"Math For Women" 

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daniela thank you 😭😭

lol same

Why even bother attending at that point, why not just sleep in your bed?

You did the best for you. Being in a career while loathing one of the fundamentals of it is awful. I'm glad you were able to stand for yourself and do what you liked!

I feel like you think thats your responsibility on whether you are fitting stereo types however I think focusing on what you want to do is more important than a stereotype sure it affects how people in society accept you but you have to consider the possibility that fighting against the stereo type unnaturally will only merit unnecessary attention to the stereo type. Then when you can't fit either the stereo type or the anti stereo type all of a sudden you are an exile wandering society looking for acceptance.

@@crowmaster9652 What do you mean its your responsibility whether you fit a stereotype? Are you saying that there is some moral accountability fot it?

I’ve just started taking a cs course, and I asked a question privately (we were doing a lab) and he answers and I understood, and I heard him mutter under his breath “your smart”. I just understood the material, so either everyone else isn’t the class was dumb, or he as sexist. (There were like 5 other girls in the class)

Cs isn't necessarily programming.

Also, this also applies to many more groups of people who have been historically oppressed or continue to be discriminated against.

I personally think, woman at high school and college level, are better. Because, generally females are more ‘precise’

Actually so wrong and such a victim mindset. Women in general are interested in people rattert then things, women in general are also more social then men. Thats why they go into social fields its not because they are told that they never be good mathematician. Even if you would do a Programm to bring math closer to women they dont want to do it, because in GENERAL they dont WANT to do it. Men and women arent the same. They are interested in different things. Iy you want to be a mathematician be a mathematician if you want to be a nurse be a nurse dont force women to go into STEM if they dont WANT TO

Or maybe it simply didn't interest them back then? That was my experience talking to women. Sometimes women genuinely don't want to do certain jobs, for example;Sanitation, construction and cattle slaughter. Even women have looked at those things as dirty men's work. Why are we not encouraging young women to take those jobs?

@@jklax finally some one with brains

Yeah, one of my professors in physics was discriminated against, but I never experienced it. Though in my Masters of Mech Engineering, it was still highly male dominated.

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What are you talking about, nobody thinks that women can't be good at math, you're just pulling anecdotal evidence to support your ideological claim that society thinks that women aren't good at math, are you insane. And what is so bad about there being fewer women in math or STEM there are also jobs where there are more women than men and nobody complains about that. We should be encouraging people in general men and women to pursue math by showing them how interesting it is to study it and not by saying that society doesn't believe in them to succeed cause at the end of the day nobody really cares what you do as long as you enjoy doing it.

I'm a girl in IT, but I was the one that didn't group with other girls but instead went to mostly male groups. I agree that planning courses to follow a group and being able to be in only a single group gives less advantages than adapting to the situation freely like I was able to do.

I believe this internal pressure is whether women are as good as men in the STEM field this is what causes the issue where we promote diversity and somehow it feels like its more pressure because the factors women consider as priorities are more social than professionalism. Many drop out because they prefer careers that involve social aspects. Then you have the base of the dilemma where emotions dictate the diversity instead of allowing the process to become natural. How can women meet or surpass the standards of men if they can't progress past their emotions?

​@@crowmaster9652how do emotions get in the way? Why is it bad?

World doesn't revolve around progressive f3tishes. North America and Europe aren't the cultural centres of planet earth. Patriarchy exists on a greater magnitude in places like Japan and China and yet their societies haven't collapsed into medieval theocracies. Touch grass. You are conflating antiscientific American cultural trends your existing paranoia.

The work culture in STEM careers is not compatible with social aspects. There is a reason men are compatible with STEM careers and it is their priority on professionalism. One can try to think its about how one is raised when the reality is that women will always pick the social aspects over professionalism on their own. Some women can stabilize their own cultures to meet work cultures but are generally forgotten by the media, and progressives when it matters the least. Then the idea that we focus based on gender over individuality is what is the most concerning matter.

@@crowmaster9652 as a woman in a stem field, we can agree to disagree on this one. :)

@@erinodonnell386 Ah yes you number 386 I take it your research is substantial to this society.... agree to disagree?

I felt very much integrated in tech until I started lurking on the internet and reading about all the issues that women have in tech. I experienced a few of them, but they never were an issue. I guess I got lucky

the biggest reason why theres no more woman in tech is because they dont have as much interest in tech compared to guys, its the same as nursing which has a lot more woman. the idea that every field will have 50% men and 50% woman is a delusion

That is interesting cuz in my country, throughout bachelors, masters and workplace, computer science dept always got 50-50.

Given the high ratios of women to men in higher education, I wonder what that means for men? Have things reversed?

But why should it be disheartening or be an issue? We don't see men complaining that there aren't enough men in majors like political science, psychology or other female dominated fields? It's foolish.

@@kaz9242 did you ignore the part of my comment where I said women had disproportionate dropout rates that were correlated to the lack of support from peers and academic advisor? I'm an actual woman in these classes. There is a systemic problem. And it's disheartening to see my friends dropout because of the lack of resources. Also political science is already an extremely male (and fascist) dominated field. Plus many of the founding/prominent psychologists are men.

@@virginiareider9559 universities In Western countries are going out of their way to help women in stem and there are even women only scholarships. If there is a lack of support in a course from the professor/faculty then it's the same to every student male or female. I've seen dudes in mechanical engineering simping hard when they see a female student as the class is like 95% male. Notes, homework solutions you name it. This whole situation also varies depending on the geographical location. Almost 70% of medical students are female in my home country and nobody cares.

@@kaz9242 I'm telling you ..from my experience...you are treated different for being a women in these subjects. I help write newsletters for my college on this stuff. I help get guest speakers to talk about this stuff. I plan on going into research about this stuff. Also 95% of the men going after the one girl in their stem class isn't fun (and you just proved it's still a largely dominated male field). Its gross to get unwanted sexual comments all the time..I personally want to study math in math class, not find a date. Idc about simps just treat me with respect.

I ask this seriously and I really want to know, because these sound like very serious allegations. Are you saying your school activity discriminates against women and minorities? I mean something like males and white students are offered resources others are not or are denied? Or they have higher requirements that males do not? Or do you mean white male class mates are doing something criminal or immoral to force women and minorities to quit? I also never can tell what someone’s definition of Systemic is?

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And what causes the 'difference in interest," genius?

@argon LOL! 😂 Well parroted, stooge

@argon More likely your low intelligence, but you can call it "male brain" if you like

Lol no, youre basing your argument off gender stereotypes. Pushing for diversity and inclusion in male dominated fields isn’t contrived because the barriers are real, and the thing that’s being forced is the exclusion.

@@bobbyd1658 all primates, and many if not all species exhibit, bifurcated gender roles across a variety of domains. If you argue that there are no substantial genetic components to shaping our desires and tastes between gender groups, then you're actually arguing that we're the only species that has properties in the exact inverse of other species: born the same, but somehow cross-culturally subconsciously attempt to bifurcate. A much easier explanation is we are just like every other animal on this planet that has substantive gender differences that influence our decisions and motives. Even just testosterone and musculature in men creates a disproportionate sex drive. That alone pushes competitiveness in whatever is deemed to obtain more mates. People are quick to point out men tend more violent and aggressive. Well, you can't have it both ways. Our natures are different and it expresses in different attributes as slanted strengths and weaknesses at the population scale. Beyond the obvious unscientific basis, there is no reason to express women as lesser if they simply don't engage in technical matters as much. The world is not just made up of technical people, and technology-fetish aside, is not even the most important contribution you can make to society. There are plenty of women doing thankless and truly difficult work simply raising the next generation of humans. Eventually we will realize this just puts more pressure on women and girls to try to do everything, even pushing harder than necessary against their natural tendencies to fit into what they hear parroted at them. We should instead encourage people to be whatever the want to be. And in most cases that will mean genetic properties of taste and desire will guide that. There's that saying of the path paved from good intentions...