Yeah, I’m not sure why the police officer in the room couldn’t testify as to what he heard. I know it’s not the same, but I don’t think it should be thrown away completely.
@@Hanniekinz because we don't know what she said, and he has an interest in putting her in jail. She would probably say she didn't confess. No proof is reasonable doubt.
I swear I can’t watch nobody else’s true crimes she tells them so genuinely like you can tell she’s not just telling a story to tell it she’s telling it because she cares !
Here in Muncie Indiana we have an unsolved missing person case. Ashley Morris Mullis ended up missing 4 years ago. Her father is desperately seeking answers. He literally stands on the street holding missing person signs. I’d love it if you could bring awareness to the case. Her father is very receptive to interviews.
If they don’t make it one of the charges, they can’t charge her with it. Soo many times people that should be doing time don’t because of over zealous prosecution
The evidence was that they proved he was sitting down when she shot him so that wasn’t self defense. They obviously had a toxic relationship on both ends but she didn’t have to kill him.
Maybe she sent them from his phone to herself? Kind of like that crazy lady who was sending her bf and herself messages from his exes phone pretending to be the ex.......she could have sent them and then deleted them from his phone so when she was planning on killing him it would be "proof".
@@lf9341 I mean, from my understanding you know when the text was sent. It wasn't mentioned that it was sent the night of the murder, so he most likely texted it himself
@@juliarose7236 I think she could have been planning to kill him and sent those text maybe weeks or days before possible when he was taking a shower etc. The thought came to my mind due to another case. Pretty easy to do if you are a psycho.
@@lf9341 I’m not saying she’s innocent but I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed the texts are from him, they check all of that with the cell towers and the dates and times and location. either way, she did kill him on purpose. the evidence shows he was sitting down away from her when he was shot, how is that self defense? smh. I don’t think this was planned though, they would’ve been able to see if it was, I mean it’s possible it was planned and nobody knows forsure, but I feel like she would’ve slipped up and they would’ve found evidence of her searching things up on her phone/computer, buying things to plan the murder, actual proof of the messages being sent by her, etc. who knows though, maybe she hid it well and got away with it.
I think that with how they uncovered the information, that this was a terribly toxic relationship. I think if he didn’t pass away, that it’s inevitable that one of them would be dead no matter what.
This. She changed the story many times and if what happened was true then she'd be repeating that one story all the time not changing it as she pleases unless there is more information about what happened she remembered but she'd keep the first statements as how it is with added info but she kept changing.
@@Maya-dw5jz right...she’s edited it in her mind(several times) depending on who she’s speaking with to create a more suitable narrative for this outcome, getting away with it.
I don’t believe the jury made the right decision. She should have been punished for her actions. I don’t even believe she was abused. She made herself the victim. She’ll be judged by her maker when her time comes.
@@VLM1313 I think it may also be with how the information given is seen as like the first statement she gave they didn't believe her so she tried to change it into something believable but again it didn't work. I have worked in jury, and took part in court proceedings and this happens a lot. They try to créâte these scenarios. She should have been convicted becsuse she did murder someone whether or not a mistake or with intention.
I understand the other two, but where's the issue with hunting animals? I hunt. It's proven to be a quicker & more ethical death for the animal that any of the meat you buy from your grocery.
Peachy Queen I don’t know it she hunted for meat or ‘sport’ but even if it was to eat, why kill more innocent animals than what are already being killed in the meat industry? I’m English by the way so our attitude to hunting (and gun ownership) is very different to Americans..:
@@peachyqueen4399 Is something morally justified because it's a personal choice? If someone chooses to abuse a dog or a human, they've personally chosen to do that but it's not morally justified. What about the personal choice of the animals? They would never choose to be killed for us. They don't want to end up on our dinner plate. So what about their personal choice to not live a life of human-inflicted exploitation and death.
Gosh.. sometimes a relationship can really be toxic for both people. I wish people would let go of relationships like this. Both people may have been ok on their own..
I agree. Sounds like the state should have charged her with a lesser charge like man slaughter or something that fits the crime just to a lesser degree than the original charges. If that makes sense. Maybe she wouldn’t have gotten off free as a bird. Definitely deserved to go to prison for this.
@@Crayola.n Yeah a lot of times the prosecution doesn’t want to charge with the lesser offense because they are afraid the jury will go with that instead of charging them with straight up murder. But that’s always a risky move because then you have situations that turn out like this.. Where because there wasn’t a lesser offense to charge her with she just gets off with not guilty and no punishment. Should have added some lesser charges for sure!
@@dude7937 my mom used to work at an urgent care that did drug testing for the school district and other companies but they never had to drug test the bus drivers
I dated someone that was extremely toxic and pushed me to the edge all the time. He made me look like a crazy jealous person to his friends and family. I’m not saying she wasn’t guilty but he probably drove her crazy! We never know what happens behind closed doors
Maybe she sent them from his phone to herself? Kind of like that crazy lady who was sending her bf and herself messages from his exes phone pretending to be the ex.......she could have sent them and then deleted them from his phone so when she was planning on killing him it would be "proof".
This is so idiotic. She did kill him and if he was sitting on the bed then he was not lunging at her and therefore she was not in danger. It is murder.
Nonetheless there’s no confession tape and not enough proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s unfortunate but they were both toxic and certainly had issues.
If she claims he lunged at her when she shot when they proved he was sitting down when he was shot totally disproves self defense in that moment. Whether all the other stuff is true or not the moment he was shot he was sitting on his bed. That's murder not self defense.
Yep. Forensic evidence proved her story was false. You're on it Kristen LR ! I can't believe she got off. Definitely didn't seem like a healthy relationship either way but justice wasn't served.
I genuinely can’t comprehend how people still try to use the “accidental trigger” excuse. This is not the movies nor is it a Hollywood TV series, there’s a pressure value that has to be met for the trigger to pull. Pounds of pressure.
Her simply lying about how she did it was enough thought and tying to play the sad scared girlfriend who “accidentally “ killed their boyfriend on the 911 call (knowing she was drunk or drinking and she probably killed him out of anger especially if they were arguing which can be proved and boom the motive is there and tbh it’s obvious) etc if it was a domestic violence situation and She was at risk or getting beat or something the cops would know she would’ve said that first on the 911 call too. I just got further in a video more motive he was gonna leave her ass as he should tbh And there’s proof she’s pulled a gun on him before just for a fight this time it just so happened that she killed him. Ik you can’t be re trialed for the same crime buttt shiiitt she needs to be cause she probably gonna do it again .
They had all the evidence for how many times she would change her story, and evidence that he was just sitting when she killed him. All evidence that she went after him but NOT GUILTY. I really don’t understand the word no enough evidence.
Sounds like they were in a terrible relationship. They were both wrong in their treatment of eachother. But she killed him. After threating to kill him multiple times. So.
@Mo Elm no one said that justifies murder. Just proves he was abusive as well as she was. She’s guilty of murder definitely, but he still was abusive. It’s not like he couldn’t have been abusive and been murdered in the same token.
@Mo Elm what the messages proved was that they were both at the very least verbally abusive to one another. Whether or not the abuse was actually physical we can’t know for sure.
Right ?! It’s legit one of the first couple rules in gun safety. One would think it’s common knowledge (and common sense lol) but I got in a dumbass argument with some popular model on Instagram that posted a bunch of videos and photos trying to be cool by pointing a loaded fucking gun at the cameraman. When I pointed out why it’s not safe to do so, she argued with me, tried to deny it when her cameraman had a literal picture of her pointing the gun directly at him, tried to sick her crew against me, and ofc ended up deleting all the comments; and I’m still salty about it because it’s so lame that someone is so delusional, surrounded by “yes men”, and has the narcissistic trait of never wanting to be wrong even when they’re provided with evidence disproving their argument 🤦♀️
Completely different things. Contrary to what a lot of libtards believe, most hunters don't hunt because they hate animals. Deer hunting for instance. It's much more cruel to let the deer population get out of control than it is to hunt a certain percentage of them.
@@rootsm3 No, some of these stations just don't have the budget. That's just not how it works. There's an entire commissioning agency that decides where that money goes and sometimes the money just isn't there.
Agreed. If she was a male she would have been charged and I say this as a female myself. Phil Spector rightfully went to prison despite claiming the shooting was all an accident because it was murder and it didn’t add up. Same should have applied to her.
Well, the prosecutor asked for a murder case, while Mary said she, 'accidentally' shot him, so that automatically makes it more complicated, combined with the possible abuse and mostly circumstantial evidence. There wasn't enough evidence to convict her for murder, they should have gone for a manslaughter charge.
@@oren1305 The “accident” part of her statement was proven false so that alone should raise suspicion. I think this was premeditated because of her luring him back with a steak dinner. Just my opinion.
You forgot the part “even though I’ve gone hunting with guns a million times, know more about guns than my now dead boyfriend and work at a gun store handing many customers guns just fine, but yeah I accidentally shot him in a vital organ” 👌
At the end of the day, we haven't seen all the evidence because over 60 pages of his text messages were so vulgar they couldn't be released to the public - that is *very* telling. I go back and forth because they *both* seem incredibly toxic, but she does seem like a victim of domestic abuse. I do think she should've at least been charged with manslaughter, but that's only from what we know about this case - which as we've seen, is very little. 🤷🏾♀️ Great video - loved that you put in more pics and video from the case. Your puppy is precious and you look gorgeous! Stay safe everyone.
I think she set him up. I also think she "sent" those messages from his phone so she can have an alibi and say he was abusive. Reminds me of a case where a woman did that.
@@lf9341 they don’t just bring screenshots in the courtroom and believe it’s real evidence. they check with the cell towers, the times, the dates, the locations, etc. they would’ve been able to tell if the texts were sent from her and if they had been deleted or not. They do a forensic analysis on all technology involved in cases where it’s present, they even brought up her search history when she babysat for someone. I’m seeing your comment under everyone else’s and I’m just letting you know it doesn’t work like that. just how they were able to tell the messages were sent from that “crazy lady” in that case you’re talking about and in so many other cases, they would’ve been able to tell in this case as well. those messages dated back weeks and months from him, they were obviously real. so real that many of the texts couldn’t be released, both of them are guilty for being toxic and abusive, he shouldn’t have died of course, she should’ve let him go and be with his friends. it’s a tough case honestly.
@@lf9341 So you think for an entire year before the murder she kept sending such messages from his phone to set up her story so far ahead in advance? And he never noticed those messages on his own phone?
@@ljuben5738 It's easy to erase the messages after you hit send so he would not know it was from his phone. Just another perception. If you are capable of murder you are capable of anything psychotic.
They were both very toxic. But still...Whenever there's a case like this, where domestic violence is involved, it is hard for me to come to a conclusion. What I can say for certain though, is that changing the story 10 times, is very suspicious 🤷
I think she’s guilty because why would she change her story SO MANY TIMES and I don’t believe it was self-defense they should have charged her with something. Who’s to say she won’t do it again?
@@DarkAngel71180 First of all I never disrespected you in anyway so please watch your mouth and second of all I know that when it is self defense they don’t charge the victim which is why I said that I didn’t believe it was self defense
This is such a frustrating outcome! The whole defense was “self defense” and they proved he was sitting down! If the one in trial would be the guy, he would totally be in jail! Terrible jury call!
Ignoring the fact she chased him in her car, so she was looking up violent adult content to "please" him the same night she planned to break up with him? Too many contradictions.
It’s not contradictory at all, she was clearly being abused but couldn’t leave him and he clearly couldn’t leave her either even though he didn’t want to be with her. She made him his favourite dinner to make him happy, she even was going to go out of her way to let him abuse her sexually to make him happy.. this is what happens when you’re being abused.
@@angiecats5298 as someone who has been in an abusive relationship and got out, I can tell you that what you described is not always how it is. Some domestic abuse victims do get out and live relatively healthy lives, some turn into murderers, and others turn into the victims of murder. It's not clear cut across the board. Also, in my opinion the story was extremely contradictory given she was chasing him and his friend down in a vehicle, yet was so terrified of him and was breaking up with him that night. The original call said "I accidentally shot my boyfriend" as well, and it was only changed to self defense after her defense team knew that her confession tape was not usable. At the point where a life was taken and there was that much evidence but the nail in the coffin was not usable I get why the jurors made the decision they made. Unfortunately that family doesn't get justice for an obvious murder because of the failures of first responders and the interrogation team. Justice was not served and she should consider herself lucky to have had that evidence be screwed up because that would have landed her in jail had they not screwed it up.
@@carriecagnon411 As someone who has also been in an abusive relationship, I don't think it's contradictory at all. Some abusive relationships can make the abused person become extremely toxic as well as it gives them some semblance of control in the relationship.
I know, what I love about these videos is no matter how depressing the stories are, I see the sleepy dogs or a fluffy cat and it adds a cute innocence that makes me less stressed hearing true crime stories 🐶🐱
@@a2point083 I mean obviously otherwise this comment would be under that post. Did you wake up and chose to try and start an argument over the internet because I was literally making a comment based on the lowkey bias I felt from the jury in agreement with the statement the person who’s comment I commented on. Duh.
@@lilgass7648 The unfortunate thing is if he was still alive he'd possibly get more ridicule than Mary and be treated as the villian despite there being more evidence toward her being the aggressor I've seen too many stories where this happens to Men who are accused of rape and or abuse the most recent example that comes to mind is Johnny Depp.
I seriously don't understand how anyone still uses the whole "it just went off", like it will never go off without someone pulling th trigger. It takes force to pull a trigger, just dropping or tossing that gun wouldn't make it go off. So upsetting to us responsible gun owners.
My cousin was murdered last year and the man that shot him tried the "I was passing the gun to him and it just went off" Yea, sure, thats how he got shot in the back of the head 🙄 Its so frustrating to see the same excuses in other cases. Its takes a determined squeeze to fire a gun, not a whisp of air
And the fact that all glocks have safety triggers that take more of a pull to fire the firearm makes that excuse even more ridiculous! She is most def GUILTY
It’s because there was evidence of him being abusive, and she was claiming self defense and there wasn’t enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt so the jury ruled in favor of self defense
I just typed the same thing. So glad someone else pointed this out. I get so sick of hearing stories everywhere claiming a gun "accidentally went off" My husband is a marine vertan, my grandpa is an army veteran...both with multiple tours of duty. My grandfather shot a hole in his floor while cleaning, and he knows its bc he made a mistake. He didnt treat the gun like it was loaded and pulled the trigger before checking. If you do 3 simple things then a gun CAN NOT "accidentally discharge" 1.treat all weapons as if they were loaded 2.keep your finger off the trigger(unless you ready to shoot) 3.never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to shoot.
Exactly!! And for someone who is suppose to know basic gun safety, she should have been well aware that the gun was loaded and you don’t throw a gun at someone.
😆😂😆. That's crazy talk. I've watched hundreds of these type of videos and this is the worst case of injustice ive come across. The other day a police officer killed a women and got 7 t 10 years. I thought that was terrible. This is worse
This was definitely a mutually abusive relationship, but I absolutely think she shot him on purpose. The man still died, to get away with no chargers at all blows my mind.
I don’t think it was on purpose I think she did it out of anger and didn’t think at all, and just saw red. Cause I have been in that place myself where I would want to hurt my ex/bf really bad because of how he treated me sometimes
I have personally been in an abusive relationship like this. I’m not excusing her, absolutely not. She should have left, but when you completely lose every part of yourself including your mind, things are jumbled.
I went to school with her Taylor Street Middle to be exact. We had several classes together , all honor classes. She was extremely intelligent and extremely crazy.
"Mary loved animals (she once tied a shoelace to a frog and forced it around the neighborhood...) and she loved to hunt animals" I already am suspicious of and not liking Mary. 2:21 in
so true! I'm sure the frog loved being walked around the neighbourhood on a leash. They didn't mention it died, which would be highly likely since frogs shouldn't really be over handled.
@@morgansmith8833 Did you even see the messages he sent her? They both were not good to eachother. Doesn't make up for the fact she murdered him, but he wasn't an angel.
@@morgansmith8833 he wasn’t the best person. Doesn’t mean it’s ok for him to get murdered but based off the texts he sent, he was trash! Sorry but the facts are there
@@morganknapp2917 so have you ever said anything you regretted in ange before? Also did you know him? Bc anyone who did knew who Steven really was. Just because he was in a toxic relationship doesn't mean he was a bad person
They failed this man. Any person standing, with a loaded gun. Towards a person sitting down? The only self defense likely being here, was that man trying to get the gun away from her. But by the sounds of it he never even got the chance. And how does this even make sense, your story is you throw a gun at a man who you are trying to "protect yourself from"... Shame on that woman. There are special places.
It doesn’t matter this guy is so abusive and a lot more then her. What so she stalked him? Come on that’s not really abuse. I really don’t think she’s guilty this guys a total jerk. Don’t be abusive and you won’t be shot. I really have no empathy for him at all. She’s just fighting back in self defense.
@@annmarie6870 What evidence is there that he was abusive??? Other than her word?? Who by the way, is someone that was being charged with murder who lied MULTIPLE times?? Angry text messages aren't proof of that. There is wayyy more evidence that SHE was the abuser. It's so disappointing that male victims of domestic violence are so rarely believed. Sad.
@@annmarie6870 Let's say it's true he was abusive why ddnt she break up with him and leave him? Who is she to take someone life, why ddnt she report the abuse, why did she stay. Girl please
did the comments section just conveniently forget that he literally mentioned punishing her through sex? and that there were texts so vile they couldn't even show them?? i mean, i'm not saying she just had the right to shoot him, this was definitely murder, but he's not the only victim in this. he abused her too and there was proof of it. him being a nice person in the public doesn't mean he was nice behind closed doors. both of them were horrible to each other. she should be charged with murder, but they were mutually abusive and i think it's important not to forget that.
yeah I love Kendall's videos don't get me wrong but I was kind of annoyed that he was introduced in such a nice way like "he loves his mom uwu" when he is obviously a misogynistic scumbag. I honestly don't doubt that he was abusive, but it seems like she probably was too. seems like a really toxic relationship.
I think there’s plenty of evidence to prove she murdered him. Idk why the jury thought otherwise. Like loading the gun with grease from dinner, the changing of stories, the physical evidence of his body placement, her confession (even if it wasn’t recorded, she confessed to two detectives), the fact that he’d been chased down by her in a car. That’s plenty of evidence in my opinion.
The only argument I could think is maybe she loaded the gun to threaten to kill herself; which she was known to do. I definitely agree she should’ve been convicted.
I was in USArmy Basic Training. Though I haven't used a weapon in decades, I still know how to handle myself. When the military trains, you never forget!
I live in Georgia. We own many guns. You don’t “accidentally” shoot someone when you’re supposed to be an expert gun owner. And usually gun owners ALWAYS have a loaded gun nearby bc it’s for protection. If someone breaks in you don’t have time to get a gun out of a safe, then load it, then protect yourself... no. Idk man. It sucks.
I thought the exact same thought! How tf would you accidentally pull a trigger?! Stuff like this just doesn't happen. Guns don’t shoot people on their own. Other people do.
@@susiefoxy8130 There are 4 rules of gun ownership that responsible gun owners abide by. You have them in your head AT ALL TIMES because guns aren’t toys, they’re for safety. This whole story is... off.
I've never even held a gun, let alone been trained with them and I feel as though this would just be common sense! Someone who knew so much about guns should definitely have known better.
@@joanodom2104 exactly. Feminism isn’t about women being considered better than men, it’s about equality. Every gender deserves to be treated equally. She should be in jail, she murdered him. Simple as that
My baby daddy is the same way where he tells everyone he loves them, just because he thinks everyone should hear it and know that someone will always love them. That just made me so sad for the boys family and friends. 😭
personally, one of the many things that ticked me off was when the detective tried to say that just because someone went through trauma that their sexual interests would not be a certain way. trying to make an argument saying that victims of sexual assault cannot have preferences outside societal norms or it didn't happen. i guess it just rubbed me the wrong way
Ugh!! This is so frustrating! They were both toxic but I truly believe she is guilty. It’s is extremely sad especially because it seems he was really trying to leave the relationship that night
When the facts are straightforward, being a juror is easy. In this case there were so many failures on all levels that made a guilty verdict iffy. Based on what was presented, I believe she was guilty but had all the emotional points on her side.
I’m pissed too. As the person who was being abused in a relationship, I can tell you the chances of that abuse being shown around anyone are almost nonexistent. Abusers are careful and they do things in private behind closed doors. They manipulate you and mess with your head so much that you don’t know what the truth is anymore. They twist everything so you feel like the bad one. Even if she had bruises, how is that proof he abused her? Maybe he was pushing her off of him. Maybe she was wrestling around with him and he was just trying to get her to stop. I’m sure the relationship was very toxic, but what man openly says to his male friends, he wants to leave a woman because she’s abusive towards him? Most men will feel like their friend would tease him or say he’s just weak. Men aren’t often looked at as being the abused one in relationships. There aren’t many men going around saying that, unless it’s true. As the person being abused, I would tell my close friends things but only a certain few I knew I could trust. I wouldn’t make it up. It was obvious. I made sure people knew so I had people knowing the truth.
@@hithereiam4878 exactly! It’s not like the abusers gonna do anything in public! I’m sorry you had to ever go through that and I hope you’re in a better place now!
Not saying she is innocent but just wanna comment. I was in a physically abusive relationship. My kids dad. And I would chase him down. I have done it multiple times. Literally chased his truck. Or went and found him. All while I still had black eyes. So saying she wouldn't chase down her abuser isn't a fact. When you are in a relationship like that especially when you are young and its your first love so you think this is just how relationships are because you have nothing to compare it to. My kids father passed away at 27. I was 23 and 8 months pregnant with our 3rd child. I still had bruises from our last fight at his funeral. And I still was devastated at his loss. Im 39 now and have never let another man put his hands on me. And I still love my kids dad more than anyone outside of my kids and grandkids. Toxic abusive relationships don't fit in a mold. People do stupid things when they are that passionate about someone. You put everything into that relationship so when its good its amazing and the passion is so intense but when its bad all that passion fuels your anger. The intensity of the ups and downs will make you do things you never thought. I stabbed him in the leg once to get away from him because he had a gun and was loading it. I STABBED someone. If you may me you wouldn't think that about me and the me now wouldn't be in a relationship that lead to a stabbing. I'm just rambling now but my point is you don't know what people will do in an abusive and toxic relationship you can't compare it to what a rational person would do in that situation because they aren't rational.
@B Scarano thank you so much. I have 2 daughters and I try so hard to drill into them that relationships should not cause you physical pain or severe emotional trauma. My older daughter(18) is in a relationship now and has a son with him. He has never been physical with her but they are very toxic and emotionally abusive to each other. The worst part is my daughter sees this in her rational moments but is so caught up "in love" and with him being my grandsons dad that she won't leave. It's hard to watch and I feel so bad now that I know what it is like (and was like for my) family and friends to see it from the outside and not be able to stop it. And I 100% agree with people not making definitive statements like that when they aren't the ones in the relationship. Even if 99% would react one way that still leaves 1% that will act another way.
Thank you for saying this!!! I was thinking about just this as she was discussing the phone calls and “crazy gf” behavior. I completely believe that she was being abused. All of this behavior hits close to home
Being hysterical like that isn’t fake necessarily. I lost my dog of 13 years last fall. When I found her I held her and repeatedly screamed, “why, oh god why? My baby girl. Not my baby.” This lasted over an hour. The entire neighborhood could hear me. Everybody reacts to traumatic events differently. Not saying she’s innocent though because homegirl clearly shot him.
I knew this boy. He was a classmate of my son and we all knew about Mary Katherine. The main thing about her was that most of the girls did NOT like her. There's only two high schools in Griffin so everyone at each school knows everyone else and most of the other. They moved in together very young and a lot of the kids at first wanted to hang out where they lived, but that didn't last long because she was so possessive. This couple were known because anytime the boys tried to get together with Steven she wouldn't have it. For them to have any time without the girls was a nightmare if she found out, she'd show up at anyone's house, or anywhere, and the boys would have to ask for their parents to watch out for her coming. They came to my house (the boys) for a birthday pool party and she came to the door. I knew about her being a pain, so I had her wait on the porch to see if Steven was there. He said no he wasn't there. I went back to the door to tell her he wasn't there, but she was already at the side of my house calling to him from the gate and trying to unlock my gate. I told her he wasn't there and she started telling me off for "lying" to her . I told her to leave the property and she went and parked her car across the street to watch until he left the party with her. That was the only contact I'd ever had with her in particular, but I knew about them and their history and all his friends did, so I was shocked at that verdict. It was obvious to anyone she was a dangerous stalker, and I'd bet my last dollar that messed up recording was a favor done for someone. Griffin is a small town with a lot of nepotism in the PD.
without sounding disrespectful, cases like these make me feel so grateful to be in a healthy relationship. i can’t imagine how horrific this is for the family.
I think she is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They did have a toxic relationship, but it obviously went both ways. The reason I think beyond a reasonable doubt is because she knew how to handle guns. It isn't something you do not unlearn or forget. Especially since she worked in a place where she was handling firearms on a regular basis. I am a CCW permit holder. You don't forget. And you take it seriously. Every. Time. Also because of what happened with her chasing him down two hours beforehand, her internet search history, because of the grease on the gun/ammunition, and because he was sitting.
Correct. Hunting for food is necessary. Cattle and chicken farming is necessary. Enjoying the act of taking the life of another living creature is where we have a problem.
i feel like people are underestimating how much abuse can alter your mental state. they both weren't rational most of the time(considering they were both just straight up abusing each other), and they both probably went from "loving" each other one second to absolutely hating each other the next. if anything it'd make less sense if they had a more consistent "love" for each other.
i think she definitely did it, however this sounds like a case of reactive abuse to me. where the abuser pushes and pushes until eventually the other person snaps and reacts in a abusive manor, then the abuser backs off and acts like the other person is just insane. if
Speaking from over 20 yrs in a violent relationship I believe her tracking him down and constantly calling him to come home would absolutely happen, it’s like a reaction to the abuse from being maybe gaslighted? She also would have been portrayed as the crazy one I’m afraid.... is she guilty I honestly don’t know I’m quite torn 😥
I agree! It’s trauma bonding. I also can see why the story changed so much. When I was in an abusive relationship I would change the story to best suit my abuser. I can do not believe it was premeditated murder either. I’d say it was a snap judgment. You have to experience severe abuse to be able to see her side. But ultimately she did take a life and does deserve some sort of punishment.
I think they were both toxic but she shouldn’t have killed him. she still should’ve served time but not for first degree murder. It’s BS she was just let free she still took his life.
She did it. She got off bc the “System” favors women, which is sexist, yet you never hear women criticize this because they prefer the System the way it is.
I think she's guilty. No woman who'd kill in self defense wouldn't chase down their abuser prior to the shooting. While I agree both parties are toxic, what she did was premeditated murder
People who've never been in abusive, toxic relationships tend to think of the domestic abuse as something similar to an assault by a stranger on the street, i.e. why would you chase down your abuser and ask to come home, why wouldn't you just leave, why didn't you call the police, etc. However, in domestic abuse, and especially in such toxic cases like this one, there are layers upon layers of psychological distortion of the situation and strong unhealthy emotional attachment from both sides. So I can easily see how an abuse victim would chase down her abuser in attempt to "talk things through" and "make the relationship work". I'm not saying that is exactly what happened, but it is possible nonetheless. However, I don't think she's innocent and that she should've just get away with shooting and killing her boyfriend. I don't think it was premeditated either. Most likely, she snapped in the heat of the argument. Which is still murder and she should be in jail.
