Making Disabled Choose Work over Mental Health ?! 🤔 

Talking Therapies and CBT just don’t work in my experience. They can’t be used for a blanket cure either, people don’t work like that. So it shouldn’t be assumed that it will work for everyone, they could be offered sure but what’s the outcome if you take these and your not magically cured or indeed refuse it. More stopped benefits and being left to struggle and without the meds that do help?

This is so awful, why don’t they prioritise people who are unemployed and get then back into work people with disabilities and mental health issues have so much each day to deal with.

The Govt are wearing Rose tinted glasses on this one, and we will be the ones who suffer as a result

Being on the Autistic spectrum I go into absolute panic mode when meeting strangers etc,I cannot enter a room even if it’s filled with family unless my wife goes in first, I struggle with telephone calls, I mask everyday of my life and suffer the consequences when I get home. These proposed measure terrify me.

This may sound weird, but i have come to the conclusion as someone who has had mental health conditions all my life, that we live in a society which is a democratic tyranny of the WELL over the UNWELL. In other words, although we all get an opportunity to vote every 5 years, and although the population consists of people who are generally well and not disabled and people who are generally unwell and disabled, society is designed and run largely in a way which benefits and suits the WELL and discriminates against, excludes,harms and compels the UNWELL.

This is terrible people will be committing suicide. Where's all these jobs coming from. What about people with psychical illnesses i have fibromyalgia and Rheumatoid arthritis in pain most days and I'm on Sertraline.

What people dont understand is that the mental pain and anguish when you have either anxiety or indeed a mental illness such as bipolar is real. You can not function as a normal person no matter how you try. Physciatic nurses are not qualified to determine your condition either. They are usually there as an add-on to your physciatrist who can deyermine if your condition has deteriated or not. The CBT is only of use to some one who has a personality disorder and even then can be useless. I do see a mental health charity taking the government to.court pver this snd quite rightly should do so. The mentally disable suffer so much discrimination already as it is. This policy, if it goes ahead, will create situations where people will die, either by having no money if their benefits are stopped or by their own hand as they just can't take any more discrimination.

This should make the public very worried. Some of these people are unreliable, others dangerous, especially without meds. Fellow workers will be expected to pick up the slack, bosses to find cover, the public to put up with bad service and products. The public will be at risk when others lose concentration. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.

I have nothing left to lose, I would not last 5 mins in a job at this moment in time, recovering from burn out and workplace bullying which then tipped me over the edge. My health is priority not working me into an early grave. Worked since I was 18 in many jobs incl. management. I will be 52 next yr. I wake up in pain most mornings, my mind and body needs to recover properly.

I will save up my pip money and book a trip to Switzerland one way ticket. 😢💔 Stop the world I want to get off.

I can not be insured under Employer's Liability Insurance. So I'd like to have an MP or specialist team tell me how I would work. Even Parliament conversed with me on this back in 2017. I live in no man's land. Their one size fits all is blinkered. The Equality Act 2010 is fundamentally flawed! I am not even covered by the Care Act.

If they going to wean of medication which in my opinion is a dangerous thing to do then if you have had special medication from a Psychiatrist then he or she would have to be the one to make that decision. My only concern is about this that I hope the doctors and Psychiatrists take the patients to their interests and not the government.

And they wonder why people commit suicide

Missed the podcast, having to watch it back now. I fear what we see from Labour is a policy that was the same as the Tory plan and i am sickened by this. Labour have a chance now to take a year to come up with a solid policy they can implement thats been discussed with those who are sick and disabled so that its a solid plan that caters to how we are as human beings. You have to be careful here, removing peoples medication that treat things like pain and certain other conditions that you need to be treated for will always require medication. SO for me i am terrified by all this. where is the so called protection for those who are sick

It's all and good Wes Streeting wanting people, on PIP/ESA, to get back into work, but will employers want to employ people, who have mental health issues? When it comes to people, on the autistic spectrum, only around 20% of autistic people are in paid employment. The Buckland Review won't change things: businesses won't fall over themselves to employ people, who are autistic, or who have mental health problems.

Unless there are jobs that exist that don't rely on time management, social interaction (even by text), don't require physical strength, and don't require me to travel to work, I am unemployable. I can't do any work consistently enough. Workplaces don't accept a worker who is unable to show up and do the work reliably.

OMG just when you think it couldent get worse...I'm buggered

This will push me over the edge for sure!!! X

Me thinks that, GP and these mental health nurses will be paid on how many people they get back to work.

The problem with "Talking Therapies" is that they are just doing it for money. It's just a job to them. They are not people who have been through the same issues so how would they know what it is like. It's a matter of having the right personality. Caring and empathetic. Very few people have those qualities. Unless people have been through the same things they have no idea. It would be like me doing a job dealing with women's issues, such as pregnancy and so forth. Have no idea.

Thanks Rich for keeping us updated ❤ to all

They got a nerve ,ed davy son has palsy no fault of his own but really ?do they expect anyone with that disability to work with tools .keep up the good work .

Iv been under talking therapy, psychiatrist counselling nothing works , iv been on medication most my adult life and now just been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and night agropobia, I can’t go out alone or be alone at night , just don’t understand how this will work for me , also living with a brain tumor and other medical conditions

I've had CBT twice now, and now CAT, they have said due to over stimulation that's when I hear voices telling me to kill myself and hurt others. The only way to avoid this is to REST often and if I do work it would have to be part time work from home and BE KIND to myself take it very slow. I have bpd autism and ADHD . My brain is wired this way.

When husband was under a mental health team for 18yrs and nothing changed. They told him he wouldn't be discharged but have an open appointment. Covid hit he contacted them and because it had been two years he had been taken off the list. He went to his GP who referred him to another mental heath team, he had an assessment and he got a call the other day saying they carnt help him. Tell me where does he go he as c-ptsd due to childhood trama along with epilepsy and FND. Come on labour tell me.

CBT would not help me with my POTS,severe depression ,and autism.

Jay fibromyalgia is a pain condition not a depression, so I think it’s different, I have fibromyalgia too so I understand how you feel

Amazed the nhs is at rock bottom in all sectors they need extra staff doctors etc but labour can suddenly pull a rabbit out the hat with all these mental health workers etc ,Where have all these extra staff suddenly come from ?

People can work and be on an anti-depressant. I'm in a full time job and have been on various anti-depressants since 2009, along with dealing with other conditions. I've tried CBT 3 times, various councilling, group therapy..... Just didnt work for me.. I count myself very lucky in that my employeers have always been supportive. Yes there are people that can't work even if medicated etc, but surely getting people that can back in to work whilst on an anti-depressant is far easier than removing the medication and telling them to get on with it. Without the medication I probably couldn't work. Seems a crazy aporoach.

Im from northern ireland my psychiatrist went through me like a dose of salts a few years ago, ranting and raving about how many tablets I was on. I said to him it was you and your colleagues prescribed them not me. Tell them to get lost, mh nurse rang few weeks ago reviewing the meds asked me how I was getting on i asked for stronger anxiety tabs she said I was ringing to get you off them but as you're feeling worse you can stay on them another while. Ring your gps demand anxiety tabs due to stress of the government tactics

This is scary times indeed I suffer from sleep apnea and get very tired during the day have to sleep because I can not stop falling asleep I have a machine to help me not hold my breath it helps me breathe at night I have arthritis in both my hips and groin in my right knee and in both my feet and I have very bad anxiety this video has my anxiety go through the roof but thanks for the information Richard and Cara 😢👍✊I only work three days a week but that might be coming to an end soon if they forced me to work full time I don’t think I will cope when my hips get to bad I’m in bed for up to six weeks at a time

Imagine going for an interview, telling them i hear voices telling me to stab people if they stand too close to me 😂 do you think they would employ me haha

For many of us going back work even part time is going costs them more. Bang goes the benefits cap, here comes free social care (where I live) child care costs, access to work costs, work allowance etc Not going be saving anyone money!

I say to you all wait until there is concrete announcement from liz Kendal as to what reform of the benefits system will be.

What about people who're suicidal? Also, what about people where their depression is because of a chemical imbalance? Surely CBT wont work and they need to stay on meds? I suffer from depression and anxiety myself and sometimes suicidal thoughts, and have attempted suicide twice, I also cannot cope with a regular life, which would make me feel suicidal pretty much all of the time. This will kill me. I have had CBT several times with different therapists in the past and it hasn't helped.

What about conditions which are lifelong with no cure or treatment available such as fibromyalgia and ME ? How can they get our bodies working when no specialist can ?

Missed this... Yeah it's worrying that the DWP are getting involved in things like this so heavily. Not good. 😒

How have the new government managed to recruit mental health staff or train current mental health nurses to carry out this plan so quickly? Is this a parting shot from the Tory’s ? How could labour put this in place in just days .

What about people like me who work part time and disabled? I can't work full time hours my doctor won't allow it.

Think there going have blood on there hands xx

Hi Rich, another great informative video. Like you, done a good few CBT session's and did nothing for me. So now here I sit 5 years on with complex multiple health conditions notwithstanding mental health also and this clown show thinks I will be cured by working all cos they can't produce a decent working economy for those able to work. Have 3 life-long conditions, and the clue is in life long for DWP purposes, but they're hell bent on not reading that part when clear information is given. I look forward to them buying me a reliable car and paying a years car ins in advance so i can be forced into one of these so called 1m jobs, currently available and suitable for all sick and disabled😂 plus,unemployed. Delusions off the scale.

Autism isn't a mental health disorder, any specialist will say this. It's a neurological developmental disorder. You have autism from birth, mental health issues are developed through life. Man these people annoy and upset me. I have my pip renewal or whatever it's called next year and I'm already dreading it 😢

I wanted to add my Conditions... Fractured Skull at aged 7 1 Traumatic brain injury 2 x Strokes Tinnitus 24/7 & 30% hearing loss Binnocular double vision Cysts behind both eyes Left sided hemifacial spazms (botox every 3 months in & around my left eye Short Term Memory Loss Chronic Cluster headaches Elhers-Danlos Syndrome Fibromyalgia Had Ablation for bad Tachycardia Just had a Medial Colative Ligament Transplant in my left knee in March and it has failed so far... CPTSD from a drunk driver ploughing into 15 of us and i found one of the bodies.. Constant suicidal feelings Emotionally detached... I think thats about it..xxx

Nice to see you Richard and cara good information and update and we do appreciate it good job

Is there anyway you could find out how many assessors are working for the DWP PIP doing the reviews because i asked someone i know who works for for ESA they said to me 38 assessors do the reviews in the offices that's out of quarter of a million reviews this year

Rich what's interesting here is you said these nurses have been trained etc, to even implement something like this would suggest it's been in the works for sometimes so maybe not a labour thing?

I suffer mental health daily basis I asked my doctors about other treatments they told me all they have are the d2 blockers antipsychotics basically I like to know where Keir gonna get this treatment from he has guaranteed to everyone

Excellent. As always. I only see (and I'm certainly not alone in this) Privatization, targets, and profit. Nothing to do with disabled people as we are not seen as human to these people. Just a number on a quarterly spread sheet. Job done. I always love how they dress it up as "helping vulnerable people back into work". The real term is cut benefits to those who need it most and hand the bonuses to those who do their bidding. I could be wrong, but lets see what happens to this post. Stand or remove by the others?

Sorry I'm late , Hello you two , Have the New Bunch of " Leaders " found a new way to make me even more Depressed !🙃🤐

Right let speak facts their are a million jobs available countrywide theirs a million plus on jobseekers and another 2 million either disabled or pensioners where are the jobs their guna give to these disabled people coming from. Also what employers are guna risk millions in lawsuits if a disabled person hurts themselves in these jobs because these disabled people aren’t fit enough for the jobs the government are forcing them to work. This attitude will cause 1000s of unnecessary deaths and homelessness and for what to say to people that don’t care or understand people are different look at the good job we are doing forcing people to work who shouldn’t be and we are saving you tax payers if we kill them off or make them homeless it’s sickening to think our country is literally this cruel and evil and crazy 🤪

'They have no idea'.

If they did that I literally will crash lower than I am .Also my ssris are for pain as well.

Kier is nothing but a Tory in a red tie he's doing exact what the Tories did just presenting it different

Workplace does not pay, because if they did then it would mean less for those that are having to pay their "employees", and these so called employers want "world class skilled workers" for minimum wage, or less even voluntery if possible "free labor" basically its disgusting. Im convenced that america is 6 months ahead of the uk when it comes to the "mighty economy" and look how they are doing atm. The solution is the fkn pay their employees, employers or people in general are all for reducing our paychecks but getting a raise or wanting a living wage, salary or payment, apparently is beyond to much to ask for at all. Nhs strikes Teacher strikes Firemen strikes All the while the political class just decide to increase their pay whenever they want, when you have a class of people that makes the rules up as and when they choose this is the results we get. As for the people that having it hard that have disabilities, hats off to you for fighting back, but my personal advice go to these places that the gov wants you to and make these workplaces a nightmare because it wont be long of them getting you back out the door and these workplaces go out of their way to make it harder for disabled which is also disgusting again the reason is always money.

The thing is Rich if there’s only 1 million jokes, sorry job vacancies, how mathematically does 14 million people go into 1 million jobs ?🧐 😊

You are legally entitled to insist on speaking with a fully qualified psychiatrist for an assessment. That could take years to happen, effectively slowing the process down to a standstill.

Are they going to send people in there 70 and 80 back to work?

Thanks

Autism is not a mental health condition. Its a physiological condition that people are born with. Most adults in tnis country diagnosed with autism now have comorbid conditions from a lifetime of trying to survive in society with undiagnosed autism. Most people with autism i know who were dx as adults, have mostly first presented to doctors and mh practitioners with mental health conditions such as cptsd from trying to survive as a person with autism when you dont know you have autism. The only positive i can say is thank god kids today are getting diagnosed much earlier and there is more support for young people and children. Sadly for adults, all the resources go to the youth autistic services. There is no support or aftercare for adults dx with autism. Your even classed as lucky if you get an assessment and diagnosis. It all feels pretty bleak.

Good post Rich

Hi Rich , I just read an interesting article by Baroness Sherlock from when she was shadow work and pensions dated May 1st regarding the green paper . If you’ve read it what are your thoughts?

I Also have an eating disorder and would full on breakdown and stop eating .I do not do well being made to do things demands I cant deal with I shut down and can go non verbal.

I hoped we'd move on from the "CBT fixes everything" attitude... but alas.... 😢

This should be something I should never have to say but those (for whatever reason) have full mobility should NOT get the higher rate of mobility, a lad a few doors down has ADHD and he gets the full rate, his girlfriend who has depression also gets full rate.., I have brain damage and struggle to walk and I get the lower rate.

Great video as usual,I'm(was) a precision engineer before my break down and genuinely don't feel as if I've got the brain capacity to regain employment in this area( I've been an engineer for 30 hrs and don't know anything else)

CBT was definitely pushed by the Tories as providers were all private, even on NHS at least to begin with and the training for it is private, so gives lots of cash to their mates. NICE have a big say in it too as, for example, the ME panel for NICE was (maybe still is) all psych-based when ME is neurological and it has taken 17 years to get CBT and GET removed from NICE protocols for ME - one doesn't help and one can make you relapse badly and even kill you, neither is a cure as there isn't one! Hopefully, this doesn't go ahead as nothing announced yet and sounds much like it was set up pre-election. There is also the issue that politicians and media keep saying get people off PIP and back to work but PIP is for disabled people who have extra costs whether employed or not and can actually pay for people to be able to stay employed with extra costs of transport, motability etc.

What happens if the person has epilepsy are they taking the people of the medication it’s a life and death situation if a seizure happens

To some one with a hammer, everything looks like nail. With my own health problems, health is complex. The problem with NHS they expect everything to fit into boxes. Dr's are not allowed to use their intuition, they have to follow guidelines.

Unfortunately this is probably going to cause thousands of suicides

What if I work part time and am a full time carer for my daughter xx

There are plenty of totally fit youngsters on the dole

I have many issues, I am disabled with mental issues, I appreciate what you're doing but I think there is a lot of people playing the system. When I look at people compared to me , I'm sorry but I think they can work

What about ADHD

Lol i was on mirtazapine for 6 months when at 3 it didn't do anything for me. I went 6 without medication as my gp refused to give me anything. They're going on about medication reviews like nhs is just readily seeing people. My last review took a year and i was on the urgent waiting list. Edit, I also did counselling and it made me ill. They've been trying to force me to do I again. I don't see the point I doing a therapy that I've already done and what didn't work.

Scary times coming for many .My daughter been on sertraline since 14 she now 23 I was told this is only option and never been told she would ever come of it . They are going to need 100s of these medical people they are not there simple.Some people are very complicated that was I’ve been told about my daughter cannot work her out . I’ve had the so called experts involved and they are as much use as a chocolate fire guard completely useless .thank you for all you help with giving us information and telling us in a way we understand . God help us if this does go through

How do things stand if you carer of a young child and recieve dla for them ,Will carers be made to go bk to work ?

it is oak tellng the disable get back to work but about the employers who are not will to take on the disable, why is all the stress put on the disabled and not the employers

Omg 😲 that's disgusting therapy doesn't work either tried that in the past and counsellors none of that worked that's unfair xx

So pio will stop if you dont go with this ,?

So if you can’t move you limbs how do you work

Don't feel foolish GG. Its laughable that the UK has in the past had election observations in other countries. I'm angry & saddened that electorate voted Labour given that many constituencies had some amazing credible alternatives.

Exactly Richard the list will always go on.. I just don't know how this is all going to work for us all.. we are all struggling with our mental health and other series conditions that we have how the hell is work going to help us when we are in so much pain and how can you work when you're on heavy medication .. Fibromyalgia, endometriosis, fibroids..disc disease. Oedema.. eczema.. what i go through every day ..I would love for them to try and deal with all that pain everyday and then be told to work ..🙄🤔🫣🤬😡

Sertraline/Mirtazapine* personally its not working for me! I am shattered. Already tired, now more tired. no quality of life anymore, I never asked for this.

what about people with heart conditions.🫀❤️❤️

So pio will stop if you dont go with this ,?