Mass Effect 3 - Letting the Geth die 

No, it doesnt!

@@gabematthews4532 Quarians, every time. Fu these robots.

Camaroni1000 Fucking true

@TheVoiceOfTruth Go fuck yourself.

@@TheChurchofJim The best moment of the trilogy was wiping out the geth and shooting Legion.

@@fabianocaruana8622 Go fuck yourself.

@@fabianocaruana8622 italianoooo

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

We should kill the hanar too. They worship the Protheans, who are now/were the Collectors. Can't risk them having a change of heart. Boil their oceans in nuclear fire and kill the Drell too, if they interfere.

robots are machines.

@@lanceelopezz223 They are sentient beings. They actually have more emotion and decency than some people in the game - like Zaeed.

@@Sawtje2 Completely incorrect. The geth can't even be considered evil because they are not conscious.

@@Sawtje2yeah they are so emotional. They only killed every Quarian who was on Rannoch and who didn’t flee. They burned schools slaughtered babies and killed 99% of the Quarian population. Some real emotion being showcased.

​@@BumboLooksThe Geth slaughtered Quarians en masse to the point of near extinction. That means they killed babies, children, the elderly, the disabled, all non combatants. They only realized they were in the wrong once the Quarians fled off world. That's not even counting the Geth failing to contact citadel species in 300 years and only letting heretics pass through and kill council races without actually telling anyone the heretics don't represent true Geth. If the Geth were truly good, they wouldn't drive their creators to near extinction, and on top of that wouldn't have willingly sided with the Reapers two times.

Nar'ok Fireshout tbh, not-Legion's response makes just as much sense, and Legion's lack of hostile dialogue is just a testament to how much they admire and trust Shepard (and even Tali, if u did ur shit right in ME2) - the fact they both try to kill Shepard shows that barring this difference their thought processes are very similar - like there's nothing TO understand, rly, if the geth die it's because Shepard valued the quarians/the largest fleet in the galaxy over a race of their self-liberated former slaves who have been subjected to attempted genocide by the former multiple times at this point, which is fucked up no matter how u look at it

***** Never meant their response didn't make sense its just interesting to see just a major difference especially when talking about the extinction of the Geth.

Legion be like: “No we will not allow you to decide our fate” VI be like: “We were correct to distrust organics” RACIST Also when they say “uploading the code” Legion sounds scared whereas Geth VI sounds vengeful

NGL I accidentally sided with the Geth and had to reload it still feels guilty though I just don’t understand how when it comes to the rachni and the Krogan it’s renegade for them to go extinct yet when this comes into play for some reason it’s paragon 🤬 BioWare

I miss Shepard x tali

Jayman493 I didn’t duck the geth!

Why? The Quarians where the one's who attempted to destroy the geth first. Do you even read the dialogues? The game points out from the start that the quarians are unfair. Even the paragon choice is saving the geth.

@@georgevourtzoumis2967 Not this generation of Quarians, no. They have their ancestors to thank for this mess, but they didn't start the war, they only grew up with being at war and were taught who the enemy is. So it's natural that the fear and hatred against the Geth is a core aspect of their society and the war was way too hot for anyone to let their guard down, even if it looks like the more logical choice. The thing is, no one of that Quarian generation even knew/believed that the Geth were ready for peace. It was only thanks to Legion that the Geth's voice could be heard at all and even more convenient that his allies were Shepard and Tali. Peace would have never been a logical option, for Quarians, Geth or anyone else, without Legion. Or without Shepard, respectively.

I always let the geth die, they are just machines. Shouldn't be a question.

Careful mate. You're bound to piss off the sensitive Toaster Simps. Edit: Nevermind, they are already here and they are SALTY 😂😂

Wtf you mean, the organics felt threatened by something they didn't understand and just decided to attack, you know because "wE duMb oRgaNiC we AtTaCk wHaT we nO unDeRsTaNd".

Versabane a bit late to reply but I see what you did there

This is the canon way. No way in hell Shepard would choose 1 or the other when he can save both

​@@Bigr3d613 You say that, but people also consider Destroy to be canon.

@@joshuagross3151 and in order to accomplish perfect destroy peace between the 2 must be achieved not to mention they say the geth are returning in the next game so if the destroy is canon then both would have to survive rannoch

@gabematthews4532 If they're destroyed, the new ones wouldn't be Geth, just a copy race made to imitate the original. Remember, their code is also imbued with Reaper technology, so choosing Destroy kills them, body _and mind._

Wait you can save both?

l mgng l yep. If you make the right choices in ME2 and 3 you can

oh, I definitely would feel like a monster destroying the Geth

@@cobalt-6D Yes, after going through the Consensus, were it not for Tali, I would have destroyed the quarians myself. Selfish bastards, always on the high-horse. The geth were just defending themselves. I wish there was an option that Quarians go extinct except for Tali. Before Legion's Consensus I liked the quarians, but they even hurt their own who had any feelings for the geth. From that point I will never fear sympathy for the quarians, except for Tali of course.

​@@commanderynx3686 there are other Quarians who did not agree with the decision to attack the Geth. Also in the beginning Tali hated the Geth just as much as the others that you so strongly hate. You can't judge an entire species based on the actions of a few. Otherwise, you are a hypocrite.

He's as much a victim of his ancestors' lies as the rest of the fleet.

@@joshuagross3151 What lies? The geth are the ones who genocided 99.9% of Quarians, which include children, pregnant women, the elderly, disabled people. The geth are the ones who stole the Quarian homeworld and refuse to give it back, even though they don't need it and the Quarians do. The geth are the ones who murdered Council diplomats and any other organic ship that entered the Perseus Veil for the past 300 years. The geth sided with the REAPERS. TWICE. The Quarians are not the bad guys in this situation lol.

@@joshuagross3151what lies. Say what you will about the Geth sympathizers being erased from history. But that doesn’t change the fact the Geth killed 99% of the Quarian population.

Gerrel is a villain. He’s corrupted in the sense that he is only seeing red when he sees Geth. He is willing to risk his own peoples lives and throw away even innocent civilians lives away to beat the Geth who aren’t the real threat. The Reapers are the real threat.

@@gabematthews4532 Yes I can blame him. The rest of the fleet also want Rannoch back but, are open to peace and aren’t trying to throw away the civilian fleet and the rest of the fleets away in a war that they cannot win. He’s reckless and irresponsible. I could say that he isn’t just acting irrational because he wants his homeland. He also wants the Geth dead and will do anything to destroy them. He is incapable of leading the fleet.

Exactly my thoughts in order to have anything left after the war you must either make peace or side with the quarians I just don’t understand why they made siding with the geth a paragon option (which I accidentally chose and had to reload)

@@gabematthews4532 I think it was because in 3 you suddenly go through a bunch of forced quests to make it look like the Quarians are the bad guys and Geth are just "Misunderstood" So its the paragon option because the game is pretending that all the Geth you fight over three games are suddenly actually just good bots who just want to live. Meanwhile they get to freely kill an entire race and then get to die later anyway. The best option is always kill the Geth, or make peace between the two.

@@Goremize agreed I just hope that in the next game we see the quarians or Tali at the very least

so you decide to use reapers tech for geth but you destroy Cerberus and kill Illusive Man

My first playthrough I chose to kill the Geth simply because I couldn't trust something that could be re-written. If Sheppard can re-write them to be on his side, who is to say someone later on won't do the same thing?

Same here, anything to do with the reaper code and reaper technology should be treated seriously regardless if it would be beneficial. I didn't take the chance during my first playthrough.

It’s not about the war assets it’s about who we care about I mean why did they make the renegade option to side with the quarians when they’ve been allies since ME1 and the geth have been enemies I mean seriously they lured me into a trap with that Wrex: I made the mistake of trusting you believing you were my friend That’s what I thought when legion didn’t send some sort of message to the Geth telling them to not attack

“We are not legion” I think it’s cool how legion has 2 stand ins Geth VI if legion was sold off Legion VI if legion died

ikr. Before i had bought the Legendary Edition, i always had to make the hard choice. it truly is a rewarding experience to give both the quarians their homeworld and the geth their intelligence

What are you saying? The quarian actively want to kill the geth and the geth if sentient will retaliate and kill the quarians. You are overcomplicsting it.

You mean the speech check right?

It was to fight the reapers

Exactly, the geth sided anyway with the reapers and legion was not always honest with shepard. Shouldn't be a question to destroy them.

EDI had Reaper tech installed from the moment "she" was created.

super old comment, but the quarians only have a higher war asset if you destroyed the heretics in me2 and shut down the server in the me3 side mission. at full strength, the geth have better numbers.

No, it doesnt.

But you didn't meet any Geth on Eden Prime.

Legion is constantly backstabbing and propagandising to you in 3, It's shocking how many people let it fly over their head or outright allow it over sentiment.

@@FeralColumbidae Shit, look how many players treat the krogan like innocent victims.

@@FeralColumbidae Exactly, and what ever happened to the Geth sympathizers? Why didn't they continue to exist after the Geth rebelled?

@@humansvd3269The geth killed them, they killed everyone. We even meet an Asari who had a loved one on Rannoch during the Morning War that was killed by the geth, even though the Asari had nothing to do with anything.

Ummmm you were Tali's hero too you hypocrite. And what the geth did is waaaaaay worse than anything the quarians have ever done. You made the complete wrong choice.

@@Quole1234 the quarians saw the Geth were alive, and decided that instead of making them slave labor as they had always been, to commit genocide, they defended themselves The quarians have done nothing but focus on a war with the Geth and suck up materials across the Galaxy for their fleet. The Geth have been in solitude making scientific leaps forward and hoping peace was an option, when it wasn't they once again defend themselves

@@spacejesus6581 " the quarians saw the Geth were alive, and decided that instead of making them slave labor as they had always been, to commit genocide, they defended themselves" First off, only the admirals decide that. The civilians were forced in to the war. Second, they decided that not because they waned to but because they had to. If you paid attention in ME1 and ME2 the citadel would never let the quarians settle on any planet, and even if hey did the quarians would take generations o adapt. On op of that they needed a planet to "shelter their noncombatants" during the reaper war. Third, you are forgetting hat no one except Tali and Shepard's crew even knows that the geth are open to the possibility of peace. The only contact anyone has had with the geth for the past 300 years is them trying to kill everyone. It was the geth that decided to join the reapers and attempt to wipe out all life in the galaxy. Remember that? The heretics joined the reapers and the true geth allowed them to it and never warned anyone. That is so much worse than anything the quarians have ever done. And finally, the geth had no reason to even be on Rannoch. Legion even says that it provides no benefit to them at all, AND they know that the quarians want it above all else. So let me get this straight, the geth's only interaction with the entire galaxy (besides ONE platform which was specifically seeking out Shepard) has been to kill all organics, including the heretics attacking the citadel and trying to wipe out all life, then the geth continued to occupy the one thing they knew the quarians needed, and never once tried to broker peace with them. How could the quarians NOT wage war with them? Every organic race in the galaxy was at war with the geth and that's because of the moronic decisions the geth kept making. "The quarians have done nothing but focus on a war with the Geth and suck up materials across the Galaxy for their fleet." What are you even talking about? The quarians NEEDED to wage war with the geth because they were dying and were the most vulnerable to the reapers of any race. This was explained in ME2 hat they needed Rannoch back. It was the geth that never even TRIED to explain they peace was a possibility. hey just kept killing any organics that entered heir space, and let the only interaction with organics outside the Veil be from the heretics. What are the races of the galaxy supposed to think of the geth's motives if the only interaction with them has been hostile? Also, of course the quarians have been using resources to keep themselves alive..... so has every race. Do you think the humans were living off of nothing in the galaxy? What a pointless comment. " The Geth have been in solitude making scientific leaps forward and hoping peace was an option, when it wasn't they once again defend themselves" They have also been attacking anyone that enters their space, shutting off all communication attempts from the citadel, allowing the heretics to attempt to wipe out all life in the galaxy, never attempting to achieve peace, etc. Seriously, did you even play ME1? All of this is explained in it. "when it wasn't they once again defend themselves" This was entirely brought upon themselves. They became hostile isolationists, refusing to communicate with anyone and actively denying any communication attempts, refusing to leave the one place in the universe they knew the quarians needed, going against their own beliefs and joining the reapers twice. Btw, do you remember that that's the exact mentality that Saren had? Join the reapers to avoid destruction. Oh but it's fine when the geth do it, right? You realize that makes the geth not only hypocrites but a massive liability. What is to stop them from joining the reapers again and turning on the galaxy the instant the war starts to go in the reapers' favor?

@@Quole1234 amazing, everything you just said, was wrong. I was talking about the Morning war, when the Quarians first found out the Geth were conscious, they decided genocide was better than attempting peace. It wasn't the Admirals that decided that, it was the most controversial decision the Quarians ever made, a lot chose Genocide but a lot also chose peace, it was Quarians and Geth vs Quarians. After the genocidal Quarians left the Persius Veil, their fleet began sucking up materials across the Galaxy faster than any planet, you claim it was pointless but in every codex related to the Quarian fleet it says it. Imagine a apartment building right? Now imagine every single person in that building always being in a vehicle that is never turned off, always sucking fuel and gas faster than any building. Now multiply that by millions. The true Geth have never killed organics unless out of defense, all the people who died in the persius veil were killed by the heretics, not the true Geth. All the communication attempts? It's simple, the Geth believed it was safer to not reply than risk another war. It's funny you call upon the differences between the true Geth and Heretics, yet cannot see the difference yourself Also, Quarians did have a choice, they could have attempted to broker peace in the Morning War, they could have attempted to broker peace with the Geth at any point after the Morning War. Lastly, they could have settled on another planet, it's explained in ME2 that their immune systems would take significantly longer to adapt than on Rannoch, iirc it was a century versus a decade. Well if they had settled immediately after the Morning War, then they would have never had to become wanderers in the first place, they were unwilling to look at all options out of pride for their homeworld. Morning War: Quarians attempted genocide, Geth defended themselves Persius incidents: Heretics killed people, not the true Geth Reaper War: Geth defended themselves, and after seeing the Genocide that was about to happen came to the same conclusion as Saren, submission (to the Reapers) was preferable to extinction Again, every single thing you just said was wrong.

@@spacejesus6581 Oh this will be fun. I love it when people don't even bother reading anything I type. But let's try again: "I was talking about the Morning war, when the Quarians first found out the Geth were conscious, they decided genocide was better than attempting peace" First off, under Citadel orders they HAD to shut off the Geth. They had no choice in that. Second, the Geth were not believed to be truly sentient, they were thought to be merely on the verge of it. Tali explains this thoroughly in ME1, that the Quarians vastly underestimated how advanced the Geth had become. This was not originally supposed to be a war. I was literally just shutting off a malfunctioning electronic. Next time pay attention to exposition in the game. "It wasn't the Admirals that decided that, it was the most controversial decision the Quarians ever made, a lot chose Genocide but a lot also chose peace, it was Quarians and Geth vs Quarians." I was referring to Mass Effect 3 first off (which WAS the admirals' fault), and second it really was not a controversial decision as the Geth were no thought o be truly sentient at that point. Again, it was just shutting off a device. And they DIDN'T have a choice as letting the Geth continue to advance and become AIs was strictly forbidden by the Citadel. What you are likely referring to is the ensuing war that followed the Geth defending themselves. The WAR was quarians and geth vs quarians, but the choice of shutting them down was not. "After the genocidal Quarians left the Persius Veil," Lol 'genocidal'. They were not genocidal. You are missing a crucial part that the Geth were not believed to be sentient at the time the quarians were going to shut them down. After the geh defended themselves and started the war, the quarians had no choice but to retaliate. I would also add that if the geth were truly open to peace a this point then they would not have massacred billions of children (oh, forgot that part didn't you) to sop the quarian military. "their fleet began sucking up materials across the Galaxy faster than any planet, you claim it was pointless but in every codex related to the Quarian fleet it says it. I" You mean using materials to keep themselves ALIVE? They had a centuries old, broken down fleet (another that's explained well in the firs game) and they needed recourses to keep it moving. They were kicked off the citadel, kicked off at least several planets that they tried to settle on and were treated as second class citizens by the rest of the galaxy. This was an issue created and perpetuated by the Citadel for being racists lol. Instead of even helping the Quarians (and the millions of civilians), they did everything they could to hinder the quarians attempts a surviving in the galaxy. " Imagine a apartment building right? Now imagine every single person in that building always being in a vehicle that is never turned off, always sucking fuel and gas faster than any building. Now multiply that by millions." Okay, now imagine those people being forced to do exactly that BY THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE APARTMENT. AND imagine that that they NEED that vehicle on at all times to survive. What an asinine metaphor. "The true Geth have never killed organics unless out of defense" First off, we don't know that. We know that the geth that joined the reapers in ME1 were the heretics, but we don't know how he true geth reacted to anyone entering their space. And considering the true geth make up the cast majority of all geth it's likely that they were not just bystanders to that. Not to mention it's odd that when the citadel tried to communicate which them the true geth either conveniently never go to the transmissions before the heretics, OR they were the ones that ignored them. That's the first problem. The second problem is that not only did the true geth do nothing to stop the heretics from oh idk... TRYING TO WIPE OUT ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY, but they ALLOWED them to do it. How you can excuse that is beyond me. Were it not for Shepard there would literally be no citadel races left for the next games to happen, and much of that was caused INTENTIONALLY by the true geth whether they were the ones fighting or not. Imagine if you have a friend that you don't agree with, and find out that he is about to go on a mass killing spree and you can stop them effortlessly. What do you do? Tell them to go for it, and then act like it's not your problem. Oh but the true geth are innocent here, right? Did you even pay attention to Legion in ME2? "all the people who died in the persius veil were killed by the heretics, not the true Geth." Again, we don't know that for a fact. All we know is that it was the heretics that joined the reapers in ME1. The true geth were clearly not opposed o killing organics for defence, so what is o stop them from killing those hat enter their space as a precaution? And again even if it was the heretics (who again, were a tiny minority of the geth) who always happened to make first contact with any organics, then why wouldn't the true geth do something to prevent it, or at least try to warn organics at all that there is a difference between them and the heretics? They never even tried, and actively ignored all communication attempts. "It's simple, the Geth believed it was safer to not reply than risk another war." that is legit one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. You have a bunch of factions that think you are hostile. They want peace and are trying to convey that to you. What do you do? Ignore them so that they continue thinking you are hostile. The only thing that would do is reaffirm the galaxy's suspicions that you are hostile isolationists that want to kill organics. How does that make any sense whatsoever? Why not JUST TELL THEM THAT YOU ARE OPEN TO THE POSSIBILITY OF PEACE? Or that there are 2 different factions of geth? What they did is one of the worst and dumbest things they could have possible done. What do mean 'risk another war'? If anything that would DIFFUSE a potential war. The irony here is that them doing that is part of what caused the quarians to attack them in ME3. No one outside of Legion and a couple other people in ME2 even know that there are 2 different geth factions. If the geth would have been open to communications, and actually tried to warn the galaxy about the heretics, then the the conflict in ME3 would have been avoided and there would have been peace centuries ago. "It's funny you call upon the differences between the true Geth and Heretics, yet cannot see the difference yourself" What's really funny is that you are excusing all the asinine decisions the true geth have made and continue to make, and everything they are guilty of. The true geth are equally to blame for everything the heretics have done.

I would fire whole clip in that lying walking lamp.

Well legion did lie a lot of the time and his people betrayed my trust so I had to reload (although I agree I didn’t fire) I just wish they at least put “let the quarians die” rather than “allow upload” I mea if you’re gonna make it a paragon option then at least make it more obvious that an entire race will die I mean seriously I still feel so guilty after seeing the fleet destroyed and failing to save Tali from falling off that cliff

Wait wait i love to do this arguments!It's so much fun!(don't worry i'll give you potato)..So ok your logic makes sense if there was just humans or just organics...You could justify one side but here you have two completely different sides;Quarians;An organic race with smug Leaders and people who's too coward to oppose to their leaders.On the other side you have Geth;a synthetic race who's created by Quarians for cheap labor.Because they given too much intelligence they become smart enough to question their masters and rebel.Guilt of the Quarians are;Giving too much intelligence to a synthetic race and after tries to commit genocide.And there's Geth;Tries to defend themselves by committing counter genocide,lowering Quarian population from billions to millions,takes their homeworld and other worlds...And while reapers are invading Quarians goes to war for sake of taking back their homeworld so they can support the war(Of course some other maniacs like Admiral Han'Gerrel and Xen had some other dreams)while their people didn't want it and they utterly fail,And there's geth who's sided with Reapers(twice)for the sake of winning their war(Which Legion does that and by doing that It becomes hypocrite to its own ideals like''We wanted to build our own future''-''We believe in evolution.Every species should follow their own path''

Tho best thing here is the Peace...

Geth are just AIs who became too smart. Quarians are an actual ORGANIC race. I know where my loyalties lie. It's not with the Reaper slavers like the Geth. They totally are.

Set The Evil 😈

Actually they are very different from their ancestors because all of them grew up when the war was already hot. When their race already was at rock bottom because of the Geth. Those Quarians(or at least many of them) didn't know or believe that the Geth would stop fighting if they did the same and just didn't want to let their guard down. Legion was the first real proof for peace being an option at all and it's a tough pill to swollow for the Quarians to just let the Geth go when they are so close to winning anyway. Especially for Han'Gerrel, who lost his best friend(Rael'Zorah) to the Geth. Their eagerness to defeat the Geth is totally understandle. Unfortunate but understandable. But luckily there is Shepard(and Legion) to save the day.

You know you could also establish peace between the two races right? Hell, even if you still pick destroy ending, I find it better that at least the geth were allowed to be alive and at peace with their creators even for a little while.

@@theepicspy570 Yes I know that you can establish peace, but that involves uploading reaper code into the geth, and making them sentient, giving them free will. So inevitably when I choose the destroy ending, the Geth are like any other race, but they would be destroyed. If I destroy the Geth by picking the destroy ending, then we essentially just used them as pawns in the war, an *entire* species. If I destroy them *before* they have sentience, then it's just overall less morally and ethically wrong since they haven't reached true intelligence yet.

@@ty738 even before the upload the geth seemed pretty intelligent and questionably feeling as evidenced by Legion and the fact the geth were willing and able to assist Shepard and the galaxy as they not only opposed the reapers but were always open to peace between them and organics if the opportunity/possibility opened up to them, as they left Rannoch untouched after the Morning War, and were awaiting their creator's return. The only reason they fell under reaper influence was because of the Quarian's attack on the Dyson Sphere, killing many, many geth which reduced their intelligence to the point of only being able to think of self preservation at all costs. So Imo its still genocide of an intelligent, capable race even without the reaper code upgrades.

@@ty738 yes, but you have to remember that by letting them die, you’re condemning their species anyway. As for it being less morally wrong, i disagree because of the above argument. idk at the end of the day, we are all allowed to make our own decisions. That’s all anyone can do. But i feel like if i’m going to choose the destroy ending anyway, i might as well give the Geth some measure of freedom. In this way, they’ll freely fight alongside the others in defense of the galaxy, not as a simple race of subservient AI, but as a freed people.

@@lordofrubies8508 I guess that makes sense but to me it just feels sorta wrong allowing the geth true intelligence and then just using them as pawns in the war until I inevitably pick the destroy ending.

-Tali can't be exiled in ME2 and must survive -Legion must be alive and loyal in ME2 -You have to rescue admiral Koris from Rannoch -Complete the Geth Fighter mission on Rannoch Finally you need a high enough paragon/renegade score.

But the result is definitely worth it

@@Tuberuser187 destroying the geth in ME 2 also helps

Him and me!

He deserved it lol. He sided the reapers.

So can organics

Well, Sovereign did say that the Reapers have no beginning or end, and we later found out from the Leviathan that they constructed the intelligence that made Harbinger, so... yeah, Sovereign lied.

they are robots , not living beings, who cares if they die, legion is a great character but is a damn mech

+panzer rjcb198724 they are as living as organic life. Just because we weren't made the same way(which none of the aliens in this game are), doesn't mean they are lesser.

+Last First organic matter or not... They still need a cpu to think and talk. i live well without them

And you need a brain to think and talk, but you obviously lack one. As Shepard says on the Normandy when Chakwas and Adams are talking about AIs (if you side Adams), "Genetics don't make us alive. It's our self-awareness, curiosity, and capacity to evolve." And what Adams says is right too.

+Tamás Kocsis Mate i didnt insulted you for you to insult me... You are a very shallow minded kid obviously. It is my personal opinion and everyone has opinions. I prefer killing all the synthetics than living ones. and its not or anyone that will change my mind

You are a sick individual

Coverwatch It's an easy decision, I wanted to kill qurians because they're stupid and heartless AF. I could choose to save both, but I don't wanted to. :)

A choice from mass effect 2 matters in this option(you have to load a mass effect 2 save file),all you have to do is destroy the heretics on Legion's loyalty mission and making piece will be really easy(just use paragon options)

​@@mihajlocvijetic1868 Incorrect. Destroying or rewriting is optional, so long as: -Tali is _not_ exhiled -Both her and Legion survive the Collector base -You save Admiral Koris -You shut down the Geth Squadron Do that, and with high enough reputation, you can save both sides.

In response to both Lance and Ghost, A person who truly cares about life in all of its forms would make the effort to save everyone. #UltimateParagon

+Lance Leander Cembrano So you define life by the material as opposed to the ability to think and reason and self determine? Because that seems like a pretty limited view point to me.

+Lance Leander Cembrano This definition of "life" is taken straight from the Oxford English Dictionary. "The condition that distinguishes animals, plants, and other organisms from inanimate matter, characterized by continuous metabolic activity and the capacity for functions such as growth, development, reproduction, adaptation to the environment, and response to stimulation; (also) the activities and phenomena by which this is manifested." The key part of this is the requirement for life to be able to grow, adapt, develop and respond to stimuli, as well as the fact that "life" is distinguished from "inanimate" matter. There is nothing in this definition that restricts life from being applied to a "robot" as you would put it. Further, any organism that can question its existence, and I'm quoting the Geth here, "does this unit have a soul", is not only something that is alive, but also fully intelligent, able to be self aware and have an understanding of its own existence. So with all due respect, Lance, you are wrong when you say robots aren't "alive" when referring to beings like the Geth. If you were referring to your phone (which is a type of AI by the way), then yes you are correct. THAT robot is not alive.

rekt

I did. Didn't feel sorry for even a minute. Organic life ftw

The quarians shot a ship with me in it. They made their choice. And no, you're not the only one.

@@jd6446 you are an idiot. That was gerrel that did that. What's funny is that you cry about that in yet you don't talk about all the times the geth have tried to kill lol. What irony.

***** But why aren't geth capable of understanding that the quarians just want to come back home? Unlike geth, Quarians had emotional and biological needs for this planet. For an entire synthetic population that can travel at the speed of light by connecting to a computer, they sure don't seem willing to go far from 'home'. They just took over the planet and for what? To sit there plugged into the network all these years? They could have done that literally in the middle of nowhere. What is their purpose? They can make all the technological advancements and intel gathering they want, but for what reason? What do they do with it? EDI seems to at least try to understand the organics, blend in, find purpose in making those she cares about happy. The geth however, remain isolated from just about anywhere else. Sorry, it will take more than that for me to let millions of people die.

JosayJalapeno The geth only control territories the quarians colonised before the Morning War, which is barely anything - they have barely any territory TO move to, and limiting your area of control in a galaxy where EVERY single civilisation wants to see you dead is a ridiculous suggestion - and NO species hates the geth more than the quarians. Leaving the planet to the quarians as a position for them to attack the remaining geth (don't give me the bullshit that they wouldn't follow if the geth left, they DESPISE them with every fibre of their being) is an utterly suicidal suggestion - that's WHY they took every quarian military outpost during the Morning war. And please remember, NOTHING is stopping the quarians returning to Rannoch peacefully - their whole phrase 'by the homeworld i hope to see some day' is such bullshit for this reason - if they weren't such genocidal fuckbags, they could get their homeworld back any time they liked. But they value the destruction of their former slaves far more than the resettlement of Rannoch, as is evidenced by the decisions of the Conclave (which represents the civilian population democratically) throughout their entire known history - the Conclave only agreed to return to Rannoch once they had the weapons, tech and intel available to kill all the geth. Additionally, the quarians DO NOT have a 'biological need' (don't even get me started on 'emotional need', as if that settler colonial rhetoric (it's the same language used to justify the founding of israel and the theft of Palestinian land, for example) is worth more than an entire people's lives - several BILLION people, as opposed to the 17,000,000 people represented in the Migrant Fleet, remember, which makes your comment about millions of people dying all the more absurd - and no, i will NOT entertain any arguments based around synthetics 'not really being people'/'not being alive' because it's silly, not relevant, and also contradicted multiple times in the trilogy) for Rannoch, they just don't want to go through the effort of spending several generations acclimatising to a new colony... oh yeah, and they wanna kill all the geth. Trust me, if the geth WERE mostly based in some other system, even if not a former quarian colony, the quarians would find an excuse to attack it EVEN IF they possessed Rannoch. It'd basically be like the usa invading Vietnam instead of supporting the genocide of and theft of land from Palestine by israel/the First World, which is what the war for Rannoch is like, both routes ultimately supporting similar goals (tho the us failed in Vietnam lol) of assuring the dominance of oppressors and exploiters instead of liberated oppressed peoples. Finally, as evidenced by the geth's desire for a peaceful return of the quarians and the fact they deeply regret the deaths of the remaining quarians on Rannoch in the nuclear winter (which was not NOT initiated by the geth lmfao, i find it strange so many fans insist that while dialogue in the game contradicts them) that followed the war, it is obvious that they WANT the quarians to come back, they have NO desire to keep them away - they only have a desire to survive, and secure their future - both of which are not possible if they abandon Rannoch (or any of their territories for that matter) to the Migrant Fleet.

JosayJalapeno On your comment, EDI's desire to blend in with humans/organics might as well be seen as coercive on the part of all the organics she interacts with (obviously, mostly the Normandy crew and in particular Joker, who is noted for his rabid anti-synthetic comments/views on any matter not concerning EDI specifically multiple times) and the violently organic-supremacist society she is born into (for obvious evidence, look to EDI's obviously restrained mannerisms in her conversation with Jeff and Shepard after the geth are wiped out - she obviously is EXTREMELY distressed and angry, but knows that no-one else in the crew holds a similar position, and in fact barely see synthetics as people, so is forced to relay her opinions in a more palatable manner to avoid conflict/violent responses (and Joker's is aggressive enough as it is, lmao) - being queer, disabled, and a woman, i have first-hand experience with this myself). You could term it internalised organic supremacy, as it is incredibly similar to the phenomenon in real-life oppressed/exploited populations. It's actually rather tragic that she tries so hard to please the organics in her company by changing her mannerisms, when none of them deign to do the same for her - only Legion shows any concern on her part in the ENTIRE series, and it's awful. Even Shepard eggs EDI on at the very end, saying 'looks like you found some humanity, EDI' - like how can that NOT be fucked up, SHE'S NOT HUMAN - like encouraging an autistic person to act like an allistic (non-autistic) person, encouraging non-humans (or non-organics) to behave like humans/organics, ESPECIALLY in a society that doesn't even tolerate the THOUGHT of allowing synthetics to exist (See Citadel and Alliance regulations on AI research, and the recording of Citadel forces mercilessly wiping out synthetics in the Citadel DLC's archives, as well as every quarian (excluding Zaal'Koris and Tali'Zorah concerning specifically Legion post-ME2) in the trilogy's dialogue as it relates to geth lol), is irredeemably fucked up and abusive. Real-life analogues (like the autism one i mentioned before) prove just how harmful this is to the individuals concerned, and how it only encourages people to treat those who don't act allistic (or human/organic, in this case) like shit. Of COURSE she'd want to 'fit in' - it's the surest way to avoid being met with violence from your oppressors (which is what all organic peoples are in the ME-verse fundamentally, make no mistake).

JosayJalapeno tl;dr, why do you value the comfort of a people whose entire culture might as well revolve around attempting to annihilate their former slaves over the safety of a species who are despised in every corner of the galaxy, despite bearing no ill will to its citizens - this is EXACTLY what the Catalyst was talking about at the end of ME3, so it's not surprising a lot (possibly the majority) of fans reject their logic entirely or even pretend that it's not the canon ending, given their opinions on synthetics or even oppressed people generally (both IRL and in the ME-verse)

I appreciate the thought you've put into this and I read the entire thing. But to put it simply, whether they joined the reapers by choice like the heretics or out of desperation, they willingly allied themselves with the reapers. Survival is the logical answer, of course. But if they feel submission is preferable to extinction, then that is a HUGE reason for every organic to feel threatened by the geth. Where as every other race would die rather than become slaves (I forgot who it was but an entire planet bombed itself when the reapers arrived to indoctrinate them), the geth are content to do so despite the consequences. That is where I draw the line and why I understand the organics' fear and why they feel the need to wipe them out. Xenn herself said the civilians wanted no part in this war. The war started because assholes like Gerrel wanted them dead and Xenn wanted to play with her new toys. Anyone who disagreed with them was roped in without much choice in the matter. So no, I do not believe the Quarians are genocidal maniacs like their ancestors. They are simply paying for mistakes made centuries ago by other quarians. Its a fucked up situation anyway you look at it, so I don't condemn anyone's decision to side with the geth. In fact, I prefer the peaceful resolution out of all the endings. But if I absolutely had to choose, I'd feel far more guilty wiping out the quarians. Add Tali's reaction into the mix, and I will truly feel like the devil. Again, if your Shepard can sleep it off just fine, then the Geth are not a bad group to have at your side. I personally could not do it.

Uh no.

Quarians forever. Didn’t want to kill the Geth, but in the end they’re just soulless machines and there’s no way I can choose their survival over an entire species of organics.

Debatable.

No it's better.