Like all of the most dangerous kinds of people, they actually believe they don't make mistakes and since they are never held accountable it would appear they are correct.
@@justliberty4072Its just Pride. Same Law of Pride as ever. Pride says that I am Right, and if someone else contradicts that, they are an existential threat. It doesn’t matter that their criticism of you is because you are wrong. It doesn’t matter that you justify their exact criticism of you by attacking them. It only matters that you eliminate threats to your status as Right.
Imagine being strong enough to lift the wheelbarrow that's hauling your massive set of balls into court, wherein you say something like 'calling out to tell someone to turn on their headlights' is a TICKETABLE NOISE VIOLATION. This is absolutely, on its face, abuse of authority under the color of law. I applaud this man and hope his efforts bear fruit.
Well, in one example someone is saying something loudly to alert someone else to something unsafe they are doing so they can make it safer. In the other example someone is saying something loudly to alert many people to a dangerous situation so they can move to safety. I don't see them being "utterly unlike" @@bryanschuler9097
I once had to swerve out of my Lane to avoid an accident from being cut off. The officer actually pulled me over and I was flabbergasted especially since he didn't witness the occasion because he was going the other way about a half mile down the road. He just saw lights moving around suddenly. I told him I don't answer questions because I've been screwed with that before and instead of explaining why he pulled me over he said I'll be back with your citation. After 19 minutes and 37 seconds he returns with not one but three tickets. All of them made up. All of them not provable and all of them subsequently thrown away in court. After I had to spend almost $500 on an attorney and two different days away from work to go to the courthouse to file different modes of paperwork. This was after years before I was arrested for less than a gram of pot by three officers who were all struggling and pulling me in different directions and almost killed me over until a 4th officer saw what was going on and told them that they were pulling me in different directions and that I wasn't resisting. You could say after these two experiences with thesewannabe cowboys that I too have lost complete respect for the police. I think they mistake the public's fear of them as respect. The sad part is when they go home at the end of the day I bet their family members think they are one of the good ones. What a crock of s***. None of them are good imo.
I'm sick and tired of "lower courts," especially municipal courts, making BAD and INCORRECT rulings that almost always get remanded and overturned by district courts of appeal and circuit courts of appeal. It seems like they assume that most people won't take it the distance, and they always favor the local prosecutor and police. I'm glad people like this don't settle. I'm glad they push to get a judgement. I'm glad they push to get an admission of wrongdoing. I'm glad they get bad officers on the Brady List.
An officer in a small town in central MS was beside me and veering into my lane. He was looking at his phone and texting. I beeped my horn to keep him from hitting me. I had my video camera in my vehicle as well. I then turned left into a fast food place, and he immediately swerved and made a U turn and followed me into the fast food place and turned on his blue lights. . He rolled his window down and yelled at me asking me if I had a problem. I did not respond verbally but pointed at my camera. He then floored it and took off. Gustapo attitude...
You should send that video to the local newspaper and his boss. Wait...are there still local newspapers? Maybe the local news station. Because you KNOW you would have been pulled over and cited had you done that to him.
Checks and balances only work when people act with integrity and honor. Notice how everyone seems to be on a 'everyone is trying to screw me so I better screw them first' kick? Yeah....And thats the problem with The Mans™ emotion priming narrative lately....
That's the crux of the case. The police dept's position is that shouting a profanity in public is not always a 1st Amendment right (which I believe is actually correct). The first judge ruled against plaintiff on this basis, essentially agreeing the police can ticket you for yelling a profanity in public. The plaintiff's position is that the profanity cannot be considered in isolation, you must consider it being attached to an informative statement meant to increase safety (including that of the person who was called the profanity). Appeals court overturned it and sent it back on that basis. Essentially saying a jury needs to decide whether "turn on your lights, f-rs" is a colorful way of being helpful, protected under the 1st Amendment. Or if it's needlessly shouting profanity in public which does nothing but to annoy bystanders. (Any reasonable jury is going to decide it's the first one.)
@@solandri69, increasing safety is irrelevant. The first amendment doesn't specify that only some speech is protected. The only time it should be a problem is when the speech is the mode of committing another crime. For example, slander is a crime, so the slanderous speech is not protected. Blackmail and extortion are crimes, so the relative speech are not protected. Reckless endangerment is a crime, so relative speech, such as shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater is not protected. But if someone walks down the road yelling "Fuckity fuck, fuck all y'all," there isn't a crime being committed. If you want to claim that it's disturbing the peace, first you have to establish that there was peace before the alleged infraction. That means you're not near train tracks, there aren't any cars with glass packs driving past, etc. And then you have to explain the way in which the public good is benefitted by restricting a person's right to free speech and right to protest.
Did you just actually say their profession like they actually went to college and got a degree? I actually believe that they should have to go to college and get a degree! However they spend 60 to 90 days learning how to abuse people. I know they don't teach them the law. Most cops could not State one article of the Constitution or any of the Bill of rights.
Yes, they are steeped in their own propoganda and have their heads so far up where the sun don't shine, they genuinely think anyone who gives them the slightest push back is pro-crime.
No where 99 percent. Officers are just like any large group. 90 percent of the problems come from 10 percent of the people. The real problem is the leadership and union leaders that go balls to the walls protecting officers that are clearly in the wrong instead of saying officers that are obviously wrong should be punished.@post-leftluddite
Most despots in LE can't admit they're authoritarian, narcissistic psychopaths who have extremely fragile egos, a taste for extorting and terrorizing those whom pay their salaries, have NO understanding of the very laws they're tasked with "upholding" and have a fondness for abusing the authority they've been afforded. And currently it's rapidly beginning to boil, unimpeded, to the surface of society.
@@post-leftluddite99.99. And 0.009% of those left will do nothing to stop the 99.99% and the 0.001% will be fired or bullied and retaliated against to the point of self-termination.
That’s not strictly true. Threats, for example, can be prohibited by law. Protests and similar events are subject to time, place, and manner restrictions. There are other areas where government can prohibit or restrict speech but I am not going to try to condense an entire law school course into a RU-vid comment. I agree the police were morally and legally wrong in this case.
@MinionofNobody I'm an anarchist I don't care about the little details made up by America's corrupt black robe tyrants that only benefit their gang. Good luck with your indoctrination.
@@MinionofNobody My neighbors are very religious people. He observed a car accident, and when the cops came around asking if anyone saw anything, he said "I don't associate or wish to speak to cops because they are immoral and not god-fearing people". Are those fighting words?
@@brotha_pedat That’s a decision for a court but my opinion is that it does not. I don’t see any way it hurts the police. It might rise to interfering with or delaying a law enforcement investigation depending upon statutes and the circumstances. I think the person who is really hurt is whichever party was not at fault in the accident
To ALL "peace officers:" As long as you fear integrity and accountability, you are NOT the good guys! You want your respect back? THEN EARN OUR TRUST BACK! It's BS like this that proves why NONE OF YOU DESERVE ANYTHING!
Oh and if you think your the 'Good Officer', if you stand around and ALLOW others Cops to get away with breaking the Law themselves instead of Arresting and Charging the other Cop, YOU ARE NOT A 'GOOD OFFICER'
Yep, just like that guy of a certain ancestry that broke into my apartment that one time. And all the stories that can be cherry picked to support my claim, NOW YOU ALL HAVE TO EARN MY TRUST BACK!!!! See how hate is hate and doesnt actually change anything? Of course you dont. That would be asking too much of someone that needs to earn my respect back, wouldnt it?
@@mandi8345 They're the ones that are supposed to "serve the public trust." They're the ones that have lost that trust. That means it's up to them to earn it back. See how that works? This isn't an insult, little buddy. It's a CHALLENGE.
@@mandi8345 There is a huge difference between a PRIVATE person breaking into your House and Government Agents constantly violating their Sworn Oath of Office, and violating the very Laws they are supposed to Enforce.
“A noise violation” for yelling turn your lights on. C’mon be serious. Here’s a question. Why aren’t police afraid of the consequences for abusing their power? Anyone, anyone?
I want that apology to specifically state how they were wrong and what Amendment, policies, and common sense were violated. I'd want that apology to acknowledge his department's lack of training and his commanding officers lack of awareness for starters.
The fact that the police commissioner did not answer the letter that was send to him is what gets to me. It's about time that Public Servants are taken to task in how they respond to members of the public!
I think that instead of giving the man a dollar and an apology they are going to cost the tax payers thousands of dollars in court fees in addition to the thousands they already spent on getting this all the way to the appeals court.
These cops/prosecutors don't care because it's not THEIR money that's being wasted! These cops/prosecutors won't face ANY personal consequences if THEY lose in court... This guy could win 50 million dollars *and these cops and prosecutor won't pay a single penny out of their own pockets.* When the prosecutor loses in court, YOU pay for it!!!
Disturbance citations don't usually come until AFTER someone is warned (often repeatedly) to shut up. Also, a police officer's peace cannot be disturbed. Without a "not a cop" complaint there should have been no citation in the first place.
Be funny if the jury comes back and says to the judge, "We'd also like to punish the cops for being idiots in this case." I know that legally they can't but it'd be funny if not only did the jury agree with the plaintiff but also gave the cops some grief as well.
Another guy recently got a similar ruling after being stopped for a fake violation after flipping off cops that had gone out of their way to follow him.
If the taxpayers who end up footing the bill for bad policing knew the circumstances, there'd be public outrage. I'd demand a billboard or mailings showing this petty behavior. If it doesn't cost the cops directly, there's little impetus for change unless the people paying their salaries see what's going on.
@@winstonwolf6791 Freedom of speech allows an opinion to be expressed or to protest against government. "Turn your lights on" wasn't expressing an opinion, it was giving a directive. I'm not saying the directive was wrong, or that the citizen didn't have the authority to call out corrective action, that's been blessed off on since the Reagan administration. I'm saying that's not part of the 1st amendment.
SCOTUS has ruled the police are subject to criticism and even profanity. Thing being is most times its directed at the uniform and not the individual. Reminds me of that Bill Burr special. There's no reason to... What you magically float above the Earth? Never annoying.... Etc Somehow a job and a uniform makes one a deity and any anything other than kneeling and grovelling is blasphemy?
@@SirStanleytheStumbler And if you want the person who is supposed to act on that to actually hear it, shouting is unavoidable. If the cops need to do it, they usually use a loudspeaker.
I have been to many cities Canada, USA and Europe. I've lived 20 minutes from Buffalo my entire life. Been to Buffalo 100's and 100's of times. Buffalo has the worst, aggressive, ignorant, unapproachable police I have ever seen. All I have seen are tyrants, something I have never felt in any other city.
There are many police departments that follow this kind of action by this police department. Go to any search engine and look up “vexatious litigation” and then go to the same search engine, and look up “malicious prosecution”. I had to embarrass three Pennsylvania state troopers at a hearing for just such actions.. The magistrate had to remind them about the first amendment. Miraculously the Dash video from their patrol car never showed up at the hearing and they don’t have body cameras. They’ve gotten away with everything over the decades, but that will soon come to an end. Dirty Cops are everywhere..
@@steveladner4346They do pull people over and if the driver gets smart with them they beat them with an inch of their life and then most drive off and deny being there. Google LASD gangs
Screw that $1. Profanity is 1st ammendment freedom of speech.. $6000 per minute for the entirety of the detainment recieving citation & court proceeding..
Getting them to admit the wrong doing and giving an apology publicly is really good actually its setting precedence for departments that isnt set yet there is a reason they never apologize or admit wrong doing lets change that
The ugly thing about this is that the individual cop is almost never punished. Even when there is a million dollar civil rights win, the worst that happens is that the cop resigns, moves to another city and gets to play cop again. Hopefully, this guy wins and gets the cop to make a video apology that gets posted to RU-vid.
@@RevMarket This is why the suing part is important here. If they admit to being wrong and apologize, fine. You can point to that in the future. If they refuse, then you can (hopefully) get a court judgment that says the same, and you can point to that in even more situations. Either one works.
Their abusive conduct makes me fear for these cops families... have you ever looked into the studies about law enforcement personnel and perpetration of domestic violence?
It's because they genuinely believe they didn't do anything wrong. It's that messed up. 100% that cop thinks the appeals court got it wrong, and that it's bullshit the case is getting a chance. I would love nothing more than to be wrong, but since this cop is the kind of person who tickets someone for something like this, I don't think I'm wrong.
His words were not only a warning of illegal activity, they were also protected free speech. How the lower court granted qualified immunity is absolutely disgusting. Why do lower courts continue to grant qualified immunity, yet are overturned when brought up on appeal?? These judges MUST do better to protect We The People, and NOT bad police.
Reminds me of the time when I was driving a semi on a four lane highway in Burnsville MN. Up ahead a police car had someone pulled over and had a spotlight pointing, directly at me as I'm approaching. The effect was that it was blinding me as I was coming up to the scene. As I passed the scene slowly, I rolled down the passenger side window of the cabover tractor I was driving and yelled, "Turn that Fu*king spotlight off", and continued on my way. The cop breaks off his encounter with whoever he had pulled over and chases me down and pulls me over to scream at me about whatever he was mad about. I probably ended up apologizing to the stupid asshat and was allowed to go on my way. It turns out, that this cop had pulled over the secretary from the office of the trucking company that I worked with, for suspicion of drunken driving. She told me that she was guilty as hell of driving drunk and that I had saved her from a bad outcome. So this cop got his feelings hurt by my complaint about being blinded while driving an eighty thousand pound semi and misses an opportunity to get a drunk driver off the road.
It appears, courts are becoming increasingly busy these days. Especially when it seems, in most cases, the "smaller courts" rule on the side of the police/government. Moreover, it's difficult to comprehend how a police officer can be so sensitive. *Mentality speaks volumes and actions are crystal clear*
Follow through. When a lawsuit is seen through to a verdict that verdict can change these bad government and law enforcement behaviors and prevent them from happening with a precedent of punishment for ignoring the ruling. Very few times do regular citizens get to use their rights to put our government in check and stop such the overbearing wrongs against us.
@@KaiHenningsen to be fair, the initial idea of qualified immunity is to keep people with more money than brains from rapid fire filing lawsuits against the public servants that got them in trouble. unfortunately it was poorly worded, and thus ended up being abused. road to hell is paved with good intentions, the usual.
I honestly don't think he is or will. They stated specifically what judgement they would like, $1. They're a civil rights attorney, asked for $1 and an apology, I see them as a person who isn't doing it for the money, is doing it for principle, and isn't interested in taking money from taxpayers.
Civil court and criminal court are different. Just because OJ Simpson lost the civil lawsuit for taking the life of Ron Goldman, didn’t make him guilty of the murder.
Funny, I live near Buffalo and this only goes to confirm the mentality of the judicial system of the area and the judge that, threw it out to begin with! I also can attest to the mentality of the cops in Buffalo, as I was stopped and ticketed by an idiot of a cop, and it was totally an illegal stop (one involving whether i was a commercial truck), but let me just say that in my opinion the qualifications to become a Buffalo cop are based on whether you took a short bus to and from school!
It is so strange to me that as I grow older, more and more the truth is becoming stranger than fiction. When I was a teen, I would never have believed this actually happened.
Same here, I grew up thinking cops were cool as fuck, that they were the best of us, and joined law enforcement for all the right and heroic reasons. I couldn't have been more wrong despite how desperately I want to be wrong.
Is what really puts cops on the spot is when you go in and you have them give you a written formal apology and then you make them publish it in the paper they never want to do it and it has happened
Always sue for everything you can. If you don't want the money, donate it to _any charity you like._ But no one will remember a sting they can not feel.
Ah yes, officer safety, it always trumps public safety. They care about making it home and making it to their pension, nothing else matters to them; not you, not me, just them and their blue family.
It would take one hell of a voice to yell louder than the noise ordinance. I do not even believe it’s possible to yell louder than a police or ambulance siren without destroying your vocal cords
I'm pretty sure there was a ruling that said swear words cannot be banned. I am pretty sure there are a few cases that are very clear that content-based speech restrictions are not allowed.
I wonder if those cops will come by and ticket my neighbor for yelling out to her cats in the middle of a summer night? Always nice to get jarred awake at midnight to the sound of "KIIIITTYYYY!"
@@huwhitecavebeast1972 Or, she could have some awareness of how her actions affect others around her. Besides, there is nothing like having your window open on a cool summer night.
@@corey6393 When our neighbor would do that (calling his dog) it "somehow " Always seemed to trigger my wife's sleep walking and talking about 3 hours later. Darned if she didn't seem to end up calling her cat. Just couldn't ever figure that out😮
Another example of a cop's ego getting in the way of common sense. The cop driving with their lights off is a safety hazard. Had that same cop seen someone driving with their lights off, they would cite that driver for doing so.
I remember one time where this guy was driving down the road on my left side with no headlights. Carload of people. Windows up, really dark. I have excellent night vision, so I have that leg up on most. I knew yelling wouldn’t do a whole lot. I turned in my left turn signal, even though I didn’t need to change a lane. Made a brief swerve towards that lane, and waited for the expected response. When the window went down, I throttled down and yelled, “WHERE ARE YOUR F ING LIGHTS!!!???” The female person that I would describe as something like a canine female was cut off before she could even start in. The lights went on, and they never did anything.
Shouldn’t this be protected under the first amendment. Wouldn’t they need to have a decibel reader. Usually when people get arrested for yelling it’s usually disorderly conduct.
the attorney was required to submit an apology letter, expressing regret for her actions “ I apologize for my actions in connection with the events in Coffee County," Some apologies seem insincere
If anything other than issuing an apology and giving the man a dollar happens, the city managers should fire the police chief for wasting taxpayer funds.
It's a wonderfully flexible word that can be any of a multitude of parts of speech, and can go almost anywhere syntactically. There is magic in that word.
In my younger years I did something similair. I was walking through a residential area and saw a cop driving at night in the dark without his headlights on. I excitedly flagged him down, and I remember to this day his reaction when he realised the crime I was reporting was the one he was committing. "Officer! Don't you know it is illegal to drive at night with your headlights off?" I may have been a bit of a smartass when I was a teenager. "Didn't realize they were off" he mumbled before driving off... Which was a lie unless he was drunk or high, overcast night with no streetlights, lol
😂 In HS- Called the sheriff's office after a patrol car next to me flashed emergency lights to get thru the intersection just so he could pull into the McDonald's drive thru line on the opposite corner faster. "911 what's the emergency?" I believe one of your cars might been stolen they used the lights to go to McDonald's. 911 dispatcher said it "must have been an emergency." To get in line for the drive thru!? SMH- she hung up on me!
There is a point to this lawsuit, because if you get a judgement against them or an admission of guilt, you can now file a criminal complaint and it becomes a slam dunk.
The anger should be pointed at the govt attorneys who argued the probable cause case for noise violation. That is where the root of the rot exists in govt corruption. Start there.
A good apology consists of An acknowledgment of what was done and how it was wrong. An description of what will be done to prevent further wrong doing. A sincere expression of regret for the wrong done.
Growing up, when I did something stupid and got put in timeout (LOL), part of getting out of time out was "I'm sorry, I did it, how can I make it right?' then following up with that 'making it right' part.
@@AtoZImprvts. Only a fool represents themself. Even a lawyer will hire an attorney that specializes in that certain case. Very rarely will a lawyer be in a case that he specializes in.
The dude is a civil rights lawyer and asked for $1, he is 100% doing this on principle and not seeking to take money from tax payers. I think this was explained and expressed pretty well in the video and through this mans actions. He wants a dollar and an acknowledgement that what the cop did was wrong, nothing more.
I find this topic very compelling because I live in Colorado and we have a massive problem with people driving around in the dark with no headlights on. And this includes police patrol cars. The problem appears to be with all these new cars that have automatic headlights. People assume that if the automatic headlights don't come on, then they don't need to turn on their headlights, and this is absolutely incredible, incorrect, and counterintuitive to safety. And furthermore, no one responds when I flash my brights at them to turn their headlights on or to turn their headlights off of their high beams.....
Retired police officer here. Ridiculous reaction from those officers. They need to Check their ego. I understand though, I got tired of being yelled and sworn at and simply stopped caring.
