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Making a SONG from a LOOP without boring everyone 

Jameson Nathan Jones
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Loops can be boring. But they don't have to be. Here are some ways I've discovered to get more mileage out of them and turn loops into full arrangements.
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@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Oh and I now have a RU-vid membership if you want to support the channel and watch me make music/sounds in monthly livestreams. Just click the JOIN button under the video to learn more :)
@DrJ3RK8
@DrJ3RK8 5 месяцев назад
This is actually how I write a lot of my music. I design a sound first (as sound design is one of my favorite musical activities). Then start a loop. Then design another complementary sound, and layer. Similar process, but it completely revolves around the sounds that I make during the process. The song structure comes from adding and removing layers. Occasionally I'll layer all of the parts, and then subtractively arrange the parts/layers. Then go back in and add fills, sparkly bits, and other items to make it feel a bit more organic when the parts change. It's kind of a minimal process, but then I really like minimal music. :)
@slimyelow
@slimyelow 4 месяца назад
same here
@snoolee7950
@snoolee7950 3 месяца назад
So the result is "sound effects?"
@DrJ3RK8
@DrJ3RK8 3 месяца назад
@e7950 What would make you think that from what I wrote above? I design analog synthesizers, and write electronic music on synthesizers. I design every sound that goes into my music from scratch. (that's what synthesizers are for) I do also enjoy getting lost in sound creation, as I find it therapeutic though. I did have 14 years of rigid classical piano training by a symphony pianist. However, I prefer to create my own music to reciting classical music. For the past 20 years, I've been writing electronic music of many genres on electronic instruments including my own. And yes, I also make what could be considered sound effects as well, though I generally incorporate them into more traditional types of electronic music also. I write a lot of my music by designing a sound as I said above, then get inspired by that sound, and its possibilities musically. Then procede to make more sounds, percussive sounds, bass sounds, leads, pads, etc. and fill them into a loop before then going onto to edit that into more of a structured piece of music. Sometimes subtractively from that loop, but not always. You probably wouldn't guess if you viewed my RU-vid channel, as most of what I post there are just demo sounds made on the synths that I make. My Soundcloud channel has more of the types of music that I make. Anything from space music to modern electronic styles, to soundscapes and other weirdness. Whatever grabs me on the day really. Edit: Sorry if my opening sentence sounded a bit brash. I may have misread the intent of your question. :) I mainly just wanted to answer the question, but initially felt a little reactive. :)
@edrift3d
@edrift3d 5 месяцев назад
I will straight up loop 8 bars for hours.
@chrisdunne623
@chrisdunne623 5 месяцев назад
Reminds me of Olafur Arnald’s work. I’m always impressed at the way he can put together so much and it not sound like a sonic mud bath. Excellent track by the way!
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Thanks Chris. Definitely has been an inspiration on my work.
@jennisonb37
@jennisonb37 5 месяцев назад
This track is incredibly beautiful. Olivia's vocals put it on a whole other level. It's crazy how the beginning loop is consistent throughout but doesn't sound repetitive because of the techniques you describe in this video. Thank you for posting this!
@lokelosk
@lokelosk 5 месяцев назад
It is so good to know this is a valid technique. Not that it needs validation, but I bet sometimes people wonder "Is it just me doing this? Is this wrong?". I know I do. Videos like this one helps a lot, and also explains how to develop it further.
@bricelory9534
@bricelory9534 5 месяцев назад
I absolutely love this in-depth exploration of a single track - it is really enjoyable to hear your thought processes and dissect your work. It is a very cool view into your creative mind. Thank you for sharing! This sort of arrangement lines up with my natural inclination to think of arrangement (whether loops or not) as gesture.
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Thanks Brice!
@watchaddicts1213
@watchaddicts1213 Месяц назад
6:07 and forward: very nice!! I can't imagine a variety of scenes wherein this is the soundtrack--end of film.
@YoPaulieMusic
@YoPaulieMusic 5 месяцев назад
This is basically how a larger percentage of hip hop beat makers work. They throw all of the elements/layers in there for four or eight measures, then copy paste it all across the desired amount of time, then subtract elements to create variety.
@ErinIsBlueBlue
@ErinIsBlueBlue 5 месяцев назад
The track at the end is very beautiful. Thank you, you're good ;)
@calmster-chillston
@calmster-chillston 5 месяцев назад
Love the harmony!
@ianjamesburke
@ianjamesburke 5 месяцев назад
Really glad I stumbled into this video. Really awesome stuff dude.
@BrailleSounds
@BrailleSounds 5 месяцев назад
Your connections between modern and classical songwriting and production techniques are great. 🙌🏽
@melsplaining4156
@melsplaining4156 5 месяцев назад
Hmmm So instead of listening to my cool loop for 3 hours & then scrapping the patch out of boredom, I could... commit to developing it into a piece? Madness.
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Well….let’s not get too crazy lol
@andy-simmons
@andy-simmons 5 месяцев назад
Man, this one is so good. Really nice example you used there, what a gorgeous composition. Thanks for sharing your thought process behind it all.
@EricRaymondSF
@EricRaymondSF 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Really helpful way to think about composition!
@iamSkiidd
@iamSkiidd 5 месяцев назад
ur always answering the important questions and offering a good perspective. It's easy to get lost when looking for guidance in the music world but I've come to trust you the most
@etoleb88
@etoleb88 4 месяца назад
Great teaching and great composition. Beautiful!
@toussaintthomas8015
@toussaintthomas8015 5 месяцев назад
Your video ideas are fantastic and you do a lot to contribute to this creative space on the internet.
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Really appreciate that! 🙏
@daviHuggMonster
@daviHuggMonster 5 месяцев назад
I am still strugling with arranging basic ideas/loops/sequences and not to make them too boring. But I am learning. These tips can help thaaaaanks . Often I start minimal and then end up cluttering again with often nonsense...
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Haha I do that too. Usually end up adding too much then stripping things away.
@daviHuggMonster
@daviHuggMonster 5 месяцев назад
I will get it..slowly..learning^^@@JamesonNathanJones
@DavidLilja
@DavidLilja 5 месяцев назад
I'm most often composing the most powerful part of the song first, and then slim it out before and after. It's a great way of getting the structure right and, as you say, know that everything will sounds good when being out together. And it's an absolutely beautiful piece you're showing here.
@JumpingCow
@JumpingCow 5 месяцев назад
Informative video. Beautiful piece! This is so along the lines of what I am trying to do.
@synth-eticfantasies5683
@synth-eticfantasies5683 5 месяцев назад
Your videos are always an interesting watch! Thank you for making them!
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching them :)
@constantinory-lavollee3700
@constantinory-lavollee3700 5 месяцев назад
Well done, thanks for your advices !
@jscj2066
@jscj2066 5 месяцев назад
It has been awhile since I’ve listened to this beautiful piece. Thanks for sharing. Olivia has such a beautiful voice!! ❤️
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
She does!
@gsboss
@gsboss 5 месяцев назад
this video came out at the perfect time for me so big thanks
@UCreations
@UCreations 5 месяцев назад
Through the years I bought some tracks from you on Bandcamp, but never heard this one before. What a beautiful track, it's in my cart now (I buy once in few months).
@Elixirmusiques
@Elixirmusiques 5 месяцев назад
Love that transition! Kind of floating from measures 58 to 61; introduction of a 4 against 3 pulse at mes. 62; piano comes in with triplets at 63... Amazing stuff! The fact that the piano does'nt come in at 62 propells the song poignantly. Moreover, the presence or absence of all the different sounds contribute to the story line. Tremendous job!
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Thank you 🙏
@Fiiille
@Fiiille 5 месяцев назад
Really really nice!
@Garnassium
@Garnassium 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for your great videos!
@slimyelow
@slimyelow 4 месяца назад
I have been doing it like this for such a long time it got boring and I began to doubt my motivation. However this injects new creative vigor and excitement. I find relief here. Maybe I am doing all right afterall.
@kimseniorb
@kimseniorb 5 месяцев назад
loop based approach is widely used by frahm and arnalds, even zimmer
@slimyelow
@slimyelow 4 месяца назад
Back in 1998 I created an ambient electronica score for a short film and 2 tracks featured a vocal artist training for opera. I barely had a plan for her parts, but the studio session turned out to be one of the most memorable ones ever. I can only describe it as heavenly. This including Olivia, reminds me very much of what I recorded that day.
@naturligfunktion4232
@naturligfunktion4232 5 месяцев назад
I really enjoy your videos! I actually have tried to implement a lot of the techniques you have discussed previously. I am still a novice, but I can tell a difference to similar songs I made a year ago, to the ones I am working on now. My goal is to successfully make a song with a ABA structure. I usually end up either just A or A then B. Anyway, happy new year and I wish you the best!
@edwinbrown9951
@edwinbrown9951 5 месяцев назад
Thank you. Happy New Year.
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
And to you!
@kunaikai
@kunaikai 5 месяцев назад
The song Misfit Love by QOTSA kind of works off this principle. It does resolve into a b section but there’s nearly 4 minutes of a section looping and building before the b section
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
“I’ll show you all my parlor tricks…” love qotsa 🙌
@FlipOfficial
@FlipOfficial 5 месяцев назад
I am ultra early for this one! Love the video Jameson, keep up the fantastic work 👍🏻
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@Kyle-xk4ke
@Kyle-xk4ke 5 месяцев назад
Loving these videos. Might not be as interesting for you compared to other topics but greatly appreciated.
@m0osebeard
@m0osebeard 4 месяца назад
Love it. "We need 2 main things. 1. The Loop. 2. The other stuff" hilarious. Flat and excellent delivery. I love this guy's videos. Two thumbs up
@zachary963
@zachary963 5 месяцев назад
Has anyone in the comments here talked about Talking Heads? Their album Remain in Light is literally just loops but somehow it sounds insane and engaging all the way through
@geekmastermind
@geekmastermind 5 месяцев назад
I try to be supportive and you reward me by getting 'Bolero' stuck in my head. 🤪
@geekmastermind
@geekmastermind 5 месяцев назад
More to the point, this was a great lesson, and I appreciate it greatly. 'Bolero' has been a 40-year battle of appreciating the brilliant orchestration vs. ohgodmakeitstop.
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
You’re welcome 😏
@birdsofvyraj92
@birdsofvyraj92 5 месяцев назад
Nice video and the song sounds cool as well! Is the second melody on the loop is a counter melody? Or is it something else?
@xSaintxSmithx
@xSaintxSmithx 5 месяцев назад
I love this. I use iterative composition all the time when I produce beats for rap artists to keep the instrumentals fun and interesting the whole time. I also love the term "subtractive arrangement" and I use that technique all the time too. I'm for sure sending this to some of friends just getting into production.
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@fatherbear_418
@fatherbear_418 5 месяцев назад
This is literally a Godsend for me. I’ve been inspired to build out a live performance rig playing guitar and using some plugins from Logic and pulling everything into Loopy Pro on my iPad. It’s so much more flexible than Ableton IMO. but I’ve been getting frustrated trying to balance the linear process of performing each part in a way that allows me to build on it and then subtract as I go along. It probably just takes spending more time on the front end to compose ideas ahead so I know where I want to go, but so often I just get lost in an idea and then struggle to build that idea out live. Definitely going to be checking out your course as this idea has been burning inside my soul for almost 3 years and am just now getting to a place where it feels achievable. Subscribed for sure!
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Thanks Michael! Welcome!
@jimivandebeek
@jimivandebeek 5 месяцев назад
I love this video!
@stevesoucy5932
@stevesoucy5932 5 месяцев назад
I write in very much the same way. I think it was learned that way, because I started my journey in FL Studio (pattern based composing), and when I made the jump to Cubase, I brought with me the same overall workflow. I'll draw in 2-4 bar patterns, arrange, layer, and move onto the next section. Then start subtracting elements and adding flair bits for the different transitions. Awesome stuff, man! Really enjoyed this track.
@detritus666
@detritus666 5 месяцев назад
Sounds fantastic. I've used atonal sounds, sometimes found sounds like recordings from a train station or similar, to create a sense of both continuity and randomness throughout my tracks. Once there was a moment where I'd just recorded some sounds on London Waterloo train station and by chance somebody scraped their chair back at a particular moment that seemed so planned in the track... but was entirely random in the melody that was going on around it.... Subscribed to your channel and will catch up on all your previous vids.... glad to have discovered you :)
@watchaddicts1213
@watchaddicts1213 Месяц назад
5/4 TIME.... my brain goes so haywire trying to playing in 5/4.
@nathanfinnegan522
@nathanfinnegan522 5 месяцев назад
I am inspired. 🙏
@radioforthebirds
@radioforthebirds 5 месяцев назад
Elektron song mode makes it pretty easy to work this way - can have it go through the loop with different combinations of tracks active each time.
@slimyelow
@slimyelow 4 месяца назад
10:10 Very nice.
@applebutter4036
@applebutter4036 5 месяцев назад
My brain keeps wanting to drift off into space whenever he has the song playing. I think I missed some of the concepts.
@markkilley2683
@markkilley2683 5 месяцев назад
Nice walkthrough. Tracks slightly out of time makes the difference
@Lemontree1423
@Lemontree1423 5 месяцев назад
Ostinato. Learned that word today. Thanks for that.
@slavak592
@slavak592 2 месяца назад
Jameson Nathan Jones, please don't stop making videos) also what are you using for choirs?
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 2 месяца назад
Thanks! In this case, I used a real person and multitracked her haha
@We.Are.Lockhart
@We.Are.Lockhart 5 месяцев назад
I belive this technique is quite essential for neo-classical composition, when elements depend on electronically generated loops or arpeggios.
@g3cd
@g3cd 5 месяцев назад
Nice. I actually work the same way, I just didn't know there was a clever name for it (and I have a problem to let go of parts I like and coming to an end) 😉
@PaarthGuptaYT
@PaarthGuptaYT 5 месяцев назад
I didn't know that Bob from I Like To Make Stuff makes music.
@stubrakon9683
@stubrakon9683 5 месяцев назад
There's lots of music a bit like this and its all crap. This is beautiful and involving. I love it. Thanks for showing us the process. However there is an X factor in collaboration and a talent and a care for detail not shown. Great work!😃👍😎🤘
@prospectnyc
@prospectnyc 5 месяцев назад
my dumb ass thought "Olivia vocal" was a plugin. lol beautiful piece
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Haha best plugin ever
@djpuzzleofficial
@djpuzzleofficial 2 месяца назад
Cool videos. What is your favorite piano plug-in?
@ghfjfghjasdfasdf
@ghfjfghjasdfasdf 5 месяцев назад
Skimmed through your stuff on Bandcamp and also listened to the one you work on in this video - am noticing you don’t do much with percussion if anything. That’s gotta make things so much simpler.
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
I’ve done several things with more traditional percussive elements in the past, but have been consciously moving away from it lately. I love it, but it can also be used as a crutch to give a track energy and I’m really enjoying exploring other ways of doing that.
@ghfjfghjasdfasdf
@ghfjfghjasdfasdf 5 месяцев назад
Copy that, sent you a question on Bandcamp…
@Dartagnan65
@Dartagnan65 5 месяцев назад
I always hated "step sequences", but since I got my Pro 3, I've made a bunch that I like. Not that I wouldn't like to get get back to my much longer old Sonar/DAW sequences, but with my limited time, these 'dumb' step-sequences have been fun.
@Dartagnan65
@Dartagnan65 5 месяцев назад
Also... I had this one piece/composition that I sat on for 10+ years before I finally found a second part that would work with it.
@amonster8mymother
@amonster8mymother 5 месяцев назад
I prefer 4 bar and 8 bar loops. With turnarounds.
@waltersir7306
@waltersir7306 5 месяцев назад
Looper is an underrated film
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
I agree
@thebobbycovert
@thebobbycovert 5 месяцев назад
Pretty sure Giorgio Moroder recorded this way. Have a bunch of tracks going the whole time and bring them in an out during the song. This is how I learned how to record. I think its a great technique for pros and beginners.
@jayarbe60
@jayarbe60 3 месяца назад
Klaus Schulze was doing this sort of thing back in the 70's!
@NealCaen
@NealCaen 5 месяцев назад
I have a monome norns, and it’s an amazing piece of gear that can create the most delicious loops imaginable. But I couldn’t help but finally come across the question, how do I take this further? I’ve been stuck for a very long time, and I can’t help but come to the conclusion that I just don’t know my way around music theory and composition. I just play purely by ear, would you suggest going to school for Music Theory & Composition? I’m 27 years old and a part of me feels too old to start but too young to give up?
@OliverMooney
@OliverMooney 5 месяцев назад
I'm 47 and just starting out with composition too. Just do it if it feels right and helps you grow. The right time is now.
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Never too old to start. I would suggest finding artists whose music you really enjoy and try to find any insights into their process. Even attempting to recreate their style can be really insightful (not to plagiarize but as practice). For me, learning one instrument well enough to improvise ideas as starting points has been invaluable. Once you can create starting points, you can begin to experiment with how to develop them and arrange them.
@melvincoleman595
@melvincoleman595 12 дней назад
Sounds like its from a Ghibli film
@jaixiviii
@jaixiviii 5 месяцев назад
Its not add bigger, then bigger and then even bigger drums?
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Then biggest
@jaixiviii
@jaixiviii 5 месяцев назад
@@JamesonNathanJones 🤣🤣 ❤️✌️
@amonster8mymother
@amonster8mymother 5 месяцев назад
Yes loops are boring and not really phrase correct but they are good building blocks.
@KosmoDeuz
@KosmoDeuz 5 месяцев назад
Need more drms 😊
@TommyLoaded
@TommyLoaded 5 месяцев назад
That song does indeed have a sense of purpose and direction. I wish I had purpose and direction. haha jk 69noscope
@Jin-Hu
@Jin-Hu 5 месяцев назад
Hmm the Join button doesn’t exist for me
@JamesonNathanJones
@JamesonNathanJones 5 месяцев назад
Sometimes it doesn’t show up on mobile. It should be on my channel page if it doesn’t show up under the video for some reason.
@audiblevideo
@audiblevideo 5 месяцев назад
Not to belittle the idea or the execution but your loop is an ostinato, yes, or at least acts like one.
@snoolee7950
@snoolee7950 3 месяца назад
Why are you using upper case for "song" and "loop" in the title? Thank God I was raised on Miles Davis and actually playing music. You got a lot of nerve comparing yourself to Ravel.
@DeepThinkingGPU
@DeepThinkingGPU 5 месяцев назад
idon't see the point in this video. just jibeerish click baiting the youngies into thinking you were going to give them a cool vst plugin that can change their boring loop based track, but no, you want to chibby and chobbu and tallky talky with the cinematic swells. thats boring sonny. luv yer grandma
@JosephCarven
@JosephCarven 5 месяцев назад
This particular loop is boring AF, and as a result - the whole video is boring.
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