Its tricky because if you totally listen to the actor then you end up like Harrison Ford with Han Solo who exited rather quickly in this sequel trilogy. But then if you only get the director, you have mark Hamill with luke, who doesnt leave fast but leaves badly.
The fact that mark hates the Luke in the new trilogy for the same reasons I do I find astonishing! The moves they made with that character is unforgivable... it killed the Star Wars saga. They should have hired people who understand the most iconic character in the Star Wars universe and made him better!
There was actually multiple interviews after the film was completed and released where Mark says that he regrets what he said about Rian's vision and he was totally wrong and that it worked out better then he could have imagined
@UrbanExplorer1000 Yet they were totally fine with him in the documentary for promoting the film! Saying that he thinks it was badly handled, they easily could have edited it out and they didnt. I genuinely believe Mark has more integrity then you think
Oisin D On one hand I want to agree with you, but on the other hand...Mark not liking it and sharing the sentiments of many unhappy fans, only to suddenly have a change of heart, seems way too...convenient, and beneficial for Disney. It seems equally likely to me that Disney kept his negative opinions because they knew they could just tell him to say positive things later. Ultimately I don’t really know. But the timing is too questionable to ignore.
he wanted to get the gang back together in 1 movie, he wanted to be luke and provide us the old luke because we never got to meet the old luke, sadly enough we got this bull crap and i feel terrible for mark hamill he is such a great guy and talented actor. i hope he won't be depressed
Exactly! This director sucks he's rushing to cut off the classic characters! The old Luke in my vision was supposed to be similar Obi wan in the New Hope and at least be in the story til chapter 9 or further! He's one of the main heroes I thought it was a sequel but sometimes looks a reboot...
Yes. I was listening to that douchebag insinuate that Mark wanted to be the star of the show, not the Obi-wan chararacter. He just wanted to character of Luke to be treated with some respect
Look at his face. Don't tell me he didn't hate this movie. Edit: apperently Mark wishes people didn't use him as a bludgeon against the movie. I respect that, he didn't want to be the one who divided the fanbase. I just hope he understands why so many people saw him as the voice they didn't have.
@Henry Louis21 he does. lucasfilm told him to shut up. once these films are done and he is no longer under their contract he will tell us how much he hated it again
dude he didn't agree with anything they did with his character. he criticised the film time and time again. you can tell he can't stand Rian Johnson and that he also had some issues with JJ. Just because you like the last jedi doesn't mean Hamill did. Are you gonna tell me Alec Guinness loved the originals? What about Harrison Ford? I'm not stubborn, Hamill was very vocal for months about his views on TLJ, he tried to tone it down a lot there is obviously a lot more he wanted to say but tried not to be disrespectful. Eventually he realised, with the help of Kennedy or Iger or someone that he can't keep talking negative about TLJ. So he shut up like a good professional. Almost everything Luke did in that movie was out of character, Hamill knew that and didn't like it. Tom Kane who has voiced various characters in Star Wars spoke out against The Last Jedi at celebration this year, criticising the Holdo character and the fact they killed off Admiral Ackbar. Hamill did not agree with the direction the new trilogy, especially TLJ has gone in, he was vocal about it for months. There are full interviews available online in text, video and audio. Hamill started to praise TLJ after it came out because he had to. You are the one living in a fantasy world where Hamill is probably your idol but TLJ is your favourite film and it pains you to see him disagree with you. And if Hamill somehow magically changed his mind and looooooooved the movie, means next to nothing. It split the fanbase, people who hated the prequels worship them now. Disney and Lucasfilm effed up. Whether you liked the movie or not you have to be able to admit that
How about Mark Hamill crying at the end. I know actors get them selves to cry for a scene but it seems he felt genuine remorse over his character and the production. He didn’t have context when he made the scene all he could do was conjure up how he was feeling about everything.
I had a feeling you would comment on this video😅.This video actually breaks my heart and describes how this didn’t only effect us as fans, but also the original cast. Really is a terrible thing, Luke deserved so much more...
This video, still to this day keeps tearing my heart. It's just so heart breaking to see my hero Luke, depressed and sad, and in the end even crying :( I just can't watch this, its too much for me
Ya, they had this weird thing going on in the second movie where no one else but rey had a time to shine. Everyone’s moment got cut short or succumb to being a plot device
It's subversion for the sake of subversion and thinking it's avant garde. Void of logic. No respect for the past. Intentionally destructive. Some major miscalculations and incompetence happened all around, especially above Rian Johnson's level. Someone hired and approved this script, paid the bills, gave him the go-ahead. Reboot the trilogy. And do it soon.
Gold Fishy It’s absolutely not subversion for the sake of it. It’s about Rian’s take on how these people are PEOPLE. This is why Luke’s life has worn him down. And Rian’s realisation that JJ had no answers and no plan, so let’s get rid of the one-dimensional Snoke and let’s focus on the real meaty piece: Adam Driver. Then let’s offer a surprising and tragic answer to the mystery of Rey’s parents by revealing they’re just junkies who sold their daughter off. And he wanted to move on from the old cast and genuinely focus on the new stuff, rather than rely on endless callbacks. There’s a difference between ‘respect’ to past and ‘clinging to the past’. Every choice he made was quite logical. These choices may not be escapist and ‘Star Wars’ enough for the fans but that just means he was the wrong man for the job, not that he’s bad at what he does necessarily. And given the fact that he’s just released an excellent, intricately plotted and perfectly executed mystery film, it’s fair to say he knows exactly what he’s doing.
@@sahirkhan2835 Part of being a good director is knowing your genre, understanding your audience, and respecting the heritage if it's a sequel. Three areas Rian failed to accomplish. Yes, he's a great director otherwise. Brick is fantastic. Also, characters are not PEOPLE. They are representations of reality, not reality itself. There is a necessary economy to film-making and it needs to function on many levels simultaneously. Rian created an illogical story heavy on social commentary and not much else.
@@sahirkhan2835 Success in a film doesn't validate another. M. Night S. (Don't wanna spell that last name lol) made tons of great movies but he also made The Last Airbender. Just because someone is capable of making a good movie doesn't mean they aren't capable of making a bad one. And subversions don't necessarily mean that they fix problems of unoriginality. In fact Rian creates even more problems by adding these subversions. Luke tosses his father's lightsaber. This is his FATHER'S LIGHTSABER. The man was willing to due for his father but once he sees it he tosses it. Rey's parents being nobody's would've been a wonderful subversion if Rey ever had to work for her power. It would've solidified that the power she has, she has earned, except in reality her character is so bland and poorly written that she doesn't deserve or earn any of the power she has Rian's job should've been carrying the story over from Force Awakens. If you remember, Vader never really was around for a New Hope. Sure he was the main antagonist but he was never really built upon other than the fact that he's evil, he was once good, and he's powerful. So Snoke's lack of character in ep7 is totally understandable. Rian didn't kill Snoke because he was one dimensional. He killed him because he didn't want to write anything clever for him and wanted to surprise the crowd. That's something he loves doing, and though I haven't watched Knives Out, apparently it's doing well and good for him. JJ gave him the setup (as unoriginal as it was) and what Rian should've done was take the time to develop the Luke-Rey relationship as well as the Kylo Snoke relationship. This would certainly be something new because we've rarely seen dark side training and it would've been a perfect way to build all 4 characters. People don't want endless callbacks but people also want what they love to be respected. Perhaps the largest mistake Rian made was fucking with Luke. For some reason Rian has this perception of Luke that he's a god and that we the audience needs to know that he's only human. Except the audience has known that he's just human ever since the beginning of Star Wars! Luke fails and fails and fails all throughout the OT and we love him because he doesn't let anything keep him down. He somehow always finds the power within himself to do what's right even if it means that he dies. That's why we all fell in love with Luke. Not because he was a hero, but because he was someone we could relate to. We all stumble and fall in our path and Luke inspired the same feeling within ourselves. We should pick ourselves back up and keep going. Now something really funny though is that Rian preaches at how we need to shit on Luke to make him "realistic" but Rey has barely had any sort of trials in her life, yet she's the strongest Jedi in history for some dumb reason. What exactly has she failed at? What hardships have shaped her into a better person? How has her character grown throughout the series? Why should we feel excited for her? Why should we feel sad for her? We never get these questions answered because Rey is a marysue. There's no depth, just power.
“Hes not the Luke now, He’s the obi wan” I don’t recall seeing obi wan in ep4 being a grumpy old hermit refusing to speak to anyone. He was full of hope and optimism, literally forcing Luke to become a Jedi. Luke here is clearly the opposite of that. The people at Disney that had power in this film were NOT fans nore cared about George’s starwars
Disgusting. The guy at 1:04 makes it seem like Mark is jealous about not being the main character and therefore disagrees with the script. Mark doesn’t think he should be the main character, he just knows that the character he’s playing should be the Luke Skywalker we know.
i agree, in no way did it sound like he was pushing for the protagonist role, it sounded more like he wanted what his character would be from the original triligy only aged to thepoint where he has to be the one to teach what he learned and practiced. the idea that anyone can be redeemed if they are willing to do what is right.
I disagree. The guy just wanted to elaborate that luke's part is akin to that of obi-wan. The old instructor archetype. Nothing more. I also believe that hammil has come back on his words regarding the last jedi. I'd take that into account when passing judgement.
Gertjan Van den Broek you think hamill is coming back from what he thought about the last Jedi? Are you kidding? It literally ruined the whole new trilogy. Maybe if the second movie had meaning instead of just killing off the best characters and most loved ones then the whole trilogy and the third movie would have been better. They sound so smug these writers because they made the story and they know mark hates them for what they have done. “It’s the realization that Luke isn’t Luke”... why the fuck wouldn’t Luke be the Luke we know? Rian Johnson wanted to subvert expectations because he hates Star Wars.
“He’s not the Luke skywalker of this trilogy.” What? Do they not understand that this is the problem with the movie?! It’s okay if he’s not the main character or hero but he can still be Luke skywalker
This is the problem with seeing characters as simply tools to tell a story, instead of stories as a tool to present characters' journeys. It's the thing that divides those of us who care about the fable and those who care about political messages in art.
They mean it as - he is now the mentor to Kylo and Rey... He is no longer the trainee that Luke was in the originals, but now the master with his own pupils (like Obi Wan was in the originals).
They're talking as if Luke was just an ARCHETYPE. Luke was a well developed character, with strengths and weaknesses. Rey is an archetype (the Mary Sue).
I get that but he didn't even do as much as Obi-Wan in the OT. He failed once, renounced the force, refused to train Rey, and then died. That character would be interesting in a story but my thing is that since it just so happens to be Luke Skywalker it seems almost disrespectful or lazy
shimshimma well it’s because of TLJ that most are seeing ROS as even worse than so. They had to explain everything that was nothing that happened in episode 8. This franchise is at the Hobbes and Shaw of the Fast and Furious stage where you go for the pew pews and say fuck you to the story
rjtomato How is it because of TLJ that ROS is a mess? It’s a mess because JJ didn’t have any answers, he just knew he didn’t like Rian’s. And he wasn’t going to build on them. Rian didn’t do anything to undo JJ’s work, he just went a different way with it. But JJ spent most of ROS actively undoing Rian’s work instead of picking up the pieces and telling a good story. And he desperately brought back to Emperor to paper over the cracks. No competent director does any of this. ROS is entirely JJ’s fault.
Sahir Khan Lets just be clear, I’m referring to the writing not the directing as which your comment remarks. The writing in which at the top of my head JJ did episode 9, Rian did 8 and I’m pretty sure (forgot his name) the writer of two of the three original trilogy movies. I want to also make it a fact, not an opinion, that Rian DID undo the story telling episode 7 set up. There’s an endless list of story points that I can say but I’ll start with two KEY story arcs that obliterate your statement of ROS being its own fault “entirely” The first is Snoke. Killed him with no character development at all. His death is not impactful. The more time a character has on screen the more invested you will be of what becomes of them. The second is Luke fucking SkyWalker. Why in the first movie it was written as if Luke went into HIDING but if there is an emergency here’s a MAP TO FIND ME if you need me. TLJ: “Luke, I need you.” “No, I don’t want to be FOUND!” Not even going to explain that character flaw, but mention that I’m pretty sure a CHARACTER DEATH can greatly affect how you write Episode 9. So yes it is a mere fact that the faults of Rise of Skywalker is in fault because of The Last Jedi.
It shows how much of a class act Mark hamill is that even though he doesn’t agree with the script, he still did his best and played his part to the best of his ability
“It’s not my character to decide. It just belongs to other people that rented it out to me”. Luke will always be YOUR character. You never rented him. You’re the one and only Luke Skywalker, Mark Hamill.
I think he's talking about how George Lucas created his character... And how the new directors just disregarded that character and created a new luke... That it's not the new directors decision on how mark should act..
@@manuelreyesjr.8630, you do realise that Lucas actually agrees with the direction Luke's Character was taken in. He originally planned for that to happen. And as for it 'not being their business into how mark should act' Rian Johnson was the DIRECTOR, Mark's job is to help him deliver his vision, not the actor's vision. If Luke wasn't how he was in TLJ he would have been either a boring ass stonefaced serious devoted Jedi like prequel jedis, or the same whiny impatient brat that he was in the original Trilogy, it would have been a yawnfest. In fact RoS was actually the impact of all the fans complaining and it pretty much became a fanfiction i could find on reddit.
"In this trilogy he's not Luke Skywalker. He's Obi" Just shows how much they Fundamentally misunderstand Luke, Obi Wan, and the franchise. Obi Wan didn't abandon anyone or his Jedi beliefs. He stayed loyal to the Jedi and to Luke for years, watching, protecting. And later teaching. Whereas TLJ Luke abandoned his friends, family, and the Jedi ways. It shows how superficial they view the franchise. “Luke is old, and alone. Obi Wan was old and alone. They are so similar. We are great writers”. There’s nothing similar to the depiction of these characters. Their motivations are polar opposites. Obi Wan was selfless. Luke was selfish.
theOmnos very telling of their wide open lack of creativity, and the fact that everything they do is a new spin or retread of something else that’s not only been done before, but has been done in star wars lol
@@0derpred0 but they can't even do that properly... They fundamentally misunderstood what the hell each character was about, the motivations and the actual meaning of their actions.
I think when he said he is Obi, it was more like his role as a side character in the movie but i could be wrong, doesn't matter anyway, the sequels are not canon in my head and i've disliked them since TFA (which is the only one i watched of them)
"in this trilogy he's not Luke Skywalker, he's Obi" Wrong. He's Luke Skywalker. Hamill understood that and they patronised him. Don't worry we got you, Hamill. You're a legend for being so professional.
I think he was saying that, Luke Skywalker isn't the protagonist of this trilogy, he's the mentor. And I think Mark understood that, and we all wanted to see that... but that's not what they did with the character haha
He also isn’t even like Obi-Wan in this film, Kenobi was for training Luke and even convinced Yoda to train him in Empire. Both were hermits, but they weren’t even portrayed similarly.
Joseph Trueblood His body language is what mine was right before I quit my job. He looks like he was probably under a huge amount of anxiety. He knows he could do better and he is constantly watching people tear something valuable to him apart but he has to do it. I'd be surprised if he ever came back as a ghost (unless he already had signed on to do it)
It's sad hear what Mark says! He has totally the right to own something on how Luke is been portrayed! If George was the head of the saga again... It would be different! This director and that woman sucks in star wars
@@FordzyS No one is suggesting Mark write the screen play, just saying he should have input. Plus, the evil twin clone has already been done in Star Wars Legends.
"It's not my character to decide, it belongs to other people, they just rent it out to me." It's heartbreaking to see him break to the point he felt that way about Luke. Even if he's not in charge on how Luke was written, he's the one who brings that character to life. He at least, deserved to be heard for his opinions. After all, Mark Hamill is probably the last person on Earth that wanted to see a Star Wars movie fails.
At least Tommy didn’t actually hit Lisa... Ruin Johnson actually ruined Star Wars. He would be hung if this were the 1800s. He tarnished a national treasure.
anime is for losers Mark Hamill showed up every day on set, acted his ass off and was cordial. He is allowed to have whatever opinions he wants because frankly after 40 years I trust him to know the part of Luke. Despite Mark being really self deprecating he is actually a very intelligent well versed character actor. The guy knows what he is talking about
1:05 Thats so unfair. The way he says it, its like Mark is an egoistic little kid that wants his character to be the protagonist, just because he is in the movie. Its pretty obvious the only thing Mark wanted was to have a well written story for his character, instead of this dumpster we got from Rian
This is depressing me. You can see how upset Mark is here. Mark deserved better, Luke deserved better... the fucking Star Wars fandom deserved better. My love for Star Wars was hit by a bullet with this movie.
ya its so full of strange and bizarre creative choices that dont make sense and its depressing because there isnt much we can do about it except move on
I feel so bad for Mark. He had already signed a contract so he had no choice but to do what Rian said, even though he knew it would completely destroy the character. He was in a hopeless situation.
Mark was the one person in all of Star Wars that cared about his character, now Luke's dead and had his grave shat on by Disney, Star Wars is no longer a epic, it's a Greek tragedy.
johnskywalkers11 Snoke doesn't get enough attention, they did his character DIRTY. He had the potential to be a great villain but they humiliated him without even building him up.
For this crap to be a 'Greek tragedy' would imply there is culture and emotion behind it. NuWars utterly lacks those things, and more. I can barely express myself this shit makes me so mad, Kennedy , JJ, Iger, the lot should cook in hell for eternity for their shameless greed and cynicism.
That final behind the scenes shot of Hammil weeping and unable to rise on his own contains more raw emotion than anything portrayed in the entirety of the franchise, old or new. Heartbreaking!
@@cheezeebutter452 I would totally understand if he couldn't get up and was lamenting the loss of a character that gave hope to generations, as Rian Johnson squatted over the corpse of Luke Skywalker and squeezed out a bantha sized dump onto it.
It is even more sad given what scene this is. It's Luke seeing his school, his legacy being burned to the ground. You (And probs Hammil) can see this as Rian destroying the Legacy of Luke here...
That's an awesome point, a main character in a more cerebral fashion, always there but less about the action and more about helping out. Ugh it pai a me that this never happened.
Kathleen Kennedy: " Fucking Starwars is a power only one(Lucas) has achieved but if we work together I am sure we can discover the secret" Rian Johnson : " I will do wathever you ask. I pledge myself to your teachings"
Handsome Jack Yes, but a NECESSARY EVIL thanks to CLUELESS DISNEY SHILLS❣️ THE VAMPIRE 🐭 brung this 💩 down on itself, & NOW DESERVES EVERYTHING NEGATIVE IT HAS COMING! THEY THINK THEY OWN THE 🌍 !
@@mr.smiley4268 making death threats to the actors isn't justified just because you don't like the direction of the film's. They ruined that Anakin kids life
And that they don't even understand said characters. Obi Wan wasn't at all the way Luke is portrayed in Last Jedi. Luke could've been supporting cast while still being true to his character.
Obi and the old Luke are nothing alike. Obi, when asked to help, decided to help while also teaching Luke the way of the force. Luke just mopped around waiting to die.
Luke did exactly what obi wan would do. The only reason he didn’t kill anakin was because that was his brother. But yet he still pressured Luke to kill Vader even though it was his father. Luke attempted to kill ben because he wouldn’t be able to go through seeing his nephew become another anakin.
He purposely throws his lightsaber on Return Of the Jedi, so... he did that. And in the originals he complains a lot, also he oftens don't find himself capable of doing what he´s supposed to do. Luke is also a human being, we aren´t always optimistic. There needs to be downs to go up.
Nacho Casal and he almost killed vader. Which is something people kinda forget when he does the same with ben; he was always impulsive, and not a PERFECT human being that cannot make mistakes just because of the events of the ot. Its fucking stupid. They wanted a “jesus christ” out of him forever, and couldn’t accept grief and regret.
Nacho Casal he throws the lightsaber down in ROTJ because he refuses to kill his father. Jesus Christ, man. LOL! Don’t try to make up shit for your own narrative
The pushback against Hamill in this clip is softly accusing him of having a big ego and wanting to dominate the new trilogy. I don't get that sense from Mark's public statements at all. Yes, he wanted a reunion with Carrie and Harrison, and he definitely wanted a bigger slice of the action. For God's sake, he was only on-screen for 30 seconds in TFA. Could anyone blame him for being disappointed in that? I think Mark was very clear-eyed about the fact this was not his trilogy. He just wanted to be the same Luke he was in the first trilogy, and he also wanted to be the wise mentor. But, JJ and Rian denied him on both. This Luke was completely unrecognizable. At least Obi-Wan tagged along through much of ANH and played a wise advisory role. Mark didn't even get to do that! So, Rian and that other guy's comments about Mark were just nonsense. The new trilogy shows contempt for elders rather than respect. Literally the film's vision is that the best thing the old guard can do is die and let the young ones "who already know everything they need to (paraphrasing Yoda in TLJ)" get on with it. Pffffft!
He understood Star Wars, and understood the fans... Much like Ryan Reynolds in wolverine origins and Deadpool... To go against him is to go against who he is the ambassador of, which is the fans
I wouldn't blame JJ. I would say JJ definitely built up Luke a lot in TFA that made us excited to see him at the end and more importantly what happened to him. Why he left behind a map. How powerful he is etc. Even though Luke didnt have a lot of screen time, he had a lot of mystical presence. Ofc Rian reversed direction and gave him lots of screen time but a bad excuse for why luke disappeared and basically nulled the hype. The only good thing Rian did was make Luke a mentor and mention the fall of the jedi. And at least make Luke die in front of twin suns. Even with RoS JJ is giving Luke screentime. Tbh JJ really should have stayed on to at least make the story cohesive. Ideally Trevarrow as he and mark hamill agreed the most on Luke's character
@@Megadog33 It was George Lucas's idea to make Luke a depressed hermit and an unwillingly teacher of a young woman. That was one of the few things that survived the gutting of his story treatments for a sequel trilogy. Not saying it was a good decision. But JJ is not to blame on this one. Now Rian probably took that concept a few steps too far though. For the next movies we just need a completely new cast set in a distant time in the future or past. Stop tampering with Lucas' vision of the Jedi in Anakin's arc. Disney needs to form their own original arc to unite the fanbase behind something truly new. Like The Mandalorian. None of the OT characters present to soak up all the attention.
The fact that Mark Hamill actually devoted himself to realize Rian’s vision is truly amazing. He keeps it very professional. It does, however, break my heart what he said about Luke not being his character and Luke being “rented out” to him. I am not a fan of TLJ and I’ll always watch the original trilogy over the sequel trilogy (and the prequel trilogy).
They couldn't even sugar coat it or sweep it under the rug in a heavily edited corporal Disney "everything went fine" production documentary as the fine folks at RLM would put it. That says alot.
Indeed because everyone would be saying this doc isn't authentic without adressing this issue. But notice that Kathleen Kennedy is completely absent from the dic, she's letting Rian Johnson taking all the responsibility for this failure.
Letting Rian Johnson take all the responsibility...and yet his trilogy is still slated to happen. SJW's once again proving they can't learn from or correct their mistakes; they can only double down and prove to their fellow SJW's how dedicated and woke they are. Or something like that, I tire of these idiots and their infiltration of all things good.
It's beyond Mark just being upset he isn't the star hero. The ultimate example of why Luke doesn't make much sense.... Luke tries to kill his nephew out of suspicion that he MAY turn to the dark side in the future because "Snoke got to him". And yet he believed his dad could be turned to light. A man whom he'd never met and had served Palpatine for decades. Am I seriously supposed to believe Luke would kill his sister's kid on a hunch?
I can understand what Rian wanted to do with Luke. Too bad it didn't really work. The reason for Luke going into hiding is just too simple. I don't know, make it so that Luke accidentally killed one of his students who happened to be Ben's friend. Not "thinking about killing him based on a vision".
he wasnt going to kill him in the real scene, one was a scene made up by ben and the other was the scene of the real events, told by luke. he contemplated on the idea but decided it was not right, however, ben saw him and decided to attack anyways and luke had to defend himself.
@@PoKeKidMPK1 But why would he even contemplate the idea? That's not something somebody would do who saw the good in the most hated and feared man in the galaxy.
@@bustanut5501 because thats not the order in how it works. he saw ben do things that are equivalent to what anakin did. slaughter the other kids, burn down the place, slaughter his own parents, etc. luke felt there was no other way he could stop him because it was too late. palpatine had already influenced him far too strongly. you see him stop he sees its wrong. he doesnt want to do it but he knows if he doesnt then people will die. its either ben dies or everyone else does. anakin didnt turn to the good side in the movies until he realized he was going to lose luke and potentially leia as well. he already lost padme, realized he could not get her back and had enough of palpatine. either he was the one who should take action like he wanted and be the sith master, or go to the light side to end it all for the better. ben was only starting, theres not much luke could do but defend himself. he never attacked ben, he decided not to. ben attacked him and if he didnt defend the attack he wouldve died by bens lightsaber. instead luke, leia and others lived but lukes apprentices and han, among others died at the hands of ben and the new imperial order.
The fact that they say Mark thought he would be the "Luke Skywalker of this trilogy" and the realization that he isn't, he's supposed to be "Ben", just goes to prove how little all these people making this trilogy know about the character of Luke Skywalker. Also how unfit they ever were to make successor films to Lucas's 6 film saga. #NOTMYLUKE #NOTMYCANON #NOTMYSTARWARS
And you sound like an even BIGGER dumbass and an idiotic fool bringing in Hillary and politics into a topic where none of that bullshit belongs. Good job.
mr reality The only one here that got "triggered" was you since you were the one to bitch about my comment in the first place. It's funny how you now cry about "freedom of speech" and yet, you're the one who had a problem with my comment to begin with which makes you an ironic hypocrite... You can piss off now... "buddy".
they mean Ben in the sense that he's not the main character of this movie, not the character itself. You want that? go watch ANH and TFA if you like seeing nice old guys die as plot devices.
Luke Skywalker didn't need to be the main character of the new trilogy, but I really wanted him to be the Luke I grew up watching. The dude could have played a role like Gandalf, powerful but plays a position suited for his character. My father watched the OG Trilogy as a child, and when I was growing up, the prequels were coming out. But he made sure I watched the Originals, and Luke Skywalker quickly became my favorite hero. My father passed away before Disney bought Lucasfilm and The Force Awakens. Star Wars was special to him. It was something that made him feel like a kid again whenever we'd talk about it. Now that dark humor of me just has to say, I'm glad he is gone, so he didn't see what had happened to his favorite hero. It's a damn shame for sure. After the last Jedi, I was so sad for Mark Hamill. I knew going into the movie that something was wrong based on his interviews beforehand. But I held optimism, but we all know how that turned out. It's just...a damn shame...
Ofer Mizrahi We agree to disagree. I thought his arc was absolutely terrible. Before you respond, I just want to state I'm not looking for a back and forth, all reasons for both opinions have already been laid out. You have your reasons and I my own, let's just leave it at that.
@@user-iy7jo7bq4f Really? I'm a fan and I loved Luke in TLJ. It's was challenging at first, but I love it. And if Mark knows what fans want, then how come he disagreed with George on ROTJ? And fans love that!
"I don't think he ever got to the point where he thought, 'Ok, I understand why Luke has to go at the end of this'. But he was _completely_ devoted to making what I had written the most powerful version it can possibly be onscreen." You didn't deserve that devotion, Ruin. Nor did Kennedy. And you never will. It's embarrassing and heartbreaking, and not just because "things are different", but because of how fundamentally and comprehensively they've spat on every element of the legacy - up to and including Mark Hamill and Luke Skywalker.
"It's an interesting thing because, you know, you have your own view on how your character should be and how he should be utilized." You know where you got that view, Mark? GEORGE LUCAS. We're not just talking about a character you played while detached from the creator - the character of Luke Skywalker was influenced by several talented writers and directors across the original trilogy, but it all came from George Lucas. So, your "view" in this instance, however non-confrontational or devoted, is the _only_ legitimate one because it was founded and reinforced by the man who created the character, the tale, and the universe of Star Wars. Ruin and Kennedy have no authority over that.
It just goes to show just how amazing of a person and actor Mark is. He does understand that as an actor it's his job to do whatever the director tells him to do, even if you disagree with the director, your vision isn't the one being realized. That said Rian is a sad hack of a human being, director and writer and should NEVER have been allowed to touch anything to do with Star Wars.
I wanted a Rey and Luke buddy team up. Apparently the writers found Luke was way too OP whenever they added him in the original Episode 7 script Lucas worked on before the sale to Disney.
I hate Lucasfilm. From how Iger had come after Kennedy after the films release....I do not think he was even aware of what was going on. He generally lets Pixar, Marvel, etc do their thing, because they have always done it right. But the realization of what this film did to the franchise (yes probably from a monetary standpoint) HE WAS FURIOUS with how the fan reaction was, and what the film did to fans. He understands the premise of known characters, and how they should be treated in future installments on film. Mark was completely flipped from what HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. Carrie it is now being rumored wound up in her "COMA" through most the movie because of her disagreements with not only Marks character, but hers as well. THAT WAS NOT THE LEAH WE KNOW. THAT WAS NOT THE LUKE WE KNOW. Johnson and Kennedy destroyed the franchise and I am telling you the only reason Kennedy got renewed was because you do not oust a CEO in the middle of a corporate purchase (FOX). This was and is her last renewal I assure you. Being a animation from Disney fan for 35 + years.....the way it went out about her renewal and how Disney does shit....this IS her final renewal.
"He thought he was going to be the Luke Skywalker of this trilogy..." Firstly, it's always nice when someone tells you what you're thinking. Secondly, the guy who played Luke is wrong for thinking he's playing Luke? Comon dude. Plus if Obi-Wan is what Rian was trying for, he missed by a mile. Obi-Wan was calm, cool and collected and was happy to teach Luke about the force, not some suicidal sad sack that gave up when the going got tough. Screw this crap.
Luke became the polar opposite of Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan wanted to train Luke. Luke said he had things to do. Obi-Wan kept egging him on. Rian Johnson Luke is a Luke who can't wait to burn down the Jedi religion. Yet he came there to seek out the first Jedi temple, yet he came to the most "unfindable place" (what a word in a Star Wars movie!) to get away from it all? It's a total inconsistent mess.
Exactly, not even close to Obi Wan. He is Luke Skywalker morons. These idiots had no clue what they were doing or care what the consequences are. Their only concern was trying to make their own glory but I hope all involved in this movie never work on another Star Wars film or any film ever again.
Radioactive Since 1990 insult on top of insult with Luke’s handling. It was a long agonizing spiral downwards for his character. Practically the whole movie he was in a rut. He gets to pretend to represent hope for less than 5 minutes then puffs into nothing. That says fuck hope rather than have hope.
“He wasnt the luke skywalker of the trilogy, he was the Obi” Uhhhhhh he wasnt the Obi Wan either... pretty sure Obi Wan was never so depressed he just wanted to leave and die.... despite losing just as much as Luke lost if not WAY more... Pretty sure if Luke was the ACTUAL Obi of the trilogy he wouldve loved it.
Bladeslair well definitely Rian Johnson didnt seem to give a shizzle about Luke’s part. But I don’t know if that was due to the sjw agenda. Leia didn’t really fill those shoes until Rise of Skywalker and by the time stuff was going on in that movie Luke actually seemed like himself. And I felt like at that point she was Obi Wan mainly cuz Luke was already killed lol
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@@theKevatron Leia wasnt not even the obi, it was only mentioned in this last movie and nothing else, you never see leia training the mary sue.
Yeah I'd rather they left them out and said "luke Leia and han got in a accident in the millennium falcon and all perished" and then forget about them then this abomination
yung turt the new movie is worse honestly but both completely raped the franchise. Not in a daddy issue whore kind of way but in a violated non daddy issue whore kind of way
@@GXtera well, also you have to look at the fact that Mark said he originally signed up for it because 1) at the time, Lucas was still involved before he sold it to Disney and 2) he said that since they got Harrison Ford to come back that spoke a lot to him. He really thought they'd do what was right for the characters. The money was a plus, sure. But I don't think that's all of why Mark was going to do it.
Harrison wanted Han to die. This was in the Disney AND Lucas version George Lucas and the Original Plans Star Wars Episode 7 - Luke and Han Solo - Star Wars Analyzed ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uFHNz_8HfjE.html
It's one thing to kill of Luke Skywalker, which I think most fans could have lived with. But to do so in the service of such a God-awful story, and without any new-generation characters worthy of taking up the mantle, is a travesty.
Will Harris Are you fucking kidding me throughout this whole trilogy he’s had slightly more screen time then fucking rose Tico so spare me get a clue you obviously have no idea what Star Wars is about
When Mark wept at then end of that shot, I bet these fools all thought he was weeping due to being overcome with emotion at that scene but in reality, he weeps at seeing the symbolic destruction of his character and all of George Lucas's creation going up in those flames at the hands of these incompetent bastards.
Modsleix 6, Hamill himself said after The Last Jedi, that he misunderstood what Johnson as going for, and seeing the way the character was portrayed pleased him.
Landmine Productions Please stop shilling. Even in an interview from just a couple of days ago Mark described how the film may please art critics but would make fans unhappy.
Landmine Productions you're so naive, Disney Lucasfilm were very unhappy with how outspoken Hammil was, they felt like it manipulated people and was detrimental to TLJ's success. If you want to know Hammils real feelings about the movie watch his reaction after he saw the premiere. It speaks for itself.
This is the central reason we were all so upset. Mark is a treasure. He understands Luke. J.J. and Rian are total hacks for what they did on this trilogy.
"It's not my character to decide." I mean he is technically right and I applaud him for not having the ego that so many others do in saying that but I gotta tell you, this is the one time in history where I wish he did have the ego and did tell Rain to go F off with his crap. He ruined Luke.
Michael Tardi it's probably the result of some method acting. Mark had to go to a dark place in his mind for that scene. Either that or this was the last day of filming, and he's thinking that he might never play Luke again.
More likely it's the result of playing a role you think has been completely miswritten, for a character you have played since 40 years prior, 3/4 of your entire life, and what you are known best for, and realising that you can't do anything but peacefully protest.
it could have been over Luke, it could have been over a more personal trauma, either way it just goes even more to show how incredibly talented he is, the only good thing to come out of this movie imo is the greater recognition for Hamil's talent
Nooo... mark.. you ARE that character. You are luke Skywalker to so many people and thatll never change. They cannot replace who you were and still are, the real fans of you and the star wars franchise will always remember who you were and who Skywalker was. Dont lose hope, you provided it
Imagine being typecast as one character for your life then watching first hand another person change everything you liked about him and destroy its reputation.
That was one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. Ray Bergman should have been fired on the spot... that's a complete misunderstanding of Luke Skywalker's character... his who arc is REJECTING Obi Wan... now Disney thinks Luke should just become Obi Wan.
Obi-Wan went to Tattooine as a hermit to protect Luke while he's on a need. He would have never gone to some God forsaken island and sulk like momma's boy for his failures. And still he greeted Luke with his open arms and decided to teach him the ways of the Force. They completely lost the point of Obi-Wan.
Nah it's all Kathleen Kennedys fault at lucasfilm she's the one who put Rian Johnson I'm charge of this mess Disney has owned other companies such as marvel and those films are the biggests and beloved successes near every year I see the blame is entirely her fault and I hope Disney fires her
Ransom G the prequels are decent, have some cringe lines and not all the actors were good but the story and the world building were really good. And the prequels are by far better movies than ep7 and ep8
ebones skitzo bash Star Wars was also ruined when George Lucas wanted to re-edit all three Star Wars films from the Original Trilogy for Home Media to connect with the prequels. Now the future generations will never see the original theatrical versions of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi.
1:15 I can't believe this is actually how some people interpret my character. I was on Tatooine with a mission: protect Luke so he can save the galaxy and the Jedi. I know Luke and I taught him the ways of the Force. That guy in the Last Jedi is definitely not Luke Skywalker.
Obi-Wan Kenobi I don’t think that’s what he meant. He means Luke is Obi in the sense that he’s not the protagonist any more, but rather that he’s the mentor figure to the protagonist. They’re saying that Mark needs to accept that Luke isn’t the main character anymore.
MrLethalShots ofcourse we’ll never know but I for one feel the sequels could’ve worked much better if they started with Luke and Ben before he turned..
@@MrLethalShots well no Mark Harmil really hates how Luke turned out he's not talking about being a main character he is talking on how he dislikes the change from Luke's optimism and hopefulness into the pessimistic hermit as he feels it's unearned It goes into more depth on why he dislikes his character in a variety of interviews
@@mikevinna2096 it kinda ticks me off how they made it seem like Mark was some sort of glory hog and wanted to be the protagonist, that that was why he had a fundamental problem with Rian's portrayal. That could be farther from the case! Mark has come to be an amazing actor and voice actor. His problem with Rians portrayal was that it simply made no sense. It wldv been fine as a completely different character but there is no way Luke wld become the way Rian wrote him, especially not in the time frame given. Rian has no skill or talent for creating characters. He has a "tin ear" for motivation and the heros journey. One of the worst writers in history. But whats more diagraceful is how they dragged Mark through the mud simply because he (an actor) is a better writer than Rian. And Marks issues with TLJ is proof of that.
Him crying at the end there went from acting to him breaking down coming to the realization that he’s not just watching the jedi temple being burned down, but also the entire saga he helped create.
You are spot on. They Jedi are dead. the last temple with the last texts burning right in from of him, killing him and his character piece by piece. I BET they did the mando scene just for him. And of course to right a horrible wrong.
Amy Blackshire And they are not even the real problem. The real problem are those hardcore people that can't see that ep 7 was a lame copy, and ep 8 an excuse to SJW. And the worst part, is that those ppl are the ones that had no idea and never saw an Star Wars film before. The kind of people that you saw asking how to see the order of George Lucas episodes when TFA trailer came out...
Amy Blackshire Blame the directors but there is no point at blaming disney. They puplish it and earn money but they dont produce and write the story. Also if your childhood is ripped away it is kinda sad.
Beef Fishstick That kind of statements would need some evidence for that. I personally dont like the last jedi that much. Definetively the weakest Star Wars in terms of plot and character development. However I think The force awakens was one of the best Star Wars films to date. And I watched the originals all the way back at the age of 4.
Amy Blackshire Who would of thought you watch a documentary of a Star Wars icon upset and annoyed with the direction of the franchise and his character. They really screwed it up.
Everyone is with you Mark, years later we still hurt just like you. Rian Johnson is an Ignorant human beeing doing so wrong to a character so may of us loved and respected... cant believe someone let him do it.
General Grievous I would do it with any person if I'm making a marvel movie and an actor says he doesn't like the direction I'm taking his character I instantly agree with that actor, same with Star Wars or any other franchise the actors are the ones that know the characters better.
Really? You'd listen to the actor immediately rather than the screenwriter or yourself as the Director? You clearly don't know how filmmaking works. Also if you recall, Mark has said the exact same thing after ROTJ came out. He disagreed with what George did with Luke and had his own idea of how it should've went. But sure just ignore that lmao.
Henry. It depends if I created the characters then I wouldn't listen to any actor cause I created the character from the beginning. But if I just stepped into someone's else franshise with the actors who used to work with it before me said that they didn't like what I did with their characters i would instantly agree. And that ROTJ thing was fake in fact how did lukes character change in ROTJ he had character development he wasn't completely destroyed like the last Jedi. Plus if you research filmmakers do listen to their actors, Jon favreu listened to rdj when he said that he wanted to play ac dc with iron man all the time, George Lucas listened to mark hamill in a new hope to cut one scene cause it was stupid, George also listened to Samuel Jackson to get a purple lightsaber, and many other filmmakers have done the same thing.
CHESCOchannel Yea...actors who were involved with the films almost 30 years ago. We know Mark feels like he owns the character which is ironic because fans feel like they do too. They feel like they know Luke inside and out also. So obviously when decades later they take him in a different direction than you expected it's gonna be hard on you. Doesn't mean they're wrong and it doesn't mean you're right. No it was real, Mark Hamill has said it many times in interviews. Rian listened to Mark in this film too. If you watched the SXSW interview you'd know that it was Mark's idea to kiss Carrie on the forehead in the end.
"He is the Obi wan" Uhhh *No* Obi wan Lost Everything(All of those at the Temple, The Love of His Life, His Master, The Closest one he had to a Brother, The Wife of Said Brother and Was Forced into hiding due to Order 66 and He Knows the Clones Didn't want to do that But were Forced to) and Yet he Kept the Code, Got Wiser and Actually had a Purpose which is Protect Luke at all Costs and then Train him The Luke of the Sequel Trilogy Wanted to die, abandoned his Friends and Family, Almost Killed his own Nephew in his Sleep (Which Doesn't make sense as Luke would never do that. The one who saw light in VADER would see it in a Young Conflicted Boy) and Went to hiding for So long and When Called Back he Just Ignores it all Conclusion: Luke was not Himself Nor he was the "Obi wan of this Trilogy". He was someone Completely Different and We all hate that
This is a disgrace to everything star wars, especially Mark Hamill, he understands who Luke is supposed to be. Not this bumbling idiot of a ruin johnson... Star wars is done for me, you can't redeem it anymore
Old school, hardcore SW fan: (curious and concerned voice) _"Did you ever hear of the 'Tragedy of George Lucas, the Wise'?_ 90's/Millenial Disney Wars fan: (serious, puzzled, yet curious look) _"No."_ Old school, hardcore SW fan: (pleased and forgiving voice) _"I thought not. It's not a story Disney would tell you. It's a Hollywood legend... George Lucas was an independent filmmaker, so imaginative and so creative, he would use his imagination to influence his creativity to create... STAR WARS... He had such a knowledge of his own creation that, he could even keep the franchise he cared about... from un-originality."_ 90's/Millenial Disney Wars fan: (doubting, yet still interested glare) _"He could actually take risks... save his franchise from un-originality?"_ Old school, hardcore SW fan: (calm, cool and collected voice) _"The human imagination is a pathway to many creative abilities Disney/Lucasfilm consider to be..... unnatural."_ 90's/Millenial Disney Wars fan: (slow glance of genuine curiosity and interest) _"What happened to him?"_ Old school, hardcore SW fan: (cool and pleasing voice) _"He became so famous... the only thing he was afraid of was selling his company to Disney which, eventually of course, he did... Unfortunately, he put a traitorous reptile he thought was his friend, in charge of it, then this venomous reptile sided with Disney and stabbed him in the back....... It's ironic... the Disney "White Slavers" could buy his creation, but not his creativity."_ 90's/Millenial Disney Wars fan: (puzzled, concerned look) _"Is it possible to get a new and original Star Wars film now?_ Old school, hardcore SW fan: (deliberately slow but cool, matter-of-fact stare) _"NOT FROM DISNEY...."_
I was born in the late nineties and I know and love the story of George Lucas, I also love the prequels and the Old Expanded Universe. I hate Disney Wars.
you say 90s/millennial fan as if we don't know any better but most of us grew up with the prequels which, despite whatever you may think of their quality, were still creative and full of George's imagination. Most of us are old enough to be knowledgeable of pre-Disney star wars considering it just happened in what like 2012 or something?. I feel like your comment should be directed more at little kids who are growing up with these new movies
um... hello.. millennials made Star Wars what it is... i was one of those bumbling children that was in love with R2 on the big screen. what made it worth 4 billion wasn't box office revenue, it was from the toys and games that millennial children played with. when they made the prequels.. they made it for us.. the millennials. but, stop throwing that word around.. millenials are now at their prime.. and its not their fault this movie sucks.. its Disney, Kennedy, Abrams, Johnson... LUCAS....NOT people born within those decades... and its a lot of the fans fault for driving George to such an end that he would want to abandon such a thing..... i didn't quite understand the prequel backlash like some people don't the backlash to Disney's attempts... but i knew from day one, literally.. the day George signed it away to prove a point to his angry fans, i knew they would fail. and his point has been made.. and he is 4 billion dollars richer.. and Disney is struggling to find a way to catch up and make their money back. he wouldn't of abandoned it if so many people didn't reject the prequels. he knew full well this would happen.. he looked straight into the camera with Kennedy at his side.. telling future directors there is more to Star Wars movies than space ships and battles....... she also sat there and promised to take care of these characters....... if they had, so many people wouldn't be so upset. its over... nothing to look forward to... as a Millennial i have to say i have a whole lot of stuff that causes nostalgia... but what they have done has ruined it. i don't get the same joy i used to. its just over. at this point the thrill is joining the resistance against Disney and the stormtroopers that defend these films.
Mike Peter, how about a rebuttal? Hamill himself said after seeing The Last Jedi, that he misunderstood what Johnson was going for, and he was pleased how his character was on screen.
Landmine Productions yea you’re right he did say that after Disney told him to because all the clips of him saying how much he disagreed with Rian was making Disney/Lucasfilm/Rian look bad. Don’t be so naive.
I feel Mark's position so much and I so respect his humility. What angers me the most is fucking Rian Johnson's response to the fans' criticism. He basically said "They're mad because I didn't make what they expected." We're mad because you didn't do it JUSTICE and you won't listen, you conceited fuck. Shock and awe mean nothing if you aren't true to the story. A story that, to me, will ALWAYS belong to George Lucas.
Yeah I said months after the film came out that as a Star Wars fan, I want to be surprised. I want to be mind blown and go “wow! I didn’t expect that!” But you can’t have a surprise for the sake of surprising people. It has to make sense. The thing with last Jedi is the big surprises just didn’t make sense at all.
I saw a screen trailer for Jedi... free. Decided after seeing it, not to go to theater and give them my money. Saw a screen trailer of Avengers... free. Still went to theater to give them my money. *You don’t have to tell me how much "you" don't like the Avengers. My point is I support what i like and what i want to see more of. I, personally, was beyond disappointed with Jedi. I’m almost scared of what they're going to do to Boba Fett.
No matter what you think or say but there is no denying that if Abrams would have directed all 3 movies this tragedy wouldn't have happened and I wonder how he himself feels about that since he could have that job.
@@aurelienh2566 This Trilogy feels like a pissing contest between Abrams and Johnson and Abrams did only win because he got the Gig and could finish it. Seeing how it all unfolded I would have preferred one vision and thus would have preferred Abrams to do them all. In a parallel universe where Johnson would have started with EP7 this could be different.
@@aurelienh2566 Well, I'm actually in the opposite camp here. I really hated TLJ but was ok with TROS. But in the end, Disney succeded with their plan to reunite the fandom. Now we all hate the overall product called "Disney sequel Trilogy". :D
ketchupkatsup. Oh, I understand that people change. It's necessary that people change in film - it' necessary that they have an arc. But not only did Luke Skwwalker's apparent "arc" appear off-screen (we see 1 minute in a flashback), he ends up it a completely unrealistic place given where he started, only to start yet another arc in the last 5 minutes of the film to end more or less back where he came from. It's sloppy, terrible clumsy writing that basically ruined a good character.
ketchupkatsup, You can't redeem a child abuser no matter what he does latter. And rian has to explain why did he made luke a child abuser at least and then why he had to humiliate it further with the milking scene (he spend quite a time creating the scene and he could have used that on giving some explanations).
