I stand by my stance that Battle League is the most pathetic game Nintendo has ever put out. That doesn't mean it's the worst. But a game with ten characters and one stadium? That's the definition of pathetic.
One stadium? There is five wdym? Plus with all the combos that's around 20 something new stages when mixed up. Ten characters are fine as long as the game is updated and keeps up the hype.
Tbh, I think everyone forgot about battle league like a week after it released because there was nothing to build on the basics. That’s all there was, basics and nothing else.
So the same like Charged and Super? If you were on NeoGaf back in the day, the thread for those 2 games died in less than a week. These sports games are just not popular even when they're "good". They're boring 1 hour time wasters and that's it.
This game has so much potential, the core gameplay is fun, the character animations are very good, I like the gear system, and the graphics and music is just amazing. But the problem is the lack of content, we need more characters and more stages with hazards, alongside more modes (like a big field mode)
Yeah, when I first saw the game, it looked so slow, and not crazy fast, but the stages fucking killed it for me, no environmental stage hazards, nope, that's not Mario game, that's a boring soccer game. And the fact outfits effect stats, suck so much, because I would've love to customize my character without effecting my gameplay of them, so that sucked even more, but I know why they did it, they legit had no variety with characters so they made outfits that changed their stats, like come on. And the fact caption abilities got removed sucked even more, like I would love the counter play between this captions ability vs this other captions ability, 2 giants Mario and Luigi beating the shit out of each other as all hell breaks lose, wario farting and Bowser just exploding all the farts because of his fire breath, Daisy's crystal attack vs donkey Kong slam, it's insane how those abilities worked, and how fun and crazy they were, I was ad they removed mega strikes, but sidekicks getting removed blows, and along with that superstrikes were also removed unless you get this orb thing now, this game felt empty to me, so I just skipped it and I'm glad I did, this would've been a disappointment of a game for me, and I would've been pissed if I bought this game and getting jackshit for my money
Ever heard of mario hoops 3 on 3? It's a mario basketball game for the ds. 21 characters when all are unlocked. 16 stages (if I remember correctly), some of them with interesting twists. Different ways to play the game. Multiple multi-player modes, some of which can be played with only one game card. And I got it for like 20€. Notice something?
Not even a comparison since it was on handheld and usually those games had lower graphics, usually less asking prices since on handhelds, and came out a while ago so of course it costs less. Not defending the lack of content in battle league but still, way more different things in my opinion.
Don't forget about Mario And Sonic At The Olympic Winter Games DS which had 20 characters, over 20 sports, 3 party games, and a story mode. It's an underrated gem thst I recommend you get if you have a ds, 3ds, or a ds/3ds emulator.
This game makes me sad more than angry,when you master the game it becomes very boring after a while and you can tell that a lot of the budget went to the character's animation and not the game it self
The fact that people can still defend shameless souless cash grabs like Battle Leauge and Switch Sports shows that Nintendo has the one of the most loyal and toxic fanbase in gaming.
It’s cause strikers has a bright side to it, which is the fact it’s hella fun to play. I will not lie and say that content is def lacking, but pathetic, hell no.
@@MarioDiamond63 plus Nintendo is literally adding dlc that has 10 more characters and some other things so what's the point in bitching about there not being enough content
It sucks that the one major flaw of battle league is that there's barely anything to the game, cause the presentation and *donkey kong's dance* show that this wasn't meant to be a cash grab, but was forced into a cash grab.
Nintendo is becoming what Disney has become. A once loved company known for pumping out consistently great works of art has become a company that while it can still make great stuff, it makes some bad stuff and is a greedy shell of their former golden days.
Oof I wouldn't go that far. At least Nintendo is starting to allow LGBT rep and such in their game like no gendered characters or sometimes LGBT characters where Disney doesn't allow any LGBT rep. If you do some research on The Owl House they basically shortened it down to 2 full seasons and a season 3 that's only 3 episodes even tho it should be a full one.
@@darklinggaymer3032 LGBT representation is good but just because it gets represented doesn't make a company good. Nintendo has really shit the bed consistently, doesn't matter how much representation there is we are here for the games and if they suck now, then that's it. The games suck.
I already said this before but I think I'll say it again. I understand how you feel, this was my first Mario Strikers game that I bought with my own money and admittedly it didn't feel worth it to me also. However, I think Nintendo I knew exactly what they were doing with this game. I think they told next level to set aside content for post-launch updates. They wanted to turn Mario Strikers into rocket League. And it made the game feel unfinished as a result considering that the game really doesn't feel like it was designed with this business model in mind. It feels like this game was designed exclusively with quick matches and the Striker's Club in mind and they didn't take the time to flesh it out. Either because this game was always designed this way or was truly unfinished. Ants to developers of the of the games, specifically Camelot, probably didn't know how to make the free updates work well while making Solely multiplayer focused Mario Sports games that's felt complete. There was World Tour on the 3ds, but that was still mainly single player focused and had paid DLC. And yes, they probably were rushed with the Mario sports games on switch. However, I do believe that the worst of this business model is coming to a close. With the growing negative feedback and lack of Interest towards these games and the sales the most of the games that used the business model being less than favorable, I feel like Nintendo is going to look at these games compared to the better selling and better receipts games that use this business model a lot better and they are going to be more careful with, or at least get a better idea of which types of games work and don't work with this business model. Or at least, I hope they learn. It is still good to stay cautious. Or maybe game studios like Camelot will do a better job at making Mario sports games better great for both single player and multiplayer audiences and figure out how to work in the business model better is Nintendo for system to do it again. Or not, Mario sports games fluctuate in quality all the time. I don't think a couple of mediocre Nintendo sports games with free updates it's going to cause Nintendo as much as an identity crisis as what happened with the Nintendo Wii and DS era and new Super Mario Bros. Especially with the negative feedback by critics and the fact that there are great and complete games on the switch that use this business model that Nintendo could learn from. There is Animal Crossing New Horizons, but that game was delayed and the free update kind of made sense considering that Animal Crossing is a real life simulation game. I doubt it will affect series like Mario Kart or something. I understand why Nintendo fans feel let down by these recent decisions, however the train of mediocre sports game will probably stop soon. And Nintendo might change up their strategies with these types of games in the future, or at least we won't get another Wii U situation. And yes I know that Nintendo isn't the one developing most of these games and there isn't just one team doing it but Nintendo is deciding that these games should be given free updates and they decide the release date.
@@randomguyontheinternet7940 Well yeah but every big company is bad. To me the ones who made Cyberpunk and SEGA who rush Sonic games and others that allow seizure glitches in their games or unplayable like Cyberpunk then that's when I call it rushed and if Nintendo went down to that level then yea I'd start criticising. But Nintendo games don't suck cuz they have other games. Imo Sport games are just the little games that are there for no reason apart from if you wanna see what Mario characters do outside the main games. Like if I was a kid and owned Switch Sports and saw this video I wouldn't of thought much because I'm having fun. I still kinda have that mindset but that's changed thx to companies like SEGA and the one who made Cyberpunk because SEGA are incompetent and Cyberpunk devs...well they had the time and somehow released it in an unplayable state to the point modders had to go into their company and fix it.
I already hate Disney for what they've been doing in recent years and I really don't want to start hating Nintendo for what they've been doing recently.
Couldn’t agree more. You definitely made a really great point here. It’s the god damn lacklustre roster and lack of content. Yeah where is Daisy?! Nintendo is getting worse like they just want the game immediately to launch without any effect of finishing some details to make it more fun. What a let down after 15 years of absence!
To think if the game even just got ONE more year of development, we probably would have more characters and more modes and content in general. It would of been SO much better!
Glad to see that i'm not the only one who hates the bland stages from this game. While the game as a whole feels like a step back in terms of gameplay and features, coming closer to being like the first game rather than an actual sequel to Charged, the stages are whole other step back considering how much personality the stages in the first games had.
Tbh, i almost glad that you can't see them, because at this point i'm so sick of seeing the same NSMBWii-esque asthetic in every other Mario spin-off game. (Aside from a few exceptions like MK8, LM2+3, M&L:DT, the Mario & Rabbids games, modern Paper Mario to some extent and i guess also modern Camelot Mario Sports, although those are bland in their own way.)
Nintendo is pretty much practicing unethical marketing strategies at this point, releasing a long overdue sequel with little to no content for long time fans, at full price?! They are taking advantage of us, by hyping what was once a good series. Demeech, thanks for your input. Also Daisy kicking shuntaro in the cojones was 100X more content than Strikers Battle League itself.
"Full price". $60 today is nothing compared to what $60 back then was. Games from back then would cost around $90 in today's money. If companies tried to sell their games for $90, even with WAY more content in them, gamers would bitch about "corporate greed". You can't have it both ways. You want to pay $60 for a game? Expect it to have less content. You want a full fledged game that has all the content of days of old? You better be willing to pay $90 for it.
@@Prodigial Awesome! that's fine by me. You can live by that principle, I won't. Though I'm appreciative of recession, that doesn't change the fact they're charging $60. Compare Strikers Battle League to these $60 titles: Mario Maker, Mario Kart, and Smash Ultimate. Notice how these games almost have an endless amount of content, or features? (e.g., map editor, large variety of customization, over 40 characters, multiple game modes, varied map gimmicks, large file sizes, etc.) Meanwhile, Strikers Battle League doesn't even have a single feature of those mentioned above. Not to mention Strikers Charged, imagine having a predecessor having loads of content and features which allow for it to justifying $60 bucks, while the successor is far from justified. If anything, Strikers Battle League is a title that's worth roughly $25. This should apply to every Mario sports spin-off which relies on the, "finish it later" strategy and free DLC that only adds characters. As a matter of fact, file sizes could be a factor to determine the price of a game, depending on the assets which are relevant to gameplay, and cosmetic files are disregarded from this decision. With a cap of the standard $60. The Nintendo I once knew is gone, without a trace.
@@marcost.2413 Battle League when compared to Strikers Charged, costs approximately between $35-40, so your assessment isn't far off. I don't care about half the things y'all say you want, and I secretly don't think you guys truly care about it either. A full fledged story mode? For a Mario sports game? Arenas with annoying hazards/gimmicks that are going to be turned off/disabled once you go online unless you are playing incredibly casually? The actual gameplay here is SUPER solid; I've had a blast playing online. I've gotten roughly $25 hours in which means that, for every hour of entertainment, I've spent a measly $2.50. That's a good deal imo. Yes, the niche sports game lacks the content of franchises that are literally mainline titles with mass appeal. Are you shocked? The Mario sports games do not have the appeal that Mario Kart or Smash have. You are heavily encouraged to purchase those games over this one if you have not yet, and I'm sure those games had budgets that tower over Battle Leagues because Nintendo knew they would sell millions upon millions. The truth is that, even if Strikers was completely LOADED with more content than you could imagine (Smash Ultimate levels of content), the game would not sell that much more than it's going to sell anyway. Be a smart consumer and examine products that you want to buy. I waited for reviews of the game and for gameplay to come out before I made my purchase of Battle League. I saw the content available, saw the gameplay, saw the price tag, and thought "I think this is worth $60 because I will get a lot of entertainment out of this." If that's NOT you, then don't buy the game. But I don't understand the complaining coming out of people for games that are dirt cheap compared to what games used to cost.
@@Prodigial that’s a laughably bad argument. There has been so many amazing games that have came out this decade and nearly all of them are 60$. I’ve even seen some great games that are in the 40$ range.
Here’s the thing with switch sports right. It’s bad,I’m not denying that,but it’s $40-$50,wasn’t something that fans were necessarily dying for,tries to do something new,and at least has a decent amount of modes. This on the other hand is $60,fans have been asking for it for years,it is completely lack luster,barely has any modes,and is a huge low for next level games. Both are bad,but this one makes me more mad
Something you should’ve brought more light to was the fact the online mode has off seasons. As in there are long periods of time where you literally can’t play it for no reason. Even Mario Tennis Aces didn’t have off seasons.
Pay the full price now, and we'll MAYBE complete the game eventually, is a bad deal for buyers. And if anyone but Nintendo was doing this, people would have no problem calling it out.
The problem is that Nintendo was once considered one of the last bastions of consistent quality from the AAA developer world. However, even they have fallen down the path of greed, and it sucks to know that even Nintendo can't be fully trusted anymore. There comes a time in our lives where we have to question if these feelings of frustration are actually nostalgia goggles, or for once, the older generation is right about the old days being better. Of course, bad games always existed, its just that there's bigger and better coverage of it, and the ones we do get are more openly exposed and flagrant with their bad design. A lot of bad games back then? At least a lot could just be chalked up to bad design, instead of the greed of the pigs up top. For the most part.
Great comment. The old days were definitely better since they were forced to release games in a finished state since they couldn't just "update" the game. Nintendo peaked with the Gamecube, DS, and Wii consoles in my opinion.
What is with the notion that nintendo only recently became greedy? They've been a greedy for a while now. This shouldn't be a surprise, they're a company/corporation after all. They've been greedy even during Iwata's time as President of Nintendo, it just so happens he was a much better President of Nintendo than the hacks that came after him.
We were warned back in 2014 when Nintendo is going to charge you in the near future but back then we weren’t aware how Nintendo will be too corporate than ever with their existence for being anti consumer.
I'm not going to lie, Battle League looks very fun gameplay-wise, and I love the character designs and animations for the game, but there's no sugarcoating that it should have been set to release during a far later stage of development. It's too incomplete to be released now.
Nintendo has gotten to the path with Square Enix, one of the most inconsistent game companies of all time. They are releasing amazing games and dumpster fire unfinished games as well
Yep. To keep track of all their treasures, I’m calling those good games “Diamonds in the Rough.” There are some cases that are ultimately a stretch like Star Allies or Origami King, both really good games that are heavily flawed, but at least we’ve gotten good games in the past few years. The Switch’s launch year was its only good year otherwise.
I would still say Nintnedo is the best video game developer, but I can agree that the inconsistency is starting to creep up on them, luckily most of their single player focused games are still great, but their multiplayer ones are starting to die in quality.
At least is not as bad like Sonic 06 is a unfinished game with full of glitches and unresponsive death and I give people nightmares. Some people like bad games. I don’t not buy the game because I all ready know that it was unfinished.
At least it's not like the Gamecube where it was all garbage and shit games. Even the "bad" stuff is still extremely fun. Gamecube was just embarrassing on every level. Thankfully we spoke with our wallets and made that purple turd fail!
It’s sad Nintendo doesn’t really try anymore with there multiplayer/sports games, the only game I really liked from them so far this year was Kirby and the forgotten land. I really hope we don’t get Mario kart 9 at this point it means if Nintendo is gonna rush that and only have 2 cups and 10 characters… I still wish battle league didn’t fall into the free update strategy but sadly it did, guess I’ll be playing charged still. Anyway I really wonder how long Nintendo can keep this up still, because if they keep doing the “free update” stuff a few years from now on there new console by then they will lose a lot of fans.
The only exception to the free update rule was Kirby star allies, it was already a completed game it was just too short and too easy, the free update was just adding three new dream friends and a harder difficulties such as heroes in another dimension, and soul melter EX. To be honest I always believed the Kirby franchise was getting special treatment.
The games people say were the "best" of the series are all on a massively flopping system the Gamecube. Good because it was just a massive purple turd that didn't deserve to succeed. Switch is their best system of all time, with Gamecube as their worst.
@@davemarquez770 the Gamecube had far more brutal competition than the switch, considering that the PS2 is still the console with most sales to this day. Personally "worst Nintendo console" would go to the Wiiu and i have both played it and the Gamecube
I'm so sad with what nintendo has done with these mario sports games. They've done this "free" update shit for all three switch mario sports games, and it's just getting worse and worse. The amount of stuff in these mario sports games in initial release is getting less and less. Making these $20 games with a $60 price tag, absolutely horrible.
10 characters, 1 stage, no extra game modes, and it's FULL PRICE. They're selling an arcade game for FULL PRICE. It costs as much as BREATH OF THE WILD.
I've been watching Demeech only a few months recently but he's become my go to for Nintendo reviews. He won't hold back on the truth even if Nintendo fans don't want to hear it. I'm glad I held off on buying this for Demeech only to restore my thought that this would be a half baked product.
Most Nintendo channels are pretty corny tbh I remember when they added folders to switch and this guy literally had a 10min long video hyping it up like it was 2nd coming of Christ it was quite comical tbh
When I was a kid, I think Nintendo is one of the best companies ever. Yes, this is 2000s back then. Almost every popular game company were the best of the best back then. Since the modern era came, almost all of the companies that I truly loved with heart became the shell of their former self, mostly greedy. I have very low expectations for Nintendo to be a bad company but because of their recent releases of unfinished games and other horrible practices. Well, here we are! Nintendo became one of the greediest AAA game companies as of now.
It’s probably the community, pressuring Nintendo to be the best gaming company, and the community, also being impatient with the games that have a amazing potential, and eventually making Nintendo, releasing it too early.
@@Dooggey. Ah yes, this might be the reason why we get unfinished games from Nintendo. For my perspective, most of the Nintendo fans were very impatient for the upcoming Nintendo games to release. They don't realize that developing a game needs care, passion, time and money and only to release a game when its ready. Its also their fault for pressuring Nintendo to release their games regardless of quality
@@Dooggey. Yeah, I guarantee by December Mario Strikers Battle League is gonna be an awesome game content wise (it already was gameplay wise). Nintendo fanboys are slowly ruining the company.
For the fanboys in the back that refuse to listen. The reason people are ok with Free/Paid DLC for games we love and not with this type of games, is because they are made to extend the life of it and add extra content to an already great base experience, not to be an extended deadline so the devs finish the game later. Comparing Strikers, Switch Sports or Mario Golf 'Free DLC' to Fortnite, Borderlands or Smash's DLC is insulting. Because they aren't adding stuff that should've been in the base game for starters, they are adding to an already finished game and expanding on it. They aren't going "Well we managed to put a small roster before the deadline, we'll add Daisy in Fall to make people come back if this underperforms", they are offering you a second round of food apart from the amazing course you already had and enjoyed, not giving you half your order and seeing if you liked it so they give you the rest of it despite you already have paid for it.
For example, if Mario Odyssey was released nowadays, they would just release it with 5-6 Kingdom to boot, half the posessions and one third of the costumes, and offer as 'Free DLC' 5 costumes and the Cloud Kingdom for the next season, to see if it performs well, and if does, slowly roll the rest until we have the game we have, without Luigi's Balloons.
I'm telling you, people that defend anything to do with this game never played or own the two previous games. Battle league is their first mario strikers so they gonna defend a game knowing it has problems. It literally almost been a month of release, wheres the updates? Fortnite and rocket league gets updated every month. Funny they compare that because this also proved they weren't around during the ps2 and gamecube era.
@@ThePika78 kinda disagree with your mario odyssey point since they seem to only do this to sports/spinoff games and not the mainline games because look at the mainline games like Kirby and metroid they come out complete and they did announce they delayed zelda botw 2 to make it better
Strikers Charged was the best one. Each Main character was a leader of their own team, with several different side characters for teammates and each had their own unique gimmicks. And the stages, the hazards that came with them like the meteors, Tornados, even the electric fence you can see the skeletons of the characters that got shocked. The pure, raw sexy that was the savagery the characters had like Waluigi’s Dick Thrust, Peach’s temper, Wario suicide bombing himself, where did all the edge go!? Now that was a real Strikers that we will never see again. Also I don’t like the gear system, the changing the points in a character’s stats seems unnecessary to me, I rather just keep it cosmetic, a light weighted Bowser or heavy hitting Luigi feels super off. And where is my Kritter Goalie!? All things considered I am glad I didn’t buy this game, I was waiting for reviews and glad I held my money.
About the "Raw Sexy Savagery" bit, I was accepting to not come on the new series because people are even more sensitive nowdays especially competitive ones (like Splatoon 3 don't even have a Lose screen anymore), about everything else, there's no excuse.
Nintendo clearly can't meet deadlines in order to release complete/finished games at launch. It's a sad state of affairs because Nintendo used to put quality into their games before anything else. Greed continues to consume them and that's why we keep getting these half baked, unfinished games at launch.
@@davemarquez770 the gamecube era was actually really good , but it had some of the setbacks that the n64 did (the game medium was driving developers away , and also they had to face off against the playstations 1 and 2 , which meant guaranteed loss). The gamecube did a lot better than the wii u , and its games , while they are really divisive within their respective franchises, they are very unique. Yeah i also hate Mario sunshine like you probably do , but that is pretty much the only unfinished notable game on the platform (not counting smash melee but thats beyond the point)
@@prismiemona One of the least divisive GameCube games on the console is Smash Bros. Melee, but even then, some people were turned off by the Melee community.
@@davemarquez770 you are seriously crying like a baby over an actual good Nintendo console? Wow you must have NO standards if you think the SHwITch is the best system they made
I think Nintendo has become greedy and lazy because of too much success in money made. When you experience too much success you become conceited. They are not getting enough backlash and criticism.
Imagine waiting 15 years for another Mario strikers game only for Nintendo to completely gone out of touch for us with their bad business practices that destroys not only the game but the franchise itself.
@@laniman4128 Except Splatoon 2 had a substantial basegame and is a multiplayer online game as well. It's not that Splatoon was wrong for it, it's just that they didn't understand the circumstances as to why it was so successful for Splatoon.
Wait till they bring back F Zero only to make it a 60 dollar beta test where they only finish the game with "free updates". Captain Falcon would be disappointed.
I paid 60 dollars for a game on the Nintendo Switch that has less content, characters, stages, and gameplay modes then Mario Hoops 3-on-3 for the DS for like 20 dollars. Like, jesus christ, the game has such great animations too, I feel so bad for the people who worked so hard on this cash grab--
I saw someone trying defend this game he said it had great gameplay graphics and art but conveniently left out the one thing most people have been complaining about the lack of content
I can understand people defending games like Kirby star allies, it was already complete and the DLC was just harder challenges. But when some people try to defend Mario strikers battle League? that's ridiculous.
@@MacDaddyYuunityAnd then some of these guys wonder why PC gamers insult them so much by calling them Nintendards or fanboys, Because they're defending bad or half baked products.
I feel like this game needs/needed at least 4 things so that everyone can/could be happy 1. Some more characters, maybe 6-8 more 2. Functionally different stadiums 3. Some sort of mission mode 4. A couple extra party-like modes like a target hit mode or a penalty kick mode or an endurance mode
And more items. Theres like only 5. Unlockables… I hate games in which you don’t unlock things by getting good. Like the other games where you could unlock Petey or the robots. Here you only unlock gear, which tbh, it is so lacking because it doesn’t make your characters better, they only redistribute your stats. Making a game where you practically don’t earn enhancements, where winning the cups is for nothing, and only cared about online play with major faults… I got so sad when I finnished the game in three hours. Got all cups, all monotonous…
Honestly, most big companies like Epic Games, Mojang, and Roblox are being like Nintendo with inconsistency. Epic is just a Valve wannabe, Mojang with the terrible moderation, and Roblox suffering the same fate as Mojang, it’s disappointing how these once amazing companies just became inconsistent as time went on. It’s sad honestly.
@@nolethXB so your upset a company in a capitalist world is making money? I have some news you might not like. Or is it because they don’t pump games out every year? Because that’s generally a good thing. When a game does come out it’s going to be really good. Half life Alyx proved that.
So NOW they are finally adding Daisy(And Shy Guy) to this mess, but its already too late and defeats the whole purpose. She should've been there to begin with, and the game itself is still barren. I don't care about this game anymore, and I'm not devoting more time and money into a mediocre product that already wore out its welcome.
Apart from graphics and online, I can't think of a single thing Battle League did better than Charged, like everything present in Battle League was done much better in Charged
Only animation polish Charged had more personality The game was faster, more hecktic More character diversity Character power ups. Sense of progression More items Stage variation (quickly recall the one with no electric fence that could become a 4v1 or the dk stage that left marks on the wood) Fun unlockables (freaking Petey Piranha!) Even the mechanic of charging the ball and hitting a super strong hit with a weak character at the end felt a lot more satisfying than an electric “perfect shot” of a strong character in BL.
This is why I was PRAYING they would leave Strikers in its grave. I knew they would Tennis Novices/Super Rushed the game. Dreaded it in the Nintendo Direct when they showed it off.
Honestly I’m so Upset Boom Boom is the goalie….I love when characters that are from Mario side series appear in Mario games such as the Ukikis appearing in the series starting in Mario 64 or Funky in Mario Kart Wii. Or just characters/enemies that don’t appear often. That’s why I’m upset the Kremlings where replaced…with the generic Boom Boom no less……
While Switch Sports is absolutely a nothing burger, Mario Strikers Battle League is a waste potential and it has no business being so expensive, but so barebones. All I hope is that Nintendo listens the criticisms with these game and stop rushing game out the door. Great vid BTW👌.
The saddest part is that a free-to-play Pokemon MOBA of all things started with more characters than a $60 "AAA" 1st Party Nintendo game Granted, half of the starting Pokemon Unite roster were originally Gen 1 but the game updates that adds characters/pokemon at least much more consistently than this game (as well as Aces and Super Rushed)
And data mines just revealed recently MORE fan favorite playable Pokemon that are coming very soon. (In case you haven't been keeping up, I won't spoil but one of them is like a GEN 2 FAVORITE let's just say) Like I have issues with the game (mostly the matchmaking aspect) but you know what... Game still feels like it's got legs and with the constant content updates, it's not going anywhere anytime soon. Mario Golf Super Rush I SWEAR just came and went... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Having a more higher roster of characters does not equal better game sadly, thats mobas for u, i quit it anyways, the game is nothing different from ur average gacha with overpriced skins, and now paywalling of literal characters.
Battlefront 1 has 16 maps, 20 characters, Galactic Conquest. Only released in 2004! Battlefront 2 has 24+ characters to play as, 18 land maps, 6 space maps, 4 Xbox DLC Maps which are free and be downloaded as a PC mod and only was made in 2005! Mortal Kombat Armageddon has 50+ characters to play from, and a story mode. Only was released in 2006! Mario Strikers Battle League has 10 characters, no story mode, one stadium with no unique features. Released in 2022. Nintendo. What the flump are you doing?!
Live services weren't really a thing till about 10 years ago at least. Before that most games were actually finished. But now it seems that every AAA game suffers from the 'fix it later' approach (aside from a couple exceptions) At least indie games exist I suppose.
People always say the Nintendo fanboys are the sole reason for Nintendo releasing mediocre games now but I think the casual audience is just as bad as the fanboys since they’ll buy anything because of brand recognition and nothing else Also recently I saw a comment on a Battle League video that said and I quote “Let’s start the “It’s not Mario Strikers Charged” meme like “it’s not Melee””
Here's my take on these "Free Updates" for incomplete games; if it's not done in *less then a month, than delay the game!!!* Don't waste peoples time and money on a $60 - $100 game (depending on where you live) that won't get finished for another few months or year. Especially if its a AAA game from a multi-BILLION gaming company.
Would’ve been better and more savage if you said Luigi’s Mansion compared to Battle League was like going from Pixar to Illumination. Props to anyone who gets the idea.
Yeah there has been a real downgrade in quality in Nintendo games during these recent years. Pretty much everyone knows "free updates" means "the game is unfinished but we'll take your money anyway. Also you will get a decent game in a year or two if you're lucky and we feel like it." Nintendo is becoming crappy, their games were way better before. One of my examples is Mario and Sonic at the Olympics 2012 (idk if it's the correct name, I'm french). This game has many game modes. From traditional sports games to mini games for a party type mode. It may not be perfect, but it's very replayable and it's actually fun. There are some good games on the switch but it doesn't make up for the quality of the most recent games.
Can we just stop pretending that Nintendo is as good as ever? They've fallen so hard since Iwata died and Reggie left. They are no longer a game company. They are a business that releases entertainment apparatuses that print money for them
@@kingpig8732 I can't think of a single fan game that was even half as good as Nintendo's masterpieces, but sure go off with that weird overexaggeration!
@@davemarquez770 They aren't masterpieces at all, releasing a game with a 60 dollar price tag when it has barely any content worth it, remember when there were games like punch out wii where there was so much content and they completely revitalised the series in 3d, added title defense and an endless mode to push it above all the other punch out games and really struck with all the character personality, now you have games like nintendo switch sports which has less sports than resort, and an accessory with it that only works for 1 boring game mode, oh yeah and fangames are free, cater towards what the community wants, such as super smash flash and you are fuckin lying if you want to buy nintendo shit sports or mario strikers battle league over playing a game with actual passion put into it. You really radiate the nintendo fanboy aura, so how about you keep flushing your cash down the drain and then you'll realise that other companies can make better games
@@davemarquez770 AM2R, pokemon Uranium, Super Mario Power Star Frenzy, Super Mario 63, Newer Super Mario Bros Wii, sure we the fans dont even hold a candle to the gods that are Nintendo huh
The only reason I started playing Nintendo games and consoles because of Kirby. If it wasn't for that little guy I would have never been interested in Nintendo or it's consoles.
And I thought Nintendo switch sports was really bad. Nevermind, they're BOTH stupid! A thing that was executed like Nintendo but correctly is Cuphead. It was so long before we got the dlc, but since the game was so good, people were fine with it since they knew it was going to be quality so it was highly anticipated and people loved it, instead of having low quality stuff come more of it half a year later. Quality over quantity, Nintendo. Or, in this case, both of those... In this case, Cuphead was ACTUALLY FINISHED, so updated were very HYPE compared to what Nintendo is doing.
Yeah, I miss when Nintendo used to do that. The only games they did that with this generation were Breath of the Wild, Smash Ultimate, and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Everything else (as far as I know) uses the "finish it later" model. :(
I've pretty much switched over to exclusively indie titles now because the AAA industry is failing to give us experiences worth remembering (with some exceptions) Great video btw. I discovered you when I saw your unfinished Nintendo games video and you have definitely improved man. As I say. At least we got indie games.
Kirby and the forgotten land is the only reason I still have a switch now. If it wasn't for that game, I would have sold my switch and saved up for an Xbox or PS5.
@@wolfetteplays8894 I haven't played either. But I guess I should have added indie games, because I do love deltarune , hollow knight and undertale and then there's botw, but most of (except a few) nintendo's AAA games are unfinished, $60 messes. Nintendo used to be a very good company, but nowadays it's games like mario strikers battle league with it's "free updates"that has disappointed me time and time again with nintendo's "finish it later" approach. Then there's NSO, which is a poor version of GameFly. And while I do love the above mentioned games, I can easily get them on PC through steam and an emulator respectively. But the fact that I love kirby and that there's a new game on the switch I had to take it.
@@Demeech One thing that I don't like about _Mario Strikers: Battle League_ is that Nintendo and/or Next Level Games (most likely Nintendo) took the Kritters out and replaced them with Boom-Boom for the goalkeepers!! Now, don't you understand me wrong, here - I don't *_*mind*_* Boom-Boom in being added to the roster (the more playable/semi-playable characters the better is what I always say here!) as the goalkeeper for each team; it's just that Kritter was *_*THE*_*_ _*_ONLY_* representation of the Kremlings that the first 2 Mario Strikers video games had there [we didn't even *_*get*_* King K. Rool as a playable character - for figuratively crying out loud - for either Mario Strikers video game; and yet he was in the _Mario Super Sluggers_ video game as a playable character along with 4 Kritter characters, which were recolours/palette swaps of each other (although that video game was not developed by Next Level Games)!], and now Nintendo/Next Level Games took *_even that_* away from us in the _Mario Strikers: Battle League_ video game!!! 😡😡😡😤😤😤👎👎👎
The gamecube flopped massively and they were releasing pure shit and buggy games nobody asked for, while the Switch has the most consistent quality games since the SNES and is a massive success. Seems like the "success = laziness" and "failure = trying harder" is a big conspiracy theory with nothing to back it up. Come up with better arguments.
I hope this will never happen, Nintendo still has a soul developing Single player games. But yeah, they are screwing up Multiplayer centric games already
Look at Mario Party Superstars, from what I’ve experienced, this “Free Update” baloney don’t seem to have happened with it, and even if so, it’s not as significant as Super Rush or Tennis Aces. And it’s a modern Mario Game.
Nintendo has one of the dumbest, most gullible, most blindly loyal fanbases I've ever seen, and I say that as someone that only owns a Nintendo Switch.
I felt as if I broke away from being such a blind fanboy ever since I played Paper Mario Sticker Star. It was literally the most biggest disappointment I had ever experienced from a Nintendo game. I'm not even joking, that might have been the moment I opened my eyes.
As a switch owner and someone who grew up with Nintendo I agree but I also think the games are reflective of the switch console itself. The biggest issue with the switch is the fragile, drifty joycons that Nintendo refuses to fix. Not to mention the low battery and lackluster online services.
I'm pretty terrified for the prospect of Mario kart 9 existing. I've wanted it for such a long time but now?? I have no doubt it will be a de-evolution of the series in many ways
Great video. I wanted Mario strikers battle league to be good but it just isn't. As a Daisy fan a wasn't as disappointed as others when it was revealed that she wouldn't be in the game but I was more disappointed in the fact that there were 10 characters. Mario has a lot of characters but they chose the most basic ones and even leave out staples like daisy. I would rather have a roster full clones like baby Mario or pink gold peach with or without daisy instead of 10 characters we've seen 100+ times. I thought the game was very lacking in content but I love the animations and the soundtrack (Albeit it's generic af) Free update model isn't going to work for this game.
Battle league feels like playing same mario party minigame over and over again. Fun minigame but it will get boring and repetetive if you keep playing the same one.
The problem with modern Nintendo imo is that they don’t put in enough effort in the game. For example, Mario Party Superstars is only good because it was what the Top 100 should’ve been. They didn’t have to make any new content. I like the game but the cracks were showing when their was only 10 characters and 5 boards. With the sports games like Battle League, they made Next Level Games rush it out the door/give them a limited budget to not have MORE than 10 characters, a small amount of stages with the only difference being the aesthetic (Mario Tennis Ultra Smash BS) and like no extra game modes. Only to add them in months down the line to reignite interest. Compared to the N64 and Gamecube era where Nintendo didn’t have as much money, they could still make amazing games that had a lot of content at launch. I just really hope this doesn’t effect their big games. They know that people will buy their games no matter the content and even potentially get more sales when the game gets the free updates. It’s just really sad.
This was really well put together your work is really fun and entertaining. I feel the same way and whenever I checked my total hours played for this game it makes me feel the hit from this game. Charged was so much fun and from what I remember had a better ranking system in my opinion. Thanks for making this video. All the best.
Yup you nailed everything perfectly. Yet we have select few people that still purchase the game because "gameplay" when Nintendo is giving them less content for the same amount of money and unfinished at that lol. The game is not worth $60. Compare the game to the superior Strikers Charged and you'll see quite the difference. Then they talk about the "dlc later" thing. Yeah DLC that should've already been there in the base game. To those that voted with their wallets and didn't support this practice, respect. I'm glad there are actually are people that didn't just buy the game blindly. Surprised me.
The game sold faster in the UK, USA, and Japan than Charged and is still in the top 5 on the Switch eshop. It's already gonna be the best selling in the series whether you like it or not. People like fun games, what's so bad about that?? Stop gatekeeping buying games just because YOU don't like it. I like it so I bought it. Twice. One physical and one digital.
@@davemarquez770 it's only the best selling of the three because it's on the switch, and that's it. I'm convinced that the gameplay is pretty good, but that's really all the game has, and people like demeech and a lot of people in the comment section do not think of just the big picture like you do, but rather the smaller details that were present in the first two games and that this game just doesn't have, or if it has, they're very limited. additionally, charged came out very early into the wii's lifespan, and most people just focused on mario kart wii, TLOZ: twilight princess and super mario galaxy. this game has just come out, and the switch is in the middle of its lifespan. 5 years? yeah, that's more than enough to the point where any first-party games can rack up over 2 million sales, even a relative failure like arms, which came out at launch, which is why people are complaining even more. we currently live in a world where free updates and DLC are two common things seen in the gaming world, but there's a huge difference between updating a game and content that should at best be only really downloadable and optional, stuff that should only affect the game on a very minor scale (that's how DLC should have always worked, so, basically, expansion packs), and a game that just adds content for free and those aforementioned expansion packs just aren't expansion packs, as an excuse to complete the game. to make it easier to understand, take the example of super smash bros. 4. sakurai had only 2 years of development and he made a complete game, with every game mode present, a pretty big roster, 8-player smash, trophies, a stage builder, a mii creator, etc. etc. the DLC only consisted of some characters, stages and music that really not even the majority of users needed (at least when playing casually, in competitiveness, it was just about bayonetta, but even then..), while the free updates fixed bugs and gave nerfs/buffs to characters, and in the worst case scenario, it added support for some more stages in 8-player smash. that's about it. that's an example of how to do DLC and free updates correctly, and the game came out in late 2014. now look at super smash bros. ultimate. 3 years of development after planning was finished, and even more time was saved since SSBU uses the same engine (and most of the features) as SSB4. and...at launch, the game had no stage builder and no mob smash either, which, for a game that is all about the roster, was a very strange decision. a lot of features that you see in ultimate right now have been added for free after launch, and to top it off, it has some of the most expensive DLC of any switch game currently available, with the additional characters costing almost as much as the game itself, and with such context, DLC feels much more necessary than in SSB4. additionally, all-star mode is just mob smash again instead of being its own thing like in the previous games. at this point, people only play ultimate just for the online mode that is somewhat refined from other multiplayer games on the switch, but there are a lot of people who play SSB4 online as well. so, to conclude the entire text, everyone that you see complaining about this game (even myself) focus on the smaller details that should have been added from the start because they are what make the game complete, or at least feel complete. as much as I want to buy this game, without those "smaller details", it's otherwise a generic football game with mario characters, which is what maybe casuals and a lot of switch defenders want, but actual fans don't. also the game costs $60, when it should have cost at most $40, which is another reason why people are complaining.
@@davemarquez770 its objectively inferior to it's predecessors. It fails to elaborate on anything established, and it fails to compensate in any meaningful way
@@davemarquez770 It's on the switch so it's naturally going to sell more than the one on the GameCube and Wii. For a switch game, it's underperforming anyways even compared to the other spinoffs like Aces and Golf. Even the sales in the UK have become stagnant as it only recently dropped to number 5 and quickly at that. U.S. sales are not doing well either. Japan also isn't so interested in the game either. Majority of people who bought the game have a negative opinion about it so it just goes to show you. It's not just about rather or not I like the game. It's about not supporting these practices of "finish it later" in order for us to get another product without that BS. If you want less content for the same price then good for you! Keep wasting your money on video games you already have a second time lol.
@@classicgameover You nailed everything right on the head so I didn't even really need to reply to him. You put the dude in hush mode. Seriously can't understand why people defend the "finish it later drive" like it's so dumb. Just compare the game to Charged to get an understanding but no though this guy pays over $120 for a bare bones content game lol.
Sometimes, I gotta wonder why I'm still a Nintendo fan in this day and age. It's been my main (and only) console library since I started gaming and that'll likely never change due to my attachment with it. Which makes me really sad whenever I see a game like Battle League come around. Another example of a Nintendo game shipping off lackluster and fixing the problem later. When a games only shining quality is high quality animation, it's not going to bode well. Maybe in 6 month Battle League will feel like $60, but that doesn't matter because what we had at the beginning didn't feel like what we paid for. Do not regret skipping this one.
Aight hot take: I’m completely fine with Nintendo releasing games early. My problem here is that they’re marketing them as FINISHED games when they should be calling it an Alpha or a Beta or whatever stage the games are ACTUALLY in. Developers, and even Companies should be more open about game development, only avoiding leaking spoilers as to encourage speculation. What do YOU think?
I agree but there's no way Nintendo would do that. The only free to play game I can think of is Pokemon unite and even that has a ton of microtransactions
Now that the game is finished, I like it even LESS than I did back at launch. Atleast I had hope about the updates making the game good, but now that it's finally finished...WOW.... just WOW.
Sadly, I feel like the gameplay, the animations and the OST are the only good things in this game. The rest is either really bad or extremely poorly implemented. That includes the lack of characters, the atmosphere, the CPUs, the matchmaking and even the gear system. And don't get me started on the clubs because I think that's the worst thing in this game (which is pretty ironic since it's the feature they tried to hype up the most).
Oh a lot of things are bad about Mario Strikers Battle League I was willing to forgive Nintendo for the 10 characters at launch if it meant the characters felt different enough not counting captain items and side skill shots from Charged they advertised it as 8 players online yet you have to go with 4 groups of 2 yet Splatoon 2 can connect 8 consoles together my goodness.
It's a damn shame Nintendo has been going towards this route with their games recently. I can forgive the first few titles within Nintendo Switch's lifespan since they're making up for it, but now that they're making a habit out of it, that's unacceptable. From what I can remember, it happened with Arms, Mario Tennis Aces, Animal Crossing, Mario Golf, Nintendo Sports, and now this? Please comment on the games I missed but it's just getting ridiculous at this point and what's worse is people defending this kind of behavior.
I agree with everything you said 100%. When me and my sister were talking to each other about how good Kirby and the forgotten land was, she told me that HAL made Kirby and the forgotten land (as well as the entire franchise), not Nintendo. And while it's true that HAL does work with Nintendo, HAL has control of Kirby not Nintendo.
ARMS was not unfinished. Its a fighting game and new IP. people just didnt like it. As for animal crossing, people loved that so much and it was 80% finished.
@@guyfierimtwi People did enjoy the game, but long time fans have stated the game is disappointing compared to the release on the 3DS. Arms released with a lack of content and despite it being a fighting game, doesn't excuse it since plenty of fighting games out there had more content on release than Arms and you can say it's because it's a new IP, doesn't excuse that problem. SFV and Bleeding Edge was criticized for that, so to excuse Arms because it's a new IP is ridiculous.
@@Renegado140 Here's the thing about animal crossing. When you put it in the "finish it later" group, everyone hates it. When you treat it standalone, it's a good game. And yet animal crossing gets treated like crap and super mario party with NO dlc gets like medicore scores and people "move on". Could you imagine if it got dlc for smp? We would be categorizing is it as a finish it later game.
@@guyfierimtwi But thats the thing, Animal Crossing is the kind of game that can last for a long time for anyone depending if you're patient. When i first played Animal Crossing it was on the 3DS and it had enormous amount of content. When Animal Crossing New Horizons came out, a lot of people enjoyed it but ended up as a disappointment since it has less features than previous titles, that's why people put in that group, is because while they introduced some new features, they also removed a lot at the same time. That to me doesn't merit something that should be rewarded. Despite all of this, yes Animal Crossing for the Switch is a great game, but it's being compared to their previous entry that is a better game imo, and I'm not alone when I make that comment. I don't agree being toxic when criticizing a game because these are videogames at the end of the day, but if any company is screwing up or a game is a disappointment, then it deserves to be criticized so the developers can take the feedback and do better next time. Unfortunately for Nintendo, they have been doing this a lot recently and the criticism is deserved.
I have one thing to say about the new strikers game. The game looks and feels fantastic! But it severely lacks in content. Such as characters and stadium hazards. If that was addressed from the launch then we wouldn’t have this review. Which does point out a lot of issues In the game.
@@henveee No, I'm just saying that I don't like those toppings usually on my burger, especially pickles. Your example isn't really the best to be honest.
A few things to say about your video, Demeech, I do not want to agree with you, I really do not, but sadly I do. Next Level Games issue would not do this; this is a Nintendo thing. Ever since they entered the mobile market, they do not mind launching games incomplete because people are willing to pay a lot of money to get a character like Yoshi and Pauline. I feel we need to do more like getting in touches with the game's developers like Devon Blanchet, Matt Smits, and Christopher Rice, just to name a few. If that is not possible, try to get in touch with the OG director, Mike Inglehart. Something definitely happens, and this strategy of free updates has got to stop, seriously.
Honestly, it pisses me off whenever Nintendo reveal a new sports game and people actually get excited for it. When are we going to wise up and take the hint that these games are just minimal effort cash grabs?
Battle League just felt like it lacked substance. The thing that I loved the most were the characters and the personalities they had. Peach used to have moxy, Daisy had spunk, Waluigi was raunchy, and Wario was a selfish dickhead. Think about stuff like the crotch chop, Wario's accordion, and Daisy being ready to straight up body her teammates because they were underperforming. Now it's generic "Oh no! Well, I'll get them next time!" It just doesn't have that same spunk or grit that it once had. It was my childhood game and I hate to see it disappoint like this.
Everyone who buys Nintendo games deserves to get screwed over. Boycott until they improve or don't complain when you shell out more money for the same garbage experiences.
I'm a pretty smart dude and I only buy Nintendo games that I know that are worth it, such as Kirby and the forgotten land, breath of the wild, hollow Knight, Sonic origins and a few others. I know when a game is really good and when it's half baked garbage
@@ay2948 I see what you mean, not sur how much longer we’d have to wait if the updates were never addenpost launch. Also, not trying to be rude, but Daisy is overrated
Jesus Christ... Honestly, this is your best video yet, Demeech! It's just so infuriating that Nintendo continues to deliver rushed video games out these days. And while that has unfortunately become a standard in the modern gaming industry, I expected so much better from the big N. They've gone from making cards since the late 1800's, to toys, and of course, video games. But, nowadays, they're a massive greedy co-operation that constantly take down channels featuring their music with 0 monetization in them, meanwhile, they arbitrarily provide their older games such as the Nintendo 64 that frankly shouldn't even need an expansion pack, along with other heinous crimes they've done. And you know it's a bad sign when even Peedy who heavily defends Nintendo is starting to see the picture! And it's also a bad sign when Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash does not seem so awful by comparison these days anymore. XD "Next Level Games Does What Nintendont!"
@@Demeech You're welcome! Without a doubt... I'll always be a Nintendo fan till the day I die, but I will NEVER work for this awful, anti-consumer company as my video game making career. If it was the last game co-operation on Earth, I'm just going to look for a different career.
