Matthew Gets Tired Of Mary | Downton Abbey 

I think Cora is aware of Mary's behavior. She knew something was wrong after Mary excused herself with a headache when she was mad at Matthew. Cora told her not to quarrel with him because she may need him, which turned out to be true. The look Cora had on her face when Robert said Mary could be such a child showed she secretly understood what he meant. Her asking him what he meant was like "I already know, but humor me." Robert was kind of late to the party when it came to Mary, so I thought it was interesting for him to say it out loud in front of everyone and acknowledge her issues.

You're right he does seem to know his daughter better than the mother does.

His lordship is watching Lady Mary and Mathew like a hawk. The estate and his widow's and daughter's futures depend on who Mathew marries.

Keldon McFarland That makes a perfect sense.

@@keldonmcfarland2969 I believe that to be the primary thing, but also looking at these 2 and their other feelings for one another get in the way of their love for one another.

Yes, but more in the first season..by the third & fourth seasons, Daisy starts becoming like a daughter to her.

Patriarchy is Natural _ true she had mother daughter relationship with her in the end.

@@brendonmartin9550: Yes she did, and it was most touching.

Joe Dick that’s harsh.. she married William to boost his morale even though she didn’t want to. She was eager to help Sybil when she wanted to learn how to cook. She was heart broken when Sybil died. She stood up for William’s dad when he was about to lose his farm. She sabotaged mrs Bird’s cooking when mrs. Pattmore thought she was losing her job etc etc. I can think of more good than the “pretty horrible” things.

@Joe Dick yes she definintely was a cunt. William was on his deathbed hoping to marry and give her benefits that'll help her and her reasoning to not marry was "oh ma values ooooo its not right." That's retarded logic to say the least when the obvious kindness was to just go through with it and pretend for those few moments.

Agreed!

@elsalabouret1476…every moment is perfect in this show 😭😭😭❤❤❤

Then later Matthew gets together with Lavinia - a sweet, selfless girl that adores him - and he still prefers Mary.

@@snowangelnc yep very true

Look, you can't help it. It makes you feel awful later but at the time you feel completely justified and pure.

@@snowangelnc Men dont want affable They want Excitement with charm!

@@iwhippedcreamcode4642 I think a lot of men would prefer Lavinia. It just happens that Matthew isn't one of them.

I hate to admit it but when im drunk i go to the 10 second rule.

but the cat bit it...

gross myth

Given the amount of bugs they dealt with it was probably nothing ...

@@OnLifeandLove Fun fact, humans have dirtier mouths than dogs and cats . Let that sink in .

No. It was real, but they broke each other's hearts.

No. It wasn't infatuation. It was the real thing, but Mary was afraid to commit because she carried the shameful secret of how Mr Pamuk died in her bed. She felt like she had this "Scarlet Letter" she carried around inside her, like she was tainted somehow and was afraid of what would happen if Matthew ever found out. She was afraid that she would lose him, that he would leave her. He truly loved Mary as well and was so hurt, he got engaged to Miss What's her face on the rebound.

@Joe Dick I guess they had different beauty standards back then. Mary is more classically beautiful than Sybil, I believe. The face and the cheekbones... Sybil's face is more plump and her lips are fatter (the beauty standards of today). I think that even in the 2000s they would have preferred Mary's appearence. They used to go crazy over underweight women. To me, they're both beautiful 🥰

Never liked this couple

Maple Islet 😇

I would have LOVED for him to say much, much more than "That's below the belt even for you" during that scene.

oh dont worry she gets her wrondoing shoved in her face in later seasons😊

I know, right?

It was purring with contentment

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Greedy cat!

@@Lafemmefutile The cat isn't greedy, it just likes the chicken!

This was pay back for Edith writing to the Turkish embassy about how Pamuk died.

​@@SS11660No, this happened BEFORE Edith's letter to the Embassy.

​@@SS11660in fact, it was Mary's behaviour in this scene that led Edith to write the letter.

I absolutely agree! I always found Mary to be mean-spirited, vain, arrogant, and down right nasty! Was so pleased when Bertie became the Marquis, and Edith outranked Mary 😁

I would say: most people do agree with that assessment

Another one similar that my mother told me was "what the eyes don't see, heart don't leap". So true.

Mary was exaggerating, but Matthew did say something to Mary of the effect that he wasn't and never would be interested in Edith earlier. Mary just phrased it cruelly because Edith sniped at her first. Everybody was laughing at Mary's imitation and if Edith had said nothing, both of them would have gone on happily with their men. Both of them were disappointing in this scene, if we are being honest. They let their competition get so petty...and Edith fully embraced challenging Mary, it was cheapening to both Sir Anthony and Matthew. They are both guilty, so I don't know why Mary gets all the crap for this. I can't figure out whether it's because people like rooting for the underdog (Edith) or if it's because this scene was a negative for the Matthew/Mary romance.

cheetahinireland18 I hate that Mary gets blamed entirely for their catty arguments. Edith was just as horrible, and just as petty, but she can’t play on the same level as Mary and ends up getting hurt worse, so everyone blames Mary for everything. Obviously Mary could be horrible, but Edith is just as bad (if not worse, since she never seems to act even a little remorseful for anything she does).

Cleptrio Totally agree about everything. One scene that always stuck out to me is when Carson collapses while trying to pour the wine (I think it was the time they thought he was having a heart attack) and when they tell Edith to hurry and get help, she whines about Carson staining her dress 🙄 Rewatching the show really opened my eyes to Edith!

@@cheetahinireland18 and let's not forget that she wrote to the Turkish Ambassador and then said "in the arms of a slut"...I never quite forgave her at the beginning for the writing thing. You don't do that to your family..no matter how much you're "hurt" over some sibling rivalry.

Edith got exactly what was coming to her, nasty. Bitch. Always skulking in the shadows with her snide little comments, trying to get her knives into Mary.

As the eldest daughter in the family it's only to be expected. The fate of the estate is surrounded by the fact that she's a woman and how her father doesn't have a sense of business in his bones. When Cora called him foolish for investing so much into a single enterprise is worse than trying to cash in tin for silver. Add to it Lady Mary's snobby attitude, by being the eldest and thinking the whole of Europe should revolve around her.

Well, the point is she is supposed to go from bad and immature to mature and understanding over the course of the show. It's up to each viewer to judge if she made the change successfully.

I agree they gave her too much air time. It got boring watching her be such a brat.

@Michael Moretti 18 months after the last episode

Michael Moretti 1927

I expected more of the movie.. it was a bit dissapointing.

But not that chicken

Silviasi22 Hummmm, Love can only last so long when one partner is mean, cruel & demanding. At least that’s my opinion

@@bonnielong5812 lady amry was complicate, everyone agrees, but she loved matthew with all her heart, that is a big true

Silviasi22 Yes once Mary grew up and stopped acting like a baby. If she continued on the path of treating him like a toy, that would not have led to their beautiful love.

@Kezia Nah he could never really get over her. Even with all her selfishness and ego, he always saw her in the best light.

Bonnie Long that's why it worked! she gave him spunk and pushed him to be his best, and he softened her hard edges. Perfect ying yang.

What did Edith do??

@@elinanderzon2922 publicise Marys one night stint with pamouk to the public and nearly ruining the family with it?

It was almost always Mary who hurt and belittled Edith and who started it.

@@TeylaDex The only thing people can come up with.

d-e-f-e-n-d

I don’t blame her for being desperate. Marrying was the only way for her to get away from Downton.

@@HappyStars234 And the fact that no one, men or even her own family took notice of her, made her more desperate to prove herself. And having Mary on her tail, flauting her succes and laughing at her failures really made Edith a bitch for a while. Thankfully she grew out of it and became the most succesful one of the family.

@@HappyStars234 Me neither. If I were in her shoes, I’d want to leave that place sooner rather than later too.

I don’t agree. Edith always held her own, especially in the middle and later seasons.

She genuinely liked him.

Connell Walker this is such a beautiful comment that captures this show perfectly.

They just announced there may be a Season 7!

True!

@Joe Dick how very respectful to Michelle Dockery... They both are very pretty but in a different way. Mary has a classic and graceful beauty whereas Lavinia seems more innocent and shy. And neither of them is supposed to look hot or 'fuckable'.

@Joe Dick You certainly are a dick... your name suits you well.

@@ladyfoxwf1075 exactly what I was gonna say xD

Of course, Edith was equally vengeful in the early seasons. Edith was willing to put her family to shame by exposing the story of Pamuk's death - which of course didn't just include Mary, but also her own mother and maid. Her motivation was solely to hurt Mary. Of course, everyone including myself came to love and root for Edith because she became much kinder and caring after her experience during the war; she was a good person but Season 1 showed how the sisters brought out the worst in each other.

Yes it is hilarious.

GOOD GOD!!

M-a-r-y

If you feed a cat it won't kill mice

@@SSs-ch4ey even domestic cats want to kill everything they play with. That’s why they bring back dead bodies for you. Even if they’re well fed. They’re opportunistic predators. They’ll always want to kill something in a way. Seriously or not

@@KoiYakultGreenTea well then my cat is defective because she ignores the mice in my house

@@SSs-ch4ey her instinct is gone unfortunately

Who did Edith marry in the end and was it a love match? I never the ending. Thank you.

@@patsyhodge9071 in this scene she was right, because when Matthew saw Mary flirting with Ser Anthony she alienated him and then Mary acted all shocked when he walked away from her. So Edith was right, Mary couldn't have both.

@@patsyhodge9071 Edith married a marquis. It was a love match. Mary tried to ruin it as Edith will be on a higher rank than her. Edith also had her own Empire as she inherits the publication house from Gregson.

@@vijithadsan8169 thank you

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Same!!!

Of course, she was equally vengeful in the early seasons. Edith was willing to put her family to shame by exposing the story of Pamuk's death - which of course didn't just include Mary, but also her own mother and maid. Her motivation was solely to hurt Mary. Of course, everyone including myself came to love and root for Edith because she became much kinder and caring after her experience during the war; she was a good person but Season 1 showed how the sisters brought out the worst in each other.

M-A-R-Y

Was this a rule? Oh!

@@rc1982 No, it wasn’t. It was mostly done to the persons at your side but no rule ever forbid you to have a short dialog with the guests on other side of the table.

Kardashians? I think it'd be terrible.

Mary and Edith = Kim and Kourtney

I love where Cora says, "Bring cheese, fruit, anything to get rid of this taste!"

That's how you end up with dirt-poor dukes

@@SSs-ch4ey Barons

And then after a few generations the heir is the heir of nothing. Good idea.

@@fan2jnrc Yeah, if he couldn't manage what he inherited, his share of the inheritance. The legislation on stock companies arrived in Brazil at the end of 19th century precisely to help organized the inheritance of landlords families. Those aristocratic families created companies, banks in general, and they put all their assets, money and lands under the ownership of these companies. The inheritance was distributed as shares of the family company. The law restricted company's equity liability depending on the regime choosed by the company. The Almeida Prado family from São Paulo was an aristocratic family of coffee planters. They created a bank with family assets over 100 years ago. They still partners of many of the most important companies in the country.

She could certainly be a stone hearted bitch when she felt like it.

@@nina1522 💯💯💯

That's unfair. She's the most considerate to her father and she's also under the most pressure being the first-born.

@@realniggashit3 THIS.

Gerard Collins really? Edith could be just as horrible, she just wasn’t as good at it.

How is Edith any less vain and catty than Mary? They both behaved badly...and in this scene, Edith started it. Mary simply made a joke at Sir Anthony's expense (not Edith's) that caused the room to laugh. Had Edith not taken it personally and sniped at her, the whole thing would have never happened.

@@cheetahinireland18 Maybe MAry shouldn't be making bitchy remarks about other people.

@@cheetahinireland18 Mary didn´t make anyone laught. Her own mother reprimanded her because she was been unpolite and rude to a guest. And later she decided not only to hurt her sister, but sir Anthony aswell, who never did anything against Mary herself

Nesseire did you even watch the clip? You can clearly hear the women laughing! They focus on Sybil, who stifles her laugh with her hand. Honestly, you can disagree with my opinion, but that people laughed at Mary’s joke was clearly presented...making things up doesn’t better your point.

Daes Gatling lol okay...but just so you know, if you are going to be furious with every tv character that makes a bitchy remark, you’re not going to enjoy much tv. And Edith made bitchy remarks all the time! They both have good and bad qualities...people get weirdly pissy about Mary for whatever reason.

Nah

One of the best scenes in the whole series! LOL

Take it back now ya'll

Deer Slayer Slabaugh Ewww no! Edith was more interested in old fossils

​@@DivineIntuitions.Ishita By "old fossils" do you mean older men?

How? He choked a bit, apologized, and then settled down.

LOOOLLLL🤣

LOL

Mary is definitely prettier than Edith. Sybil is the prettiest one, of course

@@SSs-ch4ey Each to their own opinion and preference.

Edith at this point did certainly NOT have a better personality! Later maybe, seasons 1-3 nope.

Very true.

@@MsSonnencreme Well, she is just trying to get even after Mary is constantly hurting her and putting her down. Doesn’t bring out the best in anyone.

my mum always used to say someone standing on two chairs will fall between them :)

Carson's

Navy coffee does have salt in it, but just a pinch.

No… Edith is perfect with Bertie. she deserved to be recognised as a Marchioness of Hexham.

Very true. If you want a monogamous romantic relationship with someone, ask for it and if they agree you can rightfully demand them to focus their romantic advances on only you. But men who are unwilling to ask for such a commitment have zero right to be annoyed when women who have no obligation to them explore other options.

@youcometome9 Well said and I think Robert was thinking the same thing based on what he said to Cora at the end.

But that's just it Michael was always very clear from the beginning that he wanted to be Mary's one and only. She was the one that was flacky.

​@@kellharris2491 MATTHEW, not Michael!

"Butt-hurt," really?!