Dear EmRatThich I would like to deliver my sincere appreciation to all your valuable videos. I live in Switzerland as Korean origin who started Pingpong over 50 years old. I didn't have any chance to have coach but I am getting a serious player. Therefore, I have eagered to find an Internet coach for a year. During last Christmas break, I watched all you videos and I admired your logical explanations. I can see some difference between oriental culture/method and western one. But I believe that you recognize it and balance it well. I am a fan of your video and you are my genuin coach absolutely. Thanks for your kind efforts. Best regards
Thank you Thomas Kim :) It's never late to learn playing table tennis. My chinese friend also started playing very late. However, we discovered the Chinese philosophy about table tennis and enjoy it :) Now, I share it to you.
a little thing that Wang Hao was doing on his backhand rubber was, to put a little square of glue on the rubber where his fingers are in contact. like this, he has more grip when he switches for backhand. he can grab it tight to unleash the royal backhand stroke.
I have always used penhold grip. My weakness has always been my backhand. I have never gotten used to twist of the arm to get the paddle bent downward when I hit it. I will have to try and use the grip shown here 3:20
Finally, as promised, this is the tutorials for the penholders. By collecting several footages, I want to show to the new players where to apply the pressure in the penhold grip. We are learning the penhold grip from Xu Xin, Wang Hao, Ma Lin and others. I think this video would help you to improve your penhold shots, especially the RPB (Reverse Penhold Backhand). Notice: I've missed one tips in the video. For the penhold backhand, as Wang Hao mentioned, the thumb is used to control the angle of the blade and the index is used to help the driving force. You should apply the pressure on the index finger for the penhold backhand grip. For the penhold forehand grip, it depends on the stroke. For the shots that require the flexibility of the wrist (such as forehand serve or the forehand flip on the table) you should apply the pressure on the index finger and release the pressure on the thumb finger as shown in the slow motion video of Ma Lin. For the forehand topspin far from the table which require a stronger guidance force, you should apply the pressure on both the thumb and the index finger to stabilize your stroke and also to add power to your forehand loop.
As a penholder player myself. It is indeed pretty difficult to get basic penholders videos. However, if you are searching for youtube and google, you will find a lot of classic videos from China. Some will have subtitles. I hope that would help.
Emratthich,I play with my friend in our neighborhood,he always does high shots and I can't smash them oftenly,it either goes under the net or doesn't hit the table at all pls help
Great video, I've never seen anybody actually explain how different your grip needs to be for the reserve backhand. Now I may know why I've been struggling to get it going. Many thanks!
Hey coach, how should my back fingers be positioned if I want to use both sides on the backhand side? I want to block with the traditional backhand and also topspin with the reverse penhold backhand. Any ideas?
Dear EmRatThich what do i do if my coach is telling me to do shakehand when i do penhold. I am chinese but not in china so i have a non-chinese coach and tells me to do shakehand. it is very hard to find a coach here, so the coach is my only option. i am more comfortable with penhold because i always use chopsticks but when i use shake hand it is very odd and unnatural even when i started i found penhold easy thats why i use it. i use rpb and i really dont want to change to shakehand because i will lose many time and money because all my equipment is focused on rpb with penhold blade. i am very confused please help me i feel like im starting to lose interest in the sport because it is really not fun to do something that is forced and i love penhold and i am very proud i am using it. i dont want to change, please help me i dont know what to do.
just because of this very reason i want to go back to china and stay there, i really love table tennis and its the only thing i think about. but i need to stay here for reasons and i need practice and learn to be better. i know the coach is very good and i trust the coach, very good player. but i feel already unmotivated for practice.
It's very interesting to see things after your explanations. Even in slowmotion, there were things I've never noticed before! Thanks for another great video, especially for gathering so many footages, they help a lot!
I doubt about the index finger press when doing a forehand with penhold. If you press the index finger for the forehand, wouldn't that make the paddle angle more open and could cause many forehand out?
I am not sure why Ma Lin released his thumb after serving. I suspect more that, he was anticipating to do a traditional backhand return, so released the thumb and applied pressure with the index finger, but the changed his mind and re-applied thumb pressure to do a forehand return instead.
My Chinese coach ( even though she is a shakehand player) told me that for the penhold forehand, I should be applying pressure with the thumb for the forehand grip. I can confirm that if you try to use the index finger, it is very hard to control the racket angle closed without lifting elbow very high or twisting the wrist to a very uncomfortable position. For the traditional chinese backhand grip, it is similar to the Japanese backhand grip with respect to the index finger. My coach says that I should apply pressure with the index finger.
Hi Ham Pong. Yes you are right. As Wang Hao mentioned, for the penhold backhand grip, the thumb is used to control the angle of the blade and the index is used to help the driving force. That you should apply the pressure on the index finger as said by your coach. For the penhold forehand grip, it depends on the stroke. If you want a flexibility of the wrist to increase the spin quality of your shot such as the serve, or the forehand flip on the table, you should apply the pressure on the index finger (as shown in Ma Lin's video), if you do the forehand topspin far from the table quick require a stronger guidance force, you should apply the pressure on both of the thumb and the index finger to stabilize your stroke and also to add power to your loop. Your coach's advice is right.
yesterday I was practicing close to the table rally drive/ counter hit with my chinese coach. She noticed that when my footwork was bad and I hit a forehand, I was raising my elbow : She reminded me that i must apply pressure with the thumb for the forehand. You can try in front of the mirror with index or thumb pressure to maintain the same racket angle. You will see and feel which pressure is more comfortable and produces a smoother swing.
Having played tennis for many years from high school to college I always used traditional forehand and one-handed backhand grip for table tennis, but always wanted to try to use the pen holder but found the backhand ability lacking in flexibility and attack being that the forehand blade side is always used - and I didn’t know how to do it for reverse backhand. This video finally cleared up the variations of the PH and how it can be used for RB as well. While I still find the wrist angles a bit cumbersome anatomically compared to western tennis grips, this video will help me improve my pen holder grip, even at least for my amusement. Thank you for your video!
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I can't even use shakehand it's a so strange for me. From a first time I took table tennis racquet as a kid I immediately used to hold racquet that way(penhold) even through no one teach me that and trainers here always teach kids shakehand but for me shakehand never worked, I had no choice but penhold and my game is so similar to Xu Xin ;) I love your video :D
I don't really understand, what is the difference between traditional chinese pen hold and modern backhand? They seems similar? Except you hit with back side of the blade with modern one? Also, in the comments coach said that modern shakehand grip is better, quote"For the modern table tennis, shakehand has more advantage (aggressive attack and service return on BH side".Do you think this is correct? I started to learn cpen grip but my support fingers hurt if i want to straighten them as some teach (maybe because i have a 5$ premade racket i dont know) and now i learn that shakehand is actually better from asian coach? Maybe i should switch.. Very confusing for new player. But thank you for the video non the less.
Fantastic video! Best one yet. However, one grammatical error that recurs in your videos is the use of 'to explain'. You say 'I will explain you...', whereas the correct usage is 'I will explain TO you...' Otherwise very informative and helpful, and your English is improving by leaps and bounds!
Hi Coach EmRatThich! You have mentioned in a video before that real chinese rubbers are hard and low throw rubbers. But I have seen the chinese players use "hybrid rubbers" or softer sponge with tacky topsheet (example, skyline 3-60 or hurricane 3-50) and I was wondering if I should switch back to using hybrid rubbers. Before I was using Hurricane 3-50 and now I moved to Skyline tg2. I feel that my shots were stronger, but it has a dead feel. I recently tried a Stiga Genesis and it felt really great! I'm not sure I will be able to use the Chinese technique though. What do you think?
Thanks for your valuable videos because of you my game improved Could you please tell me which is good premade bat under 20$ I am a penholder Reply As soon as possible Once again thank you
Ma Lin's grip or Wang Zengyi's grip. They have the same style of using the BH block to prepare for an RPB attack. Sometime Ma Lin even uses a BH swipe chop on hin BH side to disrupt the opponent's rythm.
Hi, I'm new in table tennis, but my father learned me to use penhold grip, and i love it. Shakehand grip does not work for me very good... I know cpen have some flaws. I just want to play for fun with my friends, but still I will like to win some games. They are beginners too. My question is. Because I'm from Europe (Serbia), i don't have many options here to get some good penhold blades. I want to listen to your advice and get allaround 5 ply, all wood blade, but i can't find one here that easy. I find one that i like, and the name of the blade is like the name of my favorite player, Ma Lin (Ma Lin Extra OFF cpen). But it is offensive blade... You said offensive is not good for beginner, and i respect that, but what do you think about this model? Is it possible to advance with this blade, or is too fast, and hard to control for me at this level. I just want to say that this blade is in my price range (I'm not very rich, Serbia is not so good place to live in). And one more question to add. What rubber do you recommend for cpen beginner. I watch your video when you said hard ones (harder on FH 40+, and -2 on BH). I like spins, and control for now, so at this moment I don't want to focus too much on speed. I want to learn basics and technique first, reverse backhand later. So what do you think that is the best rubber for me at this point on FH and BH (and where to put black and red colors). English is not my mother tongue; please excuse any errors on my part. Thank you
I'm sure u have bought the blade already but i still want to give u some advice. Ma lin extra offensive is the best cpen blade u can get. And remember u are beginner that's why u don't like to be aggressive u are penholder! Your main strength is fh attack, when u learn it u will love it so much but u need good footwork for that. Maybe u will master rpb who knows but remember u are penholder uneed to play penhold game. As ur rubbers i don't really know what should u get bcoz i don't know ur playstyle but I use skyline 3 on fh and hurricane 3 neo or rakza 7 soft on bh. Good luck
If you would like to know that shakehand grip is not from holding a knife ,it is from shaking hands with another person in the western world . I have never anyone in my country the United States of America ever said what you just said about shakehand style of players . We aways said hold your hand out like you are ready to shake someone's hand and put the shakehand paddle handle flat against your palm and your thumb over the handle and that is the we hold a shakehand paddle with not too firm grip with so much relax grip . Knife holding has nothing to do with a shakehand paddle .
emratthich I am unable to return very fast balls against a shakehand player...... could you please tell me some tips to return these shots.......I am a j-pen player with butterfly p20 racket ..thnx
he will probably place it to your backhand and then move it to your forehand. Or he will move you far to the forehand corner and place it to your backhand. They want to take advantage of your backhand. This is why I stopped doing Jpen the backhand is slow making it easy to counter. You definitely wont be able to be successful at old age with jpen. Maybe you can try the Patitan II blade because it is a jpen blade with a reverse bakchand.
Fantastic video! I'm glad you finally made this. As a new table tennis player, im glad I found this channel. I picked up ping pong a while ago and when i went to buy a raquet, the club owner sold me some 5+2 carbon zebrawood doublefish blade that was extremely hard and some soft and springy rubbers that are completly non-tacky. The opposite of what you reccomend! I can use it decently, but now that I am starting to improve i find my shot consistency is holding me back and i tend to make most of my errors on simple plays like pushes and gentle flicks. Now that i am more informed, i want to get a softer blade and tackier rubber so i can learn to loop the chinese style. Do you think you can help me pick a backhand rubber? My thoughts are Blade: yasaka sweden extra penhold. All blade, good for looping i think? fh: 729 super fx bs. Hard and tacky rubber! bh:??? I play rpb and can flick, counter and block with some level of consistency. Thank you for your time!
+N8 oh no. Stiff carbon blade with soft bouncy rubber is for hitter. Its really bad if you want to loop. For bh rubber you can use target force 45. Choose 2.0 mm. Very good bh rubber.
Try it out and you will see that physically, you can control the racket angle better with thumb for the forehand stroke without having to contort your wrist and elbow.
