it was written as そこに in the original (which is very basic "over there", like ここに means "here"), not 底に, but it's true that it can be a pun. Oda does this kind of things from time to time. この世の全てをそこに置いてきた = I left everything in the world over there この世の全てを底に置いてきた = I left everything in the world at the bottom The reading is the same but the meaning is quite different. Nice find.
So did they teach you about how the Japanese used to rape and torture people and did things like starve people for weeks and then feed them a pound of dried rice then forced them to drink until they eventually exploded?
I think the silhouettes we see are just representing Vegapunk’s imagination in a vague way. He knows Joyboy had the Nika fruit powers like luffy and has read descriptions of it so after seeing Luffy he kind of just imagines someone who looks like Luffy in a vague silhouette.
One other thing I didn’t mention but ought to be considered is that we know Gear 5 Luffy can become Giant size… it could be that Joyboy was already. Buccaneer size person who used the fruit to become smaller. Why I can’t say. But again, to my above point, unless Vegapunk knows what race Joyboy was and so far nothing has implied that he does, he just thinks of someone approximate to Luffy in Gear 5.
But remember this recording was done before he found out or even saw luffy nika form. He recently found out during the ark. So for him to imagine joyboy like luffy is not possible. I think from the information he gathered. He knows what form joyboy was. In nika form. Thats why he recognized luffy's nika form immediately.
@@molokothabo2877 okay I see what you’re saying. Really thing just points to me how strange the paneling contexts can get in a manga like One Piece because while admit you’re right in the sense that the most consistent and direct answer is that this is Vegapunk imaging while he’s he’s recording which would entail the contradiction you’re pointing to about him not having seen Luffy yet at the time of the recording, it just never occurred to me because it’s not entirely intuitive to me to think of these panels as hypothetical integral thought or imagination flashbacks (or even literal flashback just obscured) WITHIN a recoded video (that can also be seen as a flashback of its own)
@@mobyhuge Not a plot hole, you just don't have imagination. The way the knock up stream works is only a speculation. It could have been a contraption by the ancient kingdom to put landmass on sky islands. Besides, below landmass is just solid earth until the magma. Lifting up from the bottom most is what doesn't make sense.
@@Kekejackel I'm just telling things how it is. Some people don't use their imagination when they can and assume things can't happen because they can't think (or rather don't bother to think) how it could happen. Sounds similar to the above comment? And why am I phrasing it this way? Because it's the exact same scenario with a bunch of people call things in One Piece retcon when they are not, simply because they can't imagine Oda planning major twists from that long ago despite One Piece being a mystery series. That's damn rude to the creator.
When Roger said that he was too early to claim the One Piece, he may have realised that the only way to access it was to drain the oceans of the world because it would be inaccessible otherwise? He knew the seas were rising and that someone would come along to drain them and told the world that he left his treasure there to encourage people to find out the same truth for themselves.
The one peice is the continents forming into one again with buggy awakens devil fruit they will rejoin it into one peice uniting everyone or every race
This chapter has made me even more curious on how what happened in the void century shaped the deep sea currents. For awhile I've thought one of the biggest mysteries that no one talks about is how the One Piece world is even aware how long it takes for something that is caught in the deep sea currents to wash up again. Someone at some point after the One Piece world flooded had to measure this somehow, it's even more weird when you notice for them to understand how long it takes for something to wash up after being caught in the deep sea currents that they must of existed pre-void century. Also if you think about it a world tour with the Noah to save humanity could be possible using the deep sea currents as a faster means of transportation. This also raises the question if maybe the deep sea currents were created in the ancient times to allow for faster transportation for the Noah or something else.
Wow everything makes sense now. I always wondered how it's possible that countries and Islands did not have Histories and they did not have any proof of their past i realised that the world government eradicated everyone and books of who knew and could pass on their history so the water level Rose and covered everything and every proof and since nobody was allowed to talk about 100 years anyone who knew anything before that
the wind waker comparison blew my mind because in a way, link in that game had no connection to link’s of the past and proved himself into that legend, kinda like luffy did
😂😂😂 After all, the allied force did win and is now a world government ( in a way) with around 195+- countries and its own international court. It is ruled by the security council which has FIVE permanent members. As it is our seas are rising due to global warming,, THE ONE PIECE IS REAL.
Japan has been permanently scared by WWII. From Godzilla to multiple manga and anime depicting huge explosions with mushroom clouds. Naruto and the Tailed Beast are prime examples. Every nation wants a Tailed Beast with every nation in fear of the destruction a Tailed Beast could cause if unleashed. I wonder if Oda calling the 20 kingdoms allied nations was intentional or subconscious. Impel Down has clear Nazi Germany undertones, so perhaps Oda put much thought into how he is going to describe this conflict.
What if the moon people are just robots that the ancient kingdom made and not a real people or civilization since the ancient kingdom is a very advance kingdom.
What if the previous joyboy was a giant? Instead of stretching and blowing up to become bigger. The first joyboy used compression to shrink to make his muscles and bones denser instead. Luffy did shrink in the series in impel downs.
And so far, the idea of a 'giant who shrinks' has been used twice in One Piece but *neither time* was canon - one was a video game, the other was an anime-only movie tie-in arc. It feels like surely Oda would have used this idea by now for himself on some minor character if he didn't have a plan for it.
ohhhh that's a clever way to think about it- which also totally makes sense from the "goofy" standpoint of gear 5. Luffy - a normal human - wonders how it would feel like to be a giant and becomes one. Joyboy - a giant - wonders how it would feel like to be a normal human and becomes one.
@@klettari Also, I believe the Ancient "Weapon" that Imu controls to be the equivalient of a "Knock Down Stream," with the likely counter terraforming tool to be capable of creating Knock Up Streams, and beneath Wano.
The last part about Rodger leaving the one piece underwater would make sense as to why rodgers treasure in One Piece Stampede was underwater at the beginning. Oda leaving a sneaky hint.
I don’t know about you guys but I think the void century never happened. It’s happening right now. The current story of One Piece is the Void Century. Luffy is not Joyboy but instead Joyboy is Luffy. Some with call him Joyboy in place like Wano, others will call him Nika the sun god in Elbaf. Joyboy who sent a letter to the Mermaid princess that he couldn’t accomplish his promise is literally the promise Luffy made to Shirahoshi. The evil King who was torturing the small people from Dressrosa and enslaved them was Simply Doflamingo. When Roger laughed when he discovered the One Piece who else makes us laugh as much that clown Luffy? Remember Roget said he wish he was born in the same era. We don’t know if he meant the past or the future. Also Shanks, Crocus and Rayleigh also said Luffy was the One they were wait for, that the hat fit him so well. It’s quite simple that hat has always been Luffy’s. Momonosuke will learn to write the poneglyhs from his grandfather, Robin will help him and also create the Ohara kingdom, I think I will be Vivi who might acquire the devil fruit power to send the poneglyphs in the past. They sent them 900 years earlier to prepare for that we are living right now. In a funny way, Veganpunk could actually be the one who originally created the devil fruits or mother flames. He is simply not aware of it. I also think the reason there was no king on the throne of Marijoie is because the 20 Kings were aware of this and decided to avoid this war by swearing that no one should be on that throne but Imu managed to get a throne and tried to shape the future. Oda is simply telling the story comparable to the contemporary story of the world. Slavery was never abolished. Africans simply still live under neocolonial control, while the rest of the world literally lives off the resources and suffering. Marijoie is the current Israel where those celestial dragons or the “J people” of our world who consider pretty much themselves as gods have murdered and displaced millions of Palestinians and taken their land. Also the last war seem to be comparable to the American civil war to liberate slaves. There is a reason in the last government reverie the man who was hosting resembled Abraham Lincoln. Mother flame is probably the nuclear energy. Albert Einstein helped create nuclear power thinking it would end wars around the world since the main cause of them is always energy but instead the United States decided to create the nuclear bomb with it. Pretty much like like Imu using the mother flame to destroy entire islands, same way the US destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki simply to send a message to the rest of the world that they will destroy anyone who doesn’t yield. Same could also explain how the US has some weird loyalty for Israel (the celestial dragons) who seem to be out of touch and completely lunatic and delusion but some of those celestial dragons like the Shanks family are extremely powerful. Same way your have very powerful Js people in the US government, especially the Blackrock company, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Nulands, etc
@@EA-dweller Interesting theory but you went off the rails with your parallels to the world. There's also the question of why Zunesha wandering the planet if JoyBoy wasn't the one who sent him off.
In real world some people who have illegally occupied the lands of the previous owners claim that it's their,just like celestial dragons.However, there is a reversal, in the comments and people need to study history properly.
@@EA-dweller started off solid and then you went into political stuff yuck. No1 comes to anime channels to get reminded of real life. But the theory is solid
I think following basic logic it's safe to say while Joyboy had Nikas fruit, that does not equal a guarantee of being the first user. There's literally zero proof of that.
Archimedes's priciple. The Red Line came crashing down from space (maybe with awakened Fujitora's fruit?) and it raised the sea level by such a big amount.
This Story is incredible, now the existance of SKY Islands gains huge meaning. Also if Gorosei are this much more powerful then Strawhats, how strong is Imu itself? Also also what part of this history did Xebec playd, and i cannot wait for Blackbeard reaction to Vegapunk message. This is CRAZY!
@@johnny44937 maybe the ancient kingdom crafted a method which is the knock up stream! it could have been a contraption to put landmass on sky islands.
@@johnny44937 Even in Grand Line Sky Islands are considered as LEGEND, what also is? One Piece! Gol D Roger Said literally: " I've left everything down there" Which most people consider under the water now. But remember that he also said to Rayleigh "Do you want to flip the world upside down with me?" You know where this is going. By Odens flashback Laugh Tale is definetely NOT under the water. And wven as crazy as "New World" is, there are still ZERO Sky Island at all. What? Weatheria? Ballon Terminal? Punk Records? Clearly man-made. I think Laugh Tale is the very first Sky Island created, and both One Piece and Kingdom of Joy Boy are exactly there. P.S. Also i think what the end of Roger/Luffy misterious Quote is metaphore of "After i became Pirate King ill FLIP THE WORLD UPSIDE DOWN"
If the world before Uranus rose the sea level was a Pangea world with one big mega continent, then it makes sense there would be a legend of the All-Blue because the ocean would be one huge ocean in those days.
Everyone knows the Genesis flood story but there might be some inspiration for OP from the Book of Enoch. Its an unofficial Bible story derived from the Ethiopian version bible that goes more in depth on Noah's great-grandfather, Enoch. Very interesting and I see some similarities here. Tldr it basically tells the story of fallen angels who created the Nephilim (giants) and taught advanced technology to mankind which ultimately leads to the great flood. It connects almost directly to the Ancient Sumerian texts.
@@sengoku_fin From the way I understand it, it was less the technology specifically that caused the flood but it was how mankind used it that caused "the angels" to intervene.
Ive mentioned it before but Blackbeard now possesses both the power to destroy the red line and clean up the resulting mess. He's done evil things yet i cant help but wonder if he sees himself as an anti-hero(?), someone fighting for a righteous cause but using terrible means he justifies as necessary or the like because of this or that in his past or knowledge base. Seems fitting as a similar yet contrasting existence to our stories heroes, much like a sun and a moon.......eh 🤔🤔🤔 ? I believe he headed towards a direct parallel with Darth Vader, having lived life as a villian but dying as an imperfect hero.
You mistranslated the last part of Vegapunk's speech. He referred to the ancient weapons in the plural form. He used それら which is plural and said they're waiting to be activated again. Not one singular weapon.
21:25: Did he say "One of the Three Ancient Weapons" or just "Ancient weapons technology". Because there could have been more than three back in the day.
@@pxpx3577 I mean, that *would* explain how they lost the power source of this ancient weapon. Overusing it to the point of destroying the Mother Flame they were using to power it.
He mistranslated the last part of Vegapunk's speech. He referred to the ancient weapons in the plural form. He used それら which is plural and said they're waiting to be activated again. Not one singular weapon.
In the Spanish translation Roger says "Mi tesoro....Lo dejé todo allí, buscadlo si queréis. Ojalá se le ATRAGANTE al rufián que lo encuentre", that translates into "My treasure ....I left it all there, look for it if you want. I hope the ruffian who finds it will be CHOKED/DROWNED(Thrilled) [by the treasure]"
@Dionysos_____Alters the world is probably hollow and the ancient weapon is shooting air into the center, or a deeper layer, that is filled with water. As this area fills with air, water is forced up and floods the surface. Like pushing a balloon of air into a bin of water. Remove this air pocket and water levels drop.
@@jimbeam-ru1mynot necessarily, the Noah in one piece might not be the traditional Noah. We don’t know for certain but from what we do know, it appears like the Noah was built to bring fishmen to the surface not to survive a flood
@@zf8496 u must not be a true fan my brother in Christ her dream is to create the worlds first global map. With all the islands being connected now. We know her dream is completed along with finding the one piece or on the path before discovering it.
The biggest evidence of Laughtale being underwater is that both Buggy and Toki, the only two devil fruit users on roger's ship, have had a sudden illness that prevented them from continuing the journey to Laughtale.
As a geologist, I often think about the arrangements of the One Piece world... Maybe the Red Line is a mountain chain between two convergent tectonic plates (such as the Andes or the Hymalaians)... The islands perpendicular to it may be the results of shear zones along these directions? It is true that there are some anthropogenic extra-powers that affect the geology of the world (such as the Gura Gura no Mi, or the action of powerful swordsman), but seeing as Big Mom and Kaidou were sent to the mantle, I imagine that the basic functioning is similar to the ones we have here... Especially when we think about supercontinents (we had different ones, such as Rodinia and Pangea), the mechanisms of amalgamation of land masses is set by the mantle convection, and we do see Kaidou and Big Mom being slowly dragged by it...
Joyboy's silhouette definitely isn't an abstraction. There's some specific peculiarities like the holes in his feet and the really thin left upper arm.
The fact that there is emphasis on the fact that its unknown to vegapaunk what started this conflict makes me think that either joyboy wasnt entirelly good or a hero as many have implied or neither joyboy or the world government are evil and they are equally justified in their actions. Remember, at the end of the day the story revolves around pirates and we know that in reality pirates were never good. I personally think that oda is gonna surprise us with a massive plot twist.
1) Roger was executed in Loguetown 2) He said that "i left everything DOWN THERE" 3) Loguetown is near Reverse Mountain. Could it be that down there ment under Reverse Mountain? Being guarded by one of his crew (Crocus)
Theory, Uranus doesn't destroy islands, instead it's a matter transporter that reconstitutes the island matter into the red line. Removing an island should cause sea levels to lower not raise. How is it rising, because the matter taken wasn't filled, leaving the giant hole, but more matter was added to the red line, raising sea levels by displacing more water.
Here's a curveball: Could Uranus' shots have pushed the landmasses of entire continents towards each other, causing Red Line to rise and widen on a global scale? Consider Uranus' cannon. The power of this sea-splitting explosion cannot just enter the sea and "evaporate" in the bottom. It's been proven that the shot evaporates rock, so it definitely goes through the entire lithosphere all the way to the center of the planet, or at least to the astenosphere (the magma before the core). But such force does not just go away, it must traverse and equalize in some way. The tremors of the attack to Lulusia were felt globally, even atop the Red Line. Considering its shape, coincidentally Red Line happens to wrap the world much like rings of Saturn, just not gas but actual rock. Consider now how the Himalaya mountains were born - a massive collision between two continents, that flew on the magma currents of the astenosphere on a crash course. So: could Uranus' cannon disturb the magma flows of the astenosphere, or in some other way shift landmasses away from the striking point in a way that would push Red Line to grow? If we consider its thickness, even a small increase to it would easily increase the sea level by a meter's worth. That is not much distance on the scale of the whole world. Even an increase of millimeter or two could make this kind of shift happen. Could the shot of a "Mother Flame round" do this? Could the "flame" that was used in ancient times be so powerful that it'd instantly give rise to the massive Red Line mountain, violently pushing islands unto themselves, away from the epicentrum where Uranus would fire? The other option is that Uranus was as powerful in the olden days as it is now, and was just fired enough times to achieve the same result.
If giants live to 300 years old, ain’t it possible Jarul’s (and other giants) grandparents lived through the void century and told their stories directly to currently living characters?
Remember that shot in the first opening with the ships sailing in search for the one piece? Well, that was foreshadowing for everyone searching for even the tiniest single piece of land they could find
I think Joyboy's pose implies that he's a giant, or at least using his power's to gigantify himself like Luffy did, since his silhouette is in the same pose as Luffy's when he grabbed the lightning v Kaido.
This chapter has convinced me that Imu must have used the personality switching surgery to change with whoever the Uranus of 800 years ago was. We now can say with 100% certainty that Imu has Uranus, meaning that we now need to rethink a long standing theory, that theory being that the power of the ancient weapons is locked to one person. Shirahoshi is the only Posideon, and it seems Momonoske is the only person who could command Zuneisha to release Pluton. Now we know that the Ryugu and Kozuki families were allied with Joyboy, so it would make sense that whoever Uranus was would be allied with Joyboy as well. My pick is Nefeltari D. Lily, she was allied with Joyboy as she was responsible for the poneglyphs, and we know that she had something to do with the immense kingdom because the Elders refer to this kingdom as "The Kingdom of D." This explains a lot of things, why Crocodile and Robin believed that there was an ancient weapon in Alabasta, why Imu looks so similar to Lily, and why Imu wants to get a hold of Vivi. Imu would be scared that Vivi is the rebirth of this ancient power. Doflamingo had this very plan, he needed Law's fruit for both the perenial youth and the personality switching. He said these would help him get control of the secret treasure of Marijoa, it seems that Doflamingo told us this exact theory.
joyboy may not be the first user of the hito hito no mi as the buccaneers,giants and skypians talk about the ancient warrior called sun god nika with similar powers.
Sun God Nika was the IDEA/WISH from where the fruit originated. At some point in Ancient Kingdom's time, a technology was created which was able to conjure the wishes of people into fruits. At the start of the arc, Vegapunk hinted that "devil fruits incarnate people's wishes". Someone wished to be fire, someone wished to be darkness, someone wished to be the hero from his favourite comic book: the Sun God Nika.
I think that the gorosei powers and them not being labeled "devil fruits" would make sense if this "devil" of the fruits would be joyboy or someone on his side. Since the celestial dragons are "gods", makes sense to "devil" be the one who opose them, and then the gorosei may just have "fruits" (or even god fruits), not "devil fruits", maybe back them this kind of power was common
The one piece world , is the One Piece . Isn’t most “treasure sunken”. Going from island to island to find the “One piece” is what you’re on and you have to bring it all back. “Laugh tale”! 😂
Maybe this could explain the weird weather on the Grandline. Winter islands could be islands the mostly sunk except for the peaks of their landmass while Summer islands could have not gotten the worst of it. Just a theory I thought of listening to this video
The grand line could be a mountain chain, which could also explain the unreliable weather. But it would not explain the different climate zone of each island, so it's prob wrong, but worth an idea
A while ago I saw a guy on reddit with a theory on the 4 road poneglyphs that leads to laugh tale, because only 3 directions would be enough to triangulate its location and get there, but what if there was another dimension, the depth, then a fourth one would be needed, it would make a lot of sense for that and even though this made sense to me at the time, right now I'm convinced that this is the case
You could be on to something. Then again, it takes three to mark a point in three dimensions: two to triangulate (bearings from two different points to mark an "X") and a third to point out the elevation. Based on Roger's logic of arriving there too early, the fourth Road Poneglyph could state the correct time window to make full use of the One Piece.
Perhaps Gol D Roger has sunk the Oro Jackson with all of his wealth on it at Laugh Tale, meaning his treasure can only be obtained by someone who drains the oceans?
Wow everything makes sense now. I always wondered how it's possible that countries and Islands did not have Histories and they did not have any proof of their past i realised that the world government eradicated so the water level Rose and since nobody was allowed to talk about 100 years anyone who knew anything before that was that
i cant believe we are getting this sort of lore drop out of oda, this story just keeps getting deeper after starting out as a lighthearted adventure show.
Wow everything makes sense now. I always wondered how it's possible that countries and Islands did not have Histories and they did not have any proof of their past i realised that the world government eradicated everyone and books of who knew and could pass on their history so the water level Rose and covered everything and every proof and since nobody was allowed to talk about 100 years anyone who knew anything before that
It keeps making more and more sense why the panel where Roger and his crew laughed was just white and no details. Oda can't show that they were under water that would have given us too much of a hint but I can see laugh tale being anywhere I stopped guessing and am just waiting for oda to break my mind like this last chapter and the fact the Roger proper line is "I left everything down there" FREAKING GODA!!!!
Oda hinted at real-world supercontinents with his names of other one piece places. Lulusia Kingdom can be read as the supercontinent Laurussia (like how Raftel is actually Laugh tale). It's funny that Laurussia was also known as the "Old Red Continent" - sounds like the Red Line to me!
There being huge continents would help explain the Ancient Giants like Oars and Oars Jr. To such huge beings the islands of the One Piece world look small, but if in the past, there were huge continents then they would have plenty of room to run around.
We saw Roger and crew at Laugh Tale, they weren't wearing bubbles, just standing around laughing. And they seemed to be able to see so there was light. Fishman Island is a special circumstance with the light from the tree and the bubbles and all that stuff which is the only idea I could have and it only works there.
I also feel like we may have arrived at a place in the story that reveals a long build up to the coded references of the advent of atomic energy in our real world, and the mixed results that have come with it. Could Joy Boy be an allergorical reference(?) To Japan and Imu to America, whom used the A-Bomb as Imu used Uranus ? Being this is a Japanese story it would make a great deal of sense if in some part or aspect of his story, Oda would so deftly encode his perspectives or takeaways on something that effected his home country so deeply. I think one could easily find in many aspects of these last few chapters and the message Vegapunk is laying out for us, moments that loosely connect to events surrounding a post A-bomb world.
Just from the thumbnail i got a crazy theory (haven't watched yet) What if the reason Roger was early was because the water level was still too low and it needed to be raised a few more meters to access the One Piece properly, whatever it is. Laugh Tale is still above water partially, but part of it needs to be underwater to progress farther
Joyboy's Silloete looked like Charlotte Oven, Luffy has paramecia like and zoan like awakening already and his last will have him take on a Logia type form and abilities by having him turn into a literal flame man with abilities of all devil fruit classes while Blackbeard needs 3 devil fruits to do what the Hito Hito no mi model Sungod can do alone
After Lulusia's destruction, it seems a literal VOID was left where the island was. However, as in our world, a void in the ocean would be filled with said ocean - thus DEcreasing the water levels. It seems that the One Piece world doesn't have this feature. The void remains where the weapon was fired, and instead of DEcreasing the waterlevel, it rises. So it seems that the volume that sat in the now-void has been displaced, rather than evaporated, into the sea or ground below. Thus the volume of the holw displaces the water. Rant aside, if the theory that the weapon was used 100s of times in different places to increase the waterlevel, the One PIece world should be full of holes, NOT filled with ocean. This could of course still be true: the world is a vast place and the red line might be covering some holes or something. But my preferred theory is that there are places in the world government's jurisdiction where huge voids are created. Such as under Enies Lobby, maybe inside the Florian Triangle as well?
I dont see how using the ancient weapon as is to make the sea level go down is logical as much as using an "undo button". Since the use of it seems to raise the sea level. I see it working like more of a pushing the land mass down and it being moved to push up from the bottom of the red line to widening it at the bottom. This would explain the displacement of water. Making it where that section of land mass/"island" was is now pushed to make the red line bigger, and the never filling hole is also displacing water. The water flowing into the holes made by the weapon could be coming out of the top of reverse mountain or around it which would explain the weird water flows. Reversing this would lower the red line, replace the missing mass/islands, and half the water displacement. This could result in the restoration of the world, but also the destruction of fisherman island in the form the tree might collapse on top of it without a proper land mass to hold it in place/the reverting process having an effect on the island. I wouldn't be surprised if laugh tale is under reverse mountain with the X marks the spot theory.
ok so joyboy found out the kings were eating lots of food, maybe he barged into the banquet hall and ate loads of meat, then they either fought there or they ambushed him later once they realized what he did.
A thought keeps occuring to me, that the One Piece might actually be alive… as-in image the planet is a literal dragon whose "skin" is land… and if you just wake and poke a bit, you can just ask to shake the water!
17:00 It is possible that the Redline was only partially created during the Void Century, meaning the Lunarians were living on top of a smaller continent before the Redline was created by raising the ocean floor around it until it split the world in two.
The abnormal magnetism of the Grandline islands maybe the works of a past user of Kid's Jiki Jiki no mi abilities during the creation of the Grandline.
My theory is that every ancient weapon could be operate with specific "key", the key what i mean is DF power, oda give us hints at movie red when toto musica can only activated by uta df, there's possibility that luffy's gomu2 might also use to some degree activated ancient weapon
