Since Mark Hamill has confirmed that he’ll no longer do The Joker after the death of Kevin Conroy, I think it’s time that John got the chance to portray The Joker in several animated projects. His voice is quite terrifying as this demented but intelligent clown.
Without Kevin Conroy or Mark Hamill, I don’t want them to make an animated adaptation of Batman: Three Jokers anymore. My perfect casting would have been Kevin Conroy as Bruce Wayne/Batman, Vincent Martella as Jason Todd/Robin, Tara Strong as Barbara Gordon/Batgirl, Mark Hamill as the main Joker (the Comedian), John DiMaggio as the Joker who killed Jason (the Clown), and Jack Nicholson as the old Joker (the Criminal), but then again, I’d also be down for Tim Curry, Willem Dafoe, or Jim Meskimin playing him.
@dillonwright13 There's other Batman voices besides Conroy, I know he was an amazing Batman from my childhood, but don't disrespect Bruce Greenwood. He's my second favorite Batman from Under the Red Hood, its multiple ending successor, Death in the Family and of course Young Justice. I would love to have him, Troy Baker or Jensen Ackles as our Batman in future projects.
I think it’s kind of life imitating art, with Mark Hamill no longer doing Joker voices without Kevin Conroy like The Joker feeling crime is pointless without Batman
he works a lot so his schedule might not allow it…Hamil retired from the role with Conroy’s death so DiMaggio doesn’t have him looking over his shoulder anymore
I think it’s because the context is different. Mark’s is about a hopeless man trying to get the point across. John’s is a man hoping that someone else could understand.
I've always felt Mark sounds like he's telling a joke whereas John DiMaggio sounds like he's telling a deep story even though it's a joke. I agree the context is very different and moreso I think the mood is a big part of it all; Mark's interjects to lighten the mood for a bit while John's goes with a progressively darkening mood. It's hard not to like the latter for that reason.
@@ChouRaiyuki Absolutely, see based on the tone of that scene in the actual comic, Mark just didn't hit it right, i mainly blame the movie itself, not him, but its still sad. John absolutely nailed it imo though
Mark Hammill: telling a long time "friend" a joke about the situation they are in and laughing it off John DiMaggio: telling a story about this old friend now gone, trying to recapture the feeling of that moment but no one else can fill the void. So basically Mark was more of a sincere and wholesome version DiMaggio instead was more glum remembering the good times trying to relive them for one last time, hoping you can smile again. But feeling empty no one else gets the joke
John's version makes him sound like a crazy person who is naturally serious because they are seriously crazy but mark's version makes me feel like his joker voice is joker putting on an act.
But also that's kinda the context of the scene in John's case. He's not really the joker anymore there but it's still there behind the seriousness. I think he could definitely do a more animated and silly joker. I mean look at bender.
It's because Batman knew the subtext of that joke. He knew it was describing his and Joker's relationship. They're both insane and both want freedom, but one of them proposes a crazy idea that no sane person would ever think would work, and the other doesn't trust the plan because he thinks he'll be betrayed. Batman thinks he can redeem Joker, which sounds as crazy as using a flashlight beam as a bridge. Joker doesn't think Batman's plan will work because he doesn't trust himself to be redeemed, nor does he trust others to redeem him. Joker is so desperately trying to prove to Batman that he cannot be helped, while Batman's efforts to uphold justice and give redemption constantly remind him of what the definition of insanity is.
@@jacobcox4565ı hate it when people look to deep into characters that are not that deep. Especially Batman and Joker. But this is one of those times where its actually make sense.
John gives them kind of like a terrifying, rough, rugged attitude which is great. Mark Hamill just makes him sound nuts but since Mark Hamill. can’t do it anymore I can’t see why John can’t step up to the plate.
Or maybe it's sign to retire the character? We've seen Joker so many times, why not give other villains a chance. But when Joker come back I hope it's in an entirely new unique take at least, John could make the best of that.
@@OrbitalSnapshots2455you dont completely need to remove the joker to do stuff with other characters. Batmans had plenty of other villains in movies, phantasm, Mr freeze, riddler, poison ivy, court of owls, the al ghouls, bane etc. but at the same time jokers batmans arch nemesis. He’s always going to be around. Like superman and luthor, flash and thawne, spiderman and the green goblin
The funny thing is when Mark auditioned for Joker he was extremely worried that he would have to rely on Jack Nicholson 's take which he didn't want to do at all. Although he did an amazing original take what amazes me is that John here feels like there is a hint of Nicholson's Joker in his performance and he did a great job making it seem original, he does borrow from Hamil and Nicholson, but it's just enough to make it all a unique take only he could do so well.
Mark will always be the goat when it comes to Joker, but damn…I really love how John’s deeper voice still captures Joker’s “funny” side as well as his terrifying side.
My biggest issue with (and probably the best thing about) John Dimaggio's Joker, is that he doesn't SOUND like the Joker, he doesn't put on a false high like Mark, but like Kevin Michael Richardson , his voice is just his voice until he starts laughing, THEN it clicks that this man is actually a monster
DiMagio deserve far more credit than he gets. Jake the dog and Bender are fantastic characters but this could be considered THE character to voice and he always nails it. the right sense of humor, tension and tasteless violence in his voice that always brings Joker to life.
That's reaching, no matter how many good roles as the Joker they would give him John will always be the voice of Bender and Jake the Dog to me, not Joker.
What makes DiMagio's more impactful is understanding tgat the joke is about Batman and Joker. Batman is the lunatic tgat managed to escape while Joker refueses because of his own insanity. This takes place in a world where Batman is gone and Joker has no purpose anymore. So now the punchline of the joke is that it's a soliloquy of what might've been.
Dimago gets it here personally. I don't blame Mark for his version of it where he sounds a little bored while telling it, that's definitely on the director. Another 2 or 3 attempts and Mark would've nailed it.
Yeah, the voice direction and script for The Killing Joke sucked ass. It would’ve been an amazing adaptation (same goes for Hush), but they did a lot of changes that really hurt the story.
I think I would’ve liked Mark Hamil’s Joker better in The Dark Knight Returns. His joker sounds a little older , while John DiMaggio sounds more like a younger joker to me
For TDKR they wanted to capture the serial killer aspect of the character. Michael Emerson did just that, with how smooth yet eerie Joker's voice is in the film.
John's is better bc he's not actually being Joker. He's not putting the voice, that's what makes the delivery good. The Joker energy isn't there. It's seriously taken, which is good
Both mark and John DiMaggio were great but oh goodness me John is the best voice for joker in my opinion, his laugh bro like I love it, it’s just so spine chilling if you get what I mean.
Depending on whether you think the Killing Joke is an else world where Batman kills him at the end, you can imagine that being what Joker says every time rehabilitation is considered. "You'd just turn it off when I'm halfway across "
As much as I love Mark as Joker, he was the Joker of my childhood and is iconic in the role, John absolutely killed his performances. He was amazing in the role, and arguably delivered the joke better than Mark did. I kinda wish he got to play Joker in an extended series, like a new TV Show or a series of movies.
If there's any two I want to succeed Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy, it'd be John DiMaggio and James O'Mara. DiMaggio's delivery here, and O'Mara's performance in JL:War are great memories to me.
I really like Troy Baker, and I don’t know if it’s down to what they’re both in, but John DiMaggio has always been the only VA to even come close to Mark Hamill. I’d be tempted to put him at number one, if it wasn’t for his lack of total screen time in the role. The guy steals every scene he’s in as the Joker.
The scene of Jason realizing he's talking to the Joker while he's getting told the joke, and getting confirmation when Joker says "boy wonder" witht he iconic smile... It's SO GOOOOOOD. And THEN it's followed up by arguably the best of Joker's deaths, with a goddamn butterknife to the eye as he dies laughing and the makeup getting smeared off his face
Probably Because they're delivering it as two different states of Joker. One's genuinely trying to deliver the joke, the other's just weary of it all and tries anyway.
I like em both. They both have this great sinister pitch that I can't describe but I love it. I really like how DiMaggio slips in and out of it during that scene too, very fitting with what the scene is doing.
For those who don't know what these movies names are, they are: Batman: the killing joke Batman: under the red hood (For this alternative ending it's Batman: Death in the Bat family )
The way Dimago said falling was very heath like. And then the tone of voice at times was hammil like. Despite those things his deeper voice is unique and his own
Man I wish more people gave John DiMaggio the opportunity to play characters with retrained direction. His characters that are larger than life can be hilarious and memorable in their own right, but I think they're limiting approaches to his potential.
John leans into his experience being a comedian up on stage with this one. I'm sure he knows how it feels to lay an egg with a joke or 2, but here, he can lean on his acting chops to make it feel like a person getting that slightly desperate in their attempt to make the joke seem funny. Mark, though, leans in on his experiences as Joker being the opposite of Batman yet probably understands him best. It sounds like a friend who remembers a story that gave him a giggle telling it to the one guy he feels like would probably get it. They are 2 very different takes, and I think Johm should get an opportunity to stretch his rendition out more.
That Killing Joke ending still gets me. Not just because the joke is an encapsulation of Joker and Batman's relationship (two guys who disagree fundamentally, but who honestly are BOTH pretty fucked up people), it's also a clever joke.
John DiMaggio is such an underrated Joker. I love Mark Hamill and he'll always be THE Joker, but John DiMaggio is amazing as well. I've always felt he embodies more of a Jack Nicholson Joker and I love it.
Everytime I heard John’s last line, I thought of Mark telling the joke, in the exact same way, and eventually when the joke is over, he’d say something like: “ah… crickets. It’s just not the same part without Kevin here…”
i love mark to death as an actor, but i really do love john's take. his performance in Under The Red Hood shows how effortlessly he can be at giving things his all. i don't think i've ever seen a bad performance out of him in my entire life, and i remember liking this guy all the way back in the 2000s being some of the best villains on Kim Possible!
Mark will always be my joker. Any other voice just sounds wrong to me. You don't get to voice one of the most iconic characters in animation history for multiple decades without people getting attached.
Mark's fit the maniacal-showman Joker while John fit the investigator Joker. They do different things (though Mark Hamill gave a great performance on the maniacal-showman Joker in all of his roles).
I think if you had them both play the joker in the same movie or show, one sane and one insane it would work pretty well. John is a really convincing “sane” joker
I honestly think both voices are equally great at delivering the line, except maybe the one part where John was directed to bang the table and scream the joke.
I remember watching Under the Red Hood, and it was such a weird experience, never before in my life have I felt the need to verbally comment out loud, “Wow, this guy clearly isn’t the original. But he’s really fucking good.” I had to pause the thing and comment on that, he did such a good job.
