Maximize Shot Power - Rocket Science #20 

It has been way too long since the last video. Sorry about that. But I'm back and the semester is over so you can expect significantly more content in the foreseeable future.

You need an in-game title called “the scientist” or something

1:33 „If I want to hit the ball, I align myself between the ball and the goal and hit it“ That makes sense, now I understand why I always miss!!!

You know what would be a good idea? The science of PINCHES! Like optimal pinches, the best way to orient your car for a pinch, etc. It would seem very interesting to know and to be able to replicate a good pinch all the time.

9:30 Dude you need to release that spin mod so Rizzle, Sizzle and Jizzle can play it.

This is why fast aerials are so good, even when you don't have a dodge at the end if you can hit the ball right in the middle it doesnt' really matter that you didn't have a dodge, and being quicker to the ball means you'll be in a better position to hit the ball wherever you want.

5:00 fake physics off *car floats through the air*

This is so complicated it's almost rocket science

"if they could spin faster" lol... those clips of the insane rotation were great

Great write-up; as an engineer I really appreciate the analysis. It doesn't reference but does explain why waiting for the ball to hit the ground before impacting it causes a boomer while hitting it directly is a much weaker touch: the velocity arrow reverses direction once it hits the ground, compounding them on impact rather than canceling them if hit straight on. Again, well done and subscribed!

Welcome back dude, all your videos are super educational and interesting. I’m glad your gonna be uploading more

I've also found out there is force applied to the ball when doing 50/50s. When approaching a 50/50, if you apply more force than your opponent, the ball will apply force through your opponents hitbox, potentially going through dependent on the amount of force applied. If both parties apply equal or close to equal force, that ball travels the path of least resistance and you have a good 50/50. Idk if you've done a video on 50/50s but, you should definitely research and take an in-depth look at the science of 50/50s. I'll follow if you do/did.

This video made me change my entire way to control the ball in-game, nice.

Ahhh, it makes so much more sense why musty flicks or reverse 45° do much better.

My goodness, this video was amazing! I'll need to watch it carefully a couple more times to fully understand the "fake physics" concept, but apart from that, I got the point. Thanks a lot for these videos!

And that's why musty flicks and reverse 45s get such insane power when performed perfectly. I don't know why I didn't think about the center of mass. My original thought would have meant forward dodge flicks can get equal power as those, but that's simply not what actually occurs.

Very nice video again. Love the way you make formal analysis from logical/as scientist point of view ^^

Who knew such a simple yet fun game could be so technical

_It's been 3000 thousand years._

This makes so much sense. I always thought the physics engine felt quite realistic when I was just playing with the ball at low speeds. It was also obvious that angle and angular velocity made a difference to the hit power and direction.

Thank you so much for these videos. Amazing work!

This is more fun than science in school, ypu exclpain everything as understandful as possible!

I like flipping to ensure I have a good recovery as well, but I've been an advocate for "double jump" shots when you're lined up nicely for a straight shot.

Incredible video!

9:30 I want to play this mod so bad

Great video as always!

Welcome back bud*

He’s baaaaack

Yay welcome back!

boi is back! welcome we missed you bro.

your 180 flicks are dope :D

This shit is amazing. Thank you for taking the time to do this.

You’re flicks are beautiful

this information worth millions

This video is amazing

I would have liked to see experiments done where the dodge is done right as ball contact is made.

I hope this video dont get under rated, because this is one of the best information videos ever made of this game

aaaaaaaaand he's back!

You're a God.

super fast spinny car made me LOL

Always gold

Moral of the story: you're probably hitting it right, but for the wrong reasons.

The best.

The reason dodging gives more speed is because when you dodge from the center of an axis, you don’t gain any relative velocity. But because the car has length, it’s easy to see that the speed is in fact increased when you rotate towards it. Think about the spinning teacups at all the amusement parks

Waiting for Squishy to pull off that x10 Dodge

so the mognus flick is more effective then a regular flick! mognus was right all along

So what about ball alignment and ball rotation, how will this affect if I need to dodge or not?

Its so cool to see logical analytics of a game i know so well. Its so validating lol! PS - im pretty sure that doubles game was altruisim and I (which would be so cool if it was true, I want to say its me bc that stocktane was playing like a potato). I must not have recognized you at the time. Thanks for all the great content!

nice

Just recently I've been noticing my car continues to rotate forward or backward in the air significantly after i let go of the stick. My friend said he has noticed the same thing. Has there been a physics change, are both our controllers having issues, or am i just now noticing something that has always been there? We are both playing on xbox one with a wireless controller if that's relevant. I first noticed it whilst using an artemis gxt but i tested it on octane and it works similarly.

You're still doing these? Awesome!

hold up, if the ball is coming at you and you plan on "doinking" it backwards, does it get MORE power if you are going faster towards the ball, even though you plan on hitting it backwards??

rocket science guy, what about pinches??

Hey I have a question that you could probably answer with your testing. Do you said there is a slight difference in shot power between cars like the breakout and octane because if the length of the car and how on a diagonal dodge the breakout is longer from the center of gravity to the corner, making it spin technically faster. The only thing is, breakout is a thinner hitbox. So when hitting the ball with a diagonal dodge, your car itself will not gain as much speed as the octane when diagonal dodging into the ball because octane is wider. Hitting the ball with a diagonal dodge with octane or bat mobile means that your car will gain more speed, hitting the ball harder than say breakout because to get good contact with octane you have to flip more diagonally than breakout because breakout is thinner so you flip more forward to hit the corner properly, while octane or bat mobile, because the hitbox is wider, flip more diagonally, which speeds up the car more than a forward flip. You said that the more you aproach the diagonal angle the more speed you get from a dodge. My question is. Is the extra length of breakout better for power shots at lower speed or is the octanes wider hitbox, which allows it to hit with the corner of the car and get closer to the diagonal angle which increases the speed of the car, better at lower speeds? If not at top speed, what car is best at booming because of the hitbox? Basically what I’m saying is breakout is longer so it physically rotates faster, hitting the ball harder, but to pick up the most speed at low velocity diagonal dodges are the best to hit the ball with, like you said. So wouldn’t Octane or batmobile hit the ball harder, because the corners of the car are closer to that diagonal angle which gets you speed when you flip, so diagonal flips make better contact? Which is actually more effective, the car itself spinning slightly faster to hit the ball, or the car moving slightly faster? Thanks!

to add to this and would be cool if was also tested is. i think boomers from a flip just hitting it not a flick. also have a chance for 2 touches and if timed perfectly that is what give you alot of the extra power something that caint really be done at super sonic speed but for example if you touch the ball rite before super sonic speed and then flip into super sonic speed and tuch emditialy after with the start of your flip i think you can get to tuches in creating maximum power witch is the only way the flip actually is better from your statement if that is true. all most like for a 10ths of a millisecond you caught the ball like you where to start an air dribble but then immediately flip rite after seeming to us with the naked eye the exact same time as contact but in reality my hypothesis is u hit it once normally then hit it with he thrust of your flip rite after it would be interesting to know if this is realistic in the correct scenario or no matter how well timed the thrust from your flip is you will not catch up to the ball. i know for sure i have roll flipped into the ball and have see 2 tuches on my car allmost like i flicked the ball with the front of my car with the front left and front right side of the car so side to side rather then front to back. I think flipping at the ball deffinetly can result in 2 tuches off the front of your car propelling it like a flick would and thats where i think part of where "hit it with the corner of your car" comes from. being positioned correctly and flipping correctly could result in 2 tuches i would say it most likly happens when you do a crossover shot when you and the ball are both going to the right side of the field and aproching each other at the same speed and you shoot left with correct posting im pritty sure u get 2 tuches off of it. 1 on the side your car is closet to the ball on the initial tuch then the flip comes faster then a blink of an eye and get another and the side furthest from the ball. i think with the correct angle this does happen but a straight on hit makes it hard or impossible for your short spped burst in flip to catch you back up to it. kinda hard to explain but is like your 1st tuch can just nic the ball then you flip to get your angle or line vectors up perfectly and cause a 2nd touch.

"Center of maaaahs"

Poggers for God..

are visionary wheels ever going to get fixed?

So using science it's proven that the reverse-45 degree flick is on average the best? Basically because you want to smoothly roll it over as much surface area as possible with as many touches as possible, and because the hitbox naturally prefers backflips.

Amaizin

you say that the 2 points of collision have to have the same velocity, but aren't there many ways in which a point on the ball can have a velocity? like you could increase the rotational speed and decrease the linear speed of the point and you would end up with the same vector. could you clarify?

hi, how can you restart the ball on your car in training ? is it an add on ?

3:50 can the ball move with enough force that it pushes the car in the direction it is travelling?

can you do one on freestyling

Another thing with dodging, it can change the ball direction

Correct me if i am wrong but I belive 45 degree flicks get 3 touches when jumping, starting the flip, and to get the final hit.

I saw boomer science and thought this was going to be advice for older players like myself :(

What about air roll shots?

I don’t understand 4:53 . Please could someone explain.

i wanna try rocket league with realistic physics

Am I the only one that says “OK boomer” when someone hits a boomer lmao

Do a musty 2.0 flip 9:33

I know you are not a fan, but would it be possible to get a rumble power Ups analysis?

Any potato brains who understood nothing but hit the like anyway and just went with it?

hey ! i was wondering , why is it easier to air dribble with some cars like the breakout ?

If there is any chance to update this video, would be great.

This game would be so much more difficult if ball spin was taken into the physics engine

I was trying to dodge this video but it just boomed into my net

i thought breakout had a small hit box... I thought like batmobile had a longuer one

What about pinches

Hey Rocket Science, love your vids, but I wish you could’ve talked about diagonal half flips (basically diagonal flips cancelled early) and why they give so much power.

THANK YOU!!!!! i have worked very hard to hit the ball accurately and often fail. I've been hitting it as close to realistc as possible, thinking if i hit it with the corner and at specific angle it will react and never understood why it was off! I NEVER would have thought that they have this retard adjustment for idiots that think the center of their car is somehow what is hitting the ball. Obviously that's fuckin stupid and i wish they didn't do that. I'll just play like a drooling idiot that doesnt think as hard from now on!!!!!!! This is very frustrating. Punished for doing the more accurate action is what this is. Very disappointing that they designed it like this. Thank you for pointing this out, it changes the entire way i will have to play from no on!

You just dodged on the "off axis" slide to align your car horizontally with the target ??

If you aren't wackyjacky you must be related

boomers be like damn videogames

I really hate this phsyics. I often expect the ball to go a certain way because of how I angle the car and not the camera...

2160p60 - my laptop was melting lol

So, don't dodge on kickoffs? Got it!

Does it affect the strength of the hit if the ball is already spinning before the impact? Let's be honest, in actual games you have to deal with what you get from the other players and none of your experiments seem to include balls that spin before contact.

Boomer Science

Hmm

ok boomer

Hi.(Sorry for my poor english)

Does Psyonix even understand how Rocket League works?

i know you have made a video on lag/connections, but it would be cool for you to test DNS and see how much of a difference it makes for rocket league latency

Ok boomer

Or just always cancel the dodge

Do you get paid by word count?

Du bist deutsch, oder?

1:02 this is what makes Nexto practically an exploit. The flicks and ball control leverage the fake physics to do stuff that makes 0 sense. The normal being based on center of mass is like having a magnet in the car. I know it would be much more expensive but...hitboxes with more detail would let the normal be based on geometry... Real physics are much more predictable I disagree with that assertion. They're just a billion times more expensive. Having a rectangle box hitbox would be what would make actual physics be janky. Ideally it would be the average of a detailed hitbox normal combined with center of mass normal...lol. Would require supercomputers for server and client.