Mario: The Infamous History of Level 5-2 

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@@supersoniku No thanks! ❤

This trick should've been called "Devil's skill", not spell. It's called 悪魔の技 in Japanese.

😂💀

A story as old as the internet

especially some shit that was discoverd in 2004

Library of Alexandria strat

@RandomGameCritic everything wrong with Helluva boss season 2 episode 7 when?

true

😂😂😂 the spy of the garden of Eden Satan Himself

@@skywatcher458 Thank you Satan for the time save ♥♥

If you haven't seen it, watch WaifuRuns video called "Speedrunners Uncover 20 Year Old Secrets in Devil May Cry" (not sure if I can link the video without getting comment removed): it's another perfect example of this, where Japanese players found an optimal strategy for a boss years ago, that Western players didn't know about until they watched those old speedruns

Reminds me of the Nero family from Final Fantasy IX that was hidden in a Japanese guidebook for 13 years.

FUN IS INFINITE

This happens with multiple games

yep same happened with Super Mario Kart, they had known of Long Boosting and a few other strats from about 1 year after release (1993), the rest of us found out basically when Mario Kart Super Circuit was released for GBA and we started back tracking the strats from that to SMK. - Not exactly what happened but I was not involved in the community properly till 2017, story is well credible from Sami and KVD etc

Arguably the three fastest

That’s such a fire line, what a legend

When I first discovered speed running I didn't understand what TAS was, I thought it was people pulling that stuff off in real time. I guess now they actually are.

​@@D-Fens_1632what is TAS?

​@@DanneoYTit's a program playing a game as fast as it could, employing various game breaking strategies. Full form is Tool Assisted Speedrun.

@@DanneoYT to be specific it’s a program executing a human-crafted series of inputs frame perfectly (there are often theoretical tricks that are impractical or almost impossible for a human to execute frame perfectly with consistency). It’s not an AI, it’s like an automatic piano that plays from a roll but for a video game emulator, the piano plays itself but someone still had to write the roll

and you think that isn't the case

Dude did you even see how insane that is to hit? The practice and patience, mental resilience to literally imitate a machine at whatever frames per second SMB2 runs at? I'm so glad to be able to share this planet with such absolute beasts as niftski and all the other giants he stood on to get to where he is (Andrew G, Darbian, kosmic). NOTHING BUT MAD FUCKING RESPECT

@@ricktheweeb5382 Username checks out....bro Cold Fusion is still a pipedream after all the LHC experiments

@@Edgar193 How impressive it is isn't the same as height of accomplishment... if joking sorry and if not pick up a history book

Millions? More like 6000

Haha gd reference

Meta joke

@@nikodemi.8046Gd? Geometry dash?

SS?

@@TheMisterDarknight Summoning Salt

Speedrunning has some wild lore

Knowledge isn't buried, it's just overlooked.

hahaha fr

"Why yall runnin so slow?"

Dude if you're THE @@Eden_GT then you're a legend! How did you even find it?

Truly unbeleighvablle

​@@tvprestonh5129truly unbalavaboriele

yes i feel blessed

He's speed running content

I'd love to see him do a behind the scenes video where it's just a Speedrun of him making a short video

Yeaa

Going in I was like "If I hear about a motherfucking bus one more time I swear to god..." but he made it entertaining so it works.

"Let's have a little bit of waiting at a bus stop"

Notice this however: it's a bit of breaking the 4th wall, or self awareness, but every time creators that didn't do it started doing it, it was because they started to get bored and was the beginning of a decline in quality. So I'm hoping this will stay as a small joke, but it raises a small red flag for me.

​@guillermojperea6355 are u on meth?

It's not like the bus analogy is all over the comments anytime Summoning Salt mentions it

bro said MOOOOOOOOOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

99% people haven't played? I guess I was a lucky one

I definitely haven't haha. And watched the whole video, intrigued.

@@sleeper6548I don’t know anyone who hasn’t played it.

​@@samueldavis5895a lot of people haven't but 99 is too high. It's like a 40% for has played it. A lot of people know the game tho

The state of zoomer, doesn't even know the origin of Mario

Jon Bois has always been a big, obvious influence on Summoning Salt but I really do think this was the first time he (or anybody really) managed to *perfectly* replicate that intangible paradox of myth and humanity that Bois so effortlessly injects into his stuff. This story is ultimately just a silly little thing that some dudes did in a videogame but tracing every step and highlighting all of the human faces behind it and making it sound as important as the moon landing while never losing sight of the fact that this is still just some fun silly thing that fans of a game put a lot of work into really elevates it. In short, it's Pretty Good

​@@4QIceholejon bois is great the search for the saddest punt had one of the best twists in a yt vid I've ever seen

jon bois is the goat@@4QIcehole

I was laughing my ass off when I saw AndrewG clipping into a pipe as “Hall of the Mountain King“ plays in the background

This is just speedrunning defined. The recent Hades full heat run they said has a 0.0069% chance of completion so is impossible. When I saw that I just thought given enough people and enough time it will get done. A week later it was haha

What a quote.

also autism

Lmao@@ConanVictor

It's how the Allies cracked the Enigma code in WW2. The Germans knew it was breakable in theory. They just reasoned that the sheer time and effort it'd take would make it implausible anyone would.

Fiddingly insteado fa record screech it's simply 'the audio buffer constant looping.' Same as what happens when you bump the NES and knock the cart loose.

@@singletona082 That's only partially correct. What actually happened is for each N samples of audio, repeat that group a certain amount of times. It's basically an easy way to slow audio down without changing the pitch, but it causes the sound to take on a signature metallic aspect. The NES also did not have an audio buffer. When the cart gets knocked loose, the sound synthesizer just continues whatever notes it was already playing, which is why it doesn't take on a specific tone. GBA and Wii crashes do what you described.

HUH@@JoBot__ Today I learned. Thank you.

Those old controllers were absolute murder on the thumbs.

Bismuth commented on this vid a few hours ago but nobody saw it. go upvote it please.

Their rivalry is what we didn't know we needed

​@@LeoStaleywhich hours exactly? I scrolled through the entire 9 hours since the video was uploaded today and I cannot find Bismuth's comment.

Bismuth would make a 7 part video series about frame rules and we would love it. That's a bit slower than SummoningSalt's strat, but Bismuth can just take the next bus.

@@SushiElemental because he doesn't need to play perfectly to get a good time, one bus later is still a damn good time

It's what Summoning Salt is best at. I adore his long form documentary of entire games but I think a video like the 4-2 is still his best because of that.

They discovered that the knowledge was already known, so not entirely wrong

Bro the call-out at 10:54 felt personal lmao

Education% 39.39 (WR)

and is the same explanation for the bus on processors. Yes, its a real thing, does the same thing with data instead of mario, and has existed for decades.

And poor Bismuth got a brutal drive-by

​@@hakageryu-hz7jzso that's why it's called a bus!

It's like an appetizer before the entree. I'm happy with the appy, but I sure love an entree.

I second this. I love this more casual type of video while still having the topic being interesting and having recurring characters. I also love how there’s a little bit more energy than the standard long form videos. I think whenever he does short videos like this he should have this type of energy and have the longer videos like usual for the hardcore viewers.

​@@MintiesPoopinI do too / illeyez505 is a golf youtuberr,.,..

I would probably refrain from calling him "SS"

@@yungthicks nope

How did nobody see this comment?

yoooo

Where are the upvotes for the best speedrun video maker?

This needs to be pinned, lol

replying to try to bump this comment in the Algorithm™

BRKsEDU here, nice!

What are you doing here? 😂

caraio é o edu

Eduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Oii edu

Same bro

Thar vidros out of date. Niftski just set the WR with the first ever tas tie to 8-4 and the final framerule was lightning 4-2

@@ilect1690 Ofc its out of date, most of the videos on this channel are probably out of date, its just the nature of speedrunning

every video which presents speedrunning can only be a snapshot of the current state of the art. @@ilect1690

​@@eatingyoshi4403you are right. illeyezcobra is a good youtuberrr.,..,

There was a very brief funny moment early in the vid when he showed the comments on Andrew's speedrun. One of them mentioned Salt would make a video on 5-2. I love it

​@@mindtrait0r879specifically said lost levels wr progression but yeah pretty much

But...Jimmypoopins!

And then the bus came in.

seven minutes in and I am in TEARS. Mountain King was so perfect for that. It’s so much better when you recognize what the music is and therefore what is about to happen to the music

Comedic Editing Genius

omg based

Hi friend. Well done!

this is a moment in history

Eh, he's done it before.

Remember, though: his episode on 4-2 totally slaps. One of his best.

You say that while only watching the first minute of the video

He's an essay expert

46 likes in 4 minutes is crazy

The use of In the Hall of the Mountain King was pretty funny, to me.

you think he's not self-aware in other episodes?

loved the little forshadowing part - it just took him 10+ years :D

what do you le' mean?

@@caesaria no.

Mario: The Infamous History of Level 5-2

The most devilish lick that Salt has ever hit, and that includes the Matt Turk joke from a while back

BUS METAPHOR MAN!

It is impressive but at the end of the day it's just sad.

@Comment-sw5rz You must be fun at parties

@@Intrinsety 😂

190 bpm, baby!!!! Mans is a monster and I'm here for it!

watching his hands is like looking at a robot playing the piano

ok

Same lmao

Yeah, that’s a little bummer for me 😅

Given “Hall of the Mountain King” evokes PEAK Gremlin energy, I wholeheartedly approve of its usage here where speedrunners cracked this game over their knee like a plywood board.

Not really for me, Grieg's music is used everywhere on the Internet, especially in memes.

His runs don’t count for me since he is cheesing with keyboard but whatever

Yeah…forget being greatness

@@timf6626 Well show me another person who can “cheese” it with a keyboard like him and I’ll agree with you

@@timf6626 xD he also took part in live races where he played on the original hardware using a controller, and he achieved very good results on the same level as when playing on the keyboard. some people's takes are... something.

@@timf6626if it’s so easy on keyboard than go ahead and do it yourself

Pretty much.

If my girl left me but summingsalt dropped a new video the day was a good day

​@@pg-erk3938love is temporary, salt is eternal

@@pg-erk3938 this is the best comment I've ever seen

He’s so good that he’s been quoted by kosmic saying this about his planned future attempts of SMB1 any%: “I just hope the grind is longer this time” One day later, he reset the world record 💀

But he uses a keyboard...

He is just as good with actual hardware. There is plenty of proof from events and such he has taken part in. Niftski is a beast! @@Sir_Adam

@@Sir_Adam yes, it is insane how he is good with both keyboard and original hardware at the same time...

@@KimParkkinen But how can you put his run in the same ranking as others who use an NES controller? Keyboards give you much easier use of your fingers depending on the layout. That's like putting a keyboard user against a controller user in an FPS game.

You’re first!

@@Saturnth damn thats crazy

how did you get 25 likes within 1 minute damn!!!

@@elmallocby being first

One of the only channels I have notifications turned on for

Make it a reality!

Make this.

That would be awesome to hear. There is definitely overlap between performing rhythmically complex music and performing precise inputs in a game. Over time speedrunners develop an internal clock, and end up “feeling” the timing of inputs similar to how a musician would feel an odd time sig. I wonder if we’ll ever see people running games to a metronome.

​@@theoppositeistrueObviously, having made this suggestion, I'm a little musically inclined. I'm come to believe that a human being tends to feel their natural rhythm in the range of 100-150, with energetic dance music feeling best in the 120-180 bpm range. If we want to translate that down to beats per second, we're looking at 2-3 beats per second. And musically, that would be for a quarter note, with music commonly breaking that down into two eighth notes, and at a more complex layer, four sixteenth notes. Only the most articulate of artistic endeavors would consider using a thirty second note or further, and only then for a deeper reason than a performance would ever present. So, that was a long winded way of saying that humans feel good processing things musically around 2-3 beats per second, and those beats can be broken down into 2 or 4 times by most people as dense bits of data our mind is processing. If you multiply all these options together, you get 4, 6, 8, and 12 "frames" of data for the everyman, and maybe some extension for people with good rhythm. So now lets think about what video games are asking of us. Most video game engines are processing input from the user/player/speedrunner anywhere from 30 to 60 times a second most commonly, with some going further, but sticking to the norm is best here. This means that based on the range of "frames" per second and the range of frames per second we get from video games, can we find some reasonable comparisons to make? While our numbers are a bit conservative for the everyman, we can still see that at the highest frame processing rate theorized still has 2.5 frames of video data happen for the lowest input rate of most games. That's why it's a learned skill. If you're not musically inclined, you may miss a lot of detail from a performed piece. Likewise, if you're not practiced with video game inputs, you may miss a lot a jumps in a Mario game. So let's think about this the other way around. What does it take to keep up with a video game if defined by beats per minute or music? EDIT: All the math after here is bad, I'm wrong by a factor of 10. Should be 3600 times a minute. If you're playing a 60 inputs per second game, you're requesting data to be processed and acted on 360 times a minute. I just so happen to have a way to break that into something I can have you listen to. For my own amusement I've been working on taking the song Chattermax from the album Bluey: Dance Mode! and turning it into a "Max 300" styled step chart, calling my chart "Chatter(Max 360)", as nods to both the proper title Joff Bush gave to the track, as well as the lineage of the song charts that inspired the work. But that title I gave should have brought up a flag. The "Max" series of songs are titled From the original Max 300, a 300 bpm song, set up the be the end boss for anyone wild enough to play of song on the hardest difficulty, and get a full combo, but on top of that, have less then like 16% of the steps be below the Perfect rating. The song regularly had you hit runs of eighth notes at a blazing 300 bpm, but there's a secret behind that. Conceptually, 300 bpm can also be done at 150 bpm, but instead of eighth notes being the smallest note, it would be a sixteenth note. Compare that with what we said the everyman could commonly process. The everyman simply needs to learn to process one more division of beat further to be capable of processing something like Max 300. That's still a lot to ask, but now you have context. But now, Chatter(Max 360). Yes, it plays on the screen at 360 bpm, but I was only able to set it there because Chattermax was written as a 180 bpm song and I doubled it for the game. And again, with eighth notes being the deepest it goes. BTW, if you listen to the song the rhythm of the words "Chattermax" is on the eighth notes. Chat-ter-max, one-and-two. If you can process the individual beats at that speed ad nauseum, you can be a speedrunner. Okay, where did I go? Anyway, yes, a metronome at 180 bpm with you processing each input as a sixteenth note is what Niftski is doing speedruns of SMB1, and he should use a tool like my silly idea for practice. Now to copy paste this out, and start recording a really badly presented video essay.

@@cliftonchurch6039 I understand the logic, but don’t know how to program the software. If you do end up creating a piece of music where each input of the SM1 TAS run = a note in the arrangement, you have to upload it!! It doesn’t even need to be made using a program that translates the controller inputs into midi. It could theoretically be made by painstakingly writing all of the audio / midi entirely in the timeline of your DAW, where 0:00 in-game is of course 0:00 in the track. Would be even better if multiple instruments were used to make it musical, rather than just a sort of timing-map-that-uses-audio. Reaper will let you use a gamepad as a midi controller. If someone were to have both the emulator and reaper running simultaneously, they could both play and record the midi at the same time. Would love to hear that

same here. It would be fun to try speedrunning one day but it would take so much hard work and dedication for sure

Then he can make a video about his world record video on world records. And I will watch it.

i was sleeping... this 27 25 woke me

People can get more than that

Bismuth commented on this vid a few hours ago but nobody saw it. go upvote it so it gets into the top comments.

Technically, but it’s the history of 5-2

Does his work ethic frighten you as you feign empathy.

@@JoshuaKevinPerry his schedule has been MUCH faster than it used to be, it's reasonable to at least ask

I´ll guess he´s just flowing, having perfected his production/scripts/always humor should for sure have impacted his "productivity". :) go salt@@echowoods7977

​@@JoshuaKevinPerrydoes empathy frighten you as you feign edge

@@aliceyuri lmao, fr tho put down the thesaurus

Petition to create a Nobel Prize for Speedrunning. Imagine seeing the new revolutionizing strategies explained to the swedish nobility by 420_BlazeIt

Top... gee

@@Gurrehable Imagine them announcing that 420_BlazeIt had won an award for developing the four-frame setup for the subpixels in the 5-2 Wrong Warp…

Physics & the Peace categories comes to mind...

It is crazy. it makes you wonder the amount of depth that goes into other games and levels we havent even though about

Ironically I'm way younger than them.

This is beyond glazing. What you’re doing is something more akin to throating his meat and eagerly waggling your tongue on the sack. Do better lil bro.

And not just any level, but a really short warp level, lmao