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Making Carcinogenic Potassium Chromate 

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@user-eb3nm8cr7i
@user-eb3nm8cr7i 2 года назад
The red color the melt takes on is actually from potassium chromate itself. It's a little known fact, but the salt is thermochromic, changing towards orange or even red at high enough temperatures.
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
That’s interesting. Thanks for letting me know!
@LiborTinka
@LiborTinka Год назад
I found it more convenient starting from chromium hydroxide or chromium metal - the metal is very hard but can be shattered to small pieces by hammering in a covered steel mortar. It is then dissolved in acid and oxidized. Dichromate of sodium is valuable due to it's high solubility while that of potassium as a standard. I found one patent on preparation of sodium dichromate using sulfuric acid, the excess acid being removed as sodium sulfate and the excess sodium as bicarbonate (by bubbling CO2 through the mother liquor). I've look up preparing sodium dichromate from potassium dichromate - this might be done by removing potassium as iodate (the potassium iodate is even less soluble than potassium dichromate). However once we have the potassium salt, it's cumbersome to get the sodium salt as most potassium salts are too soluble and we would have to go through chromium trioxide, back through chromium hydroxide or oxide or maybe even through chromyl chloride.
@EdwardTriesToScience
@EdwardTriesToScience 2 года назад
Love the burner design, it's like a larger version of a blowgun, the furnace seems easy to make too, I might make a small one
@LabCoatz_Science
@LabCoatz_Science 2 года назад
Great video! Have you considered the very similar permanganate synthesis? I know manganese dioxide is pretty widely available (I purify mine from alkaline batteries), and permanganates don't seem to be nearly as toxic as chromates and dichromates, so it might be worth a shot!
@EdwardTriesToScience
@EdwardTriesToScience 2 года назад
NurdRage has a video on it, there still is no good breakthrough in making potassium permanganate in lab scale though. The main problem is that you can't easily get it to crystalize as any organic impurities whether that be fibers from your filterpaper or the oil droplets that are naturally in the air
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
The permanganate synthesis is another great idea! I also might try to make ferrate too.
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 2 года назад
Check out water filter stores, I bought ten pounds of potassium permanganate at one ten years ago for $60. Needless to say, I still have at least three quarters of it still. It's super useful, but you rarely need much.
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 2 года назад
Extracting the nitrite from this synthesis could be interesting too, it's hard to get in some parts of the world. I guess they don't want us making tetrazoles, or GHB.
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
I´ll turn it all to NO2 but a video on making nitrites should follow in the future!
@midwestchem368
@midwestchem368 2 года назад
Great video man! I dig the furnace that's really cool to have sort of a hybrid style there.
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
Thank you!
@BalticLab
@BalticLab 2 года назад
Finally! Been waiting on this video since you posted pics on Instagram. Gonna watch it now and compare to my own experiment.
@BalticLab
@BalticLab 2 года назад
Okay, looks like you had the same filtering issues that I had. I even tried a glas fritted (40 micrometer) Buchner funnel with filter Paper in it but even that pulled through some chromium oxide at first. I regret using that glas fritted Buchner because it's permanently green now. Even after leaving it in H2SO4 + H2O2 over a week.
@WeebRemover4500
@WeebRemover4500 2 года назад
interesting, a hotplate should do well for this with some aluminium oxide insulation, and the Cr2O3 may be recycled.
@hanleypc
@hanleypc 2 года назад
'I don't want to risk getting my beaker contaminated so i'll use this mixing bullet.....' A bit of chromium smoothie never hurt anyone lol
@kalrbaum
@kalrbaum 2 года назад
Isn't Chromic acid recommended for cleaning glasware in 60s Lab Manuals?
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 2 года назад
@@kalrbaum yeah, it's badass for organic residue!
@joeylo2302
@joeylo2302 Год назад
Wash the yellow crystals with ethanol to get rid of the potassium nitrite.
@FullModernAlchemist
@FullModernAlchemist 2 года назад
You may want to consider using Celite in your vacuum filtration setup it will catch those first very small particles that got through the filter paper.
@hegedusmarton8485
@hegedusmarton8485 2 года назад
Potassium dichromate have a lot lower solubility than potassium chromate, so if you acidified the (COLD) filterate with acetic acid, collect the dichromate crystals, redissolve it and basify the solution, then let it evaporate, the yield would be a bit higher i guess. That's how I'm making mine, I just don't basify the solution just but recrystallize it, because I use dichromate. Btw good video! New sub!
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
If you acidified this solution you would get a lot of nitrogen dioxide.
@LiborTinka
@LiborTinka Год назад
Also be aware of the airborne droplets! Always cover the reaction vessel with e.g. glass wool.
@chemicalmaster3267
@chemicalmaster3267 2 года назад
@ THYZOID LABORATORIES Quite funny, I actually thought you would do a video on extracting chromium in the form of a chromate or dichromate salt from stainless steel. That could also be quite interesting. And by the way, if you want to make potassium dichromate from that potassium chromate and potassium nitrite, you will have to deal with the latter somehow, otherwise you won´t get potassium dichromate and instead you will reduce the Cr(VI) into Cr(III) when you acidify the solution.
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
That one is still planned! Don’t have a lot of stainless steel flying around rn though.
@chemicalmaster3267
@chemicalmaster3267 2 года назад
@@THYZOID No worries! And another thing, if want a much better and cleaner way to make potassium nitrite, you can melt a mixture of potassium nitrate and potassium hydroxide and then carefully add little bits of sulfur at a time. 3 KNO3 + 2 KOH + S = 3 KNO2 + K2SO4 + H2O
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 2 года назад
@@THYZOID You can get cheap stainless steel cutlery at second hand stores for really cheap. I'm sure you could buy enough for the synthesis for less than twenty dollars.
@dexterflodstrom9975
@dexterflodstrom9975 2 года назад
Awesome video as always
@ChemTalk
@ChemTalk 2 года назад
Nice job!
@SodiumInteresting
@SodiumInteresting Год назад
How do you make and print your labels, do you create an image in an app and load onto a handheld sticker printer? I was thinking of getting one of those
@THYZOID
@THYZOID Год назад
this one was made using microsoft word and a piece of clear scotch tape
@noodlesoup2281
@noodlesoup2281 2 года назад
Awesome furnace!! ❤️ What did you coat the inside with? Also I have wanted to ask when using the gas cylinder is there any chance of suck back when using it like that?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
The inner layer is called schamott. Suck back? You mean if the flame can go inside?
@rainwater397
@rainwater397 5 месяцев назад
Can this reaction be performed in aqueous solution instead of a molten salt?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 5 месяцев назад
no
@lborate3543
@lborate3543 Год назад
Can we have a moment of silence for the Buchner filer?
@chanheosican6636
@chanheosican6636 2 года назад
Interesting but what does the potassium nitrate exactly do?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
We need it to oxidize chromium(III) to hexavalent chromium. Any other oxidizer, even air, would work.
@JustinKoenigSilica
@JustinKoenigSilica 2 года назад
hell yeah, cancer, let's goooo what happened to the silica nanoparticles? any update on that?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
I honestly forget about that one but this is something I must definitely try! Just took a screenshot of your comment as a reminder.
@kenbrady119
@kenbrady119 2 года назад
Can some chemicals be dried in a microwave oven?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
Very few chemicals. Not chromates though and definitely nothing in the kitchen microwave
@galaxymyt4834
@galaxymyt4834 7 месяцев назад
Make potassium citrate
@roman091000
@roman091000 Год назад
nice one
@roman091000
@roman091000 Год назад
is it a long process of making the same thing from a chrom powder (actual metall)?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID Год назад
the process from Cr metal is easier and faster
@roman091000
@roman091000 Год назад
@@THYZOID i would like to see the whole process of it
@THYZOID
@THYZOID Год назад
@@roman091000 i won´t try it. I have more chromate than i´d ever need and videos of this process already exist
@roman091000
@roman091000 Год назад
@@THYZOID ok, thanks. what do you planning to do in your next making video?
@MichaelLapore-lk9jz
@MichaelLapore-lk9jz 11 месяцев назад
Did you go out of your way to find the most pain in the ass way to synthesize potassium chromate?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 11 месяцев назад
This way is acceptable. From stainless steel is much worse
@karolus28
@karolus28 2 года назад
cool
@Cristi0986
@Cristi0986 2 года назад
Your potassiun chromate shouldn't be yelow?
@THYZOID
@THYZOID 2 года назад
Shouldn’t be green
@Cristi0986
@Cristi0986 2 года назад
@@THYZOID here ar yelow ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GBU2_vJNB_A.html
@ruchishinde8875
@ruchishinde8875 2 года назад
TV
@galaxymyt4834
@galaxymyt4834 7 месяцев назад
M
@alllove1754
@alllove1754 Год назад
This reminded me of the kmno4 make on chemplayer. Thank you for the nitrate method.. makes me wonder is there is a nitrite method...
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