I'd like to think Mary truly did love Elizabeth even if their relationship fractured. It's telling that she left Elizabeth alive and even set her free, when Elizabeth later chose to execute Mary Stuart when placed with a similar situation.
Agreed, Mary could've easily had Elizabeth tortured or executed but she didn't and that says something. Despite theirs different mothers and religious differences, they were sisters. Mary had a hand in the bringing up and care of Elizabeth at Hatfield. Hard for Mary to not feel some love toward her sister
@CBA CBA I am as the comment said that when Elizabeth was in the same spot as her sister, she decided to execute Mary (queen of Scotts) while her sister Mary (queen of England) let Elizbeth live, so I point out that Mary (Scotts) tried to have Elizbeth killed
History tends to brush over this, but Mary I seemed to be a compassionate person. Her dealings with both her sister, and Lady Jane Grey, she did not want to execute Jane, show that. Yes she was Henry's daughter, but she was also Catherine of Aragons daughter. Don't forget that.
Elizabeth was Mary's sister, and like her daughter, she raised her. Of course, she felt sympathy for her. But Elizabeth did not even see Mary, Queen of Scots, not her sister, and their relationship was tense from the beginning. And Elizabeth let Mary live for many years and kill her when she was sure that Mary was trying to kill her. And if the first Mary had lived longer years, I don't think Elizabeth would be alive. Sorry because my English is very bad.
I think we don't have to be Team Catherine&Mary or Anne& Elizabeth. They both lost their mothers thanks to Henry's madness and they were alone and cast aside just because they were "illegitimate" and they changed England for the better, because many people don't know it, but Mary was the one who started restoring the Naval ships, trade and works and Elizabeth made a more peaceful transition to Anglicanism than their father and brother and was able to make England a Great Power Country.
@@JO-hu4dx And Henry VIII killed thousands of people for the same reason of not acknowledging him as head of the church or for being loyal to Queen Catherine of Aragon.
"Consorts in realm and tomb, we sisters, Elizabeth and Mary, here lie down to sleep in hope of the resurrection." - That was the inscription on the tomb they shared. Wonder what these two sisters thought, felt, and said about that, as well as sharing a tomb together. While I will never ever know for sure how they truly thought and felt about each other in life and death, I still honestly hope that, in the other world, they have reconciled and made a fresh new start as true sisters.
Elisabeth was raised by Mary, she literally was put on Mary's care and it was said that Elisabeth was very fond of her as a toddler. And even if mary might have resented her, specially her mother, she recognized she was an innocent child. So Mary developped a care for her, even more when Henry also desinherited Elisabeth, that made Mary took pity on her and probably she was the only person that could understand Elisabeth situation as they had that in common. In fact Mary took part on playing Henry to pardon both and that came when their brother was born. Mary also brought her to her coronation hand in hand and also had her named heir. When a Protestant revolution occured, she should have executed Elisabeth and make the country catholic for good but instead she couldnt do it and forgave her.... then both sisters got burried together. This tells us that their relationship wasnt that bad, was probably good and loving.
Truly hope they are both at peace 🕊️ Henry left them scared & bruised nd the second time around Elizabeth excuted mary stuart instead of setting her free like Mary did for Elizabeth
After Anne Boleyns execution, Mary doted on Elizabeth and had her staying with her and her household. When Catherine Parrs husband behaved inappropriately with Elizabeth, Mary went defcon 3 in Elizabeth’s defence.
Actually, when Thomas married Catherine Parr, Mary wrote to Elizabeth begging her to leave her stepmother's household and come live with her instead. She claimed it was because Cathrine dishonored their father by marrying so soon, but it's possible she knew there was something fishy about Thomas and was just using that as an excuse. Before marrying Catherine, he asked Edward VI's blessing to marry Elizabeth. He said no, but if he could convince Mary to wed him, he would have the king's blessing. Mary refused, so Thomas then married Catherine instead. Mary knew about Thomas's proposals to her and her sister( Elizabeth *probably* didn't), and might have been worried about Elizabeth being in his house. Also, during Mary's reign when her and Elizabeth became enemies, it's fascinating how Mary never used Thomas against her. That would have been the more obvious move, claiming5 she was "impure". Instead she used the allegations that she was involved in the Wyatt rebellion ( despite what most fiction depicts, this is an actual possibility) and claims that she may or may not be Henry's actual daughter. Although it would have been in her power to declare a false paternity, she never did. Fiction always makes Elizabeth out to be the perfect angelic angel in their sisterhood with Mary as the villain, but in real life it was more complicated than that.
I wish I can know just what went through Elizabeth's mind when she sat on that throne. But since I cannot, I would like to think it was something along the lines of: "I am going to end that man's entire dynasty.", along with flashbacks of her mother and the other wives. The pain, the suffering, the loneliness, the shame. She brought justice to the fallen wives by ending the Tudor lineage. This woman was a LEGEND.
Elisabeth's a role model for girls,no matter what men tell you It's up to you to decide what to do with your body,how to spend your life. You're not a child machine.
Sadly she most likely wouldn't say her true feelings she knew she couldn't truly trust others for she was constantly betrayed, but she was one of the most badass woman in history and opened a door too prove too history that woman can rule just as good if not better than a man ( not putting men down)
Mary and Elizabeth loved each other when they were younger and when their father was alive, but the inheritance drove them apart. They were united by blood but divided by the crown.
It wasn't the crown that divided them so much as their faith did. Mary was born and raised Catholic and was determined to restore Catholicism to the kingdom, whereas Elizabeth was born and raised Protestant cuz of her father's break with Rome. Add to that the fact that their brother Edward cut them both out of the succession again to prevent Mary's Rise and the subsequent return of Catholicism and that after Mary's unpopular marriage to Philip II of Spain and the plots to put Elizabeth on the throne as a result of her prosecutions, it's no wonder their relationship was strained as a result.
@@viceramirez2563 Having different religions does not necessarily imply to be ennemies. What actually made Mary and Elizabeth ennemies was politic. (Of course, at this time, politic was closely linked to religion.)
I always loved the moment when Henry bows to Mary, despite the way he treats her mother, and how her title was taken a way from her. She's a true princess, and he knows it, deep down.
I watched the studies 3 years ago and lady Mary was always my favourite. I feel this tv show was able to portray everything Mary went through during her childhood, instead of just describing her as “Bloody Mary” Incredible show and video. Totally love it.
And it also makes you wonder if Henry was saying his were having an affair, then why wasn't Henry caught up with it? Since he was having affairs left right and centre and they didn't care? Poor Mary and Elizabeth were abused by their fathers, but her Step-mother did try to reconcile of what Henry took away from them.
I love the Tudors so much! I especially found Sarah Bolgers Mary in The Tudors played absolutely convincingly. And now you've given me Game of Thrones vibes on top of that! 💙
I think that when Elizabeth said the word “queen Catherine” she probably meant queen COA and Mary looked a bit happy that she referred to her mother as a queen.
It was definitely in reference to Catherine Howard and that little smirk was because Mary was delighted that Howard got what she deserved (in Mary’s mind, that is)
She was referring to Catherine Howard. From what I picked up on from a few video essays and documentaries; When Elizabeth saw Catherine Howard being dragged away while crying and begging to talk to Henry during her arrest she deiced that she shall never be put in the same place. Along with other horrid ways her father treated woman in her life solidified that decision
I believe that Mary always had such a strong bond with her half sister even though she was the daughter of someone who took her mothers place as queen. Anne Boleyn was sneaky and it’s sad that Catherine had to go through such a hard time with confusion on why she needed to leave the castle. Mary put up with the normal stuff children go through. Watching their parents part and fight. And then a new mom steps into the picture and you’re part of a new family.
@@anayadegani626 Anne was never SA, at first, She denied Henry’s love and the pressure did get to her but she never allowed Henry to do anything further until he made her queen. But I do agree that she honestly had no choice, she only really did it bc of her family
@@jasperhadlied6812 constant harrasment is a form of sa especially at that time seeing as her chastity was now considered ruined due to Henry's persistent chasing.her parents did everything to stop the marriage but then Anne lost hope that she henry would stop chasing her.
It was all her father's fault of how she ended up like she did from abuse. What she did was wrong for killing so many people. But Henry in a cruel twisted way my late Grandmother had a Brain injury from a car accident and was a different person after the accident like Henry except less violent and murdery type. Us grandkids only knew her after the accident since we weren't even born yet when it happened.
I've always wondered what kind of people they were really. What did they think of each-other personally, not as a Queen and her sister but as women whose mothers both suffered at the hand of their father. If I was in Mary's position, I would have probably hated Elizabeth too when she was born because she basically took Mary's place. But I think after her mother was executed, I would have felt sorry for Elizabeth and I would have taken her under my wing, considering that she would now have no one to take care of her interest.
Mary I was not as bad as some historians made her out to be. Both Mary and Elizabeth experienced so much personal trauma it's amazing that they each made it to adulthood.
Their relationship is just an incredible story. Even though Mary had little trust in Elizabeth and locked her away, her actions werent without their reasons. I believe Elizabeth understood that and made it her mission to make sure Mary was buried with full honors of an English queen. Bonded by mutual respect and duty.
I think I have yet to find a story that focuses exclusively on the relationship between Mary and Elizabeth in true detail and complexity. They were allies in that they were both cast aside daughters fighting in a world of men; but rivals because of their religion and mother’s. Storyline is ten times more interesting that Mary of Scots debacle.
Well Becoming Elizabeth although has problems with Catherine Parr, is a very in-depth portrayal of the Tudor siblings relationships with each other. Mary in that one is portrayed fairly as person with both good and bad qualities.
I really wish that they had continued this series it would have been great to see it Go from the tutors all the way up to the end of the end of the Stuart Royals....
I have to be honest, I could never warm up to a half-sibling whose mother overthrew my own. Mary showed a lot of character and compassion toward Elizabeth, and the two only became confrontational after the death of their brother, which now inevitably set them up as political rivals. Personality wise, Elizabeth was far more cold and calculating than Mary. She would never have given Lady Jane Grey and her family the second chance that Mary did, and in the end, she executed far more people than did Mary.
A child should not be held responsible for a parent/another adult's actions. That's just petty. Also we can tell nothing happened without Henry's permission. No woman can deny his affections unless they'd risk their life and their families. Anne Boleyn just reciprocated it and why shouldn't she? All women were victims once he focused on them (including his daughters). Not all of them were gems but they were people in power, so it's expected they'll use it.
@@EmilyGloeggler7984 Elizabeth presided over the deaths of over 4,000 Catholics, many of them innocent Irish peasants rising up against English rule. She gets a pass because she was a Protestant in a Protestant country, because the Spanish Armada literally defeated itself, and because she had an army of writers (including Shakespeare) on her patronage payroll who glorified her in one of the biggest propaganda campaigns ever waged.
Mary's and Elizabeth's lives cannot be compared to which one was worse because their father Henry viii was a complicated man for whom the most important thing is a male heir and that his own will was also the word of God. their mothers were also compared to each other because Catherine had previously been married to Henry's brother and Annie was the king's so-called mistress
Elizabeth was a brilliant woman but she only just managed to survive and become queen. Bishop Gardiner had her death warrant all written up and ready to go . According to the history book I read . ( Young Elizabeth) . Fortunately the executioner refused as it didn't have Mary's signature and seal on it . But Gardiner said as the queen was so sick he was in charge. Luckily the executioner still refused .
I personally think as Mary warned her sister about what she could and would do I'd she failed her. Elizabeth was smart enough to know it. If that s called sisterly live back then then yes there was a thin love for each other distant as they were. But Elizabeth surly got the message
The mistake Mary made was blame Elizabeth for something she had no control over. Elizabeth did not ask for any y of it to happen the way it did, any more than Mary did. Mary took her anger out on the wrong person.
*sorry but another point Elizabeth was also affected because she lost her mother aged 2. He impulsive behaviour made her sign mary queen of scots death warrant though she was leaving her son behind.
Elisabeth had a harder childhood I think,She Lost her mother at 3 and was isolated from the court,her aunt (Catherine Howard) was beheaded as well and she had a strong bond with her. She said she never forgot her screams and during her reign she was used to have nightmares everynight. We was sexually abused at the age of 13 by a man who was 25 years older than her and that was supposed to protect her. She risked dying during her brother's reign, but during her sister reign she risked a lot more and was imprisoned. Then during her 45 years reign she had to face several plots created to kill her by the catholics and her cousin. She was a true survivor and a woman who didn't want to be treated like property so she never married ,an example for girls.
As much as I pity the Tudor sisters for having a worse bas***d has their father, I loved this edit ✌ GoT theme was icing on the cake , suited the sisters eccentricities so well 👏👏
Waooo light of the seven!!! You can say everything about these two, but they became Queens (and Mary became Vanozza of Catanei too😂). Good work (congratulations👏) but sory, i don't like the credit words in some scenes. Kisses🌹✨ from Spain 🇪🇦
Just to clear things up, we can be neither team Elizabeth or Mary. Sure you can prefer one (for example I prefer Mary) but we don’t need to start any debates over this. They both dealt with horrible things from Henry and from each other. For example, Mary had to deal with being replaced by Elizabeth while Elizabeth wasn’t even allowed to mention her mother (Mary was allowed to talk about her mother and even snuck a letter to her mother through the Spanish ambassador) without getting in trouble. They both did bad things too, Elizabeth’s ratio of years of reign to kill rate is much higher (1:1014.222…)while Mary’s is lower (1:56). On the other hand Mary imprisoned her sister and almost had her executed. Overall there is no need to compare them as they were just as manipulative and as kind as each other.
Every account I have read reports Mary was compassionate to Elizabeth while Elizabeth was growing up. Elizabeth whole heartedly supported Mary in gaining her thronr Remember. They truly believed their very souls rested on each of their faiths. Elizabeth made no\ effoorts to trash Mary after she survived her. Not with the playrightd she patrionized. Nothing.
Well Natalie Dormer might have been cast as Margery Tyrell based on her potrayal as Anne Boleyn in the show. Only Margaery Tyrell was a good queen, kept the people happy while most people were annoyed by Anne Boleyn. In today's terms, Anne Boleyn's PR team sucked bad at the time and Henry's behaviour did not help. Margaery knew how to make an image for herself and her PR team rocked until the High Sparrow came in but still she managed to rehabilitate her image until Cersei flipped over the game entirely. Both women were cunning tho, one was doing for the sake of her family and other had ambition(remember her dialogue "I want to be The Queen" when she was with Renly at the time).
Have always liked Elizabeth R with Glenda Jackson. Elizabeth tried for 19 years not to execute Mary Stuart, but she would meddle in assassination plots!
If Cate Blanchett and Joanne Whalley would had been on the same movie as Elizabeth and Mary definetly would be "The Tudor Sisters" because if one would had been the protagonist, the other one would had outshine for sure lol. Edit: Not saying that the other actors didn't made an outstanding job tho. They were amazing 100% on their papers too. But I would had love to see a movie with both of them.
all I've got to say is even though Mary and Elizabeth may have had a good relationship while they were both still alive, Elizabeth did not listen to all of Mary's will. She didn't rule the country as a Catholic like Mary asked, which I sort of understand bc if the reformation had never happened Elizabeth would not exist, but it's the fact that she didn't listen to Mary's wish to be buried with her mother which I think is disgraceful. Yes Mary wanted to move Catherine from Peterborough to somewhere more suitable which Mary never got to do but the fact Elizabeth is buried ontop of Mary is terrible as their is a perfectly good place in Peterborough where Mary would be next to her mother.
Elizabeth only just got to be queen. Bishop Gardiner signed Elizabeth's death warrant as Mary was too sick by that stage to know what was happening . The Brave executioner refused to go ahead because it wasn't formally signed by Mary.
I hope that both sisters are in the heavens, after the horror that their horried father put them through, perhaps they are also with their respective mothers now.
У Мэри около 10 лет примерно была относительно нормальная семья. Любящие отец и мать. А у Элизабет до 3 лет была мать и то она жила отдельно от родителей. Сирота при живом отце. Возможно матерью ей стала именно Мэри. Две дочери одного отца. Разные. И они получили разные уроки: Мэри - вернуть католичество, выйти замуж за сильного союзника, уничтожить память об Анне. Елизавета усвоила что мужчина может стать серьёзной проблемой, не вышла замуж и правила единолично и эта женщина победила "непобедимую" Испанскую армаду.
Ella no derrotó a la armada invencible, fué derrotada por la tempestad, la mitad de los barcos se hundieron antes de llegar por una terrible tempestad. Si la armada hubiera llegado intacta jamás la habria vencido. Solo tuve un golpe de suerte, un cambio del destino y lo aprovechó. Es algo que siempre se olvida, pero es lo más importante en las consecuencias finales.
No wonder Mary became more cruel then Elizabeth, since Henry never loved Mary and showed more love towards Elizabeth and Edward, and just casted her aside, abondand her anne bolyen and Katherine Howard never showed love to her Katherine Howard was younger than her blackmailed by her father tonmarry her, her father sent away her one and only love. But she did love her sister Elizabeth as she knows she been through the similar trail, Henry just loved Anne bolyen and Jane seymour. So you see that s why Mary turned evil that she had been much worser trauma than elizabeth
Mary hated Anne because everybody knew and was a whore who essentially used the Kings insecurity about not being able to have a son with the first Catherine, Mary's mother, and promised him a son in exchange for him being disowned by the church and marrying her to make her a queen. When Anne could not bear any child other than elizabeth, Mary saw this as an opportunity to use Elizabeth as a bargaining chip. She made sure that Anne was sought out as an evil harlot and a witch so Elizabeth would be seen as a bastard as well, suffering the same horrible fate and making sure that she would have the equal treatment and trauma as young Mary did because Mary did not want Elizabeth to be happy. She hated Edward because Edward was the only male heir to the throne, and despite being the youngest, he would be the only one to be able to surpass her and become king. She only played the role of the good daughter to stay and Henry's good enough graces because she was originally exiled with her mother. From a young age, Mary hated all of her half siblings and her father's other lovers. She planned to take the throne for herself, and her eyes, as a product of all her trauma, she was going to write all the wrongs her father did while he was thinking with his dick and his ego while blowing up at the slightest provocation. And Mary's eyes, she was returning the country back to its original pure state. The way things should have been, before her father ruined everything to be with Elizabeth's mother. And when they grew older and Elizabeth posed as a threat to her, she did anything in her power to make sure that Elizabeth was seen as a bastard, evil, and undesirable. She wanted her sister to know that she was never going to be first pick and that she was never supposed to be alive. Mary did anything to try and ruin Elizabeth to secure the throne for herself. But she ended up screwing herself over in the end, and when Elizabeth came to rule, Mary the Queen of Scots, was put to death.
@@yay29823actually he cared for elizabeth more, especially after marrying anne. after anne was beheaded, he did not care for either of them that much - so there was not a "least favorite" daughter. they were both declared illegitimate for a reason, they were both reminders of his first 2 wives he did not care for anymore. he was so dedicated to trying to conceive a son, he probably forgot about mary and elizabeth a lot. then after edward was born, that is the only child he loved and cared for. it's literally that simple.
@@cg8397 She was reported to have significant menstrual pains and irregularities from adolescence. So she may not have been able to conceive or carry to term. She also was going for a geriatric pregnancy, which increases the risks
@@savagedarksider5934 women are at their most fertile at 17. She was 37. Plus if she had something like endometriosis then it would be way worse at 37 than at 20. I mean once her husband left her she had no chance and I agree he didn't care. But biology was not on her side
la reina al final fue inteligente, prefirio dejarle todo a su hermana tanto el poder como todas las cosas malas que estaban pasando, antes de dejarcelo algun extranjero o plitico corrupto, al final los tudors debian tener el poder.
She truly loved Elizabeth despite their fractured relationship but Mary did have a lot of trauma. She was brutal but she was to me very damaged. Elizabeth to me held anger and resentment and paranoia like Mary. I loved their relationship though
Mary and Elizabeth thought they were enemies but actually,they were two girls who had both lost their mother,right to the throne and the love of their father when they were young,they had each other,i was glad that in the tudors they showed that Elizabeth and Mary had a good relationship than to portay them as enemies.
Incredible! Although I have seen all these films, this is somehow far more enjoyable & exquisite. Movies can become tedious, but these clips, brought together as you have done, seem much more riveting & intriguing. If you have not done so already, you should be making film trailers professionally. Thank you so much for this beautiful artwork. Do not think that just because these films were made beforehand, that you do not deserve as much credit for your inspiration & creativity - all artists manipulate previously heretofore produced works to create their masterpieces... And likewise, so have you.
It is very sad that Henry was a very good father but a horrible husband he was a terror because he Killed Anne bolin and Catherine howerd. I also stand with Ukraine
It was a fashion trend for women to shave their eyebrows and cut their eyelashes back then , they also shaved their hairlines ( hence the big foreheads)
*bows down to mary and elizabeth tudor* you're majesties let me protect you from henry the VIII he cheated on you're mother catherine and to anne boleyn. *bows down*
Even though he wasn’t very nice to any of his daughters, mostly Mary but not to be rude. I love that he learns to love and respect them with all his heart as he did with his son Edward. I love a character development💚
i have this complex with my sister she dont see i do love her she my ex gf and she beatiful more perfect more loved wanted needed safe with in me she everything to me when someone hurt her and raped her i was there to help console her and be there for her so she wont feel alone losing loved ones or seeing your own family hurt or killed and knowing there nothing you can do to stop it or make them understand its not there fault i feel like a failiure as a mom and sister and friend i took a sworn oath to always protect the ones who cant protect themselves
2:54 when she said these words, It was a Declaration for the downfall of the tutor dynasty. It’s like Elizabeth was saying, He treated his wives and my mother like cattle, And for that, I’m going to ruin father’s whole career, especially his whole dynasty! Talk about poetic justice.
