Here's how they should do the DCU: Create a trilogy of Superman movies similar to what Matt Reeves is doing with Batman except in a lighter tone. They are in different DC cities/states, not next to each other, so it is easy to keep them separated initially and not necessary to have them interact right away. Just because they exist in their own "world" doesn't mean they can't coexist in the same universe. Similarly, do the same with Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, etc and have them deal with their own supervillains in their respective geographic locations for at least their first two movies. Batman (Robert Pattinson) can then recruit them individually, with brief cameo in their third movies, bringing them together for the Justice League in the space tower to deal with existential threats that these heroes can't handle by themselves. They can still reference the existence of the other superheroes without actually making a cameo similar to how Matt Reeves did with citizens in Gotham wearing Halloween costumes of other heroes. That will build the anticipation more for the audience to want to see some crossovers and big Justice League movie and makes more sense than finding a file, he stole from Lex Luthor, with folders on them because Batman would already be aware of them and be building a contingency plan before bringing them all together.
you can easily watch most movies and shows in the MCU as standalone projects. But of course you won't get all the easter eggs. The only real problem is the team up movies.
I'm one of the growing minority who *loves* all the content. I know a lot of people are getting Marvel Fatigue or don't want to follow so many secondary story lines. However, I am thrilled. Give me allllll the shows! It's like my cartoons of childhood are all grown up. 😍
I wish they would keep the real world implications of aging actors and death as part of what these stories can explore. How about a story on aging heroes out of touch with current times, or waning powers, passing down the torch (we're doing that to some extent now, but I want more heavy implications of this), adapting, hanging up the mantle... so many opportunities to have mature stories for a maturing audience that is aging -with- the stories.
Hawkeye, Falcon and Winter Soldier, No Way Home, She-Hulk (to a lesser extent) all touched on passing the mantle from one generation to another. I think it's been done, but maybe not in the focussed and attentive way you are referring to here. Thoughts?
Let’s keep the movies entertaining, not dealing with real world bullshit. Steve Rogers didn’t have a hard time with it because he was above that petty nonsense like being out of touch and had actual problems to deal with.
@@Mad07Hatter Hawkeye passing of the torch was pretty smooth and neat and most importantly, kinda natural. She-Hulk got no passing of the torch process and is just a big pile of shit. Falcon got a cool idea but lost me when he refused to help a fellow veteran (like how he should be doing as seen in Captain America: The Winter Soldier) and instead ask ppl not to condemn a fcking terrorist and then chastize an organization that is trying its best to deal with the world post-blip reversal without being able to offer any help. What a fcking hero
@@nehemiahhall5212 you are saying this is because you have no ide what kind of stories are yet to be told .... Civil war (comic style) , Avengers vs x men , the illuminati and so much more .... We have had enough time without iron man and cap until secret wars and reboot would be a great idea
Also I totally agree that a reboot could happen with Secret Wars, the entire multiverse will collapse and a new one will be created. I can see this happening
I'm a history professor, and your discussion amazes me. It's like talking about historical events, from an observatory position with a 360 degree view, which ordinary historians would just die to acquire. Being an MCU fan myself, it never gets old to watch all these discussions.
Exactly! But how about a reboot that makes stand alone movies about specific old school comics. Hulk vs Wolverine , Spidey and Human Torch team up , Ghost rider with a real Red Ass guy . No need for intros or origins . Mr F I’d like a job please ?
The Normies, Screencrush, Blind Wave, Heavy Spoilers and Reel Rejects feel like they all have an MCU of their own when they mention each other in videos and I’m so here for it
"It's all connected" until a massive celestial peaks out from earth and no one talks about it or even references it again after that. Love the connectedness 😍
When there’s a sky beam or giant monster in the news every other week, I think people in the MCU become desensitized and just go about their business lol
The only issue I have with a reboot is my fear that they might tell basically the same stories they've already told. Retelling Batman's origin with every reboot has become a meme at this point. I'd hate to have that happen with all of Marvel.
@@dakshdhingra2221 How many times have you seen Spiderman's origin or Batman's origin? Imagine if we get a reboot of Ironman. Do you expect his origin to be very different? What about the Infinity Gauntlet? You know if the MCU is rebooted, a story like the Infinity Gauntlet is just too good to not use.
@@Ryecrash617 like seriously, any changes a reboot introduces will ripple back across old content If Tony is suddenly alive again that will need explained and the last two Spider-Man movies will be moot. How many successful reboots has DC done anyway? They have like a dozen different character that are so different between versions there are entire articles about what canon for Supergirl, Donna Troy, and Hawkman... Jesus Christ Hawkman ...
I think the lane thing is a good direction. For example, The X-Men essentially became its own franchise in the 90’s. They could tell those stories while developing the “Street Level” storyline. As those projects come out work on the “Mystic Level” Storyline. Focusing on 5 characters in each level. That’s how you deal with the overcrowding. Stream shows can be good, but should be different from the storyline of the movies; origins and team ups that would just complicate the movies.
I’m sure after Secret Wars when the multiverse is destroyed and collapses into a single Ultimate Universe that’s when the reset will happen. We could get a new version of every character we have seen so far with new origin stories. The X-men have probably always existed in other universes like Charles Xavier the collapse will bring them into the main MCU
The multiverse won't be destroyed, even after he who remains created the sacred timeline the multiverse still persisted. That's why the TVA was created, to keep the Sacred Timeline seperate from the rest of the Multiverse.
@@lexruptor I’m not making this up bud, this is what happens as a result of secret wars in the comics, they would have to deviate LARGELY from the comics for this not to happen
Secret Wars seems to be the send-off for the FoX-Men & other Legacy characters (my ultimate dream would be Wesley Snipes, Hugh Jackman, Tobey Maguire, Patrick Stewart, & RDJ sharing a screen as pillars of the superhero genre). It’d be unfortunate to not have the likes of Tony Stark, T’Challa, & Steve Rogers interact with the new 616 mutant cast. They have tons more comic material they haven’t even touched yet. A multiversal reboot would give them the chance to keep who stays & replace who leaves. It’d be more like DC giving multiple actors a chance to shine in the same role.
But if they bring back Iron Man or Steve Rogers what happens to Ironheart or Sam Wilson will they have to reshuffle the history to make it work? And just be like (you guys get these guys back here's the new backstory as to why there's Steve Rogers back while Sam's Captain America, Steve's gone back to being Nomad like in Infinity War" (quite possible I heard a rumour for a Nomad series for after Secret Wars and a Captain America 5 keeping Sam Wilson so I think this theory is pretty on the money)
Disney and Marvel had to pump out 3 years worth of work in 2. The OG schedule was Black Widow, Falcon and WS, Eternals, and WandaVision. All that got pushed into 2021 so had 4 movies and 5 TV shows. The log jam really caused an overload at once
There is real weight to the idea that fans who have been around since Phase 1 are eventually going to grow out of the MCU and even experience fatigue from all of the projects coming in and then the younger audience is not going to be willing to go back and watch 15 years or so of content just to know what's going on. They are definitely going to have to do some kind of reboot or else hang the Hat up after Phase 6. For the most die-hard fans who are sad by that idea, we need to take a dose of wisdom from the Vision at the end of Age of Ultron when he explained that a thing is not beautiful because it lasts.
I have ZERO Marvel fatigue. But I see what you guys are saying about potentially not giving people a good enough way to on-ramp if they haven’t been following the MCU or comics for years. And I agree that some of the Disney plus shows (especially She Hulk, though I loved it) could have just been a “special”. Great thoughts!
Ryan, please trust that the audience, hard-core or casual is smart enough to understand what's going on. Any movie or TV show that treats their viewers as intelligent, will be respected by said audience.
This was great! I hope to have Paul and Colton on again sometime! I know the MCU is a lot right now and I understand what Paul said about kids born today not wanting to watch ALL the content to enjoy the movies in the future. I think it is too soon to reboot and recast Steve Rogers and Tony Stark. There are so many stories to tell and opportunities for new heroes to have their day in the sun. Sam’s arc is so interesting so far and he’s only been Cap for 20 minutes. I think they need to downsize, YES. (SheHulk is honestly a sensitive subject). Go back to being grounded and telling interesting character stories with the new characters and let us fall in love with who they are the battles that are personal to them. Ms Marvel, Sam Wilson, Kate Bishop could all have something special if we give them time and strong stories to develop. Let’s let Marvel settle into what they want to tell and not cry Reboot at the first sign of the unfamiliar. I miss Steve too but the original 6 aren’t the only heroes that matter. The shows were the answer to COVID to keep us going. I loved it. Now, we are back in theaters and ready to get back to basics with these new heroes.
I love the thought of how the Infinity Saga was more "intimate" with a smaller number of characters that we had to follow. I think that keeps the viewers easily on the same page. As much as i love that we got Eternals, i dont see how it's fitting into the larger picture.
Practically, I think the MCU has designated slots to fill and they don't really have the flexibility to cut down on the quantity. So an ideal situation would be developing the canon through movies and special presentations ALONE, then using a 'WHAT IF' type of logic on all the other series titles, so they can have fun with them and they don't have to fit them into the canon and require casual fans to watch them to understand the films.
well at this point, yeah. They have tarnished too much of the previous phases, so in order to salvage it, they should start over in another universe and do whatever they want there without connections to the current ones. Take time to develop these characters again then have one big bad main villain fight (or tease) at the end of the phase. That way we will have some directions again.
I would rather want them to focus on other universes then to reboot the main universe. As someone that literally grow up with the MCU I really hope that they won't ruin that with a reboot
My opinion is that there are a lot of Marvel, and DC characters that they haven't done anything with. They don't need a reboot, they need new content and new worlds to explore.
I can see once they have the X-Men setup in the MCU. Most likely after Secret Wars. The next phases will focus on them. So we will see more X-Men influences within the movies and shows. Occasionally, they can sprinkle some avengers in the mix. Like a Captain America cameo in a Wolverine flashback. Captain Marvel cameo in a Rogue Disney Special etc…
Yeah I agree with your take on combining shows and focusing on quality vs the amount of shows. Like I would much rather limited series that have a whole character arch happen over 6- 45 minutes episodes and have their character arch finish in order serve the over arching story instead of continuing forever
This was a really relevant and much needed conversation and I kinda wish you might have invited MT from New Rockstars to get all the major perspectives on it. Well done and thank you for doing this! 👍
Watched the making of She-Hulk last night, and pretty sure that it was Feige's idea for the robot (they said they wanted to get someone to play him like Clooney or Hamm (hann - whatever his name was...)
I heard the Den of Nerds channel offer up a pretty solid theory about 3 phases (that includes this phase) in 10 more years and then a complete reboot but I also believe that Secret Wars will be a give feige a chance to somewhat reboot and bring back certain characters played by new actors (Iron Man) and streamline the Fox universe and the other miscellaneous continuity issues.
really makes sense, and it is what essentially was done with the Secret Wars comic from a few years back. MCU continuity porn is a problem, huge weight to be under, and rebooting allows fresh start. And, like was done with Miles, you can pick and choose which heroes survive the reboot like in the secret wars comic. Not only survive, but which come over to the 616 (again like Miles). Ryan - I LOVE your videos. Keep up the great work. Bet you all are fun to hang out with.
I dont think the number of characters is a problem - it's that they started without the rights to all of them. I want to see a lot more of the current characters in the current continuity with the current casting but I would be happy with a big bang type reboot starting from scratch with a really good master plan and all characters locked in and accounted for. That would be pretty awesome.
Hell if they rebooted and started at a much much smaller scale to begin with and had a slower burn that would be great. We really started off with not so much and then boom world ending events with no really side quests that add a lot to these types of characters. I think that's what they went for with Disney+ but with way less popular characters
Loved this panel! Was a super fun discussion. I personally love all the marvel content and devour it all like mad but I have a few friends who have been saying it’s too much I can’t keep up. We’ll see where they go from here!
I think it's gonna be alright. Bob Iger is back as Disney CEO and Marvel is already saying they're focusing on quality over quantity. Nothing to worry about really. I really believe they're gonna steer the MCU back to the right direction it once had.
Totally agree to start branching off into lanes. Let's get an X centric lane, a defenders lane, avengers lane and a midnight suns lane and then one day, let's all go bowling!
Due to all of the time between projects vs the comics I think they can just switch paths for a while. What if we do not get any Avengers stuff for five plus years and instead we are doing the Blades and Ghost rider along with things like Nova and all of the things that can link to that. Than part way into that we start getting the X-Men stuff coming out. Before you know it we are ten plus years in and ready to see some new Avengers stuff that feels fresh.
my penny for thought is that maybe all multiverse will collide but now young avengers will be introduced and will base their backstories through different resources.just a thought tho
I'm not convinced one way or the other as to what their plans are following "Phase 6". However, what I believe they SHOULD do is do away with the Multiverse in its entirety as a result of their battle with Kang during Secret Wars. And consequently, create a new, singular Universe in the process. If Secret Wars is to be considered the swan song for all movies, and thus Universes that had come before, then it would only make sense for them to create something entirely new for them to focus their attention on, moving forward. Said Universe can contain a combination of select, heroes/ villains both new, and old. As well as leave the door open to establish brand new characters that haven't been seen before, or brand new interpretations of previously established characters that haven't been seen since Endgame. They could rebrand themselves for Phase 7 through Phase 12 as UMCU (Ultimate Marvel Cinematic Universe). This would keep all of the events of the first six phases canon. Both, in and out Universe, while also allowing new stories to be told with new iterations of previously established characters without necessarily having to keep up with the six phases that had came before. Perhaps the events of Phases 7-12 lead to the creation of a new Multiverse, that will all eventually culminate into a second Secret Wars event. I feel this is the best move creatively, practically, and narratively. It would allow them to hit that big red button, while also keeping the history of the decades of films that had come before without said films getting in the way of their creative freedom.
Great show!! You guys should do more of these like New Rock Stars. I watched each sponsor video in between to support you guys. Awesome job Paul and Ryan
I think the biggest issue with Phase 4 has been the lack of confirmation of continuations. We have been introduced to so much new but not many season 2s have been announced. I am excited for The Marvels and part of that is the end credit scene of Ms. Marvel. I am excited for the next Captain America movie because Falcon and Winter Soldier helped hype that movie up. Wanda being in Doctor Strage 2 was awesome! But what about Moon Knight? She-Hulk? Hawkeye? What about their future? Phase 4 is the first Phase of the new Saga, a perfect time to introduce the key players, but we are being told they aren't getting season 2s... What is happening? Not much to connect to when we see a lot of one off characters. Is it all connected when nothing connects? We just need to know the plans, to be excited for what is to come. For a business which is often complained about for only marketing the next release, and not focusing on the current release, they have done a terrible job at advertising the future of these characters.
Part of that was the secrecy of Marvel, when they started nobody expected of them to really be conected, but now? ... second parts? we already know that Echo´s show is coming and that Kate Bishop will be in the new Ant-man movie, they introduced the Young Avengers already (though nothing like that has been advertised so far) and the Thunderbolts (and we know that is coming), they introduced mutants (Namor and Ms Marvel) and more Gods (Moon Knight), so the problem is the secretism, but second parts are coming, though probably no second seasons
@@carlosquilez3256 which is terrible. We need a Moon Knight season 2. We had a ton of origin stories and need follow ups. I have only heard rumors of Kate bring in Ant-Man 3, nothing official. Echo will be another season 1 origin. I want to see more of these characters but I have nothing to look forward to fir a lot of them
@@DefHalan Echo won´t be totally a first season but a season 2 in George Lucas logic, you only have to ralize that the main character in Hawkeye was Echo xD... Moon Knight... I´m actually waiting for a Midnight Sons movie... or maybe they will team up in Blade... again, I think the problem is Marvel´s secretism , that it´s also a good way to change plans if the products don´t give money, actually the only reason I have to see Marvels are Photom and Ms Marvel, for example, so WandaVision and Ms Marvel workout in my case
@@carlosquilez3256 the secrecy is definitely a problem when introducing new characters. Honestly, with the series they could have a Season 2 card ready, so by the last episode release, they should know if it was a success and put that card in, or take it out if they are unsure. These shorter phases (5 and 6) also don't help as I feel there is less time for them to continue these characters
I don't think a reboot would be healthy. It'd feel exhausting for viewers who've commited 15 years or something to the MCU, and it'd honestly make a lot of people disgruntled. It'd make the past movies feel illegitimate, like why watch the old marvel movies anymore when all you should consider canon is this new reboot? I think if a reboot were to happen, I'd become uninvested in the MCU entirely and jump ship.
I think 3 lanes is the way to go. There were already plenty of moments so far where it doesn’t make sense that other heroes didn’t help out in some of the single character films
I dont think you have to "reboot", you have so much great IP that hasn't even been touched yet, fantastic 4, Dr doom, X-men etc, your "main" focus can be on those while giving people a break from the rest of it.
Super nerdy episode of SC. This I like. I think the Batman analogy missed a point. We know Batman so well, that if you change actor part of the fun is trying to work out if there is continuity or if it’s a whole new thing and even if it’s a new timeline the enjoyment is watching to pick up differences. Key characters in the MCU, could easily be that and as @heavyspoilers points out, as with spiddy, people won’t mind if they haven’t seen previous versions because that is what it is. I think house of mouse will keep going, they ultimately care only for money, not the fans. I have to disagree about she-hulk, she had a point, it was a massive middle finger to no it all fans and critics who don’t like is being done and at the same time just sheer wit, the FX were sh*te yes but I looked beyond it, and the introduction of scar in the way it was, was deliberate, it was intentionally lazy. That was the point to She-Hulk. FUN and silliness.
Ryan! Loved hearing you on Preston and Steve (your review of Avatar 2)!!! Had a minor super fan moment when they said "from screen crush" my first thought was "no way my guy is on my favorite radio show!!!!" So cool hearing you on there!!!!!!
My thoughts is that the next saga will be mutation and that'll also be the "soft reboot" period where the focus shifts to predominantly new and successor characters. The world will be oriented more to stories around all the non-avenger characters. I think most of the mcu brand is oriented to avengers and avenger adjacent characters. I will say battleworld alone allows for infinite/ what if levels of being able to do whatever narratively
That would be dumb to do a reboot. The universe already isn’t that expanded yet, there’s decades and decades of comic storylines and characters and they genuinely SERIOUSLY barely scratched the surface of the potential of the marvel universe. The 838 universe in Doctor Strange showed how many colorful, powerful and crucial characters that the main universe still lacks and plots that they haven’t went through yet. To reboot it all would be saying “we can’t handle what we set up” which is the concept of a cinematic universe and they have so much more to expand. I’m sorry but for real there’s not that much Marvel content out right now. Everyone’s just saying that because they try watching right when they come out along with EVERY other piece of media alongside that. You can watch these shows and movies any time. Saying this studio is doing too much to keep up with themselves and that they should stop or restart is like saying you got bored eating McDonald’s so they should just close them all down. Not everyone feels the same and the point of a shared universe everything is supposed to feel lively, different not always connected but always together. I think the MCU is doing good and need to speed up the development of the universe rather than press the restart button ‘cause they really haven’t even gotten that far into the universe we already have and I’m having fun with it as a comic fan. Never have we ever seen a universe like this. They need to clean up the CGI and the continuity a bit but not reboot and just focusing on the same characters we’ve been watching for the past 11 years. Phase 4 is just the new phase 1 and I’m getting tired of them stringing the same characters and saying they’re “running out of stories” or getting too out of hand for a fictional modern cinema COMIC BOOK shared universe but that’s me.
@@frightfulnights my point is they don’t need to. That was DC’s answer and even that wasn’t executed that great. That’s sloppy. Marvel can be better. They can be different.
Post phase 6, I'd love to see them bring back a new Cap America, Ironman, Black Panther, etc. Younger actors that can survive the future of the MCU and the same way they casually talk about the Blip, they could reference The Merge or say "yeah I'm a 616er" and no one loses anything. We all just gain more opportunities to see our favorite heroes without losing the sacrifices and experiences that built this universe
I think we should return to the TV Cross over/Defenders projects. I think the BBEG/Sig Weaver character and centralizing Iron Fist randomly was the big fallacy. Everything was, at worst, fine. We can keep the TV down on street level, with some exciting Matt Murdock level cameos in the big movies. That'll help a lot. Cosmic level heros/villains should be reserved as end credit/infinity stone ties for the larger projects as teasing for the big phase ending team up projects--not giving them their own franchises and lanes. Saturating the audience with cosmic entities and stories, the cosmic luster is lost. 2 lanes. Street level TV with heavy references to the movies is one lane. The other lane is A list character movies, with B level cameos. Cosmic lane is the invisible highway that those lanes are driving towards. I want to emphasize, we don't need more Celestial movies, Silver Surfer/Galactus would be boring as standalone, we don't need a Thanos prequel etc.
Why should they explore earth but not space? There's a plethora of space related characters. Thor and guardians of the galaxy barely scratched the surface
@Johnnytee space is fine, and the 'cosmos' they represent sure. But cosmic entities, celestials, galactis, eternity, death, the tribunal etc, they are BBEG that should be built up as phase ending climaxes, not money grabbing franchises that requires character development, struggle. These are the literal primodial essence the universe is made of. These characters are archetypal struggle in a class 'Man vs. God' or 'Man vs. Fate' stories on a grander scale. I guess my point is, they don't serve as standalone franchises, or one way monsters of the week. But should be built up in a Avengers, Thanos, Ultron scenario.
Idk.. I'm struggling here. I agree with Paul. I think it would be nice if they just went full bore with the multiverse. Did soft reboots and kinda made it like comics but with film. But also see Colton's point of doing the levels. Street level heroes, cosmic heroes and mystical heroes and they all stay in their little lanes except for the rare crossover. Maybe a little mix of both?
Everything is going just as planned. Dont overthink things. Stop worrying about fatigue. Blah blah blah. Admire what they've done. What they've built. It's never cinematically been done before. You have no idea what will happen next. Not with audiences. Not with the story of the MCU. Not with Kevin Feige. Anything can change at any moment. Just enjoy the ride. This has been the best cinematic time since 2008. I am glad to have been alive to see the MCU start and get even this far. For some people the only thing to look forward to is the next MCU show or movie. It keeps them going. It gives them light in the darkness that life can be. Stop complaining and thinking only of yourselves. The MCU is amazing. And hopefully will continue for many many more years.
Are we really pretending every single film in phases 1-3 were gems? 🙄 The storytelling in phase 4 obviously needed more time and care, but the problem seems to mainly be the high pressure to put out content on a shifting schedule while dancing around a pandemic.
Right? I actually really liked all of the D+ shows, and I'm sure as hell going to rewatch several of those before I sit through Iron Man 3 or Dark World again. The discussion about "quality over quantity" is a little silly given our apparent collective amnesia about the issues everyone had with phases 1-3.
Completely agree lol but I think after infinity war/endgame people had really high expectations- I dunno, but I've enjoyed phase 4 overall, but I would like them to slow down and emphasize quality> quantity for sure
Phase 4 should've been a max even dozen projects (instead of the 18 we got) across film & tv evenly spread out over a 3yr slate that ran from the start of '21 to the end of '23 with no more than 4 releases a year to help ensure quality control and guard against 'comic-book movie fatigue'!
It’s crazy that the only place that I hear “Marvel should end the MCU” is online. The idea of marvel fatigue is weirdly blown out of proportion. I hear more and more characters and storylines being suggested. Some cultures and audiences are getting their first big exposure to representation in these huge films. Nobody wants less movies and content just better.
16:19 I agree with Ryan. The casual fan DOES get confused. When Rogue One came out, my mom kept asking me questions because she thought Jyn Erso was Rey and it didn’t make sense to her where the movie was one the Star Wars timeline.
That you operate an entire RU-vid channel just to build an audience that you can advertise Heavy Spoilers to, that's a solid move. Top shelf friend right there.
It would be great if they released theatrical versions of the Disney+ shows... take out some of the inconsequential stuff and have it be an hour and a half long supercut of all the episodes. That way it'll be easier to digest for newer viewers.
Great video - nice to see the multolr points of view. I miss the old Collider Heroes show with John Schnepp, Coy Jandreau, Amy Dallen and assorted guest stars going over the news of the week in the superhero media space. This reminded me of that. Would be great if some of the content creators could team up like the Avengers every so often. NR Breakroom is sort of like that but more comedic and less analytical. The Skaar comment missed the point. It appeared to be shoved in because that's what K.E.V.I.N. said it wanted to do even though Jen objected and it agreed to most of her changes. It was a purposeful parody of the issue you mentioned.
I love the existing content and a reboot depends on how well it’s done. I’m at the point where I’m fatigued with cataclysmic events that they have to solve. Focus on characters with lower stakes with well written villains.
That we're sitting here watching you have these conversations is just further proof that the MCU needs to get back to basics. There are way too many shows and stories to keep track of outside of the movies.
If there is a reboot then I think a lot of the current fans will jump ship. I definitely would. Wouldn’t want to jump ship but I’m following the MCU and a reboot, even a soft reboot reintroducing characters that have now been killed off, would just not be the true MCU anymore. Honestly the idea of rebooting the MCU is really disappointing. I’ve loved this franchise for more than half of my life and it’s such a massive escapism that ruining it with a reboot would kinda feel like a betrayal.
The talk about "...not gonna go back and watch them all..." No, most won't. But I look at it in context of my own experiences with the comics. Very few went back and read ALL the comics either. I remember some of the "bad" ones were weirdly charming as well. All in all, I'm here for it. No evolving art is flawless in its progression. Misteps are largely how you get the great ones.
I think the thing where all the parties in the video are wrong is how connected the audience is….they all say they feel like it’s too much to watch and understand but literally so many people actually like to sit and binge movies lol…it’s like a journey you take through the movies and a lot of people enjoy doing that so they will go back and watch every movie. That’s just my take, I don’t think they NEED to reboot nor do I think phase 4 was bad….just seeing everything that they’re setting up has me excited for what’s next! Lol should’ve had me on the discussion panel 😂 great vid tho
thank you for that brief history of the Ultimate comics, I always felt lost on where to start with comics… now going to go binge read F4’s Ultimate series
This is actually full circle because I found Paul’s channel because of house of the dragon and RU-vid suggested this channel after catching up on some marvel content from Paul!
I think Nando v Movies said it best: People checking out of the MCU sometimes is okay. The MCU is pretty much comics now. But you don’t go into a comic shop and say “give me one of every comic Marvel released this month.” Follow what you like, and if you hear one is really good, then catch up if you need to or binge the series when it’s finished.
People got so much from the first phase 1 2 and 3 Infinity saga that they're expecting so much now everyone should just watch the movies some will be good some will be bad and just strapping go along for the ride see where it all ends up I honestly thought this whole second phase wasn't going to be as good till the end and then the next after maybe better
People keep saying "people shouldn't have to do home work to watch a movie," but the people watching them still want an inter connected universe. To them it's NOT homework to them it;s just watching more movies. That's why people get disappointed when things like Agents of SHIELD or something suddenly becomes Non-canon. Honestly, anytime I watched a movie with a friend in "phase 1" that didn't understand the references because they didn't read the comics they'd ask me and even my lose explanations got them wanting to see more. The comics themselves have over 40 years of history, but even they only do small adjustments to continuity from time to time just to tighten the over all story and I think that's what they can get away with. Little recaps or condensing stories into a smaller product so you don;t HAVE to watch 25 hours but you can go back and do it if you want to. I think this way mainly because as a G1 fan of The Transformers franchise, I can say without a doubt the majority of the newer stuff has lost me because of the constant reboots that got more frequent as time went on. With DC I loved the Keaton Batman and as they went along I've barely even looked at recent stuff because so little of it seems to make sense to begin with. All the constant reboots almost pushed me off of Sony's Spider-man, but DC had like five Batmen not to mention they're talking about hitting the reset AGAIN? (DC comics has been pretty famous for hitting Reset but the movies are ridiculous.)
It’s not overcrowded, theirs just no heart in some of the projects right now. Wakanda Forever, Moon Night, WBN, Hawkeye, MoM, and No way home we’re all pretty good. Not the best but acceptable in a interconnected storyline. Unpopular opinion I though eternals was ok too although it could’ve been so much better. It is lame that we have to wait so long for the X-Men, F4, and Blade so I think there backing themselves into a corner as far as projected titles and their relation to the current plot points. I think infinity war/endgame opened the door for a mashup of characters but they then they go back to primarily solo films. I want it all asap. There’s so much content they could use but don’t pull the trigger on. Also I know it’s based off of kids comics but the average viewers aren’t kids anymore. The tones of this phase are so dumbed down and childish. Too worried about have she hulk twerk than they are making a compelling story.
I think you're all overthinking this. Phase 4 is basically a set up for multiple different groups and storylines which will be separate from one another. Thats the easiest way to work it all. Each group is alone in its own and maybe references timelines or characters as a side dressing as we've seen in the shows. Divide and conquer. Each group is managed separately and those stories can then be merged and split as needed.
Yea im actually shocked that people want a reboot. Thats the last thing the MCU needs. With all the new rights to X Men and Fantastic 4 i see no reason to reboot but instead continue to build. If people want Tony so bad, set him up to be the AI interface for Rescue in the future or something around those means. There is way too much story telling left and historically untold to start rebooting. They did a wonderful job a casting all the newer younger stars and kids. Let them tell the story
Me personally I don’t mind phase 4. I feel like people were never going to be satisfied with it because after endgame, fans pressure the studios to get the next universe ending antagonist and if they took too long releasing content, they would just say they weren’t going anywhere with the films not realizing, that you’re not necessarily going to get that in the phase starting the new saga. A few years from now, you can’t go into phase 7, expecting the epicness from 6. You kinda have to do more storytelling. I also know people say it’s too much, but remember we literally didn’t get any content from marvel for a year and a half, with most of the hiatus coming from the pandemic. However now that we’re basically back to normal and we know what lies ahead, we can definitely dial it back for phase 5 a bit.
