MAHO is Filthy!! (Whose Milling Machine Isn't?) 

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I was taught that too in school. To look after the coolant, grease everything nicely before getting on to it etc. I am in college to become an industrial technician, we get a year of milling and turning (at least 6h a week) they teach us a lot about safety and how to take good care of these. We have 14 kunzmann’s a deckel and a Hermle (5 axis). Along with 14 basic lathes a few mazak’s and some other exotics. Compared to other colleges in similar programs its a lot tougher, requires more elbow grease and discipline. But we go to Germany every year with the 2nd and 3rd year to visit factories to see how they make the tools and machines we use. We learned about the german apprenticeships and vocational program. Some of our professors took home some of the things they learned from the Germans. Every machine was to be checked at the end of the lab, to see if it was greased, cleaned and back in the state we received it. Feeds and speeds had to be written down and calculated properly, as you said. Not pulled from thin air. Formula was to be known by heart. We also learned a few welding processes, cabling of electrical cabinets, how to troubleshoot these, combustion engines and mechanical work like working with couplings, gears, chains and belts. Along with electric motors and transformers. Hence us getting a very “German” way of learning these things 😂 but at least it turns us into careful professionals with discipline, knowledge and attention to detail.

Shiiiiiiit he didn’t buy it & he was on somebody else’s time. Hopefully they paid him his worth.

@@codygooch510 Oh yeah. He was probably the highest paid in the shop.

I'm not crying I swear

Darryl Machtmes apprentice marks 🔨

Hear Hear!

Me three

Would be nice to have something to follow other than the Marble Machine X

@@NoVideos436 What??....that shit still not done yet???...I gave up on marbles a year ago. He keeps adding in complexities just to create some flashy mechanical part which in my opinion is poor engineering.

@@henri1511 It is a machine to do live performances. Flashy is a design constraint he has to adhere to.

You seem like a nice guy, Manuel, can we be friends. I dont have any German friends.

ATLHooligan looks like you will continue not having German friends..

@@sirjaye8884 sehr gute hahaha... what's more fun than an automatic Manuel! :)

Fawlty Towers springs to mind, Basil hanging the moose head. Get me a hammer Manuel! Hammer? Hammer? Hammer Sandwich? Whatever you do, don’t mention the war! 😜😂😂👍

Mahos are very rigid and accurate machines... or at least the ball screw machines were. Mr father worked on these machines for 40 years. Maho merged with Dekel, then Gildemeister and later Mori. DMG, maho deckel gildemeister. Does this machine have glass linear scales? *nevermind* lol

I got 10 bucks on the HO!

5 on the CNC MAHO conversion

If it’s skookum, she’ll chooch....

B. But only if he goes back to the fusion-powered iteration. ... Unless ToT does something timey-wimey.

C - Physics Anonymous' lathe rebuild ?

How bout: I have benchtop machines scattered throughout my living room and dining area. :-O

Machine tool acquisition disorder is a harsh mistress. Some day it will be recognized for the truly debilitating illness that it is and there will be support groups and Federal funding for rehabilitation of old mills

Reminds me of a kook I knew once who was showing me pictures of old European motor bikes he had collected. Some were in his bedroom, living room, dining room. I said “let me guess, you’re not married, right “. He was offend.

Mine is "Another piece of new machinery I have absolutely no room for"

@@sicesp Many, many years ago I had a neighbor who turned one of his very large bedrooms into a woodworking studio. He also had very, very, very large (abandoned) wasp's hanging in one corner of his living room; and an authentic (working) Chinese rickshaw in the same very, very, very large living room. He was also a certified, "full-fashion knitter" in the women's nylon stocking industry. 😎👽

Millermon, gotta machine them allll

Something makes me think this guy knows exactly what he's talking about.

@@geraldgepes Quite common in old houses in Norway too, we had sexyer holders tho Change'em for type C automatics

We Germans love fuses and still like to use them in new equipment. A breaker will wear with every trip - a fuse is always new and in mint condition. Also, fuses will prevent idiots from trying to power up broken equipment a dozen times before getting somebody who actually knows what he's doing...

We have them hear in Brazil too. I should say that you can still buy them but they are being fazed out.

@@meosalami5180 There is no fun if you know what you are doing.

The smell of hydraulic fluid after a forklift got serviced was bad enough, you'll probably even be stuck smelling the stuff when you're dead.

@@absalomdraconis Heh. After a stint in network admin, I went back to the family business of earthmoving construction. I’m well acquainted with over-ripe hydraulic, and worse, sealed gearbox oil. The worst has to be the planetary final-drives of excavators… some serious anaerobic action going on in there...

@@vaalrus Shit, just wait until a semi truck blows a wheel seal and you get to smell burnt 80-90 synthetic mixed with brake dust. Lord almighty does that ever smell horrible.

Will probably end in the same way; by throwing away the project and just buying the end result after many hours of swearing and many cut knuckles

I am sure this project will be finished well before Tom Lipton's Etch press project! Also recall AVE old CNC mill project, that was ended up getting replaced with a brand new Haase Mill.

@@guytech7310 Will it beat the Physics Anonymous lathe rebuild series to completion?

@@guytech7310 AVE has two mills on the healing bench! that old cnc mill gathering rust as well as the mazak manual mill that he like 85% fixed, decided he didnt like turning knobs and bought the Haas

Lol that's a slippery slope my friend... Although it looks like it's been like a year so it may be too late..

thank goodness there is no smell o vison yet, that stuff is gross, especially if it has had time outdoors to get leaf litter into the oil to provide extra growth media.

Instantly regretted inventing our Smell-o-vision :(

THanks Barreled!

@@ThisOldTony I think the fact the 'thanks' is spelt 'THanks' makes me the most happy, I got a genuine tpyo :D

The TNC124 is a much more recent control than the TNC121 and often used to retrofit older machines. It is capable to control up to 4 axis simultaneously and has serial interface which allows copying programs from a connected PC as well as drip-feeding them. The nice thing about the Heidenhains is that this can be entirely controlled from the control (no need to initiate the transfer or the drop-feed from the PC). I would try to keep the TNC124 as it is a very capable control (in my opinion superior in most aspects compare to Mach3/4 or LinuxCNC solutions) and able to read the glass scales (which could be a challenge otherwise). Nevertheless not an easy project to add servos....

So there may be a possibility of retrofitting ballscrews and motor mounts from a scrapped MH400E?

@@greggv8 correct, but sometimes is´s even cheaper to buy a MH400E with one of the latest versions of the 432 Control. It is definitely not going to be the fastest but it´s going to be accurate and will get the job done. There is already a postprocessor for the 432control on fusion if you´d like to use this software.

Thanks Paul!

Paul, you are the hero that everyone needs.

@@ThisOldTony and if you still need some translations you might find some pesky germans here lurking around and some of them might even be willing to help...

@@ThisOldTony Pretty sure the 1:1 transformer is a safety feature, there to electrically isolate live wires on the inside of the machine from earth so that theoretically if there's a fault and you end up touching a live output there's no circuit through your body and earth, protecting you. If the live output of the transformer touches the case and gets connected to earth (you said there was some water in the case), then it will be grounded and the "neutral" output will become live. The machine might continue to work (for a single phase at least, I'm not sure about a three-phase system.) Obviously you'd still get shocked if you touched the live and neutral outputs or at the same time-I don't know if there's a fuse that's meant to blow if there's too little resistance between the two, maybe that's why it's not working)

@@mariuss4766 paging Stephen Gotteswinter, paging Stephen Gotteswinter.

why?

Len Conrad you made me laugh

And now you know he is.

Which would be the best we could hope for - tons of high quality content for us :-)

We're all just looking at the same content on youtube, right? ... I like this bubble youtube has created for me.

Two out of three were very familiar so I had to check out what this project Binky was about and I wasn't disappointed!

@@maikeydii Took a lot of courage for you to admit your ignorance of Project Binky. I'm proud of you, son.

If you are expecting a restoration, don't hold your breath.

MasterMilo restores a tank, ToT restores an ol' mill!

@noxxi knox Why can't Tony have both?

There were no tetris models available.

Not surprising they were similar since the "M" in DMG Mori stands for Maho.

@Rickertt did you think bogy didnt watch the same video, and thats the reason he wrote that? asking for a friend..

@@bvs1q Tony mentioned that literally 2 seconds after i posted that comment, so embarrassing... To add something new: The G stands for Guildemeister, a renowned german lathe manufacturer, which acquired Deckel and Maho in 1994, became a stock company in 2002, and started a cooperation with Mori Seiki in 2004, forming the company DMG Mori AG we know today. Interestingly after the merger, the old production sites were not closed down and exist as saparate organisations within the company. They even retained much of their original specialities. Guildemeister is still producing lathes in their factory in Bielefeld Germany for example.

Maybe it has to do with the fact that he is not a real machinist and you are?

You can buy one for 3500€ here: www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/maho-mh-400-mit-tnc-135/1221618255-280-2724

But with a TNC135 it's nearly useless... and because of the weird axes drive and the vario drive for the main spindle quite hard to convert to a modern CNC machine. The Maho C, E and S ranges (most with Philips 432 controls) are better suited for a conversion.

Jan-Albert van Ree I was gonna say Old Tony should just chuck this and get a 600 with a 432 controller. If he’s a lucky old tony he can look for a Deckel FP3, would be a better choice since the horizontal spindle axis seems to confuse him 😂

Why a lowly 600? The ultimate Maho is the MH1600S, with rotary table and tilting head :)

I still have buyers remorse for him.

He's not going to "refurb" it.

I always thought it was Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start. I dunno though, you kinda sound like you know what’s going on😉

@@MrJeepinZeke If you do that you unlock some minigames but don't tell someone.

Well, I liked after watching the video, but I've never seen a TOT video that wasn't excellent.

i always hit like on his videos first and then watch. never been disappointed with his videos.

Ooh ! How do you say retro-encabulator in German ? I bet it sounds awesomer.

@@luke_fabis nice ! Very heavy-metal sounding ! Thanks.

Jean Roch there is no german Word for it

@@Bigtroosh you're surely mistaken. The Rockwell retro-encabulator is sold all over the world.

@@Bigtroosh ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RXJKdh1KZ0w.html

I don't know about 'line reactors' but my brain said 'common mode choke' when he said it wasn't a transformer.

@@Shaun.Stephens Same basic idea. Just more power (and beefier construction) than what you'd see for a common mode choke. Basically the same deal with contactor vs relay.

@@PeregrineBF Thanks. My experience is with smaller electrical and electronic gear, hence the terminology I used.

Definitely a line reactor. It's used to provide impedence between this machine and the source powering it.

And on that note, the effect of bypassing it will be potential damage to any upstream/downstream control electronics and the motors themselves. Maybe not immediately, but lifetime will be reduced; however, since most of that is already past its prime, TOT may be looking at damaging things quickly. Don't run long without proper drive components, or your motors may give up their smoke, Tony!

A winter, some winter, same winter. Schedule met.

I hope he is going to read that

In an open syllable the a becomes strong(long), like in "ha ha ha" the same for the O, Like the O in Santa's "Ho Ho Ho". Besides that if after a vowel comes an H the vowel is pronounced in its strong(long) form by default in German.

I just realized how ridiculous the word "robot" must be to non-native English speakers.

@@naota3k But you do know, that it´s of russian origin?

@@naota3k ​ Here is some more weird stuff: "row" ou sound "brow" au sound despite "row" in the word "stew" u sound "queue" u sound but hell of an awkward spelling The more words I think of, the more arbitrary it all seems. Guess there is a reason why people study linguistics.

@@raudi42 I did not.

LMAO

Expert here: the secret is not asking before buying...

It's easier to gain forgiveness than it is permission. 😉

When asked did you just get this? The answer is always no, why do you ask? I've had it a long time. As the semi is pulling out of drive way and I'm taking selfies with the new tool.

@@tysleight lmao I just pulled that trick this past weekend, "yeah I've had that thing for months baby, I got it before summer started even" It works 60% of the time, everytime.

Hab ich auch schon vorgeschlagen. Hab Heidenheim programmiert :)

Same here, I would be glad to help you out!

Bald haben wir genug Deutsche Zuschauer das jeder seine eigene Seite übersetzen kann :D

I am also here for translating. :-)

ToT Translation squad... Count me in :)

he said he's gutting the old electronics, pay attention.

@@dimitar4y yeah, I jumped the gun a bit, still relevant information on any CNC though. I run into this issue a lot at my current place of work.

@@geraldgepes You must be at a crappy budget place with an asshole of a boss. Every CNC place I've applied to work, and had broken down machines, I've gotten mysterious sacked for asking about the broken down machines. It's like being in a house with an abusive drug-dependent alcoholic father. He thinks he has to stay dom/alpha and beat up anyone who "looks at him funny" or points out his "mistakes". Shops like this produce crappy parts that get people killed on a daily basis. Except the companies that buy are too dumb to sue.

@@andrewyork3869 Who's throwing away a fine machine? Tony's gutting the old electronics because he wants to update its CNC capabilities to simultaneous 3 Axis work (potentially 5 axis in the future) with ability to read GCode off USB/Drives. The current one is damaged in unknown ways, and is only 1.5D milling. Seriously, are you drunk or did you just woke up?

@kerryithm2 The current system uses proprietary hardware with RAM chips that keep the data on them, with no programming to offload it AFAIK. You'd have to install a UPS to keep it powered, and add in a botch wire to pause the program if the power gets cut off to the machine. Unless the manual talks of a hidden backup feature. Modern machine control panels, I think, should have auto-backups, and on re-powering it'll require an operator to review before resume. Community made CNC projects don't back it up though. USB cables aren't very good at noise absorbtion, and those motors are pretty noisy (electrically). 3D Printers getting their code on USB wire can get crashed by a single motor running in the adjacent room. Even a tiny dremel.

He is not going to do a "restoration/rebuilding". It was clear in the video that he intends to use this as a base and build something modern and useful.

And Wintergatan is best with Episode 97 of his Marble Machine X

It is called Delayed Gratification!