Unpopular opinion : I think the High Limit Series is kinda cooler without the Outlaws. It almost gives it a vibe of like "A Rising Stars Series" and that could just be with how their first show played out with a guy like Justin sanders who isn't a national driver almost get a breakout win on a huge platform. But I think it is really exciting to see drivers who maybe aren't always up front or just haven't got a huge break yet chase 22k each night at unique tracks. Of course their will still be veterans in the field we always know about (marks, Larson, etc), but I think it is almost a cooler deal with no outlaws, as it showcases other guys who have tons of talent that can put on a show too.
Being retired now it's nice to have so much racing streamed get to see races and tracks I'll never get too, personally was never a fan of sanctioning bodies, just regarde them as a neccesary evil. I like for next year on the late model side they've managed to agree on a common tire rule that should make racing better as teams will just have to worry about setting up for track not changing for tires too, and should help hold down costs.
Would love the opportunity to drive in one of the late model series!!!! Kinda hard to apply for one of those open seats when ya don't have any driving on your resume though... 😂
On the outlaw weeknight deal, there’s a huge difference in having to be at a show. Rather then if your stuffs fresh and good go off and race for some good money. And if you tore a buncha stuff up on a weekend you head back to the shop and refresh.
Great thoughts on mid-week shows. The difference IMO with the old mid-week WoO shows and the High Limit events is that HL is paying premium money, where the old mid-week WoO shows paid minimum purses for the most part. It's much easier to get excited for a mid-week show paying $22k vs the old $6,000 (or whatever the minimum winners purse used to be) mid-week WoO shows.
My opinion on the WoO and the regulars not being able to race with other series’s has changed some. I’m more sensitive to the business side. If the WoO powers let the guys race wherever, before long, they wouldn’t have a series. They have to have these guys committed to be able to schedule. However, there has to be a way for the guys to race for the big money if they choose. I’m not sure what that looks like but there has to be some compromise. And a compromise may be necessary if the WoO are to remain a viable series long term. One thing I will say regarding the week night WoO races of the past is that they weren’t paying $20k on a Tuesday night. Most of these weeknight races were for the minimum or slightly above. I wouldn’t complain as much if the money was big. I can see both sides and would like to see these guys be able to work it out. But you know it is some times. The big bully just has to show his muscles. We may see what that gets them. Great show Justin! Thanks!
Always great content. It's my opinion and that KLs made "high money" run, showed the rest of the racing game, that a guy can run after the big money races and have fun doing it, nothing new, right. It's also my opinion that all the series could work together and eliminate point funds while providing some big money races, and run fewer times per year. It's way more complex than that, and I hope you get the jest of what I'm thinking. ✌🏽
Love that shirt. wish I would have bought one. Also one of the stands alone races, port in July, was in conjunction with summer nationals. not exactly a vado in March situation.
I would think part of the previous issue with WoO mid-week shows was that they were mandatory. Running a few off nights for big money is a little different when they are optional. I too like the championships and the kinda different feel they have, but there are still questions around this whole thing that I think make it difficult to make a call on yet. For example, I get the concerns over their stars running other series and cutting into the WoO identity, but the High Limit thing is supposed to be a pretty limited calendar from what I've seen so regardless of whether or not the Outlaws are running some of the races, I don't think it will really cut into the identity of the WoO product with what we know so far. We also don't know how many will truly want to/will be able to run all the High Limit races, and if they only do 3 or 4 then is it really taking away from the WoO series? I also think there's a little trade-off here too. Obviously the streaming stuff is likely influencing things, and with DirtVision being so expensive compared to Flo they likely don't want you to be able to watch the Outlaws on Flo, but I think there is some crossover here as well. Outlaws running High Limit can gain fans that potentially crossover to be WoO followers/DirtVision subscribers, and if Outlaws show up and win High Limit races then it reinforces the "best in the world" narrative for the Outlaws. Also, if a High Limit show is in the area of a WoO event, then extra cars coming in for the High Limit show will likely mean extra cars showing up for the nearby Outlaw show on the weekend, which increases the "hype" for the upcoming show and might sway some locals to make the drive to be in attendance for the weekend shows. As with everything though there are some potential downsides as well, for example if a High Limit show is scheduled somewhere further from an Outlaw event, then non-Outlaws might choose to go the opposite direction to the High Limit show resulting in fewer extra entries for the Outlaw round. I feel like the optics are bad for it though when the "best in the world" drivers they call the "Outlaws" are being told they can't race places. I follow the stuff pretty closely but wasn't even aware of that until 6 months ago or whatever when you mentioned it on the show. While not many know about it now, if this bubbles up a bit more and drivers start mentioning it and complaining about it more then more people will know and it could become a bigger talking point.
Justin, do you think the WOO is also resistant to their drivers appearing on Flo v Dirtvision as a reason not to allow them to run non WOO events? Personally a 2 or 3 race per season exempt clause would work. That way WOO drivers can go race at some of their favorite tracks midweek but on a very limited scale.
Fascinating show today. I think the High Limit Series would be welcomed by World Racing Group if the races were streamed on dirtvision. I love all of the racing that my subscriptions to both allow me to watch but I am sure WRG has some concern that if their drivers could be seen regularly on Flo midweek many viewers might decide subscribing to Flo only is enough. Obviously Larson’s relationship with Flo as a sponsor and the need to compliment the Racing Night in America is what helped bring this all together but it is probably also what causes the tension.
Well there are more late models around to fill all the big shows with no problem and less chance to get hurt sprint cars are less around the country so it's tough to fill the fields with 410's plus the chances of getting hurt in a sprint car is higher and this year with the price of diesel is crazy I don't know how the cars on the west coast afford that $6 plus just to get there I could be wrong but that's my opinion
With no teams the Outlaws don't have a product of control.. Let them race wherever and whenever they want, it's working out fine for the Latemodel teams.
Drivers and teams should be able to race anywhere and any series they want too! It's sad a series has that much power to limit teams from running other races! This will ruin all series! Look how many teams are out there! Nonsense I think , especially as popular as dirt racing is! If it an off night ,why do they care!
They can. Nobody is stopping a team from running every Outlaw race, every All Star race, every High Limit race, or wherever. The difference is when they sign the platinum agreement and get the extra benefits.
