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Making a Secondary Alcohol Called Benzhydrol 

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Benzhydrol, also called diphenylmethanol, is an interesting secondary alcohol which can be made via a Grignard reaction.
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@That_Chemist
@That_Chemist 2 года назад
you cannot just TLC stuff with an rf of 0.9 and assume it worked - you need to use a less polar eluent, otherwise everything will come together in one big blob
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
well the melting points also match so it should be fine
@dimaminiailo3723
@dimaminiailo3723 2 года назад
@@THYZOID Why didn't you make the recrystallization from ethanol or methanol? People like to look at "crystal rain" in a beaker so much...
@Sniperboy5551
@Sniperboy5551 Год назад
I love your channel bro
@PepekBezlepek
@PepekBezlepek 2 года назад
this can also be made with the Grignard reaction using bromobenzene and ethyl formate, if you don't have access to benzaldehyde ☺
@dimaminiailo3723
@dimaminiailo3723 2 года назад
Benzaldehyde is much cheaper than the excess bromobenzene and magnesium
@PepekBezlepek
@PepekBezlepek 2 года назад
@@dimaminiailo3723 usually it is, but since the product is a symmetrical alcohol, its good to remember you can make other ones by "self condensation". you usually don't have the exact corresponding aldehyde for any alkyl halide you want to use.
@dimaminiailo3723
@dimaminiailo3723 2 года назад
@@PepekBezlepek It's true, but if you want to synthesise another _substituted_ benzhydrol, e. g. 4-fluoro or 4-dimethylamino. Unsubstituted is questionable
@f800gt76
@f800gt76 Год назад
Oh... I remember one of my university synthesis... it was triphenylmethanol... through Grignard reaction. Funniest part was to prepare Grignard reagent (slowly adding Ph-Br to magnesium in dry diethyl ether. Reaction is exothermic and starts suddenly... one must not miss the moment to put ice bath)
@16ORLvc
@16ORLvc 2 года назад
Grignard is more fun, but reducing benzophenone with Zn powder is easier and a lot cheaper...
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
True but if you don´t have benzophenone grignard is the way to go
@dimaminiailo3723
@dimaminiailo3723 2 года назад
Benzophenone lab synthesis is a kinda weird, especially the purification part. Only pyrolysis of benzoates -- zinc, barium, calcium, ferrous -- looks as promising as it necessary for amateur chemistry
@pe4958
@pe4958 2 года назад
Plus benzophenone isn't an illegal scheduled precursor in certain "united" countries
@16ORLvc
@16ORLvc 2 года назад
@@dimaminiailo3723 I agree, there’s that... but at least it’s commercially available and somewhat inexpensive...
@bromisovalum8417
@bromisovalum8417 6 месяцев назад
Reduction with NaBH4 gives a sparkling white product even before recrystallisation. Zn dust reduction a la Orgsyn works well, but it needs vigorous stirring, and the product came out yellow. It took repeated recrystallisations to obtain white fluffy needles. First using ethanol, then twice with petroleum ether.
@emmepombar3328
@emmepombar3328 2 года назад
06:38 Same with DCM. It's cool, to have it in your hands, mildly heat it and it starts boiling.
@nenben8759
@nenben8759 Год назад
I dont know why, but benzhydrol looks like it would smell fresh
@flaplaya
@flaplaya 2 года назад
Big time organic synthesis very nicely done
@SuperAngelofglory
@SuperAngelofglory 2 года назад
A chemistry teacher I know always tried to recover bromine from the MgBrCl waste after performing reactions with Grignard compounds
@Hasan-cu5sd
@Hasan-cu5sd 2 года назад
I can see an Aussie chemist coming to spank you for calling beautiful yellow product. btw pretty good synthesis love your videos as always Also you should have seem tlc by Tom from cubane series where he uses flame to stretch the capillary tube to make it thinner
@satina1169
@satina1169 2 года назад
Great and educational video as usual. Also very happy that you upload so frequently!
@superioropinion7116
@superioropinion7116 2 года назад
This molecule looks like a bike
@jimparsons6803
@jimparsons6803 Год назад
A clever fellow. The use of magnesium in other reactions powered much of the Swiss economy during the early parts of the last century. Cosmetics and flavorings. And the manufacturing of heroin and meth. The laws and attitudes were much different then. See the PBS Documentary 'WW Speed,' as a reference.
@jozefnovak7750
@jozefnovak7750 Год назад
Thank you very much!
@aupluck9328
@aupluck9328 2 года назад
organomagnesium chemical reactions are always interesting.
@Sepp180
@Sepp180 2 года назад
Dude those spots on the tlc are the size of a tennis ball :D
@oitthegroit1297
@oitthegroit1297 2 года назад
Seeing that tetraphenylethylene molecule reminded me of Gomberg's dimer, the stable, persistent triphenylmethyl radical, as well as tetraphenylmethane. Could you try synthesizing those? :-D Edit: Nice video, by the way! I have one question, however: seeing you use a grignard reagent instead of reducing benzophenone has me wondering if you have no benzophenone?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
Thats correct I didn´t have benzophenone around but I had bromobenzene. Might get benzophenone soon and try another method to make diphenylmethanol.
@brmg7998
@brmg7998 2 года назад
a nmr and hplcms spectrum would be quit convenient.....
@chemicalmaster3267
@chemicalmaster3267 2 года назад
+THYZOID LABORATORIES Do you think you can do an extraction of magnesium (it doesn´t need to be elemental magnesium, a magnesium salt is fine) from sea water?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
If you send me some sea water
@jhyland87
@jhyland87 2 года назад
Any reason you used 4A molecular sieves instead of the more typical 3A?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
I ran out of 3A sieves and didn´t want to go out to get new ones so 4A sieves were used instead
@contomo5710
@contomo5710 2 года назад
@@THYZOID uh sorry but, where exactly would you go to get 3A molecular sieves?
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 2 года назад
@@contomo5710 Ebay
@contomo5710
@contomo5710 2 года назад
@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 didn't know eBay was a local shop in the town :P
@ManicPandaz
@ManicPandaz 2 года назад
Gotta love that yellow chemistry lol
@sciencoking
@sciencoking 2 года назад
I love me some greeknut reactions
@horatiumoldovan4836
@horatiumoldovan4836 2 года назад
Modafinil is a good project over all just make sure you pay attention to the crystal lattice of the final product I got this sorted out years ago so most patents came to me with an optimized or at least played with procedure by another peer like somebody who Isn't me as well as someone else swim SE... Internet litterature work's
@user-dc8em3ou2z
@user-dc8em3ou2z 5 месяцев назад
I keep having a problem with drying ethanol with 3a molecular sieves, everytime I add the sieves after the proper sitting time the ethanol is always cloudy! And I can't filter it out whatsoever! What am I doing wrong? I'd appreciate you're opinion!
@MooreAnalytical
@MooreAnalytical 2 года назад
Your channel is awesome! How the heck do you have all of these great Chems????
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
When you have been long enough into tohis hobby and have the ressources you will gradually have more and more stuff.
@MooreAnalytical
@MooreAnalytical 2 года назад
@@THYZOID really love it man, keep up the great work!
@garrysekelli6776
@garrysekelli6776 2 года назад
That was a big ass funnel.
@tsirolucecomparison871
@tsirolucecomparison871 2 года назад
Well, the reaction to make the grignyard reagent isn't called the grignyard reaction, but the reaction to make the alcohol is. btw can you make more organic synthesis videos?(like a tutorial?)
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
I planned to do more organic preparations soon
@slimp4644
@slimp4644 2 года назад
Wonderful video, how do you plan on doing the olefination? Oxidation and then Wittig?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
probably
@crabcrab2024
@crabcrab2024 2 года назад
Try 3A MS. They are best for drying.
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
Yeah I need to get some though. Only had dry 4A sieves around
@fano72
@fano72 2 года назад
Interessant. How does it smell? Kannst du mal p-toluolsulfonsäure herstellen?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
Das reine ist nahezu geruchslos das selbstgemachte hat eine ganz schwache note benzahldehyd. p-Toluolsulfonsäure? Muss ich schauen
@refluxcatalyst7190
@refluxcatalyst7190 2 года назад
Been storing you Mg turnings close to your acid storage?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
Next to my ammonia bottle….
@shitfuckmcgee8611
@shitfuckmcgee8611 2 года назад
Are you planning on making DPH? I've been planning on trying that sometime in the future.
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
maybe still need to do the complete legal research but so far it seems that it can legally be made given that it is also OTC medicine
@aga5897
@aga5897 2 года назад
Nice One !
@kafkayash2265
@kafkayash2265 2 года назад
Why don't you tey making diphenhydramine(benadryl) using this compound it would be interesting!
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
I might actually make some DPH
@karolus28
@karolus28 2 года назад
cool
@BlueFlameFoxX
@BlueFlameFoxX 2 года назад
What is this used for?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
for making a variety of other products.
@pe4958
@pe4958 2 года назад
thyzoid: *uses benzaldehyde in his amateur chemistry experiment* Me: oof... good thing he doesn't live in the land of "freedom" (Benzaldehyde is an illegal precursor in the United states of quote/unquote "freedom")
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
It isn’t illegal to get it in the us
@andreapaparella254
@andreapaparella254 2 года назад
Wouldn't have been easier a reduction of benzophenone?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
Yeah but I didn´t have any
@tasteofside6661
@tasteofside6661 10 месяцев назад
"greeknart" ? Its Grignard. I spell it like "Grinjar"
@pelegsap
@pelegsap 2 года назад
Just a quick remark: "Grignard" is a French name and is pronounced "Gri-ni-ar".
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
thanks man
@dimaminiailo3723
@dimaminiailo3723 2 года назад
yelow chem bad
@crabcrab2024
@crabcrab2024 2 года назад
Your addition order seems somewhat strange, although in this case it doesn’t matter. Wonderful video anyway! 🧪💚
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