@@Dapstart re:"I doubt they're even aware Ian is in their house to begin with." I hadn't thought about that, but if true, maybe Ian is related to Santa Claus!. He pops down the chimney during the night to check out people's guns collections.
@@jfess1911 It's actually in the Morphy Auction House. They don't know they have it, nor the secret entrance to Ian's secret apartment hidden there. Some think he works there. Other thinks he family of the owner. The owner... thinks Ian is indeed related to Santa and isn't going to jinx anything.
The "stacked springs" in the first model recoil buffer are a common feature in the automotive world. We call 'em "leaf springs", and they're normally bound together, and have been widely used in vehicle suspension systems before the advent of first, coil and shock suspension, and later, air suspension, systems. First time I've seen such a small implementation of them, however. Very neat :)
It's always nice when you see physical principles overlap disciplines. The other famous example I can think of is that Hiram Maxim took what was basically a steam locomotive driving gear (instead of steam he uses the recoiling mass of the breech and barrel) and put it into his machine gun. Later it became a toggle-lock, but the principle is the same.
I seem to recall seeing some in a *very* old mechanical toy (possibly 1920s era) but I can't remember which one. Unfortunately we sold them on a number of years ago so I'm unable to check now. Still have some on the car in the garage though and they're so much easier to work on than modern shocks :)
Tiny little leaf springs like this are sometimes used on model vehicles, usually tanks, and small R/C trucks, like the kind they used to use as movie props. My father built models like that. Fascinating to see them in a PISTOL, of all things!
@@TheFanatical1 Hang on. Maxim actually used a Winchester in his prototyping. It's far more likely that he took the toggle lock from that than it is that he independently came up with the idea based upon locomotives.
It iz very simple. To defeat the Russians ve must invade France, through Belgium! You mean invade Russia through poland? Nein France through Belgium is how we deafeat the Tsar javohll. Alfred von Schlieffen about 1900 or so, and all Germans found it logical. Then they designed a very simple pistol acording to a similar plan (The horrible Allo Allo german felt nessesary, my humblest apologies to all germans)
His names Bill Chase, he did an episode on restoring guns back in 2018 if you want to start from there ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fSp3K42YR2U.html
@@kevinsullivan3448 Well its not definitively him, assuming thats not a green screen background the chances of a firearm restorer who picks up rare guns for fun and owns that fireplace are kind of low. But yeah, i had the same WAIT WHAT! reaction a few weeks back when someone pointed it out to me.
Given that Mauser went through the same cycle of designs with 9 mm, I imagine that these designs were tried out simultaneously in 9 mm and .45 acp. It wouldn’t make sense for them to go back and try the same iterations in.45 after settling on the flapper system in 9 mm. Of course, given that these designs were being worked up around 1914, I imagine that they never were developed commercially because “War were declared” sometime around then.
Tbh the flapper system is more complex but I’d wager you’re right and they just used it because it was the most mature design out of all of them. The other two look much simpler.
@@TheFanatical1 Sticking with the whole subject of the video; remind me again how many .45 acp semi automatic pistols Mauser manufactured and sold. Was the total production of every one ever made in history as much as a month's production of 1911A1s?
Ian: "This is a pattern of pistol that is pretty darn rare in it's normal caliber of 9 millimeter and it's even rarer in .45." Me having my back turned to the screen: Fireplace guy? *Turns around and watches the video* Yup, Fireplace guy!
At this point the pistol collection of that guy is so impressive, that I'm wondering if the fireplace is only a location to film the collections of multiple people.
@@Girvo747 maybe not a green screen. there's a video interview with a firearms collector here and it seems to be his house or something. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fSp3K42YR2U.html
It has been possible to make things with high precision for a long time, but it took a huge amount of labor to do it. Make it slightly oversize and slowly machine, grind, or file the excess. To make those same parts quickly and cheaply was the challenge. I once saw an exhibition of "masterpiece clocks" that were made hundreds of years ago. The amount of labor that went into those things was astronomical (pun intended), but they were beautiful.
The director of the Tank Museum at Bovington made a good video where he talked about tanks and the engineering cultures of different countries. He said that German engineers get no respect unless their designs are big, expensive, and complicated...
The concept, though, is pretty simple. Push a spring-loaded part. Increase resistance by using shallow angles. Making it reliable and durable given the forces in a firearm is the problem.
It'd be a stretch, but cool to see Beretta come out with a retro version of this with their locking block design like the 92fs uses. What a beautiful pistol!
I can see making tool-room experimental guns to test design function, but Holey Cow! those are beautiful! The Germans were crazy to build such magnificent guns just as experimental examples....but Germans will be Germans. (I say that fondly...I'm part German and share that same trait)
Why would it be weird to build many many many guns ONLY as experiment? It will be much like any other development process.. to get one product to shelf you have to bin or correct 20, 30 others. Mauser obviously did not get held back by such experiments as they made a lot of different production guns in the same time.
It is interesting how last year i was designing a handgun with this exact delaying system without knowing it had already been done. Now i need to know if it this mauser handgun works or if it doesn't.
Did it ever go into prototype stage? Was it intended to be commercially viable or done out of curiosity? If you feel comfortable with it - then I would appreciate the CAD, graphic files of it or the patent.
@@snootdingo9365 I am unsure as to what exactly the purpose of your comment is. Is it to imply that Martino is lying? I wrote my original comment because I genuinely want to see the how the parts would theoretically interact with it each other.
@@jonasstrzyz2469 i used to design guns on paper during boring school lessons. i was still learning how they work so most of the designs were absurdly complex or useless operating mechanisms. I later got in designing with fusion 360 and when the lockdown happened i started drawing at the computer. It was more of a thing done for fun than anything. Here in Italy you can't build your gun as freely as is done in the US. It didn't go anywhere and the design had problems with the drawing (i wasn't as good as i should have been with fusion 360). The handgun was supposed to be a sort of hudson H9 with the delaying system of the guns in this video (i had those three ideas on how to make it but designed only the first one), there were other interesting things i designed on that gun that i can write in an other comment if you would like to know.
@Martino I know this is going to sound strange, but I was also thinking of a design that is similar to this. I did thought of this design when I was trying to figure out a design for a handgun that has a fixed barrel that can handle 9mm/.45 ACP type of ammo without being simple blowback like a Hi-point.
Ian, Thanks for the heads up re Collector Grade. I did not know that the Publisher had passed away, and the Company was closing down. My favorites were all the Tim Mulling Titles - The Colt New Service, the S&W Magnum - wonderful books!
@@maximilianmustermann5763 As a Swiss I can confirm that "Swabian" is a derogatory catch-all for Germans. You guys are too loud and your discipline sucks
@@snootdingo9365 a firearm that either has a high bore axis, doesn't have good ergonomics/handling, that when fired, doesn't matter by who, will tend to rock the shooters hands. Kinda like any video of someone shooting a large magnum revolver but more from the mechanics, not the power of the cartridge
The fundamental fault of thoses flapper delayed systems is that they rely on actual springs for the flappers to close. Springs can break or remain clogged, so the flapper can remain open. Roller, lever or toggle delayed work purely thanks to geometry.
The 3rd delay is caused by the mechanical advantage of a steep angle is a high "gear ratio" to accelerate the flaps out of the way. This is slow because the force of the recoiling slide is presented with a heavy load. This would be like a truck starting up a steep hill in high gear. Acceleration would be slow.
I would think that this mechanism would be sensitive to lubrication on the surfaces. With such shallow angles, a small increase in friction would have a big overall effect. I wonder if it is more reliable to increase the mass moved or its rate of acceleration by other means to make the system less sensitive to friction.
I had a 1910 25 acp that looked just like it. It was the only accurate 25 acp pistol that I have ever shot or owned. I had to use a aluminum bolt to make a follower with my Dremel. It came out almost exactly the same. I used a Ravin magazine body and spring. I wish I still had it but thanks to the State of illinois I can't own a firearm for the next 5 years. Please don't move to Illinois if you shoot. You will get ripped off and they will look for anything to take your guns. I transferred all my fírearms before they could come and 5ake them from me. I had a very large collection that I sold for $50.000 to a friend that loved my collection. I figured it took me 25 years to collect. I had a large collection of pocket pistols. The city police really wanted to take 4hem from me but at least I basically broke even on that investment. It's better then having the police play picksy with my fírearms before they melt them down. That would be a lot of history up in flames.
Those are some beautiful pistols. And how they work just is insane for 1912 and having no cnc machines to build them. Just all hand work. Every piece with out a computer to help make it perfect.
Ian, I love your content truly Smithsonian grade material. Thank you for all the study and research. Thank you for you're contribution to our understanding of history. Good Stuff Boss 🤘 Good Fortunes Great Successes Many Blessings 🙏
@@hdexotic1914 And so I did. I can read and write in several languages, one of which is German, which was my father's native tongue. And if you did not know, this was a tongue-in-cheek quote from Das Boot.
that one in the white ,that looks like a real frame to use for a gun just go full german roller delay and a recoil spring...and double action = a new kind of 45
Foreign Officer, sent to evaluate Mauser guns: "Why is it that all of your guns need so many steps to be made?" Mauser Engineer: "That's very easy, Sir. We have bought too many expensive production machines, so we must keep them all running."
Dad had one of these in .32 ACP...got it from his Fort Lee, NJ 'cop friend'...from whence he got nanybifvhis firearms...I'm sure he did...literally...a 'mental reservation'...he wasn't lying...just "gappin' an' stretchin'" as Huckleberry Finn was fond of sayin'
"....But it's possible there's a fourth pattern out there"..... Me: *runs and grabs a glass of Ardbeg, gets cozy, rests chin on hand*: "Go ooooonnnnnnn..."
there not exactly forgotten really but why no thaught on the tt33 tokarev and its variants...been around for long time and in my opinion all around good pistols...jus baught an m57 in .30 cal i love it...those mausers are very cool..
Karl did do a mud test on a tokarev I believe and he also did do a match with one. I have an M57 too and love it. Mine has the m1911 style thumb safety which works great. We replaced the recoil spring on it and wow was it a pain in the ass. Replacing the firing pin spring was hard only with small parts. I could give a link to the firing pin spring video if you’d want. I only changed out the springs at the suggestion of my gun shop owner. Idk if it made a noticeable difference. Fortunately the sights have notches, so adjusting the rear notch was easy. Hopefully prices go down for 7.62x25 again. They used to be $17-$18 per box for PPU (without shipping). I like the PPU hollow points but have not gotten to test their expansion. There is also a website where you can buy grips that have a laser sight inside, or a magazine extension that increases by 4 rounds (expensive as heck though).
This is the website with the accessories, it is Russian website www.russian-thunder.com/ You can find good holsters with thumb snaps on Etsy or EBay. I’d recommend eBay.
Also I saw yesterday in Pakistan this gentleman has a business (AK Arms Company) and in this video he is advertising these Scorpion pistols which are like high-end tokarevs that have double stack 14 round mags. They have me drooling. I don’t speak his language but he uses enough gun terms to get the gist. They refer to the 7.62 guns as .30 bore. I hope you enjoy. m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MLlcOfR_jVA.html
@@nicholaspatton5590 nice...so far m57 hasnt needed any parts...maybe a tune up..i removed the added safety..im ok using the half cock..it was scratching the finish up. thank u sir.
The only other thing I did was break off the magazine disconnect (it is a small piece of steel under the hand guard). Your mags will drop free, but they might rattle around when inserted. It’s been so long since I done it that I can’t remember if they rattled before. I’m sure you won’t need a tune-up. I hope you get fun from shooting it like I do.
I think that whoever designed the Chinese 'Horn Grip' pistol had a Mauser 1912/14 (poorly) described to them, and they tried to copy it (visually at least).
Me wants!!!!!! Too bad I'm poor...I love .45ACP. The idea that (G-d forbid) I have to shoot someone, and I hit them, they 're going down....that's why G-d premitted us to invent that caliber....
In an alternate history where Germany wasn't stupid enough to get involved in WW1, Mauser developed this system into a viable alternative to Browning's tilting barrel. Frankly it's amazing any of the 45s have survived.
@@hdexotic1914 Perhaps you might agree the decision was stupid then. Even rational actors make extremely poor decisions. Germany gambled that the Entente powers would not act in concert without evidence, the German leaders thought that their threats would keep their opponents apart when any examination of European history would have shown them they were probably wrong. In addition they allowed extremists to influence policy such as the demand for effective control of Belgium. Even if they were set on war they allowed the timing to be chosen by their ally rather than to suit themselves.
New book idea for Headstamp Publications the complete fireplace guys collection book one just a bit of a random thought thanks both of you for this video
Would these designs work after thousands of rounds? Or would they wear excessively and lose the timing? Amazing the different ways of timing delay in such firearms.