Why is every Sims 4 update like a monkey's paw deal? Like they get it 70% right and somehow there's a tiny mistake that can either break everything or leaves it feeling... Wrong?
@@PleasantSims I haven't seen this talked about much but there was a discussion at reddit where people saying Snowy Escape broke traits. Like sims being cold when they have the iceproof trait. www.reddit.com/r/thesims/comments/k5xhhg/but_why/ Maybe you could do a test?
@@jada7143 i was having this issue too try moving the file "GameVersion.txt" out of the sims 4 folder ( i put mine on my desktop) that seemed to fix the problem for me
I don't want to say I knew it, but I knew it. People were fearing their cc skins would break while I cry about my Sims having babies with wrong genetics.
I'm irked by both. I would've been okay with dropping my CC skins and maybe fixing my older Sims to have the new tones (otherwise I'd just wait to download the updated CC before playing them again which sucks but is less effort for me), but this means there's truly no point to playing any of my older saves right now, other than my CC-free build save. I love playing with Sim families and even for newer saves, I know this is going to be awkward. I love genetic variation but not when it's broken. :(
You know what though? In retrospect, this might be the perfect time for me to start playing the 100-Baby Challenge. Too slow for actual science (plus awkward since the fathers won't be in my family to easily check their genetics) but the more I think about it, the more curious I am, especially since one comment suggested it's possible the devs created an algorithm that's truly random, rather than simulating randomness, thus not what humans expect from probability. I still suspect the code might be a little wonky, particularly the Cool tones when paired with themselves (since they had to change a lot of code to include the new tones and try linking them to any genetics system) but either way, I can play with toddlers without getting too disappointed and it should still be really challenging and fun (I hope!) The hard part will be staying dedicated but I can't play most of my old saves anyway (I had a lot of custom skin tones that weren't skin details.) XD
0:28 Love the fact that the main menu is changed for the third time I think and every change looks more and more like pop-up ads on the web than showing sth useful for users.
I haven’t played Sims 4 in a while and from my knowledge of high school level biology, they don’t seem to have testers anymore and have forgotten baby level biology. I really hope Sims 5 is gonna have Sims 4 looks, Sims 3 gameplay and Sims 2 storyline’s and everything else pretty much
How amazing would it be if a game, based on life, had genetics, also based on life? EA is a multibillion dollar company that can't even use the wikipedia page for how genetics work.
Sounds like some of these Sims are going to be on Maurey Povitch. "In the case of Joey Pancakes ... Bob, you are NOT the father!" Eliza starts crying, Bob gets all pissed. Eliza starts screaming "It's not my fault! It's the genetics glitch! Blame EA and Maxis!"
That was a bad aesthetic choice I suppose, intended to like a smooth transition from leaving the CAS. Even the main menu used to emphasize this sequence, at least imo. Kinda cool on theory, dull af in reality.
and it really sucks too because this makes the game slightly unplayable until its fixed. at least im the sense of family generational lets play unless u want to go into cas and guess the genetics yourself. I'm gonna hold off on my sims having kids until its fixed but im kind of disappointed 😢
In the newest video of Marticore, she also pointed out that changing the tone of one skin with a slider with both parents (in her example they had the same skin, but one had the slider max to the left, the other max to the right) also brakes genetics - the child gets either a skin of the mother, or a skin of the father. No mixing at all! Why bring these sliders when they are bugged like this?! Yet another bug to add to your list
That happened to me. I made a couple with very different parts of the slider and my game freaked out. I had kids who appeared to be the same skin tone and slider area as the dad (pale, warm, far left slider) and never the mom (dark, unsure what section, but I think neutral, far right slider). It was quite frustrating. Actually, I think one of the kids got a random pale in the cool area. But I can’t check, because once I use the slider my game doesn’t acknowledge that they have any skin tone.
@@calystaacollida8387 I kinda feel that unofficial community patches are supposed to be a thing after a game is no longer supported by its original dev team... As much as I'm thankful for the modders, it's work that they shouldn't have to do.
I'm still pretty sad they didn't do anything similar for hair, I used to love making my own colours in the sims 3. Especially for brown hair, as all my family has really ashy brown hair so chocolate brown really doesn't work...
EA, I really really REALLY want to know why it's so hard for you to literally just assigne unique values to your color variables. MAKE. IT. MAKE. SENSE. PLEASE.
As someone with light, cool-toned skin, my sim literally looked like a CORPSE. It was pretty disheartening... Don't get me wrong I'm really glad that the darker skintones got improved on because it was long overdue, but I want to speak to whoever was in charge of the lighter neutral and cool skintones because I have WORDS!
Do the developers test their game before releasing it?? It drives me crazy that a RU-vidr notices bugs faster than the developers. Or maybe they know them and plan to fix them later? 🤔
At this point, I'm almost certain they don't play or test this game; it's impossible with the amount of bugs and how often this game breaks. And that's really unacceptable for a game of this caliber and this age; after 7 years, it shouldn't still be this bad.
Why do they never make a normal looking skintones? Like idk use fenti foundations as your base or something, just don't make them purple and olive than call them natural colours...
I don’t see anything wrong with green and purple undertones. They are normal, you just don’t consider it that way because you don’t usually see people like that.
@@what-iw5dv Yeah Hiii that’s me. I’m olive and pale as hell. They call me the green ghost. On green aka olive skintones. There is the whole Mediterranean with medium skintones and olive undertone saying Hi
I feel like the range is weird too. Like you go along the row and it gets darker, then lighter again, then darker... it's like just a pick 'n' mix of colours when it comes to the children. I'm SO glad I don't play TS4 any more.
The whole thing with the genetic producing only fair skinned offspring in the sims is that in irl darker complexions are dominant over lighter complexions to if a light person and darker skinned person have a child it wall almost always be dark skinned. I wish the sims would take real genetics into consideration. But the skins in my opinion are actually decent.
Scientifically, it does make sense. Neutral Skintone is a combined tone of warm and cool. So, genetically, a cool toned parent and a neutral toned parent could get a warm toned child from that neutral the parent has.
Yes, except it seems to be way too persistent? And the two cool-toned options also went warm most of the time. Unless it's just odd luck with true randomization it seems like the cool-tones were mostly left out of the coding for certain scenarios. Would maybe need 100 random results to be sure but I'm assuming she did this multiple times before making the video.
im pretty sure i saw a guru tweet once that after updates or releases they go home, play the game for a bit as a consumer, and they themselves said they think 'ah i wish we couldve fixed that, " and found alot of problems on their own. so i think ur right 100%
I love your analysis. You're always honest and critic, not destructive, but constructive. Other sim youtubers seem to be excited for every new thingy, but you're always fair and I completely agree on your thoughts. It seems to me that the The Sims 4 is a beautiful shiny box with nothing inside.
The "in between" "genetic system" it's really annoying, you'll almost never get a child with the parent exact skintone (that happends in real life), and they're almost always too pale.
Yeah, my first thought on the huge cover art replacing reasonably sized icons was that all the DLC that keeps getting piled onto the game warrants a sizing down not a sizing up. Maybe this will postpone me feeling like I have to get Snowy Escape.
I don't understand why they moved the packs. Seeing the sales on the front page always made me consider and sometimes even MADE ME buy new packs because it was one of the first things I saw. It actually worked! What's the point of clustering the page so much I want an adblocker for it?
I don't know, but I'll be doing more experiments to see how it works out. The children seemed to have different facial features, but the same skin tones were used over and over.
Omg- in my experience- its kinda like that- because I had a sim with a warm skin tone and another with a cool skin tone- everytime I made them have children- no matter what- they always had a gray kinda skin tone- though what was odd to me- is that I wouldn't tell me what skin tone they had- but then again- this could probably just be something with the playstation version- idk- I just kinda wanted to comment- 👉👈
I prefer sliders to color wheels tbh. It's more streamlined. I really hope they implement it in a lot of other aspects of the game, like in build mode generally, hair colors etc. - The sliders just don't make me feel like there're TOO many options.
I'd say we could use multiple combined sliders (for example a RGB one) so that we could get endless combinations but also have it easier to use than a color wheel
I think some of us see other skin tones that aren’t what we usually see as weird, for example an olive skin tone to me is absolutely normal, but for others they call it green for some reason - so my point is that maybe a skin tone will look “unrealistic” to you, but to others is completely normal. Obviously not always, but most of the time.
In real life tho I feel like neutral, warm, and cool tones aren’t even always passed down. I feel like it’s mostly about the blending of shades rather than the tone of the actual shade, am I wrong ?
It more so refer to the actual undertones of the skin. Everyone in my immediate family have warm undertones. However, the same shade of skin is easy the find in my family too. My mom, closest sister, aunt, my niece, and one of my brothers (they’re twins) are all basically the same shade of light skinned brown. My mom, the other twin brother, and my maternal grandparents are all the same shade of mid toned brown. Whereas me, my dad, paternal grandparents and oldest brother are basically all the same shade of dark toned brown. My boyfriend and his family have cool undertones. They also all have the same shade of skin too, his mom is a smidge tanner because she loves in Florida and loves the beach. My boyfriend can’t tan though, he sunburns immediately. The real test will come when my boyfriend and I have children. He has cool undertones, I have warm undertones, but also we’re in an interracial relationship. He has blonde hair and blue eyes, I have black hair and brown eyes... Both of our family just doesn’t know how the puzzle will click.
I love how other developers look at a broken feature/issue and say "yup, we saw a problem and we fixed it..." But when it comes to EA they seem to look at a broken feature, spend a few months arguing about how they can't fix it, then attempt to fix it, and say "yep, we found the problem and we fixed it... buuuuut, we broke something else while doing it. Enjoy!"
But why do the genetics also clearly favour light skin? I feel like if a black woman and a white man had a child, that child would probably not be able to be as light as the father? Or is it just me?
No, it is definitely a problem. It is almost impossible to get a darker skinned mixed child. I'm very disappointed by that. But the good news is The Sims team Tweeted today that they are aware of this and investigating it. I hope that means it will be fixed soon.
Instead of like 50 variations of each tone, it might have been better to go with like... 10-15 of each tone like what they do with foundations. I mean, it just gets to the point where there are definitely colors they should have axed.
I think the problem is that they have each tone for warm, neutral and cool, which might have been done due to genetics. So if you have a cool tone that has quite a lot of red it can look fine but then you make that tone warm and it looks orange. Or you have a warm tone with quite a bit of blue that turns purple when becoming cool. I think they maybe need to blacklist them. So they can exist within the logic of the game but when they get randomized it defaults to an acceptable tone next to it.
legit like its better that they give all these skintones even if she thinks they’re ‘weird’, it could be someones skintone lmao. Also like just because your parents have warm skintones doesn’t always mean you’ll end up having warm tones
the skins are so much brighter than the clothing, it almost seems to either glow above the clothing and make up or swallow them. but overall I do think it’s better than what it used to be. I hope they fix the genetic flaw because this is really annoying.
I am gonna say that the update is a welcome one. And I’m glad it exists. I’m glad more Sims players can feel represented. Some things I genuinely am fearful of is people heaping praise on EA for this when it absolutely isn’t warranted. This was an issue for over half a decade that they only started giving a damn about when large (and white) influencers started saying something about it. I didn’t see anything done until I saw Plumbella and Lilsimsie’s videos. Do not praise someone for doing what should have shipped with the game. I do recognize it’s a step in the right direction, and I encourage them to keep going. Farming, babies, cars, bunk beds. We want that. But I’m not gonna shower then in praise for simply doing the right thing. But of course there’s a bad bug. EA only cares about money over quality. They’ve done this before. Glad we have Cindy here to do her thing.
Aah EA never fails to disappoint us. I was afraid this was going to happen, my reactions to the Sims have been Meh or Ew so yeah I am a family style player, I feel like I can't play until they fix this genetics mess first. Thanks for another informative video!
3:26 I made a sim with that skintone just because of that xd, he is supossed to LOOK like a vampire, while his pretty normal looking friend IS the vampire, I thought it was funny
Some of the skintones that you think look off, I completely disagree. Some people have skintones that look just like that. I have known them. Some people really have red, orange, gray, even green undertones in their skin.
I knew you were going to have a field day with this as soon as I saw Deligracy's video. The genetics is HORRIBLE. I could never play a game with genetics that bad!
@Alika Fifi I like Deli but she definitely doesn't bring up the problems with sims 4 as much as she should as a representative of the sim community. It might be partially her playing style though. Unlike most players she can just make shit up like it's nothing and doesn't struggle too much with letting her sims make decisions as she gladly does everything for them. She's also, putting this in the nicest way possible, very easily amused.
It really seems to favor lighter skin tones too. Generating about 20 sims of a very light skinned mother and dark skinned father seemed to result almost always in the mother's skin tone or ones just slightly darker than the mother's.
I wish they'd enable the custom skintones again. I had both overlays and straight up custom swatches, but i can't access the swatches anymore. would it really have been so hard just to include modded skintones in the miscellaneous category?? otherwise, it's a really impactful update. glad they addressed it.
Ah, yes. New update, new bugs. How am I excited to see my generations with broken skintones genetics. Thanks you EA😒 By the way, your hair is so gorgeous!
Genetics was a major oversight. I also found some of the darker warm skin tones looked absolutely red or even purple during game play when they were tweaked with the sliders. Sims 4 is always one step forward, two steps back.
Tbh with how long the POC have voiced wanting better representation in the Sims and gotten ignored by EA (and honestly wasn’t even acknowledged by the community at large BLM became popular) I just can’t feel much sympathy for people complaining about undertone genetics. I mean yeah it could be fixed but I just got never want it to be lost what it took for people to largely care about complexion in the gameplay. Good Video!
No, you're right, it IS possible, but in the game, most people are going to expect a certain range for their sims if they pick certain tones. Like in the previous games. I don't think it's horribly bad, but not what people really hoped for.
Oh they are. But I think what most people forget is that there are over four variations that can happen when a child is born. Aa AA Bb BB Ab AB Ba BA And thats just for the mother and father, not even taking into account lingering genetics from their parents, and their grandparents, and their great grandparents etc.
Something to note: if you trying to show that the *Base* game is broken, do it without any mods, especially outdated, so we know none of the base game scripts are interrupted.
@@PleasantSims it's not personal, it's just an official ways of how bug reports are made. "Butterfly effect" of modded scrips - for report to be considered as valid it should be performed in unmoded game. Also "technically" all mods that was updated even one day before patch are considered unstable, even if they seem to work smoothly. Thats what my inner programmer says. As for me - I believe that none of your mods has anything to do with this issue.
Thank you SO MUCH!! for always speaking from a place of honesty on all things Sims 4. It’s so crucial and important that you make videos like this. Thank you!
I'm from Northern Europe and I know a lot of really pale people, but never have I EVER seen a person who's... Purple. I'm guessing you're pale, but not quite that shade. The shades they added are nearly there but not quite natural.
I have to wonder if they tested this at all? Weird colors for sure; unless you want red, yellow or purplish Sims. Also in my game the makeup on current Sims all has to be fixed because the skin color changed, making the makeup look weird on them. Way too bright!
"Some of the lighter neutral colours look really weird, like this looks like a corpse to me" ... Dear Pleasant Sims, please looks back at your video and compare your skin tone to the one you are comparing to a corpse in that very moment. It's almost poetic 😮
She has pink under tones she does look a corpse, tho sometimes depend on the device your on some people skin looks ashy. For intense I look ashy on some devices. But real life I have pinkish, yellowish tones. It is weird looking. Because cool tones have pink tones. Personally I like don't neutral tones or cool tones that choice they don't look realistic but like said some device don't pick up color well.
Speaking of busted genetics in Sims 4, I had a family that had 3 kids, all boys, and I didn't realize until they were adults that they were all identical 🤦
13:46 I was practising for my physics exam just now and immedietly thought, "Well cuz negative multiplied by negative equals positive," (Did I phrase that right? My English lags a little)
You can add drama by having the father accuse the mother of cheating when you get a completely different range (such as Cool + Cool = Warm). But yeah. I agree and understand why this is just....I have no words.
Just saw a tweet from Sims saying they “are aware of the genetics selector issues in the Sims 4” and are “investigating it”! Posted four hours ago today so thought I’d swing back to this video to let you know!
I’m sooo happy that you speak about the flaws of this update!!! Seeing all of these people hyping up this update on twitter even though it has definitely some issues is kind of frustrating.
they should've just worked on a colour wheel for the entire cas/buildmode. d o n e. no issues, no bs, just a beautiful wheel of colour. I wish they had a slider for gameplay too, ya know amp it up..hahha.
The alien skin tone genetics are completely messed up. They removed one of the alien skins (the grey one), and depending on the parents' combination of skins (I haven't been able to figure out the patterns behind it) the child randomly generates with a human skintone. Idk anymore man.
Does the skintones update apply to Alien skintones? I haven't seen anyone address this & my sister, with COVID Pneumonia, has the computer so I can't update my game.
Notice how when you chose a dark skin tone vs a lighter one, it would almost always be lighter? Yeah that REALLY bad, someone else tested it with babies, they had twins and guess what, both a pale as a sheet
So many things have changed over the last 6 years but we still have The Sims 4. Even in 2021, The Sims 4 will still be the same: new packs with shallow gameplay. I'm just done with this game at this point.
One of my townie families had two parents with warm skintones, one lighter and one darker. Their child had a darker mid-range cool skintone, one of the purpley ones. It looked absolutely horrible and unnatural compared to her parents. So the warm skintones don't seem completely fine either, unfortunately.
The sims 3 has had skin tone sliders for way longer than the sims 4, and while the genetics aren't perfect, they're at least amusing (light orange skin sim having a kid with a dark skinned sim and their kid looking like a carrot). The sims 4 needs to catch up. Also, why do half of the new skintones look green? I have no idea how they can't figure out how to make skin look realistic. Is there no testing done?
Luckily you got your cc to work... Mine? I can't enable cc at all. So I'm stuck playing with base game eyelashes, eyes, hair and skin... :( Help, I don't know how to fix it. I press enable and apply changes, and then exit. When I come back, its like I didn't press apply changes at all! Even though it's always there in settings BEFORE I restart... What can I do to fix this if you even know?
I feel like my sims look really shiny, like really really shiny. This was even before the update I don’t notice that on anyone else’s game though, is it just me?
It could be CC if you have any? Try moving your mods folder out and testing the game without it. If that's not the case, check the Sims 4 official Bugs Forum to see if anyone else has mentioned it.
Finally someone talked about the fact that some skintones loon purple/ pink. Im absolutely grateful that darker skintones finally get what they deserve. Before this update, playing a sim with darker skin without custom skintones was impossible, now they look much much better! But now I feel like we just have the opposite problem, now not the darker ones look bad bit the lighter ones! Like you either have them looking like a corpse, look legit green, straight ip pink or purple. I can only legit use the warm row. Honestly I hope the modding community fixed the weird undertones 😂
