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Making an Edge Finder ---- On a Manual mill ??? 

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In this video I duplicate a project assigned to me in my early years of machining. A useful tool that has more than paid me back for my efforts. Take a look !!
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@bruceanderson9461
@bruceanderson9461 5 лет назад
I am always amazed at the shallowness of some minds when they comment that they can buy one for $20. The value of your video to me is how edge finders are made and function, how you can use a mill to do lathe operations and if you choose you can relax and do a project that in the end is useful. Thank you for your videos-I look forward to every one!
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
Thank you very much. I honestly try to structure my videos to show you more than just the demonstration. if you leave thinking "Hey, I could use that technique to do this", then I have achieved my goal.
@jchidley
@jchidley 3 года назад
@@joepie221 I think that what you describe is the best kind of teaching. I was going to buy an edge finder but now I will make one on my lathe instead.
@rallymax2
@rallymax2 2 года назад
It’s sad isn’t it that there are so many crabby people who just don’t get any pleasure out of interesting and informative videos like this?
@C0mich8
@C0mich8 4 года назад
I’m in school to be a machinist right now, and the school doesn’t provide any tools other than a micrometer, calipers, center drills, and HSS blanks. We make our own tools, like v blocks, machinist hammers, punches, toolholders, etc. this will be my next project on the mill.
@joepie221
@joepie221 4 года назад
Its easier on the lathe, but have fun, and heat treat the parts.
@a89proof
@a89proof 5 лет назад
Thanks for setting up and running through this using the mill - I think it helps us novice viewers to see different paths to reach the same end result.
@chuckinwyoming8526
@chuckinwyoming8526 5 лет назад
Joe, Great project! When drilling the center you may want to chuck the part in the spindle collet and the drills in the vice. Use the mill like a lathe as you did for cutoff and facing. When the part is spinning the drill will follow the center line of the part. This will also eliminate the possibility of crushing the hollow cylinder in the vice. The complication would be in locating the drills on center under the spindle. A small bit of math and the DRO solves this for different diameters.
@APage-hn6cz
@APage-hn6cz 5 лет назад
I made one in my beginner machining class about a year ago and can't even compare it to my auction find Hermann Schmidt (Unicorn af). In a pinch I will use whatever endmill and a mic'd piece of paper for large tolerance parts. Who says manual machining is dead? I'm 22 and learning all the forgotten tricks from a master.
@mackk123
@mackk123 5 лет назад
manual machine is more alive than ever. they gotta make the housing standards for garage heights to accommodate a vertical mill right thru
@BuildSomthingCool
@BuildSomthingCool 5 лет назад
Great build. I always thought there was more to building an edge finder.
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
There are a few different internal features, but they are pretty simple.
@faymckinney7331
@faymckinney7331 3 года назад
@@joepie221 43666
@erolsansolo8310
@erolsansolo8310 5 лет назад
You are a very talented teacher, and have posted some of THE best machining techniques related videos on this platform. I have nothing to add to your awesomeness for sharing your knowledge apart from highly recommending getting a small remote mic for your video productions for voice clarity.
@willydoitbettydont9100
@willydoitbettydont9100 5 лет назад
NEVER TOO OLD TO LEARN SOMETHING NEW. THE PARTING TOOL IDEA GAVE ME AN AHAA MOMENT FOR SOME STUFF I BEEN STRUGGLING ON THE LATHE WITH. THANKS
@williamdavis9650
@williamdavis9650 5 лет назад
Joe, most of the videos I have seen get the edge finder to run true (with a spanner for safety!), watching you flick it into the error state allows you to creep up on the edge. Brilliant!
@minigpracing3068
@minigpracing3068 5 лет назад
I spent a bunch of time getting it to spin true when I first started with my mill. It was the wrong way for me. Having them wobble at the start works much better for me. I do usually center it after I'm done to check the offset over the edge or corner or centerline, the scales on my DRO can sometimes jump to I like to be certain I'm starting at the right spot.
@Cenedd
@Cenedd 5 лет назад
@Chris Perhaps he's using a wiggler instead of an edge finder - that would be set true to start.
@bostedtap8399
@bostedtap8399 5 лет назад
Nice example of lateral thinking, like the gauge pin trick to line up horizontal diameters. Many thanks for sharing.
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 5 лет назад
I love your quick estimated metric conversions... quick and "out of the air" works fine for me and really really helps me to undrrstand your "strange American measurements". :)
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
My guesses will be close, but certainly not exact.
@joecnc3341
@joecnc3341 3 года назад
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that has shot an acid core brush across the room putting cutting oil on a drill operation........... As always - A great job! Thanks for sharing!
@joepie221
@joepie221 3 года назад
The best event is when a knurling tool eats one.
@GreatLakes_MetalDetecting
@GreatLakes_MetalDetecting 3 года назад
Just found your channel very informative always like watching an expert who is passionate in his craft.
@drpipe
@drpipe 5 лет назад
I’m always so pleased when you release Your videos that have simple but really helpful stuff for home machinists. Thanks so much for sharing. Hope you had fun in the caves dude. 👍
@tomthumb3085
@tomthumb3085 5 лет назад
Thanks Joe. Love that trick with the parting blade.
@jbrentmac4337
@jbrentmac4337 5 лет назад
I have have a long list of projects I want to do but this one is going right to the top of that list!
@BillySugger1965
@BillySugger1965 5 лет назад
Experienced electronics engineer here, total rookie machinist. Can’t express how much I love this video. I learned so much! Thank you.
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
I appreciate you watching.
@thepatientartisan
@thepatientartisan 5 лет назад
I've got a few different diameters of 01 drill rod, I'm all over this! Just have to sneak away from my inletting project without being noticed . . . . Great video as usual Joe. Be well.
@rexmyers991
@rexmyers991 3 года назад
I can’t wait to start making my own edge finder Thank you for such a clear, concise explanation.
@clonoid
@clonoid Год назад
'I bet a lotta light bulbs just went on huh ? ' yeah Joe every time I watch one of your videos, thanks !
@joepie221
@joepie221 Год назад
Thanks 👍
@guyloughridge4628
@guyloughridge4628 5 лет назад
This will be a great tool to have in my tool chest. Thanks for creating a project that is so useful.
@TomokosEnterprize
@TomokosEnterprize 3 года назад
This one popped up today. Love making tools to last a lifetime Joe. Thanks a bunch. This was fun. I am a diver but never had the privilege to do a cave. The northern tip of Vancouver Island in BC Canada has amazing cold water dives. Pacific giant octopus and friendly 8 ft woolf eels and 4 ft tall orange or white anemones to name a few. Oh yea, dungeness crab for dinner. Kings a bit north of there. Always remember that divers do it in the deep eh, LOL. Take care and stay safe teach.
@trumpetRex
@trumpetRex 5 лет назад
It's nice to see you back on the Tube again. Also looking forward to watching your cave diving videos..
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
The entry was very deep in the jungle. I don't know how these guys even find those holes. Stay tuned.
@johncoulter9287
@johncoulter9287 Год назад
I agree, a very good project to do. Thank You Joe.
@keldsor
@keldsor 5 лет назад
Hi Joe ! Oh, really nice little project for the shop - thx for sharing the idea !
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
It was a good project. I think it took me a couple days when I was just getting started. Never realized how much use it would get.
@remoteflyboy
@remoteflyboy 2 года назад
Hi Joe, thanks for the tip with the parting tool in the Vice, I would have never come up with that idea, so simple, another great little product 👍😀
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Very unorthodox project for a mill, but fun.
@TheMuzShop
@TheMuzShop 5 лет назад
Great project idea Joe. Thanks and can't wait for the scuba video.👍👍
@TAWPTool
@TAWPTool 5 лет назад
Joe, yet another fantastic and instructional video! Thanks for taking the time necessary to share it with us!
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
Hey Guy. thanks for checking in. Its a good mill project if you don't have a lathe. Fly safe my friend and remember my invitation is always good.
@Duraltia
@Duraltia 5 лет назад
Lacking either a Lathe or a Mill my Cordless Drill is nervously looking towards me as I keep smirking back at it ;D
@worthdoss8043
@worthdoss8043 5 лет назад
It amazes me how many things people buy for the mill, lathe and shop they can make with the equipment they have in the shop. Much of it from scraps picked up for free.
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
I agree.
@pontoonrob7948
@pontoonrob7948 5 лет назад
Joe, thank you so much for all that you share. I think I'll make this one of my 1st projects this winter after I get done putting my mill together.
@rexkreusel4127
@rexkreusel4127 5 лет назад
Great video . . . from a novice that really enjoys learning.
@shannonstebbens6992
@shannonstebbens6992 5 лет назад
Joe, the added value is that I now know how an edge finder works. I will be making one shortly! Probably on the lathe though. Easier? Maybe for me.
@TrevorDennis100
@TrevorDennis100 5 лет назад
A nice little project, although I'd be using the lathe rather than mill. I have four edge finders, including one I made as an apprentice 52 years ago, but I can see myself copying this design for number five.
@SuperAWaC
@SuperAWaC 5 лет назад
i've made a few custom edgefinders when the ol' starrett 827b can't reach the edge i need to find. made one with a long reach, made one with a long reach but also a disc type feature on the end, all ground to precise diameters to make offsets easier. cnc machines have mostly made the weirder ones obsolescent, but it sure is faster (and cheaper) to make a new custom tip instead of buying a custom probe and waiting for it to ship
@outsidescrewball
@outsidescrewball 5 лет назад
Interesting and another build added to the list
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
Hi Chuck. thanks for stopping by. Those lists seem to never end.
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop 5 лет назад
Great video. I will put that on my someday list.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
Many thanks, that is quite interesting. My edge finder was bought and basically works the same way but has a ball end in a socket at the arbor and the other end a precision ground 0.100 end. Much harder to make. I can't see them advertised anywhere any more though. I do like this setup though and thanks for the ideas on how to fit things to awkward springs!
@sawlgood
@sawlgood 5 лет назад
I love the macro shots. Beautiful job
@ellieprice3396
@ellieprice3396 5 лет назад
Another great project. I'm an experienced toolmaker and subscriber but had no idea how you were going to do that until the last third of the video. With .500 diameter stock you're of course .250 from the edge of the part. Actually, .2495 to be precise since once the thing jumps you're less than half the diameter. How's that for some unnecessary toolmaker precision?
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace 3 года назад
I often chuck round stock with a collet in the spindle, and move the table to capture it in the vise, then release the collet. Can get within a couple of thou fairly easily.
@joemiller5110
@joemiller5110 3 года назад
Thanks Joe, I Like the creative thinking for parting off using the mill!
@mickeyallen2992
@mickeyallen2992 4 года назад
Awhile back I watched your video on sharpening drills Man I put to use what I watched and now I find myself touching them up instead of waiting till they won’t cut to sharpen them Great and easy to understand videos keep up the good work. And the bits I use or 2” through 2 3/4”
@joepie221
@joepie221 4 года назад
Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad its working for you. Hit that Subscribe button .
@grayskwerl4973
@grayskwerl4973 3 года назад
Thanks for another great video. Really liked seeing the parting and turning bits used on the mill.
@joepie221
@joepie221 3 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@mikelwallstaff6905
@mikelwallstaff6905 2 года назад
Great Video, awesome teaching, Thank you!
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@clemkadiddlehopper7705
@clemkadiddlehopper7705 4 года назад
I totally made one back in my Navy days when I saw what the petty officers were using, except I had a single adjustment knurled piece on the back that was threaded just a little bigger (10% maybe) than what the actual pitch and diameter of what the spring was, kind of a friction thread for a spring. It only had four components. I could have used a screw like he did, but I never saw one up close, so I was kinda winging the design, but it worked great. Was able to make our wedding rings out of monel while on duty one night, too, with a 5 prong solitare setting and a Bridgeport. The guy at the jewelry kyosk at the mall had a helluva time getting the cubic zirconium in it; he broke 3 of his stones, lol. I warned him!
@chrissmith7552
@chrissmith7552 3 года назад
A Fender trem spring,available from music shops is perfect.
@oficinamaolivre
@oficinamaolivre 5 лет назад
Very Nice! Thanks for sharing
@sac40218
@sac40218 5 лет назад
I first found u by googling tooling ball video. Hard to believe that I've been a manual and CNC machinist since '96 "when I graduated" and I had never used one, until about a month ago. You helped me understand what I needed to know and what to order. Love your videos and keep it up. Cemco expander/shrinkers. Press repair and now tool and die and forms
@joepie221
@joepie221 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching.
@julianp.1713
@julianp.1713 5 лет назад
That parting tool deal was cool. I like it.
@6NBERLS
@6NBERLS 3 года назад
I like a cone on the end for use as a center finder. I always seem to need to reacquire holes. I don't turn the mill on and only feel for the edge with my fingernail at the separation joint. No detectable edge means I'm on center in that direction. The only problem is these edge finders only go up to 0.5 inches. I sometimes need to reacquire 3/4 or larger holes. I need a 0.5 shank with a 1.0" and larger conical head. So that will be my project.
@metalshopwithtroy5755
@metalshopwithtroy5755 5 лет назад
Hi Joe very cool never considered using parting tool in vice. Tops in method and guess what im making tomarrow. Thank you Missed you, business must be booming.
@RaysGarage
@RaysGarage 5 лет назад
Nice project Joe, thanks for sharing! Looking forward to the cave dives, sounds like an awesome adventure! Also looking forward to seeing you soon buddy!
@bentrueblood8144
@bentrueblood8144 5 лет назад
Some neat ideas, Joe. Never thought of using a parting tool on the mill...
@hamishanderson8619
@hamishanderson8619 4 года назад
Great stuff as always Joe! A simple tool that is in a way very gratifying to make and immensely useful to have. I'm not a machinist but my philosophy in life is to share and mentor where I can , a nice little project for my friend and student Leon to tackle to build character and confidence! Thanks a bunch! :)
@billyraibourn758
@billyraibourn758 5 лет назад
Thank you Joe for this project as I only have a mill and retired I don't think I will get a lathe any time soon.
@Louisg1100
@Louisg1100 5 лет назад
Thanks Joe! I have been thinking of making one for myself and was not sure which way to go. Truthfully though i will make it on my Lathe I will be more confident.
@fristlsat4663
@fristlsat4663 5 лет назад
If you chose spring and screw pitch so that screw pitch was >= spring pitch and screw diameter was ~ spring ID you could just screw the screw into the spring on at least 1 end, which would allow for slight adjustability, easier than rebending your spring hook.
@royreynolds108
@royreynolds108 5 лет назад
Not a safe idea. In theory it should work but I have had things slip on me.
@SergeiPetrov
@SergeiPetrov 2 года назад
6:11 - displacement of the workpiece in a vice
@Amaysing79
@Amaysing79 5 лет назад
Thanks this will be another winter project for me.
@michaelclark2840
@michaelclark2840 3 года назад
Nice build and very intetesting as I always thought these had to be ground true. Now I know they don't. 👍
@ruperthartop7202
@ruperthartop7202 5 лет назад
Great video Joe. Very affordable Edge Finder. Thanks for sharing
@incubatork
@incubatork 5 лет назад
A very handy item, thanks for sharing.
@PizzeyTechnology
@PizzeyTechnology Год назад
Your videos make you look a natural talent.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Год назад
Thank you. I've had a lot of practice.
@JohnnyDee62
@JohnnyDee62 3 года назад
Absolutely fascinating, thank you! Especially like the milling machine lathing techniques--highly envious!
@TedRoza
@TedRoza 5 лет назад
Thanks Joe, very nice easy edge finder, will have to make a couple.
@neilw2O
@neilw2O 4 года назад
Old spring maker showed me a simple way to bend out the spring loop. Use your side cutters. Try it! Nice edge finder.
@bobwas4066
@bobwas4066 5 лет назад
WOW Another Excellent Video! I learned so much. Could you show us how to heat treat it for us newbies?
@Smallathe
@Smallathe 5 лет назад
Awesome! I have some W1 tool steel. I had other plans for it - but I knew I'd have a lot of extra stock... I think I just found a good use for that extra... I'll make it on the lathe though. Thank you for sharing - that is a brilliant idea...!!!
@masons320
@masons320 5 лет назад
Just made one ( on the lathe ) and works great.. took a half hour with hardening the tool. Thanks
@johnv341
@johnv341 4 года назад
I have a nice Starrett edge finder, but now I am off to the lathe to make a non stepped version. A few really good tips in the video Joe. Thank you!
@youcoulduseit7492
@youcoulduseit7492 5 лет назад
Good work, that small end is handy for small hole location. course the indicol is too. The edge finder probly quicker to set up. thanks for helping us new guy's
@hectorplascencia2271
@hectorplascencia2271 4 года назад
Nice video. I used a lot an edge finder, but never realized how is constructed.
@joepie221
@joepie221 4 года назад
This is one way. There are a few internal configurations. This is just fast and easy to make.
@BenAtTheTube
@BenAtTheTube 4 года назад
Thanks, great video. In addition to a half inch edge finder, I also like to use a half inch carbide mill whenever I can, spins and cuts a lot faster than HSS. When the position is not super critical, I just bump the part against the (non-rotating) mill shank, sets to the same position as the edge finder!
@joepie221
@joepie221 4 года назад
I use a 1/2" drill blank in my CNC for exactly that. Plus a stop won't be in the way for low profile work.
@infoanorexic
@infoanorexic 5 лет назад
"You can make anything you want on a shaper ..." yeah, and I've learned something about picking battles. I think I'll let someone else take on that challenge . ;-) I've got several old mower spindles that have been trashed on the blade end (old farm yards are hell on mowers), about 3/4" diameter. One has become a lathe bump tool. I think the material should be good enough for an edge finder like this one.
@mackk123
@mackk123 5 лет назад
theres a pic floatin on lathes.co.uk i forgot the machine maybe a niles planer (close enough to a shaper) planing a boat propeller, it had some gnarly auxiliary ways on the z axis that could reposition its angle to work in unison with the rotary table and have the tool follow the contour of the blades. it looked like a big machine. the operator looked to be as tall as the bore on the blade. that website though is an endless database of old machine tools
@stevebloke5455
@stevebloke5455 2 года назад
so when the edge finder touches and kicks out that little bit do you then half the diameter of the edge finder to put center on the edge of the part? great little project/tool thanks for the videos you are a clever bloke.
@MrArray1967
@MrArray1967 4 года назад
Finally I took my time to view this video of yours. Either I'll make an edge finder like this one next week or in three months.
@MrArray1967
@MrArray1967 4 года назад
Must say I actually forgot about this little project. But in the mean time I've made a key for a little up cycled tool cabinet😀 I was about to go to a lock smith to buy one, when I suddenly realized it could be fun to make a key myself. BTW. One of my colleagues said the other day when I told about a 2nd hand QCT post I've bought, that I would do perfectly without one since I've got plenty of time 🤔😀😁😂
@johndilsaver8409
@johndilsaver8409 3 года назад
Thank you for posting this, I always learn (usually a lot) from your videos! Thanks again!
@toolbox-gua
@toolbox-gua 5 лет назад
This is so good ! Simple, doable, useful!
@glennstasse5698
@glennstasse5698 5 лет назад
So simple! So elegant! Fantastic...
@TadTadd
@TadTadd 5 лет назад
I got distracted by those nifty little work stops on your vise. Simple and easy. I started making one as soon as I saw this. Folks can try putting a 1/8” flat on the side of the edge finder to see if they like the audible clicking kind, like B&S makes. I prefer those since I can keep my eye on the DRO while sneaking up on it to check repeatability.
@imnotahealthandsafetyperso4889
Who just needs a spring lol thanks joe great video, and a tool I need for my mill :-)
@ellieprice3396
@ellieprice3396 5 лет назад
Joe, here's a design that might work. Make the body of the edge finder slightly smaller than the tip, say .468 body with .500 tip. That way the body of the tool will never interfere with the tip. I'm pretty sure you could easily see it jump off center. Hey, why not make a video to see whether it's a dumb idea or not?
@collinrasmussen5630
@collinrasmussen5630 2 года назад
Great video, for edge finding larger diameters this is awesome, I need to quickly make one for that. My eyes are not what they used to be, so a larger kick is useful to me as well
@edwardhayes5000
@edwardhayes5000 3 года назад
Thanks Joe. I made one and it works great.
@joepie221
@joepie221 3 года назад
Great to hear!
@donaldnaymon3270
@donaldnaymon3270 4 года назад
Awesome. Great project. Definitely needed in shop. Thank you for sharing
@joblessalex
@joblessalex 7 месяцев назад
This looks crazy easy to make. Gonna try it tomorrow! Using my lathe though for the tubing haha
@bernieshort9774
@bernieshort9774 3 года назад
Nice one Joe, another fab project thanks. Bernie from the UK
@joepie221
@joepie221 3 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@ericbeveridge551
@ericbeveridge551 5 лет назад
great project. will be making one of these next week
@armchairmachinist2416
@armchairmachinist2416 5 лет назад
Nice video like always. “Salut “ from Transylvania.
@chrisdavies1265
@chrisdavies1265 5 лет назад
this is my next small project...thanks Joe
@bencesarosi7718
@bencesarosi7718 5 лет назад
Brilliant job again! You never fail to impress me. Any chance for a series on what a lathe alone can do? (Beyond the obvious things, of course, e.g. projects that generally suit other machine tools better, and what creativity can get out of a lathe) I'd love to know how to push one to its full potential.
@furrydrums
@furrydrums 5 лет назад
the spring lookes exactly like a metal boot band for blousing your uniform bottoms
@merlinmagnus873
@merlinmagnus873 5 лет назад
Now I don't feel so bad. I used my mill as a lathe just like that for a year when I was just starting out till I finally got a lathe. I still do from time to time when working on tiny parts since I can chuck them in the mill's collets.
@shifty3453
@shifty3453 4 года назад
I did the opposite with a lathe used to mill all sorts of parts
@peterfitzpatrick7032
@peterfitzpatrick7032 5 лет назад
That poor brush never stood a chance RIP ... 🙄😂 Nice little project Joe ... its a lathe job for me . 🤗 😎👍☘🍺
@ramennaidoo162
@ramennaidoo162 5 лет назад
I made mine with a soft core 12mm dowel pin, body length 75mm with a 8 mm hole right through, a recess on one end 10 I/D x 4mm deep, that will take a spring. For the wiggler I made a washer 5mm thick drilled and reamed 4 mm. the contact faces ground on the surface grinder, using a 20x4 dowel pin, grind 2 flats about 2mm thick, drill a hole to take a spring, press in the dowel into the washer with that flat protruding about 5 mm. Make a button for other end of the body 4 mm thick x 10 mm dia nice lose fit with a pin 4 mm thick x 5 mm long , grind 2 flat to take up the spring, it will look like a thick headed nail . Make sure work piece runs accurately, any imbalances will throw out accuracy. Everything was made on a Myford lathe using a collet. Good luck everyone.
@peterfitzpatrick7032
@peterfitzpatrick7032 5 лет назад
@@ramennaidoo162 sounds like a good job !! 😎👍☘🍺
@ironhorse1888
@ironhorse1888 3 года назад
Cool edge finder Joe ! I'll make one ! Thanks...
@djfaber
@djfaber 4 года назад
That was pretty cool Joe, I was wondering how these were made and watching you do it without a lathe is impressive.
@joepie221
@joepie221 4 года назад
Thanks 👍
@alexbarnett8541
@alexbarnett8541 5 лет назад
Great work. I just learned a lot of important information. I'm definitely going to try this myself. This was definitely a real eye opening video. Prett amazing,
@chrisingram9798
@chrisingram9798 5 лет назад
I poked a hole in the end of my starred 610 rule just for pulling these springs a decade or so ago. Have used it many many times ever since
@kerrywil1
@kerrywil1 5 лет назад
great video thanks for taking the time to make it
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