My father fought at the Bulge and Remagen. As the Allies crossed into Germany, he said regular German Army troops would surrender by the 100’s and one or two GI’s would escort prisoners to the rear without difficulty. But fanatics in the SS would fight to the death and were shot on sight by GIs.
Italo 1 : Who cares? The Axis countries started the war, committed atrocities, and were met by the allies who knew they were fighting for keeps! Did Americans kill enemy prisoners? Yes. Did the Germans kill millions of men, women, children, and soldiers? Yes!
@@oldguysrock2170 no one ask about how many German soldier kill people that day because it's pretty obvious they killed many people Why would someone ask that question?
Dr Schnaps : Not propaganda. American history teaches how 200,000 German civilians were killed in Dresden during American bombing missions to destroy German industry. Americans killed 250,000 Japanese at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In doing so, WW2 was shortened, victory obtained, and loss of American lives reduced. WW2 was a war being fought for keeps. Tech did not exist for precision pin point air strikes. Not American propaganda. American history.
The SS commander beat a war crimes trial even though it was proven he had orders NOT to take POW's, but to execute them, so the Germans would not be tied down handling them. Years later, he was found dead in his apartment where a fire had been set. The examination concluded he was strangled by person or persons unknown. This was not the only execution of American GI;s by Germans during the Battle of the Bulge. A back artillery unit was captured and also executed.
@George Lynch The terrorist organizations are doing a little bit more killing like the suicide bombings and mass shootings and stuff here let me link you a good song about this, m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KzQd75-7mEU.html also the original comment was aimed at somehow me and the rest of the people here are making Germany look bad when we aren't.
The true story is far worse, but I believe this is based off the malmedy massacare. In that massacare, the soldiers didn’t fight back necessarily. Members of an artillery regiment were captured on their way into Belgium, They were lined up on the road by an SS platoon. I forget exact numbers, but the ss opened fire with machine guns, rifles, and other weapons, forcing the soldiers to run off into the woods to survive which they knew they would do. A lot of them died, with only a handful escaping into the woods beyond. This still doesn’t compare to the 36th SS’s activities
Americans got revenge we lined up German soldiers and shot them in the battle of the bulge war is hell also American Gi in the battle of the bulge and in Germany killed most of every SS German soldier they saw
wow - how brave. The LSSAH, Das Reich and Hitler Jugend would have slaughtered the US and allies in battle if they were playing on a level playing field - the most elite soldiers in the history of war had NO air cover at all - they'd been bounced around by Hitler from the eastern to western front, their soldier KIA % rate was appalling, they gave their lives. My Great Grand Father fought against the LSSAH in Greece, MANY Australian diggers were taken prisoner by the most elite of the elite the LSSAH - and I will NEVER ever forget how Pop told us as a family they were treated with respect, decency, and almost like the LSSAH revered the Diggers as their reputations from the Great War and Second World War were held in such high esteem. What you have here is facts, evidence, context - one US soldier cost his mates their lives by being a whimpering pussy, NOT a soldier, not a man, and ran, and it was an AMERICAN GI who pulled the trigger first - this is what triggered the events in Malmedy. But hey - let's just pile on those evil Waffen SS soldiers - the SS compromised MANY different elements - the Waffen [armed] SS were NOT responsible for concentration camps or mass killings. And the US DID kill surrendering Waffen and general German armed forces soldiers. Shit happens - that's war. Absolutionists are so irrelevant.@@TRUMP2024-m1y
additionally, ironically around halfway into the war the Waffen SS had suffered so many casualties that they moved from a volunteer faction into having regular "forced" conscripts, so towards the end of the war about half of the Waffen SS were regular conscripted men, same as the army. @@B.T.R.-sj4if
@@B.T.R.-sj4if You base the events of the Malmedy massacre off this dramatized movie? No, the American GI was not the one who pulled the trigger first. If *any* soldier, regardless of nation or standing, were to be so utterly incompetent to the point that a P.O.W. is able to unarm them and then kill them, then they are not - in any way shape or form - deserving of any sort of respect. To hell with if they were American, German, Russian, Japanese, Italian, French, English, Australian, Chinese, or any other damn nation, such a conduct is one unworthy of being given the respect of being buried. You do your Great-Grandfather a disservice for comparing him to the defeatist conscript that allowed himself such a shameful display. Read a book on the event by historians instead, because films are meant to be dramatic and most directors play incompetently with the historical topics that they cover. I needn't spell out further *why* that is an issue for the topic at hand. You also seem to want to wash away the sins of the Waffen SS by stating that they did not commit any sorts of concentration camps or mass killings. The former may be true, as you may argue that the administrative component held the blame there, but the latter is undeniably false. The simple existence of the Einsatzgruppen is enough to rebuke any claim that the Waffen SS had no involvement in the mass killings that happened anywhere during the war. Yes, soldiers killing other soldiers happens, even when one side has already surrendered. But the mass killings of civilians is rarely something any soldier is often ordered to do, enough so that such events are often recorded in history books. Babi Yar still is a monument to the sins of that even the common soldiers were capable of invoking while that God-forsaken regime dragged the entirety of Germany down with it. Be not unrepentant for the sins committed, lest they be returned tenfold upon thyself.
There were also a lot of executions of Wehrmacht soldiers. by Americans, already in Normandy. As usual, the Germans are portrayed as the bad ones. The real story was sometimes completely different
Trying to play the “le moral high ground” card in the deadliest war in human history makes you look like a coping retard. Of course both sides committed atrocities against each other, but at the end of the day the allies won so Womp Womp.
Before these events in Malmedy, the Americans shot captured German soldiers, when the Americans received an answer in the form of Malmedy, the Americans cried out hypocritically.
@@darylchristophermercado9583 Biscari massacre, the Laconia incident. lol, you and the Brits are used to seeing yourselves as only good. And that's not to mention the many other targeted bombing(killing) of German civilians.
@@darylchristophermercado9583 Wrote a western pig who cries about the pig massacre in malmedy lol. In Poland? another propaganda, slanderous nonsense. How many Poles did our Luftwaffe kill? a billion? two billion? You literally sound as infantile as a child :). "ohhh you bombed poland", it was military targets that were bombed. You actually drove all the Japanese into concentration camps. And you aggressively attacked the Spanish when they were weak and you took over the Philippines and Puerto Rico from them. Soon your population in North America will shrink even more and you'll die in your stupid Germanophobia. I hope the Democrats or the weak Republicans win. To make things even worse for you.
2:34 some people will say this is a war crime but the guy tried to run and one of the Americans stole the rifle from the German soldier and shot him so it’s not a war crime
@@backdraft57 At that point they had already surrendered previously and then initiated a riot, so it was fair game by the laws of war because he was technically still an enemy combatant
My Uncle was with the 84th infantry division . He fault in the Bulge. He said the Germans smelt like sweat soaked leather and tobacco. Said the water in their canteen would freeze too. Also had to piss on their rifle bolts to un freeze them .
totally inaccurate, not 1 American soldier ran, of the 85, 28 survived the initial MG fire, 20 were executed with headshots, 8 survived by playing dead, it's common knowledge, survivor interviews on RU-vid
At D-Day and the battle for Normandy the "Allies" did this all the time. Unfortunattly: history is always written by the victors (and re-written). No one ever asky the victors if they told the truth...(and no they did not)
Especially the American paras shot prisoners, no way to look after them so a bullet was the order of the day, poor people on both sides? But hey that's war for you
@@drschnaps8081 Which is disgusting, history should be exactly what happened, not the uncomfortable truths that are ignored for what ever reason? I want to know what happened and whether its uncomfortable or not i want to know the facts?
WW is full of all possible Sins. Nobody is perfect. Wrongs have happened at both sides. Soldiers short of reinforcement, rations .. often found doing that. Soldiers at both sides were frustrated during the war as no body was sure which side will give up, when the war would end.
oh I am so sick of this cliche, almost as lame as "war is bad" In my history classes [& government] I have a set of classic scales - in this case we will put the US & GB on one side, Nazi Germany & Fascist Japan on the other.... you know who is going to bottom out on bad & evil. Study the post Cold War report on Dresden - it is not Vonnegut's lie. The atomic bombs saved the lives of many millions of Japanese - do you think the IJA was going to share their meager rations with the young, handicapped, elderly?
The movie apparently doesn’t care about accuracy. Their was no snow on the ground, only mud. It was about 40 degrees. The one soldier has a screaming eagle patch but no American airborne were their. In the movie the soldiers fought some of the guards. Nope, not true. In the movie when The shooting starts, the soldiers run. Nope, not true either. When the shooting started they all went down where they stood with many of them playing dead. This was the horrible massacre and should’ve been given the accuracy that it deserves.
Jack. I used to live in the Ardennes region. The massacre happened on December 17th 1944 and a lot of pictures by war correspondents were taken on January 15th 1945. Between those two dates (one month) there were many days of snow. Actually it was one of the worst winter in the area for a long time. Not only the bodies were left on the site all that time for the journalists to report about it... local witness testified that some of the bodies where so scattered and far that for the convenience of the photographer they were brought in together as being killed with the main group. That's how the total of 84 was reached. I just put another comment on this page that you may find interesting for the historical point of view...
Well when Hollywood can make the movie 'The Great Escape' and make an American the hero of it you know accuracy was never important to Hollywood. There were no Americans involved in the actual great escape.
They even went in after and bashed the skulls in and cut their eyes out and other horrible things to the soldiers . The officers told the soldiers to ‘stand fast ‘ when the shooting started , no body ran .
The problem you’ve got with this sort of thing besides that the Americans did this to people too was that it was a logistical nightmare during the battle of the bulge to ferry prisoners back, especially if you had less troops or your troops were desperately needed elsewhere and with this incident in particular you’ve also got the fact that one attacked a soldier and fired a weapon and everyone else just dispersed as it kicked off, yet people expect the Germans not to open fire? It’s a tricky situation that people constantly blame the Germans for however the Americans did the same and sometimes worse to their prisoners
“It’s a tricky situation” No, no it isn’t. The SS gathered those prisoners together for the express purpose of committing a massacre; They were murdered in cold blood. This is not only roundly confirmed by survivor accounts, but was openly admitted to by the participants themselves in 1946. Neither was it an isolated incident, as the SS similarity massacred a group of 20 African-American soldiers on the same day, and about a 100 Belgian civilians not long afterwards. They were war criminals to a tee and should have been unanimously executed following the conclusion of the war. What you’re attempting to gain by defending a group of known murderers is beyond me.
@@fabioartoscassone9305 beh sarò anche una merda fascista ma rifletti prima di parlare se l'americano non avesse tolto l'arma al tedesco, nessuno sarebbe crepato
This did actually occur. The film based on a true story. After the war the Germans who committed this war crime faced a trial and most were sentenced to death by hanging. Only a few Americans actually survived by being able to escape through the forrest.
The trial did take place and 74 men convicted most served short prison terms Pieper being released 1956, present at the shooting were 2 tanks = 10 men & 2 half tracks = 16 men, the first shot was fired by Georg Fleps armed with a pistol, the Germans suffered no casualties unlike what is portrayed here
the story is like this. The allies looked out to link the Waffen-SS to war crimes to find a way to create an obvious fact to declare the Waffen-SS as a warcrime-unit. Further on every soldier which had been part of a war-crime-unit (here Waffen-SS) could be punished to whatever the fantasy would bring out. Joachim Peiper was a high decorated officer who worked before his Waffen-SS career for Himmler. Keep that all in mind! What happende really: The combat-group "Joachim Peiper": Joachim Peiper was leading his battle-group of king-tiger tanks around Malmedy when US-soldiers could be identified. After a small exchange of bullets and several dead US-Soldiers, the US-soldiers capitulate. Joachim Peiper, in one of the first tanks told the soldiers, to lay down their weapons and follow the tank line back to the german infantry, where they would be arrested, as he has neither the time nor the place to look after them inside the tanks. After this the tank-convoy headed forward to the front. BUT the US-soldiers didnt follow what Peiper sad. Once the tanks had been out of side they picked up their weapons AND the next german group arrived on the field thinking there is a bunch of enemies to kill. So killing went on. That was the killing of Malmedy, NOT a massacre of Malmedy. During the prozess in Dachau against members of Peiper-battle-group 98% had been tortured with the result of destoyed testies. That show, the americans have had no evidence of nothing for this so-called massacre and (as usual) they created affidativs and other evidence. Joachim Peiper had been released 10 years later due to "lack of evidence". But the point was already made. From this day on the Malmedy-massacre had been told all over the world, one of the key divisions of the Waffen-SS had been shown guilty, therefore ALL units and ALL soldiers of the Waffen-SS had been treated guilty. The world didnt notice, that Joachim Peiper had been released from prison due to "lack of evidence" => A JOKE !
I noted one of the Americans wore the Screaming Eagle patch of the 101st Airborne Division. Although they were at Bastogne, none were involved in this incident.
if this was the malmedy massacre, the g.I.s shot during that day came from an engineer unit, the 101 airborne was not yet committed at that time, they were transported by truck to bastogne, the town of malmedy is already in German hands by that time, though it was retaken by the Americans later
@Savage Peasant ; Yes, this was just another shitty thing the Americans did. The Massacre of Malmedy is known to everybody, but the shooting of German POWs on D-Day by the Americans is one thing nobody knows or the Rheinwiessenlager ( there is a video about this here on You Tube)....... Just change the term "Prisoner of War" in "Soldiers of the defeated German Empire" and you don't have to treat them according to the rules of the Geneva Convention......
Yeah some germans deserved what came to them after this massacre.. the kampfgruppe peiper went onto murder over a 100 belgian civilians including children most of the US incidents were incited by vengeance or retaliation after this and seeing the death camps, which is understandable. overall though just paints the picture of how fucked up war is really.
Four of Six, Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix 03 There’s no comparison between the two. War crimes committed by US forces were the product of individual soldiers or units and routinely condemned by Allied leadership. The Germans by contrast purposefully went out of their way to target civilians and surrendering soldiers. War crimes were not incidentals parts of the German experience during WW2: they were the purpose for which Germany fought.
After the SS killed Canadian prisoners of war during the Normandy Campaign, the Canadian troops sometimes did the same. One atrocity often leads to another.
@@simonyip5978 allies mostly killed POWs in revenge for another masscre. such as, Canadians were massacred, so the Canadians did the same, and the Malmedy, then the americans did the same
Historically stuff like this rarely happened between these two countries usually they were rather good to each other. Same can't be said for a lot of other countries Germany fought.
This is true, in the European War the only countries that were constantly brutal to the POWs was between The Reich and the Soviet Union. Glad someone else commented this
Your defending literal 1940s Germans, have you seen the aftermath of the camps? I have and it’s horrible, I’m of German and Italian decent, would I want the axis to have won? HELL NO, but people idolize the worst part of Germany and treat germans like gods just because we took a bunch of loans and never paid them back to bluster our army
@@CarlosD005 It isn't. It's written by historians. Franz Halder had free reign after ww2 to write about the history eastern front as he saw fit, for western readers to learn. We now have myths like the clean wehrmact still in circulation. This is literally the losers writing history
@@CarlosD005 how about Amarica? The Soviet Union was a horrible county, also what if you where Jewish? Are you blue eyed with blonde hair? If not than your less human in their eyes and can’t have kids nor Mary someone more human than you, you are not fighting for freedom, your fighting to take it away It’s sad you people have no loyalty to America, you need to refresh your knowledge in the camps because they where awful, so awful that if you knew the extent, you would never side with the axis again, Japan was also terrible and Italy had camps too, so did Romania hungry, and even finish supported the camps. Although Amarica ain’t half of what it used to be, you should definitely favor the USA over Germany, we could have won the entire war by ourselves, the Germans never stood a chance against us and the Japanese learned real quick just how tenacious we are.
@@CarlosD005 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-m2Gtq4uTZrA.htmlsi=qkRZfVr9f1-61wlH 47:45 is a scene that was made by survivors of the camps, it is believed to be one of the most accurate depictions of the camps to date
Damiao Ahmed They would’ve still gotten shot the Germans were ruthless just as so as us Americans and other allies but Germans didn’t really care with prisoners think about it even if they got sent to the camps majority of them would’ve died rather if the Germans were American prisoners majority would’ve had a second chance
@@shymusclenerd7038 Germans were ruthless? Source? Because as far as dealing with Western soldiers, 95% of POW's returned home, according to the ARC. Quite the opposite happened, the allies were brutal against Germans.
Hell nah he aint ok bruh whats wrong you he dead as fuck. Mans got fuckin shot snd shitted on like a fuckboi. He hella dead cause he dumb as fuck. I hope he aint ok he a bitch
the officer wouldn't just fire into the air this seems like it takes place in late 1944 and the soldiers would conserve as much ammo as they could because around this time they were told to fire in either short bursts or semi auto with the STG 44 even though he is using the MP 40 it is the same.
I like the Americans and the germans but not all were saints we just need to remember crimes were committed on both sides the same as kindness was shown on both sides it was a war that destroyed Europe there's no two ways about it it's a pity it happened and I feel sorry for al does men and women who had to go true it as I saw front line in a more modern time
@@bhello2534 yes the nazis started its in every history book ever documentary and every comedy the Germans started it or should I say Hitler started the war never the polish it never comes up about what was happening to the German living in Poland at the time which was backed by the polish government (wich i won't print because of kids) or that there was maps drawn up by the polish before the out break of war with the new border just west of Berlin the polish wanted a war just as bad as Germany because of what happened the first time round they saw it as an opportunity for a land grab and with England and France backing them they were confident it would be a walk true like every one else but u wouldn't read that in a history book or Discovery Channel over all its a bad time in human history of all involved and no matter who started it
Wonder if they will ever make a movie about america deliberately starving to death 1 million German pows after the war had finished, I'm thinking maybe when hell freezes over
@Billy Hunt Eisenhower (Eisenhauer=steel miner) hated Germans, and his criminal policy on POW's sent to their graves an estimated number of about 3 millions prisoners. No, such a movie will never be displayed.
Eisenhower was very upset about the concentration camps and the condition of the prisoners they found, so he asked what the minimum calories were to sustain a human life and that's what was given to the pow's. Consider that many got more than the minimum because of greed and possible gang pressure, who knows what went on the camps many died from malnutrition
@@alabamaart do you know why the prisoners in Germany were in such bad shape ? Because America keeped bombing supply lines, and its estimated only 200k died in german camps from malnutrition and disease not the 1mill in American camps ,and Eisenhower also had German prisoners massacred with machine guns so don't give me your bullshit )€₩ propaganda
@Art Chapman Eisenhower changed the status of German prisoners from POWs to DEFs, so he was not obliged to follow the GC and to accept the IRC in his death camps. And the calories needed to "sustain human life" were sent from Switzerland, the Germany's guarantor country by hundreds of train loads, which your "hero" sent back as "not needed". Their encirclement in barbed wires soon had the wanted results, meaning the death of about 3 million "DEFs". Fortunately General Patton was against it and sent quickly home his POWs. You are ill informed my friend.
This actually happened, not like this but during the Germans push through that part of the allied lines the SS rounded up a line of prisoners and had half tracks and a tiger/panzer gunner gun them all down
This was the action at Malmedy, Belgium, during the last great German push of the war during the winter of 1944-45. The SS were commanded by General Joachim Pieper who, after the war, was tried and convicted and served a short jail sentence. (Sound familiar, modern day America?) He moved to France and was later assassinated.
@@williamdean4101 i dont know if its over-politization that makes you stupid but i dont care , joachim piper was sentenced with 12 death sentences and multiple life in imprisionment sentences , it was just that later on they couldnt proove he gave the orders to shoot POWs plus heinz guderian "vouched" for him via the HIAG , hence in the end he got only 11 years in prision
Well they had "little" choice, it was their last big offensive in the west and they couldn't "afford" to be tied down with prisoners during the most crucial time of their attack.
One story my uncle told was when they got to the bulge they got dug in their potions and waited . Anyway they got attacked by the 116th panzer division near Manhay Belgium. He said they had this young soldier with them and he kept looking over the dug out and they keep telling him to stop any he did it again and they tried to grab him and the Germans shot his head off and he feel back in the dug out and they had to stay with his body for days . Horrible .
Why fight for the Rich people here now and across the world. They haven't and never care for the community of common societies. So why fight for them for false information about education and social hard work.????????.
From what I have read, the first shots were fired by a Rumanian Waffen-SS Panther gunner named (?) Rudolf Phleps, on the American soldiers who had been left unsupervised by the side of the Baugnez crossroads. It was posited that the Armoured column initially thought is had surprised a group of US troops - not POWs.
did yall forget shooting or idk, hurting a medic with a clear red cross isignia is like one of the heaviest war crimes. I dont think they would just do that
If it makes anyone feel any better, the US Army marched 1.7 million Wehrmacht soldiers to concentration camps, where they forced to simply sit in barbed wire areas until they died of starvation and/ or disease. Had to be done.
this event bit the Germans in the ass, again, as they lost this battle, US troops stopped taking SS prisoners. it was already going on with the Canadian Army... the SS shot dozens of their Canadian POWs
What a sensation in Poland or Russia people was hang and shot every Day. Where is America when Europe is burning 5 years? Business Club betweem Germany and USA was important.Thank you Uncle Sam for Wake up and Save our life
