Making an ASUS CSM Corporate Motherboard into a Cool 100TB GPU Powered Platform

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We go on a journey to look at the ASUS Pro B660M-C D4-CSM motherboard designed for corporate desktop PCs. We take a look at the hardware, then turn it into a cool system with over 100TB of storage and a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB GPU, and 128GB of RAM, and an Intel Core i5 Alder Lake CPU. We also talk about the differences between today's CSM motherboards and the ones we reviewed from ASUS in 2013 in an earlier era of STH.
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00:00 Introduction
01:21 The ASUS Pro B660M-C D4-CSM motherboard
07:05 Building the Corporate Style PC
10:47 CSM BIOS vs. Consumer BIOS
11:22 What is a Corporate Stable Model Anyway?
14:04 Building the "Cool" 100TB Corporate PC with a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060
18:33 Asus Control Center Express (ACCE)
19:10 Wrap-up

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@marcogenovesi8570 2 года назад

That's a very old school approach to OEM parts, kinda looks like an alien in a world where OEMs like Dell/HP/Lenovo make 100% custom and non-interchangeable motherboards and power supplies even in tower PCs

@mentalplayground 2 года назад

BIOS takes me back :)))

@greenman8 Год назад

I love the Idea of making a Machine that looks OEM on steroids. I wish it offered a subtle heatsink for the VRM. I would also love to find a raw/OEM looking graphics card to match. Would be willing to make it on the AM4/B550 platform as well.

@KurtHectic97 2 года назад

i really miss green and simple motherboards for consumers. I don't need rgb and lots of stuff.

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

I agree. I often turn RGB off.

@RyTrapp0 2 года назад

I don't miss the green, but I do miss the simple lol. It's not impossible to make things "reasonably attractive"(black PCBs?) without excess cost, but no one seems to take that middle ground.

@Jeymez 2 года назад

@@RyTrapp0 well each manufacturer does a lower priced version of the 4 main board series low H, intermediate B, midrange H, and finally Z which is the only board on Intel you can overclock, that might not have as much rgb and other goodies as the top board, but unfortunately not having rgb isn't the thing they remove. often times they strip out other things like fewer ports, people to this day still use a mouse and keyboard combo, but some boards eliminate that. now i can do without wifi, but if someone doesn't want rgb and a extra bling but you want a few more ports, unfortunately you have to pay more to get more. now i don't necessarily need a green board, but i do like a simple layout. i think if you want rgb and extra bling, that should be a separate board for people that want one, but they don't do it that way.

@Anakin94 Год назад

I also miss the red, blue, purple... pcbs and the copper heatsinks on the motherboards.

@PatrickKennedy2 2 года назад

Hey guys, brain fart on my part. I had the Node 304 on my mind when I recorded this from another build and I said Node 304 instead of 804. My bad!

@menhirmike 2 года назад

That labeling on the M.2 Ports (PCIe: 4.0 X4, SATA: X, Optane Memory: Y) is really useful on a board!

@ArcardyArcardus 2 года назад

I‘m using an ASUS B460M-C CSM Motherboard. I‘m using it mostly for gaming. But I love it. Because it has a LPT port. And RS232 ports. And it has no RGB which is a huge benefit. And it‘s green. My next mobo will definitely also be a CSM motherboard.

@nathanmiddleton1478 2 года назад

Honestly, haven't built a computer in 20 years so wouldn't know this kind of thing still existed outside of the big vendors. It's nice to see this sort of thing and to have it reviewed. The next time, in another 20 years I need to build a PC, if we are still using them, I'll remember this video and look them up! :)

@CrazyLogic 2 года назад

It's nice to see products like this being reviewed, this could be the same price as a gaming board and some of my clients would still say better value for money - they don't need the RGB ect ect, long term function with minimal downtime is the value they are after.

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

I think a lot of people do not understand this market though. It has very different dynamics as you mention.

@vitoswat 2 года назад

I'd say they are perfect for 24x7 systems for home user. I have 7th generation Intel version which is rock solid still to this day. Works fine as NAS and media server. This was also the only MB back then that worked fine with older PCIe gen 1 card i have. Gaming mobos were refusing to identify it.

@Jeymez 2 года назад

i don't know why but i prefer a simple barebones motherboard like this, that's how they all looked back in the day. i had a board like that in my 99 PC with Windows 98, the first PC i got for my 11th birthday. i had an AMD build later on in 2003 with a Athlon 64, and the motherboard was green as well. manufacturers after awhile started designing boards a little differently by 2008, even then they still had a simple look about them. 2010 is where they started adding bling and rgb lighting.

@-dimar- 8 месяцев назад

I've been using Asus Pro CSM motherboards for years, for anything that's not gaming. They just work well all the time with close to 0 issues.

@ServeTheHomeVideo 8 месяцев назад

I think that is an underappreciated quality these days.

@turokrambo5617 Год назад

I love the boring green board look. I wish they did more of this and maybe the old 90s yellow copper board colors more often

@monkohm6918 2 года назад

That's a really nice little motherboard, the one complaint I have about it would be the lack of a second x16 physical port for adding a 4 port nic etc. I built my home server into the Fractal 804, and it is a fantastic case, the highlight for me, besides all the space for storage was the cap thing for installing the motherboard standoffs, that was quality of life I never knew I needed until I used it.

@lukenfoci 2 года назад

This ASUS mobo is perfect as it is - no need for wifi (if you need it you can add it), no need for more fan headers. This is micro ATX, so will end up in SFF boxes which hardly have one intake fan at the front, and if you are lucky there may be another exhaust one but this is it. I have built recently rigs with i7 12700k (for work and gaming) and i5 12600 for our business. You appreciate these CSM solutions, once of gimmick such as 2.5Gbit NIC such as I225V starts to cause you problems. I spent 2 hours trouble shooting why my PC would not wake up at specific time, even though everything was set up correctly in BIOS/UEFI. And then further trouble shoot I225-V to learn it has some bad habits. You can live with some hiccops on your gaming rig but last thing you want issues with your business solution. So after playing and testing Gigabyte B660I Aorus Pro DDR4 I can definately say that this ASUS mobo seems like a dream for a business. Still need to test it. Just one question - my TFX has only single 12V x4, whereas this one I can see is 12V 2x4 - can you test it with a single 12V x4 plug? Thanks

@TheCapturetheBomb 2 года назад

I ended up picking up the B365m C/CSM version awhile ago with an i5-9400 and have been looking to rehome it in a new chassis vs the very corporate case I was forced to purchase. It seems they added some neat features in the few generations, but it's a shame they don't have additional fan headers. It's a bit of a shame you lose out on some things while the cost of the motherboard is higher than similarly spec'ed models. Even another x16 slot wired in x4 would have been nice to have for 10GbE when the primary slot could be occupied by a GPU.

@BobHannent 2 года назад

On the point about WiFi, there's probably many corporate markets where they specifically cannot buy a device with WiFi because of security considerations. In a laptop that's accepted, but for a desktop or industrial machine they might want security isolation.

@stuartlunsford7556 2 года назад

I thought that RAM kit was wasted, but XMP is supported! Pretty cool.

@TitusM7 Месяц назад

You basically built what i wanted to build only diff is i went with the i5 14500. Came here to check the motherboard before i buy. Thanks

@ServeTheHomeVideo Месяц назад

Yea m. That was just 2 years ago so no 14th gen available. I hope your build goes great

@I4get42 2 года назад

The non-integrated WiFi could make a lot of sense for 1. Cheaper to make (like you said) 2. For customers who don't want WiFi (secure gov site (though I don't know if this is certified for it)) 3. Upgradability.

@SeeJayPlayGames 2 года назад

4. Upsell. One could be added by the integrator as an add-on to the purchase price. At a markup. Mo' money, mo' profits.

@stuartlunsford7556 2 года назад

Patrick, you use the same VRAM capacity argument I did. I have 40GB of VRAM in my system, so I can't have less than that for RAM, went with 64GB of system RAM lol.

@milescarter7803 2 года назад

I miss the green PCBs, definitely easier to troubleshoot when looking at the traces

@atomicskull6405 Год назад

The only thing I would change on this MB for a gaming PC is to add some off the shelf heatsinks from Digikey to the VRMs. Otherwise for a non OCed system this would be fine.

@PsychoStreak 2 года назад

Interesting. I've got a B550 based CSM (Pro B550M-C/CSM) board and it's also pretty interesting. It has Thunderbolt support via an add on card that connects to an header on the board. Saved me the trouble of buying an Intel based board and CPU just to get Thunderbolt, when I had a spare Ryzen on hand. I plan to use the system for media ingest & export, probably adding a small RAID array of 1TB SSDs. A little surprised the B660 version doesn't support Thunderbolt at all, but for a standardized office build it wouldn't likely need it in most use cases. I like the clean layout and having the option of legacy connectors is nice to have, and it wasn't that expensive either.

@davidbragg7153 2 года назад

do you happen to now where the raid options are in the bios of this board?

@MEGAONE302 Год назад

Love my CSM motherboards, just need them to work...

@greenman8 Год назад

I would love to build a gaming system off of this. Looks very retro, No RGB puke, and It does not say, "Look at me I'm 15 My machine is a Gamers Xtreme, and By the way, skool sux!" This and the Asus Pro Art are the only two, that look like they were meant for adults.

@slithery9291 2 года назад

Hey Patrick. +1 for intergrated I/O sheilds. I couldn't tell you how many times I've had to spend hours rebuilding a new system when I couldn't plug the ethernet cable in because of that damn little metal tab....

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

For us, if they are not attached, I can tell you the lab loss rate for I/O plates is not 0%

@Lishtenbird 2 года назад

...especially if it's an SFF/NAS case with half of things on top of other things...

@TDCIYB77 2 года назад

Great video as always! If you could make a video and written article on the remote management options like DASH/VPro/AMDs equivalent that one could use without a dedicated BMC, that would be awesome! I think you could easily reach the 10K minimum viewers goal you just set yourself! Thanks for considering Patrick!

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

Great idea

@TDCIYB77 2 года назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks for considering! A long time reader :)

@javiej 2 года назад

A great thing of latest itx gaming motherboards is that they have so many heat sinks, an integrated back panel, a thick Aluminum back plate, RAM also shielded with its own heat sinks, and other taugh stuff that you don't really need a case to protect it. I have just bought a Z690i + low profile cooler, a GPU, some itx backets and a PSU, and I have wrapped around all the excess cables to protect the few unprotected components. As it has no case it fits in my old 17" laptop bag, and everything is very accesible as a test bench. PC cases create a cooling problem that doesn't exist in an open frame, and that makes mini PCs much bigger and more expensive than they should. In Elon style, best case is no case!

@SeeJayPlayGames 2 года назад

that only works if you have no pets. And also be careful to not short out anything.

@javiej 2 года назад

@@SeeJayPlayGamesFortunatedly I have no pets. In fact my only concern is having an electrocuted wife due to holding it wrong (she thinks the new computer is for her, otherwise she wouldn't let me put this thing in the living room...). But I'm working on solutions for this problem

@BansheeBunny 2 года назад

Nice little workstation. 5 minute mod. You could use both PCIe 1x cards if the 2.5Gb was installed in the slot and the SATA was mounted to the rear grill and connected with a 1x riser cable.

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

Great point. I did not have one handy though :-/

@RyTrapp0 2 года назад

Just did this with a WiFi card on an mATX B450 board. Took a few purchases to get the exact right riser, but found the perfect one with a 90° and a reverse 90°, plugged it in, and everything has worked great. Only downside is that I lost an intake fan(InWin 303) because the WiFi card hangs JUST too low, but I may replace it with a low profile fan(hasn't been an issue though). Really clean look with the mATX board though, no excess board hanging off the bottom. That said, it'll be nice to have on board WiFi with my next motherboard though lol.

@shephusted2714 2 года назад

refurbs with gpu, fast net, nvme - the perfect qemu node - the intel cpu fan mounting used to be good - it got worse. this is a great concept and a cue to builders - nvme scales which means cluster can get fast - more iops - smb needs cheap easy scale - first just spin up vms and then build out more nodes #use the index luke

@Lishtenbird 2 года назад

16:00 When I saw the mATX board, I thought - if they're adding both a GPU and storage, they'll get kinda bottlenecked on PCIe bandwidth. Interestingly, this specific 6-port SATA card exists in both x1 and x4 variants, but for a motherboard like that, you won't be able to also use the x4 variant. Practically, sure, only a pretty specific task will bottleneck on like 4 drives simultaneously at the 1x limit of 1GB/s (and that ASM controller might overheat before that), but still a thing to consider if you'll be building something with NAS properties on a business board.

@popcorny007 2 года назад

Nice fun video, good job Patrick! You can get a decent tower cooler for

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

$30 on a $800 PC is 3.75%. That is a huge amount of margin for businesses that are lucky to get 20%.

@technologyanimals 2 года назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Do you really need that much ram though? Is it really going to be utilized at all?

@davidbragg7153 2 года назад

Where in this bios do you find an option to load into RAID? I'm trying to do a mirror using 2 x 1tb red WD 2.5" SSD. No luck finding the option, and I'm using latest bios of 1402.

@stuartlunsford7556 2 года назад

How do they compare to ASRock Rack? I like ASUS consumer, but ASRock Rack seems to be the top dog in pro/semi-pro areas.

@JustIn-sr1xe 2 года назад

I have something similar to this. Just built with a Ryzen 3200G on an ITX A320i CSM board instead. Question though- Bar giving it a 4750G. Would you recommend having an AES 256 encrypted drive paired up with this?

@Wayofthelao 2 года назад

That's tight

@thekakan 2 года назад

I have not had the pleasure to use any sort of modern RGB motherboard BIOS( _thankfully so, it seems lol_ ). Could anyone list some more differences between CSM models and the ROG models? I'm leaning towards the CSM model, for a mostly 24x7 online home workstation, but who knows, maybe the "regular" models have something better... Its so hard to find proper information on the regular ones lol

@__--JY-Moe--__ 2 года назад

YUP! that would be perfect, 4 small to med business. that doesn't need over 3 workstations!

@l3xx000 2 года назад

This was fun! Thanks for presenting this and at first o had no idea how you were going to achieve 100TB on a board with such limited SATA ports. I might have missed it, but can you share what that card is with the extra sata ports?

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

I am not fond of the card being used other than bundled blue cables so I did not mention the make :-)

@l3xx000 2 года назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo ah, understood! I tend to use HDD Sentinel on my WS2019 NAS / Lab box and I know that some SATA cards don't pass S.M.A.R.T. status properly back to the software, so I was curious if you had experience with other add-in cards that might be a bit better. Current build is running on an LSI 9208-8i based card, so still good, but appreciate your perspectives and the case is pretty cool. Thanks for the reply and keep these videos coming!!

@diegojoaquingodoyschaffer9039 2 года назад

I Have an Asus Pro B550M-C/CSM, socket am4 Ryzen 5 3600 and is really stable even with my ram clocked at 3600mhz (2x8 GB Evo Potenza 3200 Mhz stock) I Use for gaming and multimedia and it's work perfect, never like the RGB stuff, in the future i like to convert this machine in a really good server

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

Very cool!

@fiekz79 11 месяцев назад

I used this motherboard in a case with DC fans. I noticed that there is only a PWM mode and not DC in the bios. This obviously resulting in the case fans constantly running at full speed. Is there anyway i switch from PWM to DC. Alternatively use some 3rd party software OR flash the bios to a normal UEFI interface?

@nthed16 2 года назад

That's the Node 804, the 304 is a horizontal mount case (and much smaller)

@serjusg 2 года назад

I was just wanting to comment about that because, I've just assembled a PC in that case not even 5 minutes ago, had the case box still around and threw my eyes to check it up🤣

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

Stickied a comment, it was totally I had the 304 on my mind from building a system in one just before recording this video.

@stuartlunsford7556 2 года назад

I want that LAN card for my Crosshair VIII!

@tassadarforaiur 2 года назад

This board does feel like it would benefit from the ability to run x8x8 with a 2nd full length slot. It seems unnecessarily locked into only allowing a single full size device.

@mjn96 2 года назад

I was staring at vrm all the video. It is scary to even think about i7

@radradR0bot 2 года назад

This would be a good for a sleeper pc

@dj-aj6882 2 года назад

Is there a Chance to use Registered ECC RAM, even if it isn't in the specification?

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

You will want a higher end Xeon for RDIMMs

@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915 2 года назад

Asus should have also sent you the Dash-Lan card for their Pro/CSM Motherboards.

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

I wish we had this!

@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915 2 года назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Gigabyte, Asus and MSI have 'Dash' models, with MSI's not even requiring an addon card. Why do they make them so difficult for the public to purchase ? MSI have a B550m Pro-Dash (with onboard Dash Nic) and I have been trying to track it down for about a year and NO JOY. Are they so dead set on keeping Home Lab guys from buying these for cheapo file servers that they will ONLY sell them in the Corporate Channel in quantity to System Integrators ?

@forgottencameras Год назад

Green board No RGB Yes.

@MitternachtAngel 3 месяца назад

The power was messure at the wall or in software?

@ewenchan1239 2 года назад

I'm having data corruption and stability issues with the Alder Lake (12900K) and Z690 platform right now, so at the moment, I would advise against using the Alder Lake CPUs until they have proven themselves to be more stable.

@kreimer1417 2 года назад

Is this related to the DDR5 RAM?

@jolness1 2 года назад

I didn't know Asus was still doing these. These are pretty reasonably priced and have all of the stuff the average business user has with the benefits of long term support and EOL notice. Love the green PCB too. Not many desktop boards I see have it anymore.

@Sanjay2010mafia Год назад

Nice

@Starky3000 2 года назад

Fractal 304? Sorry I have to point it out, I've got one and it doesn't look like that. Is it possible you have the Fractal 804??

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

Yes. I was using a 304 before I recorded that video so I had it on my mind. See the stickied comment.

@Starky3000 2 года назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo My apologies, I must have missed seeing that "stickied comment". The 304 is a fantastic case as well shame I believe placing that 3060 and 100TB might over do it. Great Review and Video though!

@Hogdriva 2 года назад

take a shot every time he says "practically means" Also is that an LPT header? sweet.

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

What that practically means is that you will be drinking a lot.

@marcogenovesi8570 2 года назад

LPT is "parallel port" or "printer port". That header allows you to create a port to connect ancient devices and was a thing before USB was invented. It is useful only for businness use where you might have ancient machinery that still requires it (which isn't uncommon in industrial or city infrastructure)

@user-lh3uz1cp7y 23 дня назад

I'm looking at the ASUS Pro B760M-CT-CSM model that uses DDR5 for my next build to replace my xp era machine with the intention of using it for the next 20 years but have been putting it off cause of how the manufacturers treat customers so poorly while the computer I have still does everything I need as long as I don't use windows malware. The most recent blackmail scam Asus did however is making me wanna put it off for even longer but I also wanna upgrade before Intel starts forcing ai processors into their cpus or the next new platform locks out everything that isn't the latest version of Windows only installed from certified media.

@jasonluong3862 2 года назад

For a channel that has the name of ServeTheHome, the machines shown here would not usually found in a home. Just like the History Channel whose latest video is on Big Foot.

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

Home is the /home/ directory in Linux, not the building

@jasonluong3862 2 года назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo That makes more sense.

@henderstech 2 года назад

One day ill have an RTX card lol.

@AliF-sk4vk 26 дней назад

Guys I'm getting a green b660 motherboard

@Severedregent 2 года назад

That's a Fractal Node 804. Not 304.

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 года назад

Totally right. Brain fart on my part. I was building another system with the 304 between when I built this one, and recorded the video.

@wsv8818 2 года назад

love the CSM review, I was kind of annoyed with the motherboards being designed for "Gamers". Now if only I could find a board that didn't put on a dozen m.2 slots on it... Just give me the PCI-E slots and I will choose to put in a m.2 PCI-E card..... Way to artificially limit expandability. Wished people would understand what they are buying.

@lekhakaananta5864 2 года назад

I used to think that, but for budget reasons built-in NVME is a better deal. Given that NVME drives are becoming common, it makes sense to include the ports just like one would expect SATA ports. Imagine the cost of buying a SATA expansion card for every MB because they didnt include the ports

@wsv8818 2 года назад

@@lekhakaananta5864 You can find them for 7 USDs on Amazon if you buy them individually on retail. A lot cheaper if buying in bulk. . . No NVME should not be replacing PCI-E slots. NVME drives are not cheap either, so if you are buying half-a-dozen NVME drives, it is reasonable to buy a riser or 2 with x4 NVME slots when compared to your total investment.

@lekhakaananta5864 2 года назад

@@wsv8818 Are there actually boards that put a M.2 where a PCI-e would be though? I've only seen them fit M.2s in the space in between. My favorite layout is the one where the M.2 is on the back of the MB, that space is even more free real estate.

@lekhakaananta5864 2 года назад

@@wsv8818 Oh I see what you mean. I forgot about the existence of 1-slot cards lol. Honestly from my perspective PCIe's most important job is to connect to a graphics card, and most of them are 2-slot these days so a M.2 fits right in between two of them. In addition to that I am probably biased because I am loathe to put additional PCIe cards immediately below my GPU due to it blocking the GPU intake airflow. So I prefer my M.2s either on the MB or have a PCIe above the GPU slot. This is further complicated by the fact that usually the fastest PCIe slot is the first one. The ones below it are older gen or less lanes. So I often end up choosing M.2 lanes on the MB because it's easier to find these than to find a board that has the GPU slot lower than usual and a PCIe for expansion above it. So you can see why MB manufacturers do this, I guess many people have the same set of preferences as I do. It's totally fair for you to want the choice of having your 7x 1-slots though.

@redtails 2 года назад

For all that cost cutting, this mobo seems like it's 100$ too expenisve, it's super bare-bones.

@mentalplayground 2 года назад

AMD version would be perfect for home nerdy server.

@vitoswat 2 года назад

There is also AMD flavor of CSM mobos from Asus.

@denvera1g1 2 года назад

I really want to get a 12600k, a ddr4 motherboard and a DDR5 motherboard. I've got some CHEAP as dirt DDR4 RAM that just overclocks like crazy on my 5700G, ALMOST 5000(4933MT/s) CL17-17-17-28. For samsung B dye at less than $100 at 16GB is a crazy deal. I'd like to see if this ram at stock (4400CL19-19-19-39) and overclocked, would be faster than DDR5. On my 5700G with 1:1:1 timings it is scoring over 73GB/s. For 2 sticks of single rank memory thats pretty darn good, and on par with other people's DDR5 5400CL38 which i believe is dual rank

@davidfarning8246 2 года назад

I would like to highlight that ASUS is one of the companies that gets an F rating for flouting russian sactions according to Jeffrey Sonnenfeld from Yale. It might be nice to flog some gear by companies that don't intentionally provide Russia technological support.