Max Cushion Comparison Review: Hoka Bondi 8, Saucony Endorphin Shift 3, NB Fresh Foam More v4

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In the video I review 00:00 Bondi 8, Endorphin Shift 3, More v4 with in the mix A/B Test Runs: 04:44 Bondi to More, 08:00 More to Shift,1 0:28 Shift to Bondi and 13:04 Conclusions which for what and whom.
Written reviews with video reviews of Bondi 8 and Shift 3 also on the channel
Shift 3:
www.roadtrailrun.com/2022/08/...
Bondi 8:
www.roadtrailrun.com/2022/08/...
More v4
www.roadtrailrun.com/2022/08/...
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@CarmonaTita6 Год назад

I did not like the Bondi 8. I got them wide and went up half a size. I have a fallen arch and the Bondi 8 arc was VERY firm and caused A LOT of discomfort. I was told Hokas needed a break in time. I tried breaking them in for 2 weeks and I still felt lots of discomfort. I just bought the Fresh more V4 and I LOVE them. I love the softer cushion and the bounce it gives. I recommend the New balance over the Hokas.

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

Thanks for this valuable insight. I would agree those with low and fallen arches could struggle in Bondi while those with higher arches might like. I personally found More v4 very soft and mushy while yes Bondi firm and high arch (what I have) supportive

@jsagers2008 Год назад

@@RoadTrailRun I just got a pair of insoles to lay over that arch and no longer have the issue. I loved the overall fit and feel too much to get rid of them. Superfeet for tight fitting footwear was the model.

@AuRowe Год назад

I got a Hoka Bondi 8 as my first high quality running shoe in years. It does not disappoint. Stable but comfortable

@rwilcox_71 Год назад

Thank you so much for this in-depth review! I bought the Bondi 8s and haven't run in them yet. Saw the V4s and was torn. The softer foam seemed more attractive but overall want a little more stability and V4s seem a tad too soft. Happy running and thank you again!

@notall1196 Год назад

Just ordered my more v4 ! Can't freaking wait.

@runningman26.22 Год назад

I have 100 miles on my Bondi 8’s at this point. I am a Men’s 10.5, narrow feet with very high arches. The Bondi 8 is a super comfortable shoe. I have one pair for running and one pair for walking. Excellent on both counts. All day comfort with a full day of walking if you are considering them for that purpose. Have run in both the More v3 and Bondi 7 extensively (marathon distance and shorter). The Bondi 8 overall is improved from version 7, but they took a bit of the firmness and forefoot protection out of the update. While disappointing, I’ve had no issues so far in the first 100 miles. Will be watching as the shoe breaks down with wear to see when I start really feeling the road in my forefoot - which is critical for me to protect. This was not an issue at all in the Bondi 7. The More v3 is a great fit and very comfortable, but breaks down early - I’ve only been getting 200-250 miles in them, which makes them a poor economic choice. I have a pair of More v4 on the way. We shall see. Great review; thanks as always for the insight!

@raysollarsthehappyjogger5907 Год назад

I too have a narrow feet with high arches. I too have the Bondi 7 and More V3'S. I prefer the Bondi series and will not be getting the More V4. Thanks for your assessment.

@runningman26.22 Год назад

Follow up. 200 miles on the Bondi 8 and about 75 miles on the New Balance Fresh Foam More v4. Short answer, Bondi 8 all day. Longer answer, More v4 is a narrow shoe. I have a narrow (B) width foot, and they are a perfect fit and very comfortable. If you have a regular D width foot, you may need the wide for the extra toe box room, and if you have a wide foot, you’ll need the double wide New Balance FF More v4 (it comes in both). The shoe is great and once you find your fit, an excellent trainer. The new foam is softer than version 3, and too soft in the forefoot for me personally for anything over 10 miles. Not enough protection for these old feet. Most people won’t have an issue with it. The other feature of the Bondi 8 that I think gives it an edge is the wider forefoot that provides additional stability. Noticeably wider than the base of the More v4, even with its new wider forefoot. Overall the New Balance FF More v4 and the Hoka Bondi 8 are comparable trainers and there is not a bad choice. If you need forefoot protection, choose the Bondi 8. If you have narrow feet, the New Balance FF More v4 may be a great fit for you.

@robnet77 Год назад

@@runningman26.22 Thanks so much for following up on your initial comment. If you ever read this message, how was durability for the shoes you mentioned? Thanks again.

@runningman26.22 Год назад

@@robnet77 at 250 miles I was starting to feel the road - at 300 I retired them. Newer materials don’t always translate to better durability as you know. In general, these softer materials wear out sooner in my experience. I am typically turning over shoes at 300 miles, so this is normal for me. Cheaper to buy shoes than see the doc or worse, do damage to my knees. I am on my 5th pair of these and pretty happy with them. Good luck!

@sheylajossabethgaitanvigil5769 Год назад

Exaaaactly what I needed to know !!! THANK YOU !!!

@manuel_877 Год назад

Good morning RoadtrailRun and all the runners. Interesting and helpful comparison. Here is my like. My vote goes to Saucony endorphin shift 3. A nice week for everyone. ☀️🏃‍♂️☀️

@chu88y1 Год назад

Sam I am your biggest fan (200 Ibs.).......Prime X is narrow and that really gets me into top speed gear. Now i have to think of these as possible companions for Prime X. very helpful thanks.

@raysollarsthehappyjogger5907 Год назад

I like the Bondi Series most. I'm running in V7 and have not gotten V8 until I wear out my 7's.

@a1naruth 8 месяцев назад

Bondi are marketed as most cushioning shoes. However this doesn't mean soft and squishy, Just as this test confirms. Hokas have excellent stability and comfort, but they are quite stiff. Meanwhile More v4 are soft, plushy, quite elastic for this stack height. For me they are better, since I intend to also walk in them. Hokas AMD SC trainers seem to be made more for running

@canddgooch Год назад

Thanks for this, really topical for me right now. Interested to know how you think these would go against the Asics Glideride 3 which also seems to have a fairly similar use case and specifications?

@dukey_1337 Год назад

I had the glideride 3 at the house and it was the first shoe to make me wonder if i overpronate. It felt too soft on the inside, adding to my natural pronation. Now i am watching videos about stiffer rocker shoes.

@stevestarr9769 Год назад

That's the first Hoka I've seen that has a forefoot that can be described as wide.

@ScheKitoff Год назад

Cliftons have relatively wide and tall forefoot upper, in my case

@q20a08 Год назад

The thing about the Hokas is that even when the outsole is crazy wide, the upper can still be a bit narrow. People stuck with a seriously wide forefoot can often obtain easier mercy from New Balance.

@dukebb2274 Год назад

Does the Shift 3 run narrow like it’s predecessors?

@setshootstrike6147 Год назад

Thanks! Great overview. If you were strictly walking...with that huge stack height, does the SC Trainer feel cushier on foot than the More V4?

@samwinebaum Год назад

Thanks! Not really because of the plate in the mix.

@setshootstrike6147 Год назад

@@samwinebaum Great ! Thanks for the advice!!

@BenjaminHo78 Год назад

I have moderately wide feet and slight stability needs and am wearing Hoka Arahi 5 with a semi-rigid orthotic in it at the moment. Will much stability would the More V4 provide and would it be suitable to have an orthotic in it?

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

It might take an orthotic but if coming from Arahi I might steer you towards the Bondi 8 in a suitable width

@fireman3857 Год назад

Hokas are not cushioned, they absorb no impact. Its like taping Styrofoam to the bottom of a shoe. I think Dutch klompe has more cushioning. I fell for the gimmick but every other company makes more cushioned shoes, except Altra they are just as guilty of false advertising

@jonathanmatthew5631 Год назад

Im using the NB 1080v12. If i will be using it mainly for walking, is the More v4 much better? I want a really comfortable/soft shoe that would protect my knees. Also, if im size 12 wide (2E) on the 1080v12, should i get the same size for the more v4? Thanks.

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

I would prefer More for walking. As far as width More is wider in “regular” than 1080.

@rxonmymind8362 11 месяцев назад

Get the NB super comp training shoes. My knees are shot as in no cartilage in either knees. Super big stack height shoes and squishy heals and fire foot. Walking in the street for the first time in years because of these shoes.

@TolunayOrkun Год назад

I think Shift is a decent shoe, but I don't think it really fits with rest of Endorphin Lineup. I personally think Tempus (despite being sold as a light stability shoe) fits better as a non-plated sporting some PWRRUN PB in the lineup.

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

Given new character of Shift 3 tend to agree but as an easy long day shoe it has a place.

@ptlewis2000 Год назад

@@RoadTrailRun But the Tempus doesn't have the rocker of the Endorphin line. So the Shift still has it's place in my opinion as a daily, easy long, recovery shoe with rocker.

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

@@ptlewis2000 Shift 3 has not much more rocker than Tempus

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

@@ptlewis2000 although Shift 3 would be a nice recovery shoe. Shift 2 not so much

@ptlewis2000 Год назад

@@RoadTrailRun Good to know.

@philcupper Год назад

I can’t imagine running in two separate stack height shoes being good for the body. No issues testing it like that?

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

No issues. After testing individually a few miles with one on each foot at moderate paces really highlights differences including drop

@dextersuarez9948 Год назад

I don’t know man I keep trying to convince myself I need a “recovery shoe” I run all my training in a Speed 2 and race in a Vaporfly, Is it really worth getting one of these big clunky shoes for longer miles? Or is that just a marketing thing for a shoe that’s probably just nice to walk in.

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

If you are all set no need but given the 2 you mention you might consider Shift 2 or 3

@dextersuarez9948 Год назад

@@RoadTrailRun thanks, I’ll consider trying it out

@yankaitan8648 Год назад

You will appreciate a thicker daily trainer for sure, especially on days where u feel crappy. Its more bang for ur buck too, last way longer than any lightweight trainer or racer

@alijaber9855 Год назад

Which one has the softest foam please ? I want to buy one of these and I dont want to feel like I'm stepping on a hard brick 🙏

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

I would say the Fresh Foam More v4

@rxonmymind8362 11 месяцев назад

Better than the frag foam is the NB super comp training shoes. AMAZING squish and responsiveness. Better than the Nike Invincible IMHO.

@hum-dinger2453 Год назад

does anyone have the bondi 8 and the more v4 in 4EE? are they similiar?? which one is wider? which hugs the foot snugger??

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

I have only run the regular widths of both but based on upper construction I am pretty sure Bondi 8 will be more supportive

@filoIII 11 месяцев назад

Bondi has always been a bit firm. Compare firmness of the Shift.

@bengardner9862 Год назад

Would you prefer the Shift 3 or the Glideride 3?

@samwinebaum Год назад

Glide Ride 3 for me

@ptlewis2000 Год назад

@@samwinebaum Glide Ride 3 or Hoka Bondi considering moderate stability needs?

@uglyfate1326 Год назад

Which one is better for just walking all day long?

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

Bondi 8 would be my pick of the 3

@uglyfate1326 Год назад

Thanks! I was little worried cuz of Bondi 8 eva midsole whish is whould be a clear step down compared to the others two.

@Ben-qb4lj Год назад

I got the shifts last year because of all the buzz, I'm a bodybuilder (free videos if you want on my channel.. no steroids).so I wanted max cushion. The shift 1s are LITERALLY like a brick (pwrun). I have to use insoles for softness. The fit is great, but I don't understand why it's so hard! Why all the hard cushion?

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

Not intended to be a soft shoe v2, it’s an uptempo long run trainer so responsive . V3 is softer. Suggest something like Bondi 8 or new Mizuno Neo Ultra or NB More v4

@rxonmymind8362 11 месяцев назад

If you want squishy shoes New Balance super comp training shoes is my #1 pic. Then Nike Invincible. My two cents on owning these shoes.

@simonedimarzio2557 Год назад

As a More V3 user I'm concerned about the grip of the outsole of the V4, especially looking at the next rainy season.

@sammatsusaka823 Год назад

BUT, all Hoka's loose the bounce after a while. (Like a car tire, it slowly looses air)

@davidrosenthal5795 Год назад

I don’t feel like my Hokas lose their cushion any faster than other brands.

@mrsatter5575 Год назад

does the shift 3 foam feel like the ride 15 foam especially after break-in?

@samwinebaum Год назад

It does

@DDDDD760 Год назад

I wanted/needed to watch and listen to this, but their are so many “ah(s)” that I couldn’t make it through.

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

Sorry about that..

@DDDDD760 Год назад

@@RoadTrailRun It's incredibly and ultimately excruciatingly distracting.

@theflyerpr40d Год назад

Is the foam on the Bondi 8 the same as Bondi 7? I did not liked the feel of the Bondi 7 compared to the More V3. And do you know if the Foam in the More V4 is softer than V3? Thanks!

@RoadTrailRun Год назад

I did not run Bondi 7 but foam is supposed to be lighter and softer. See our written review where fellow reviewer Jeff has run both and compares: www.roadtrailrun.com/2022/08/hoka-bondi-8-review-og-max-cushion-road.html