt bad for Mahidevran (well not the one in the show actually lol--I'm not sure if they even portrayed her correctly, all I know was she definitely was not the 'lucky' one when Hurrem was alive) character irl. Although her fate was she outlived both Suleiman and Hurrem, and after Hurrem died, she finally lived in a much better condition after years of struggling financially. So I think that there was some truth that Mahidevran and Hurrem really disliked each other, I mean, even Suleiman let Mahidevran suffer (struggle financially) after he executed Mustafa. She was truly dependent on the kindness of Suleiman to be able to have money and pay for day-today. Up until Hurrem died, Suleiman refrained from taking care of Mahidevran financially, but once Hurrem passed, he did gift Mahidevran property and paid for her day-do-day so she started to live well, it continued on with Hurrem's son, making sure Mahidevran lived comfortably until she died.
@@tracys169 this shows the level of control hurrem had on Suleyman. He not only ordered her only son's death but let her suffer alone financially for years. His sudden change after hurrem's death shows he felt guilty and did have concerns for mahidevran, but he dare not go against hurrem.
@@toobaaaapi He didn't change. Selim supported her financially. When a prince was executed, his mother still had to carry out some royal duties. The main one was to petition the sultan for position for people in his employment and marry off his concubines. She did none of these. Instead she financed her grandson and his mother to run away. It took Suleiman six months to find them. She then sold everything she had to finance the rebels who said Mustapha was still alive and that people should rally behind him. That were the reasons her income was stopped. Nothing to do with Hurrem.
Mahidevran is such a cry baby, always thinking of herself and never realizing she's in the same position as Gulfem. Gulfem is big hearted and wise. As for Hurrem, I don't agree to many of her decisions but she was courageous and learned through her struggles when her family was killed, had nothing left and forced to slavery.
Skylar Phoenix Gulfem had also a Child with Süleyman who died. But actually they are in same position. Gulfem lost her position as Süleymans Concubine when Mahidevran came and Mahidevran lost it when Hürrem came💁🏻♀️
@Skylar Phoenix she shouldn't be worried about her child. But Hurrem had to worry: we all know that Mahidevran killed Mehmet with NO REASON. Hurrem did revenge, also was protecting herself since Mahidevran conviced Mustafa on her side.
Skylar Phoenix yes, I wrote that Gülfem lost her position when the kids unfortunately died. I'm not even sure that she stayed in the palace after that? Anyway, now after so many years I dont like the show anymore because they put too much nonsense in there. I have read books and they werent that evil in real life. I mean things like:Mahidevran killed Mehmet and Hürrem is responsible for Mustafa's death. Also in this show werent a lot of people who existed like Süleymans another Concubine Fülane Hatun and his second child with Mahidevran Raziye Sultan.
Wow Mahidevran you said "Can no one put this woman in her place?" .she was reminded of her place many times. She was humiliated and banished many times while you enjoyed comforts of palace and leaning on people to support and hide your evil doings. She won her right while you, as usual, complained and whined .
Exactly!!!!! Mahidevran never and I mean never took accountability for her actions/wrong doings. She threw the first stone at hurrem and hid her hands when Hurrem refused to back down. She caused her own problems and played the victim. I felt bad for Mahi in the beginning but after the party where Hurrem was sent to the dungeon my feelings towards her changed.
Valide and Hatice had no problem telling Hurrem that it didn't matter whether she bore 1 prince or 1,000 princes for the empire that she was nothing but a worthless slave and that her children were their blood and not hers. Even when Suleyman freed her and made her a legal wife, they still tried treating her like a slave.
The actor playing Mahidevran would do great for an epic saga of a tragic love story. She's beautiful and classy (although I don't like the character she's portrayed here) and she really does a magnificent job being an "unfortunate"misery stricken woman who's lost her love. I'm surprised she's not as famous as Meryem (Hurrem) is (or so, I assume).
It's really funny to me that everyone thinks sulieman is incapable of his own thoughts and wants, ESPECIALLY if they go against his mothers wants and wishes. They right away say hurrem is a witch and blame all his choices on her lmao especially when she says that about him eating and drinking yet later (after her death in the series) he bans coffee knowing hurrem loves it.
Concubine us a secondary wife but inferior to legal wife,and the concubine's son.. Hurrem and her children became superior over Mahidevran and Mustafa after the marriage.Mahidevran's insecurity grows even more.
Everyone thinks Mahidevran is annoying but let’s face it... we’d all crack if we were in her position. You always dislike the character who represents the vulnerability we all have.
Oh yeah that's for sure. We all would. Though it is good riddance for her honestly. And she, along with Hurrem, made very questionable choices, though her choices led her to this ordeal while Hurrem was more strategical.
Mahidevran insisting that the sultan should love only her is laughable 😀True hurrem too did it but both hurrem& suleiman were truly in love and later got married also 👍how can anyone force a mon or a woman to love them esp if that person is in love with somebody else?? Mahidevran' s selfishness,arrogance,audacity & greed only keep growing through out this series 😎
I'm for Hurrem, who has been mistreated since she started having a relationship with Sultan. She predicted that she would get the respect of whether it was given freely or not and for all of them good residence
You sent poison to Suleiman’s table, beat up Hurrem badly and you call this just a mistake? These were attempted murder and harassment, your crimes are big! No matter how many years have passed, Suleiman cannot trust you anymore, you should’ve been smart from the beginning.
Really Hurrem burned gulinals face send a poisoned snake to isable and through her alive in the sea Arnt thise big crimes too or saint hurrem is always justified
Mahidevran is low mentally while Hurrem is clever..from the Very beginning with Hurrem she act like a Baby pity a mother of prince..she stole the Emerald oF Hurrem then beating then poison then Valide ,Hatice,gulfem is with Mahidevran side they plan to killed Hurrem but they failed..They made Hurrem Clever and Sultan Love Her more😂😂
Honestly….Mahidevran isn’t wrong about what she said to the Valide. Mahidevran was clearly struggling and she was shut down every time she tried to express her frustration. She told Ibrahim and Hatice on separate occasions that SS doesn’t touch her and their response was to not discuss her private issues. When Mahidevran first arrived to Topkapi palace she was upset that SS didn’t summon her and Valide admonished her. Also, Hatice found Mahidevran crying on her bed and told her to not cry like an inexperienced concubine and then hugged her as if that was gonna do anything. All that pent up anger & frustration with no healthy outlet led her to down spiral. Not saying what she did was smart or right though.
Yes, a lot of what Mahidevran said to Valide was true. But Valide also shares quite a bit of fault in this. When Suleyman found out that Mahidevran assaulted Hurrem and then went on to poison her, he rightly demanded that Valide banish her as punishment. She didn't do it because she was partial to Mahidevran and that led to Sulyeman carrying out his own punishment of ignoring her because Valide didn't do as he asked. Valide then demanded that he spend Thursday nights with Mahidevran even though he made it clear that he did not want her interfering in his intimate life. Instead of listening to him, she forced the issue and all that did was lead to Mahidevran spending humiliating night after humiliating night being shunned by Sulyeman. Had Valide done what Suleyman asked from the beginning, she might have saved Mahidevran a lot of future heartache. Her partiality towards Mahidevran didn't really do her any favors.
She can cause and scene and disruption in their celebrations and that would have been fine. They are all vipers in the same pit. Their only reason for existence was to destroy Suleiman and Hurrem.
Mahidevran is an idiot here who can't control herself. Hürrem's strength is that she learned to behave and fight with intelligence. Mahidevran still acts the way Hürrem used to in the beginning, shouting and insulting and losing her temper. If Mahidevran cared about her son and keeping him alive she would shut up and be calm and wait for his turn in patience. But she can't get over her hatred and jealousy, that's her big mistake. Hürrem won, there is no going back, there is nothing she can do to make Süleyman love her again when he clearly puts Hürrem above all else.
Mahidevran is her own worst enemy she is so underhand she has poisoned,battered ,had her kidnapped buf Hurrem comes back I don’t think Hurrem wasn’t bad to start with but she had to stand up to them all
I don’t think there was an actual issue with the crown in history, although suleiman gifted hurrem with a LOT of jewels overthr course of their relationship. I think it’s more representative of just how much of an upstart hurrem was. I forget if it’s happened in the show yet, but hurrem became suleiman’s legal wife, although it was after Hafsa Sultan died (sulieman’s valide , called Ayse in this show for some reason?). the thing is, ottoman sultans NEVER married. hurrem was, from what i understand, the first empress of the ottoman empire. by doing this, suleiman elevated her over all other women in the ottoman empire, including his own family members. it’s true, mahidevran sultan was very very mad about it, but suleiman’s valide actually respected hurrem a great deal. tl;dr: there was no actual issue with the crown in history, so it’s more representative of the unprecedented power she had. also one of the first women to have a crown, so there might actually be a fight about it that we don’t know about. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@caro-i8p ottoman sultans did marry Mehmed II dad Murad II had many wives i think over time the sultans just ended up not marrying and just made relationships with their harem
Ottoman Sultans is prohibited to marry that's why they all mad to hurrem because sultan did marry her and that he broke the rules just for hurrem and now she's the only legal wife of sultan.
Mehidevran wasn't even first... and acting like Hurrem took him as he was Mehidevran property... girl have your place in the line and shut up ... she's so annoying... playing a victim card yet she was the one who tried poison a pragnant woman..
Is almost impossible to love & stay by the side of the people that have 100% frustated life, even if they were good. Mahidevran is not incapable, a failure or none of that. Is a combination of thgs, it was the Sultan decision, others people's deeds, & Hurrem's personality: she did anythg to reaching what she wanted.
True! Tbh, I love mahidevran and hate hurrem bc hurrem as done WAY worse things to everyone in the palace! Except, suleiman could have EASILY stoped her. I get that he fell in love but family comes first, especially when your a sultan
Mahidevran is always complaining or crying or looking for revenge...all the while playing victim card...as if she forgot what she did to gulfem and then to hurrem...she tried killing hurrem multiple times ...still complaining I wonder...if the Sultan has his previlege to keep an harem full of girls for his service....isnt he entitled to have his own choice?? If he fell in love with hurrem and vice versa...can anyone really force him to share his bed with someone else whom he doesnt want to forgive?? Mahidevran was the start of the fall of the great empire😎
The problem is Sultan Sulaiman love hurrem more than anything,, tidak ada alasan lain.. Dia mencintai hurrem begitu pula sebaliknya, dan itu jadi pilihan Sultan, jadi bukan salah hurrem...
Why are they so jealous of hurem... It's custom in harrem that sultan can have anybody from there nd can raise children from them nd he merryies hurrem nd she is still a concubine you cannot be favt to him it's your weekness .
Mahi learned to be that brave from Hurrem! :))) But of course she can`t DEMAND anything from Suley or from anybody, - because she IS NOT Hurrem! :))) It takes much more than JUST bravery (or bitten ego) to win somebody`s heart and to turn bad situations out back in your favour! Everything is well deserved by everyone here. There`s no place for infantile blaming. Everybody creates their own destiny. If you`re jealous that someone`s a sorcerer and winning because of that, - then become witchy yourself! :)))
Feels like by continuing to invite her to his chamber he was at least trying to save her face and have a relationship with Mahidevrean like he has with Gulfem but all she did was cry
What suffering, the man didn't want her anymore, he haven't slept with her since episode 4, he only call her to his room so she doesn't lose faith in the harem, my girl suffer because they couldn't control her,she speak her mind rather she right or wrong.
I love how Mahidevran says she wont be silent anymore. When were you ever silent? EVERYONE hears your whining and crying, and their sick of it. Hurrem beat you out, and you cant stand it. And even worse you don't even have enough pride to get back up and fight back!
לא חבל מהרידוראן.לכעוס כל הזמן זה גורע.מיופייך הנקמה הכי טובה זה להיות יפה ותאמיני אם היית שמה קצוץ המלך היה משתגע אחרייך עדיף החה אם היית.מבקשת לחיות בארמון אחר ולהנות.יותר מהחירות
And her anger cost her Mustafa in the end. If she focused more on securing his future and less on beating hurrem he could've won the throne and she'd have won. Sad
I underestimated how women fight each other before, i skipped lot of this and only focusing in more serious matter , today i learned something usefull, but it csn't tell you
Midrvan is a foolish, spiteful, nasty Sultana and she'll deserve whatever dhe causes. Hirrem is a free woman & married to Sultan Suleman. She knows she has no hope of being with Sultan now that he's married. Hurrem was right! Midrvan ruined a special moment for Hatice & Ibrahim. She should be ashamed of herself!
Hurrem is selfish and killer. I dont like her start the show. Yes, she captured and all her family are murdered. You want to be Sultana, fined! She is two faced and acted. Why she not compromised and let Suleyman go to care Mahidevran... Suleyman must fair to give attention between Mahidevran and Hurrem. But, Hurrem want more! How ruthless and greedy she kills Mustafa only want her children ascend to the throne.
Your saint hurrem burned marias face send a poisoned smake to isablle then throgh her alive in the sea Those to called crimes And special moment for hatice hurem killed her first borm
@@marymofid2005 You keep saying that, but it keeps being untrue. *Hatice* killed her first born child because she fell asleep while breastfeeding. The show literally makes a point of saying that's the case rather than the child falling ill.
so hurrem getting burned, her children being ripped away from her multiple times, being exiled multiple times is not punishment enough? mahidevran's punishment is that the sultan no longer wants to sleep with her that's it
@@treasureikpea yes and everytime he forgive hurrem instantly on major sins and hurrem deserved worse than it mahidoran beat her because she lost her 2nd child because of her but blindfollowrs can't see it and say mahi is cruel then hurrem became arrogant always insult mahi when she is just a slave and mahi is queen beat and burn nigar face beat khadija sultan many times try to kill mustafa always insult him and her mother on dinning table beat and kill many concubines For all this these temporary punishments and for mahi not only sleep problem he no longer listen to her and respect her hurrem always disrespectful to suleman and he love it but the samething mahi did with manners he punish her 🤷♀️ so what is this yet she is the one who always do black magic for always slept with suleman and power 🤦♀️💀
No matter how much people like Hurrem , Mahidevran created Mustafa , i best & most talented among his siblings . He was perfect which proves that she did her job well while Hurrem’s children were never even close to Mustafa’s perfection .
I love this show, but so often if a woman is successful in some way other women don't like, they all think she must be a witch 😂 only reasonable explanation
I believe Mahi (and others) were allowed to do charity in Istanbul while Hurrem wanted to do charity abroad...Egypt and Mecca particularly. International rules were different than domestic.
This king didn't have brains when it came to the wicked hurrem... Why can't he think hen so many are against hurrem!? There had to be something wrong about her! I wish he had been fair to all his women. Alas. 😥😢
The mob is always wrong so everybody against Hurrem was wrong about her and evil towards her. All she wanted to do was to make friends. He was very fair kind and loving to his WIFE. Forsaking all others and staying only with his wife.
Szulejmán már meg mondta hogy a frigyuknek vége,akkor miért nem veszi észre hogy nem kell a szultánnak.Raplizik,hiztizik.,egy nőnek az a legnagyobb megaláztatás ha vissza utasítják .!!!!!!🇭🇺👵a
You should've been sentenced to death for what you did! No ten years is not enough of a punishment! Stop playing the victim! Maybe then you will have your dignity back.
Mahidevran sent poison, she ruined relationship. Hurrem sent poison to Mustafa, Sulieman is like, oh it's lie of Mahi... Hurrem was beaten by Mahi, Sulieman didn't forgive Mahi, Hatice was beaten by Hurrem, oh Hatice isn't conscious also she hates Hurrem so blamed her
@@carolynphillips2449 he had a mind of his own, could have said no but UK what he did ate the bloody apple, everyone is responsible for their own actions
Mahidevron relied solely on her beauty and status for which she felt she deserved great respect, but respect isn't something you get, it's something you earn. Hurrem knew how to earn it, Mahi wanted it, but didn't command it.
@@cherylvergin1757 That's true, Mahidevran should have been smarter in the series. She was sad and angry and just cried in her chambers instead of trying to seduce somehow Suleiman. Hürrem was also sad when Suleiman was with other women, but Hürrem always found a way to get Suleiman back. I think in real history, Mahidevran was bigger rival than in the series, in the series, she has been neglected so early.