Norris being able to keep the Mercedes with softs behind him despite being on hards is super impressive. I was sure both McLarens were gonna fall behind right after the restart.
Yes, but the Mercedes had used softs, not new ones. With new ones it might have been a different story, especially on the first two laps of the restart that Hamilton was all over Norris. But after Lando got his tires warmed up he was gone. Also fairly at the same time Hamilton's softs started suffering with overheating because of all the fighting, so he had to back off or he would lose the place to Piastri on the long run. But the updates worked, which is awesome to see. the more teams start understanding how to catch up RB, the better. It would be nice if 2024 was far more competitive with several teams fighting for the titles. And since I don't trust Ferrari will do it, it's nice to see other teams gaining performance.
Must've felt weird for Hamilton to watch a chrome McLaren blaze around Silverstone like that. Like a strange deja vu, except from someone else's perspective.
@@awaaljowderLH only overtoook one driver; Alonso. Everything else was a gift handed to him by the safety car gods. Should have honestly been Piastri’s maiden podium.
@@MP422ownz ad hominem bro. Still doesn’t change the fact that LH benefited the most from luck out of any driver yesterday. Silverstone is probably not a track where a safety car is guaranteed anyways.
As a lifelong McLaren fan, it's great to see them competing again and I hope they can continue to develop. It's a pity the Red Bull is dominant on all tracks rather than having strengths and weaknesses. If the RB was also weaker in some places, this would be an incredible season.
They just have the perfect car design. Such a wide operating window. It's crazy how they can just dominate completely different tracks like, Silverstone, Monaco, and Baku. Even in Mercedes dominance their cars had weaknesses, never really being that good around Austria Redbull ring, hot climate tracks with the tyres or even Monaco sometimes.
RB are weaker at certain tracks. Monaco, Australia, Silverstone, Canada etc weren‘t that insanely dominant for them. Max and RB simply put everything together every single race weekend in a fashion that we‘ve probably never seen before, not even from Ferrari in the Schumacher era. They are the best team that I‘ve ever seen operationally
RB weakness are in the slow speed corner, but their weakness are not as severe as McLaren or other team, and they have monster top speed to compensate that. So in the track that dominate by slow speed corner and short straight they can be challenge like we see in Monaco.
Formula 1 is dead. It's just a money and influence and political game right now. No real motorsports, just pure drama and theatre. GT3 racing and endurance racing where the real motorsports spirit is.
@@harry4454 But then, most of the tracks are closer to Barcelona and Silverstone than hungary. One thing also people don't talk Mclaren solved a bit, they were very slow on straight line speed and they have been very good in the long straight of Silverstone.
the aston martin isn't good on high speed front limited circuits,their strengths comes from their very good rear end that powers them out of corners and benefits them at medium speed corners,thats why they were very good in monaco and canada and more,meanwhile in austria, silverstone and spain has many high speed front limited corners that exposes their weakness,hungary with its slow to medium speed corners should in theory suit them
I've watched F1 for 30 yesrs and Oscar's race was one of the best debut season drives I've ever seen. He absolutely maximised the package he had and was unlucky to not get P3. He barely put a foot wrong. Unbelievable.
I have also watched for over 30 years and he is doing a great job and mostly keeping up with Lando, who is blisteringly fast. I'm so happy McLaren now have a car that is at least competitive and races will be more interesting.
i wonder to what degree simracing does help out, in organising a broader sense of awareness. In short: is damagecontrole awareness better imprinted at this generation? Impressed how Piastri is not nervous in a nervous car and also not in a new setting. I saw more clean racing of him than today. Yeah great addition.
the way he got in Max's way to free Lando without being a buffoon about it those first couple laps alone was really impressive, a lot of rookies would have botched it with that assignment and he did really well to both accomplish that and hang on in 3rd (and then 4th after the SC)
I think people should wait for a race or 2 before claiming that x or y team will challenge redbull because almost every team on the grid has been poised as challenging redbull, only to falter the next race because suddenly another team is the best of the rest. As Max said, he’s benefitting because the best of the rest is constantly changing and they’re just taking points off each other.
Nobody should be thinking red bull will lose the WDC or WCC. By challenge, we mean be competitive against on future weekends. The championship won't be contested until at least next year. Talking about points right now is meaningless.
I love seeing mclaren come alive like they did, but seeing how quickly they were able to get tires up to temp compared to others still makes me wonder how they will do on more wear heavy tracks or warmer conditions. But I really hope they're able to keep this pace from now on.
yeah? hmm to me it looked asif it was a discarded episode of starwars. XD Yeah only thing creating a difference between Lando and a student-mechanic was his bottle of champagne. XD
This tells you a lot of how good the chassis is. Even without a state of the art windtunnel they have been able to develop it quite well. Also keep in mind that only Red Bull and Mclaren are the only cars with a front pull rod rear pushrod suspension configuration (everyone else keep the previous push rod/pull rod or some other variant). since the suspension arms deflect the air below/over the car is not surprise copying the RB style will have additional benefits. One of the issues I have is how much of the improvement was due to the new tyre construction and/or how much this change damage Merc/AM/Ferrari? Hungary will be a big test for them.
Lando ran a lesser downforce setup for the Silverstone weekend, so we probably didn't really even see a time gain from it, or at least not to it's full potential. I expect we'll see how this affects downforce at Hungary.
So basically now, as long as mclaren and williams keep up their pace, 2nd to 10th is basically just going to be track specific regarding what team is 2nd behind red bull and max
@@e.lake13 But the chrome is for Mercedes and McLaren are not sponsored by Mercedes anymore? Hence the shift from the chrome livery to dark grey and red livery during the 2015 season, even under Ron Dennis.
What we get in this UK Grand Prix is 1. McLaren Improvement in strategy and Development. 2. Mercedes Lucky Safety Cars and they gain advantage in this case 3. Ferrari Strategy backfire again 4. Albon Driver Master Class win against Ferrari and Alphine 5. Aston Martin the early advantage come to halt 6. Logans Almost got score 1 point for William 7. Perez still perez he got confident again and he use the advantage of Redbull car well
@@hunterreeves6525I don't know if they've got another upgrade coming, maybe they've switched focus to 2024 given the aero testing scale has changed for them jumping P7 to P2/P3 in constructor.
Mclaren has another last 25% upgrade schedule for Hungary for its mechanical grip. Something most don't talk about, Mclaren is the only team with Redbull with the push rod suspension since last year. They had very good tire wear in this race, even lando's engineer was always asking Lando how was his tires.
Ferrari strategy backfire AGAIN. I'm basically watching F1 lately just to see how Ferrari can stuff things up and throw it away. If they had competent management they could have been seriously challenging for the championship last year but all the strategy and mechanical fails meant they didn't even get close. Leclerc is a proper talent, if he was in a competent team he'd be killing it. Versappen, Leclerc, and Norris are the 3 best drivers in the field atm, if we ever end up with 2 of them in the one team they will be unstoppable, as long as that team isn't Ferrari.
The simplification of the top of floor geometry suggests they can now rely on the airflow itself rather than having to introduce directionality and vorticity to get air cleanly to the diffuser end - this should make the car more controllable and presumably the front wing changes are also related. If they have a more stable platform for turn-in it would represent massive upgrade even without adding raw pace, but the two combined is a quantum leap
See I'm a die hard Lewis fan but I've always been a huge fan of McLaren ever since I was a kid back in the Schumacher days in the Ferrari & to see McLaren slowly coming back is great same with Williams still a very long way to go tho because we've seen both get close but slip back again but I think all the changes in both teams is amazing & I hope to see McLaren & Williams back at the front where they belong
Sad that Piastri wasn't able to clinch a podium in Silverstone. But if Mclaren continue like this in progress, he'll get another shot in the near future. Lando could be on his way to get another podium as well if conditions are right.
It's the tires; Pirelli made re-inforced tires for this GP, in addition to the fact that three hardest compounds were used. This allowed McLaren to exploit the upgrades and hide that they were very hard on the tires. In some other tires configuration, they would probably drop 7-8-9 positions back as all those cars more stable on any compound overtake them. Its great to see them back.
Impressive how close Piastri was to Norris. That gap between them pretty much equates to the new front wing. Although i think Norris will be a little further ahead in Hungary at a more technical track. Piastri is a huge talent, i firmly believe Mclaren have the best lineup long term on the grid
As a dedicated McLaren fan who's with them in good and ill this is incredibly gratifying to see. Now i hope they can keep this progress going with the new wind tunnel due to be finished this year. Great job Zak and co! And great job Norris and Piastri!
+1. Dont get the Zak hate - he's a brash character for sure but his job is getting the resources the team needs, so he's chasing sponsors, and being very successful at it. He's not the team principal - which makes me wonder if Seidl, as nice a guy as he seems, was actually not that good at the job. With Stella and the new people in place next year, and the new wind-tunnel etc paid for by Zak's fundraising and on-line, maybe we can dare to dream
@@OscarTahr the rumor on the grape vine is that Seidl occasionally got bouts of analysis-paralysis, over analyzing a problem to find a solution instead of just starting over when something doesn't work. Stella seems to avoid that
@@trymetal95 Thanks, interesting. Fits with the impression I got of Seidl, quite the ‘engineering geek’ in a nice way. Seemed a hell of a nice bloke but results count. Zak’s happy with attention so guess that makes him a target for criticism.
If you remove Max, this is a genuinely amazing season in terms of whose at the top. At one point it was Aston, then Merc came back for a bit, then now McLaren. At this rate we might even see Williams be the car behind max at Monza.
INCLUDING MAX'S INCREDIBLE DRIVING IN THE RB19, this is an exciting year to see other teams making progess and shine on different tracks. CHECO....DRIVES THE RB19 as well, remember..... where is he???
Right now Norris is the obvious team leader. However, Piastri is surely only going to improve over the coming years. I wonder if Norris will start to feel more threatened by Piastri. Next season will be interesting, particularly if Piastri takes another step in his development.
I don't think people quite realize just how good Piastri is yet. It's his rookie season and he's already competitive with Norris, who's probably the 4th or 5th best driver on the grid right now. Piastri has the potential to be the next Verstappen or Hamilton. He's going to be freakin' scary.
Saturday showed me that DRS should be disabled during qualifying regardless of conditions, it’s an overtaking tool, and there is functionally no actual overtaking happening in qualy. Obviously not something the fia would just up and do, but with how well q1 and q2 went. I think they definitely should.
😂😂😂 new to F1?? DRS is part of the car. Just like tyre chose and set up, each driver/team has the same options. If you want a better DRS......DESIGN IT!
I hope these are the first real signs of all the teams getting closer together in terms of performance and the decade old idea of there being a few "top teams" that can fight for a win while the rest don't stand a chance slowly goes away and everyone gets their moment in the sun once in a while. That is of course, once they've managed to catch up with Red Bull.
It’s very encouraging just how many teams can be fighting for the podium and for the last few points. It’s just a shame there’s only one that’s winning
Honestly, I have zero idea why race control called for a virtual safety car when there was an bbq on the race track! As if you could send marshalls on track to put out the fire and tow the car under a virtual. It ruined a chance for Oscar to be on the podium.
Stick with the chrome. Worth a second a lap ;-) The new wind tunnel is paying off. Piastri looks like a real talent. Hamilton must have got deja vu, he won the title with a chrome McLaren in 2008.
Theyve already said the low speed corners are where theyre very much lacking, the high speed corners are where they gain time and thats what silverstone has a lot of
I think in Hungary we'll see Aston move back up towards the front, maybe Mercedes too, but I honestly think that McLaren might well be on par with Ferrari from this point on. I'm sure there will be races where we see Alpine further up too, but they overall see to be off the back of the front group where McLaren will be firmly inside that group going forward.
Although i love McLaren coming back, they are very slow in low speed corners. Thankfully the rest of the calendar consists mainly in high speed circuits.
Probably. AMs are very fast on slow corners, which Hungary track is famous for. Lando said this on post race debrief. “But we do have a poor car - and I say poor, I would say pretty terrible - in the slow-speed corners, extremely difficult to drive. I feel we’re getting excited and I accept that, but we're going to go to a couple of tracks coming up where I'm sure people are going to be saying, ‘What have you done now? How has it got so bad all of a sudden?!’
Time will tell if these upgrades are track specific, but brilliant to see McLaren making some ground up after mishaps from earlier this year. Even if it does become track sensitive there's a handful of circuits similar to Silverstone where they could get into the podium spots again (spa, Monza and cota come to mind)
In the graphic at 8mins 48s, are Merc & Aston Martin the wrong way round? The bar for Merc is British Racing Green, whereas that for AM is turquoise blue.
Doesn’t this just highlight how poor alpine/Renault have been for years can’t remember a time when weve seen actual progress from them even tho theyve spent hundreds of millions over the years
Gotta admit that MaClaren have taken great steps in development a lot quicker than any other team where as Ferrari have gone backwards in development and is looking more like a paper tiger.
@@cayden2744 no he wouldn't have and you know it and even so DRS *is a thing* and it doesn't even benefit the car in first the hard tire was the better option after a few laps as well once it got up to temperature this was a fraction of the race as well; prior to the safety car the red bull comfortably pulled ahead by 9 seconds on the same tire and would've probably finished the race 15+ seconds ahead what a ridiculous argument
@@JuliusBriggs That's false. Max wouldn't even overtake Norris so early if it wasn't for the DRS, RB19 has ridiculous DRS efficiency aswell so that adds up. "Would have finished with 15s gap" but finished with less than 4s, so what?
How they’ve made this big a leap in the era of the cost cap, CFD testing limits, and wind tunnel limits, without the 2026 wind tunnel upgrades, I have no idea.
You know, first of all engineers have to have good ideas. All the tools come after that. They are important, no question, but there still has to sit the right person in front of the screen
Mclaren having a car like this will really make them a good opponent for the other teams especially in the constructor's championship. Norris and Piastri are very equal in performance especially compared to the other teams they fight with at least in terms of scoring or placement. But especially thinking of Alpine as closest rival at the moment. In comparison to Alpine Mclaren have better consistency in its drivers, imo.
😂😂 Max had an easy overtake cos he was faster, he opened the gap with 0.2, 0.3, 0.5sec each lap.... with DRS it was more clean overtake. And Lando couldnt stay in DRS and use it to overtake Max. That says it all.
I'm cautiously optimistic about these upgrades. This could just be a flash in the pan. But it feels different. Between Aston Martins early performance, Williams exceeding expectations, and now McLarens seemingly real speed... What an exciting season even with red bull so dominant. Bad season for Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, and alpha tauri fans.
Is Red Bull so dominate or is it just Verstappen. Perez has definitely struggled to get through the pack lately which is showing the other teams are really improving. Verstappen right now is just in a league of his own. He's been so good at putting out enough speed to pull away from the pack but not abuse the tires.
They said they had more downforce cause they put more wing on to help them go through low and mid speed corners, lando said his ability to get out of turn 6 Luffield faster than Hamilton, was the only reason he stayed ahead. If they can repeat the feat in Hungary then we’ll know they’re onto something. Piastri stayed up with Norris despite not having the new front wing.
Tbh they did the right thing with the hard tyre. They started dominating at a nice speed and pace. When everybody took the pit stop from the when the emergency car came out they all had new tires, they had to warm them up while Norris already had his tires not only warmed up but worn to a soft level tyre. As long as he didn’t crashed or the car didn’t gave up he literally did everything right to win even tho he got 2nd place. I’m still happy with his results.
Hilarious! Five minutes ago, everyone was talking about how "Aston Martin is the new king of the hill (After Red Bull of course), now it's McLaren. Sure, McLaren made great strides forward and that is evident not so much by Norris's ending at #2 on the podium, but more so by a rookie Oscar Piastri almost making it to # 3. However, this year shows that the competitiveness of the field keep it pretty much open. Yesterday it was Aston Martin, today it's McLaren, and who know who it's going to be next time...
Whatever the name is of the bloke that designed the scallop/gutter/groove on the Ferrari for last year definitely deserves some praise for thinking about it before everyone else
I spoke to my contact in the racing team and they said the performance upgrade was a result of a lot of work from the team. Its basically a completely different car. You point out a lot in the video and that is probably what was meant. So I am not sure if McLaren were just slightly lucky or their tweaks were a result of intense design wizardry, what ever it was im so happy to be a McLaren fan. I won't lie, this season has been tough to watch up until now. My excitement is back, well done mclaren
The hardest compound of pirelli for this weekend was tricky to use for most of the grid but when we saw Hamilton on the soft unable to overtake Norris on the hards, it made me question the upgrade that the Mclaren took in a good way
All aboard the McLaren hype train 🧡🚆 I genuinely thought Mika Hakkinen had been at the G&T a bit too heavily of late but on this basis that orange wheelbarrow might make a decent car after all!!
I think bar Max in the RB, all of these "best of the rest" team candidates are strong in some track or other, just like how Aston and merc were absolutely flying in Canada but Ferrari and Mclaren were the stronger team last weekend and Mclaren and Merc were very fast this time around.
