Mark Sheppard opens up about his experience being removed from Supernatural after S12  

100% agree

Exactly, Crowley, like Castiel, was one of the characters they introduced without realizing they were adding a character that really improved the show immensely - and thus became a regular character. They should have just rolled with it and given them both permanent roles on the show. Sheppard dominated the episode whenever he showed up. Brilliant acting :)

No the show suffered because Jack became a character.

And the original death

which is funny that you say that, because mark has talked in cons about how one of the reasons why he was phased out was because they gave plotlines written for crowley to castiel. one of the reasons why they dropped demon dean with no mention later on is because they were going to start limiting crowley’s friendship with dean to focus on castiel plots. i felt like they really dropped the ball with castiel’s human plot-would’ve been way more interesting to see crowley deal with humanity like he had in the trials season. castiel was always way more interesting as an all-powerful being trying to understand and protect what is largely an inconsequential race of creatures in the span of eternity.

Absolutely!!!

FACTS

He's a great actor, and he was an AMAZING character. It's bullshit though that they killed him off because of money. That sucks, hard.

@@sfreemanoh agreed

Yeah I loved his character. It's still hilarious though that they got a funny looking ass goofy short character on there who's the king of Hell🤣 🤣 🤣

crowley's son, "you sold your soul for 3 extra inches of talley-wacker"!? crowley, "it was a different time son"!

I absolutely loved Deanmon & Crowley together! I hated that they killed Crowley & butchered his last lines. But I love that Crowley got to off himself. He deserved to go out on his own terms, not Luci's.

Yes, Mark even made Crowley remain awesome during that pathetic arc of "drinking demon blood".

That's probably my favorite season. It was so good.

When dean first became a demon and crowley had to revive him basically by giving his corpse the knife “I never lied dean” He genuinely wanted him to know that it sounded so sincere

FACTS an the ending was piss poor terrible🤦

I mean, almost every death in the show was pointless after a few episodes.

@@user-fv7jd4xj5n True

i was also expecting him to come back at some point. everybody else seemed to get an episode cameo in the last season even minor characters

This right here!!! He became too much of a fixture in the boys lives and for his character to have that level of growth and sacrifice himself for them should have carried way more weight!

Absolutely ❤️

​@marksheppard4844 I feel that you provided a much needed wit and intellect for the show. Plus your tattoos are awesome 👌🏾

Im finally watch seasons 13-15 for the first time keep waiting for him to pop up

Mark mentioned a showrunner that kept trying to k*ll his character, was that Jeremy Carver?

@@funkyreapercat5280I believe it was andrew dabb but I might be wrong

Or by the end of the show, he could have been the Big Good, helping them against Chuck and finally, completely redeeming himself for his past sins. But no, Dabb wanted his golden boy Jack to be the key player, even Sam and Dean were only his henchmen. Dabb just didn't understand his own show, which was a crying shame. I bet Kripke never invites him to parties!

show also went on a bit too long in my opinion.

They did the same with Dean though a nail in the back lol one character meeting him in heaven lol

I'm just stupidly annoyed that for his death scene, they didn't allow the line he wanted, on camera...

@@tammyduncan3824 A spike in the back for Dean was thematically a perfect death. It was mundane on purpose. They were under the protection of God for fiften seasons. It stands to reason that once the creator of the universe isn't tipping the scales, they'll be susceptible to the dangers they have otherwise seemingly miraculously survived. Dean's death could not have been better.

Yeah, I call BS. He wanted to get paid just like everyone else, he's not a pushover.

Gigachad 🤣

He honestly is a class act. I remember meeting him just standing in line at a convention, like everybody else waiting to get in. At the time I knew him for his portrayal of Romo Lampkin in Battlestar Galactica reimagined.

Started reading your post, got to the part where Mark could jump on top, ...brain started doing things with your choice of words. Had to read it 3 times to untangle it from where my brain wanted to take it. I should definitely 'not' bump into him at a convention. He's a married man.

Last of the English Gentlemen. Youngsters in England now are this weird amalgamation of American West Coast kid, American North East Coast Kid, Australian S.E. Coast kid, a dash of Euro and a tiny bit of English.

Americanisms & Americana has bled into our society & is ruining our country lol

Agreed. The bad thing is because his character was so captivating it was so apparent. Towards the end most of the characters lost what made them them. Cas I think got it the worst. Loved the character but they turned him into the guy who just makes jokes. He had no other true importance

I think it was prefect because as you see his character change for the better, his personality changes. The reason he was always the smartest man in the room was because he was evil and only had his self interest in mind, but as he became closer to Dean and moose he began to grow some humanity and hence started to b be more like the 3 idiots. That's my take on it.

That’s the issue with going from a planned 5 seasons to 15

@@12Shockz oh god Cas became so pointless that his 'father figure' style was to um and ah in the background and flop about on the floor in fights 🙄 hated Cas in the last 4 seasons should have left him dead and brought him and Crowley back right at the end suped up mega boss battle but then by then I hated Sam soooooo much and Dean was 1 dimensional 🤷‍♀️

@@ed6431 exactly. Cas getting bodied by a demon while someone who just found out about demons is holding their own. It was so stupid.

Pun intended? 😏

@@SpookyAsuna.... not initially, but I'm gonna go with yes ;)

For real. I never thought my heart would break for Rowena, but I suppose mine was also broken so it's like we were grieving and disappointed together.

Crowley was one of the highlights of watching the later seasons. I have also started re-watching the entire series which would be my biggest binge watch ever. Just entered Season 5 and the memories just came flooding in and and some that were mis-remembered get rectified. I forgot that Ruby helped rebuild the Colt and the source of the demon knife. At the very least I get to see the season finales. I acquired this habit of missing out on the first episodes and very last episodes of several seasons(reasons).

I'm on season 8 episode 15 I wanna say. It's so many seasons I can watch it again and again

Yeah Supernatural Is Most Definitely THEE Most -Rewatchable Series Ever , I Started Watching It When Season 12 Was Done , And Waited For Each Episode Afterward Which Was Also Amazing Cuz It Stuck With Me For More Time , I Even Fully Rewatched It Before Season 13 Started Airing , And I’m Most Definitely Rewatching It Again Now (I’m In Season 4 Episode 7) I Think And It’s Just A Wonder . Every . Single . Time The Day I Stop Would Be The Day My Heart Stops…Again (Hahaha Long Story Short I Also In A Way Died And Came Back To Life In 2017) But It Wasn’t No Trickster Killing Me , Or Maybe It Was… If You Consider D-r-U-g-$ As A Trickster) Wow This Comment Just Turned Morbid , Wasn’t All Bad Though

Reasons? Lol. As in you watched the entire series because “reasons”. Jk. I know you meant seasons. I rewatch it over and over and over and over and over and over again. I can’t watch it enough. It’s not possible for me to love another show as much as I love Supernatural. I’ll never get tired of rewatching it. God, I wish it could have gone longer. I would have watched if it had no other plot than Sam and Dean having weekly monster hunts. I would watch no matter what. I’m beyond obsessed.

I really hoped at the time they were going to make him a recurring on Who. Sadly they didn't, seemed a bit of a waste to me.

@@codyw1 While true, the fact his role in a single two-parter sticks with you after all these years reinforces my point. "This person you want to marry...black?" "Yes...HE is."

@@codyw1 Yeah that's where I first seen him, Doctor Who. My delighted surprise when I saw him appear in Supernatural. Actually on that note, that's another show that just suffered from progressively worse writing.

He does. That's a great description of his acting.

Capaldi did what he could with what he had, but once he left, Chibnall at the reigns and Whittaker taking the lead, it was time to let it die.

I hate finding out some of my favourite actors got treated badly on a show I love. I’d have loved him to stay on the show.

He was one of the 🐐s for sure , an my issue with Sam : why would they strip him of his powers 🤦

@@TheDON914 yeah the writer's should had brought back his powers to me

@@angelaholmes8888 like do you know how much that power was needed ? ESPECIALLY when cas wasn't there or couldn't make it in time ? Like wtf 🤦

i understand you like Him Bit lets never forget the ones who made the show work were Jensen and Jared

Sherlock needs his Moriarty.

@VivenFan he did nut carry the show excuse you he wasn't in it from the start for a start, Jared & jensen made the show what it became not him your way off on this one

Truly… I Mean I Love That Show In So Many Ways To The Core , And I FULLY Enjoyed Exactly For What It Was , And Everyone In It (Except Claire Sometimes srry🤣) I Never Really Insult A Show Or Criticize It Because Well… We Get What We Get , But No Doubt Crowley’s Death Was Very Just Heartbreaking To Me , And If I Knew… Literally Me And My Friends Would’ve Sent The Show More Money To Bring Him Back Cuz He Made The Show Soo Much Better (Which I Didn’t Think Was Possible) . I Hope With All My Heart Someday Sometime.. The Boys Come Back With Cass , Bobby , Crowley And The Rest… Hopefully John Too Here & There If He Could Everyone Always Hated On John Winchester But He Is Amazing To Me , Really Reminds Me Of My Father , A Man Who Went Through So Much Despair And Heartbreak , But Still Tried His Best To Be Good To His Sons And Teach Them How To Be Strong , Even If He Wasn’t Perfect And Drank And All That , Honestly I Think People Who Hate John Maybe Kiind Of Have A Picturesque Family & Parents , They May Not Understand What Such Violence And Death Does To A Man , Or Anyone Really . & I’m Watching The Winchesters A Lot Of People Are Hating On That Too But I Don’t Really Care , As Long As Its Supernatural Related… Count Me In ! Although I Do Wish They’d Make John A Little More Rough Around The Edges In The Future When He Experiences More Pain & Suffering , I Know Thats A Weird Thing To Wish For But Its What Makes John… John + WE NEED TO SEE BOBBY & CASS AS THEY WERE IN SUPERNATURAL

Hahha , sure thing mark

You have to admit, Crowley was more fun when he was evil and a bad guy though. Not that he didn't continue to make episodes better after that. He was one of the best characters. I miss seeing the kinds of interactions they had with Crowley before they tried to turn him human again. I do like that he got to liking the boys but, the blend of character interactions when Crowley was more evil was one of the best parts. Each time I watch the series I can't wait for those episodes to come on again

Same

I loved Benny too!! Always wanted him back on.

@@ELEMENTARYWATSON52 who is Benny???

I think they could have done things different. I truly believe Mark's character was important to the show

her death at sam's hands was a plot they needed to end, they forshadowing this some seasons earlier and need a new king for hell, two birds one stone

@@loriwood4938 yes!!

Rowena took Crowley's spot then they killed her but she still showed up.

Rowena had an excellent send off though, and reappearing as queen of hell was great haha Yeah Crowleys first 3/4 seasons, switching between ally and big bad were done really well, and then as demon deans best bud, but you could tell after the human blood thing didn't really know what to do with him and handed him the idiot ball, plus Sam having this axe to grind was weird, Meg literally tried killing them and their dad several times, and killed Ellen and Jo, but they were able to move past that and realize she was chill, but they NEVER appreciate Crowley or give him any credit when he was constantly helping them out haha, and all he wanted was some appreciation. That's a major thing I always notice on rewatches, they're always huge dicks to Crowley he had some high points with Amara but you could tell Mark just wasn't really feeling it anymore

I laughed at Agent Beyonce and Agent Zee. Loved Cass and Crowley together

@@debbiedaniel1979 Indeed, Agent Beyonce and Agent Zee will forever live on in my heart. 🤣

Cas being so literal and Crowley so barbed- perfect comedic pairing!

this i enjoyed it up till he was gone. i still watched but it just felt like the show lost someone that fit perfect it kinda felt like they were a trio. granted his last 2 seasons they ruined him and his death had no meaning which was so sad for someone who acted pretty dam good his first few seasons and fit in so well.

Lucifer kills Crowley

@@nothinghereligma3363 no he doesn't

@@homielander5924 lmfao 🤣 he kills Crowley in another world to prevent Lucifer from escaping.

Felt the same, particularly when so many of the characters have died and been brought back repeatedly. To be honest, the show ran at least 5 seasons well past its prime. There were so many episodes where nothing at all happened for literally minutes at a time, characters just sitting there, staring off into space, clearly because the writers didn't have a clue what the hell to write for them and they needed to fill up air time. The entire British Men of Letters thing too slowed down the pace of the show. So many other episodes just had the boys hanging out in the background as if they were guesting in their own series. No show should run 15 years if they don't know what the hell to do with the story. God bless Ricky Gervais. He knows when to wrap things up and move on to something new. Usually two or three seasons and then he admits he doesn't have any more new ideas left and just ends it in favor of trying something new. But SPN tried repeatedly to spinoff new shows which failed miserably and even now Jensen and his wife are pitching The Winchesters, an origin story, except they pretty much covered all that in several SPN episodes so what's the point of rehashing all that all over again? *sigh* Miss you terribly, Mark. You were shafted big time, buddy.

Same, I kept waiting for him to come back 😭

He didn't come back because he has integrity! Andrew Dabb completely screwed him over the last few seasons he was on (that's the writer he was talking about) AND then when faced with the fan backlash of his non resurrection, blamed it on Mark, on Twitter, and said that Mark was definitely coming back. He replied with something along the lines of "not remotely true, I won't be coming back, was permanently removed from cast by Dabb"!

It annoyed me so much because for so many years they refused to kill characters, and then in between s12-14 they started to kill characters in pointless situations.

See also Chuck, Doctor Who, Dollhouse, BSG, Warehouse 13, Leverage (Sterling!)... There was a rule in our house called the Law of Mark Sheppard; the longer you watched and got invested in a cult show, the probability of Mark Sheppard appearing approaches 1 (and will eventually hit it). I remember positing this to a housemate and she thought it was ridiculous, until she decided to rewatch an old show called 'The Invisible Man' (remake in the early 00s) and then in one episode he showed up in a bright yellow shirt as if to say, 'HAHA GOTCHA!' She just turned to me, blinked, and had to turn the TV off for a minute. I told her not to rewatch Charmed, Sliders or X-Files.

And let's not forget Doom Patrol!

@@dellavie4319 Chuck is another one of my favorites. I think only Scrubs and Psych are missing him. I LOVE the concept of 'the Law of Mark Sheppard'! So true!

Mark and Alan Tudyk…my faves who pop up everywhere.

Loved hin showing up in X-files back in the day.

And how he has his craft mastered to go from soft speaking to forceful yelling without tensing his face muscles..(so pick a bloody side 😂) .I know you know...lol... he's acting genius!!!!!!

Right? Especially since everyone else was being resurrected out of the Empty left, right and centre! They could have brought him back then to help out one last time against Chuck, but they had burned their bridges and it seems like Dabb doesn't like him for unfathomable reasons. I mean Dabb doesn't like Jensen either though so...

The last few seasons show runner sucked. He tested all the best characters like crap. Including Crowley and Dean.

He was FAR better than castel for sure

@@TheDON914 I agree

@@lauramcallister5972 should've replaced him tbh 🤷

When crowley died the back of the show really dropped without him I really didn't like asmodaus he was really lame

@@angelaholmes8888 Yeah for the first few times Asmodaus was on screen or mentioned I was like "Who is that?" And my brother had to remind me lol Where as Crowley I wanted more of him from the first time he was on screen.

No more cape shit

He's better than that crap

He’s in the DCU actually, on Doom Patrol, for better or for worse

It would be funny if he got recruited for The Boys. They have already got Bobby and Dean there

Castiel ** but Siri is rude lmao

@@shutterbae9040 enjoyed Rowena very much

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needed to give the money to flash and batwoman instead

Instead I had to endure the scene-gobbling Mark Pelegrino and the show-swallowing Alexander Calvert. I'm doing my first-rewatch of the last few seasons and seriously wondering if I want to sit through the Jack show. Definitely ending my rewatch with the episode that's just before the dismal finale.

To be honest, I'm betting that was just an excuse; it sounds like it was because Dabb didn't like him and now he had the power to get rid of him. We should just be glad he didn't do the same with Jensen!

@@Rashas63 I really liked Mark P. but he was 1000% better before the Dabb era. Lucifer just stopped making any sense by that point, and became a foolish caricature nobody could find threatening. In some ways I think it was a good thing Mark S. left, at least Crowley wasn't irredeemably ruined! I got bored last time I started rewatching s13 LOL. Scoobynatural is an awesome ep, and s14 has some highlights with Jensen in the Michael arc, but that's about it for the last few seasons imo... What they should have done with the final season is had Lucifer and Michael team up WITH the Winchesters against Chuck. And Crowley! Everyone else was coming out of the Empty so why not him? I don't know whether all the good writers left or they were just under Dabb's thumb, but the whole team just lost the ability to tell a good story. I think the whole show could have stopped with the s11 finale, although after s13-15 I enjoy s12 a lot more than I did at the time!

Mark pellegrino ( lucifer) was also on xfiles

I would sooooo watch that over the history rewrite bullcrap that the Mary and John thing is going to be

He could learn to interrupt a little less. That's what I find incredibly annoying about American TV show/podcast/whatever hosts is that they don't let their guests finish their sentences but instead rush to ask another question or comment on something before the guests has finished telling his part. Give the guest some room, that's what they are there for. This host does it a bit less, but still does it and it drives me nuts.

What episode?

@@nathanmessias9824 him in a cage.

Carried the show for 8 years? No but he was a bright spot

He was great but he definitely didn’t carry the show

What episode ?

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It wen’t down a season before he left, it was just getting old