Watch here to see how the new McLaren MP4-12C compares with the older, more focused F1 racer. In a rare opportunity, Steve Sutcliffe takes them both on track to see where the similarities start and the differences end.
@@guguigugu So you're saying the new GMA T.50 doesn't have those? Let's admit it, McLaren made a stupid design by committee car with the MP4-12C that can't hold a candle to the F1, same with all their other road cars.
i think the mclaren f1 is better than the Bugatti, even tho its like the new king just because you can allways make a faster car, but like the era when mclaren f1 was the best were better
Isaiah Gonzales ye ppl dont give that car enuf cred, cos its based on a lotus body, rather than its own body but its so much cooler looking than a lotus
I wish it was still the fastest car with 3 pedals on the floor (that's important), but easily held in a higher regard than most modern supercars 20 years after the XP1 first started demolishing records.
imagine a top gear episode where all they do is make lap times with old supercars, Jaguar xj220/s, Porche 959, Ferrari F40/50/Enzo, Bugatti eb110, Lamboghini Diablo/Countach/Miura....... etc. etc.
the mclaren f1 is the tip top of my dream car list. i have dream cars for every possible life direction i could take, and if I'm a successful person, then the f1 will be the car i'd die in. but today, i "own" a 997, sitting at a bmw dealer...
Actually that Mclaren was the GRR limited edition built after we won Le Mans in 1995. We made 5 off commemorative editions an sold them for about £780k instead of the £540k of the standard car. The real LM car had a roll cage, restrictors on the engine and even lead in the passenger's footwell as it was underweight. I thinlk we got it down to 900kg. That orange car wasnt built to the same standard as the race car as we beefed up certain bits to improve reliability.
He's just showing how the F1's design is immortal, it is so beautiful even today because it's not set to any time period, it doesn't look to 90's and could even look modern today.
I believe the standard F1 would beat the new car by the same margin or more on a dry track with a pro driver. Even the standard F1 requires much more skill than the new car to drive quickly. The new car would not even be close to the F1 LM on a dry track. The new car is super or hyper, but the old one is a brutal monster.
I would like to have seen the *non-racing* (production) McLaren F1 versus the MP4-12C...how do they compare? I would think the new car would be somewhat faster.
Doubt it! The production F1 is still nearly half a ton lighter and has fan-assisted aero. McLaren themselves said the MP4 was not a successor to the F1 (we now know that's the P1) and is their "entry-level" Macca
The road car would be considerably slower than the track car round the track, and the track car ONLY JUST beat the MP4, so the road car would probably loose the MP4
Thought they were going to compare it to the regular F1. OBVIOUSLY the GTR destroys the 12C. I would compare the F1 GTR to the regular P1 see how they compare
it actually is more likely a 95 or 96 F1 GTR converted to road spec and painted orange like the LMs. I think there are only 2 LMs out of 5 in public, the other 3 are owned by the sultan of brunei.
@@theacehd1742 P1 GTR is slower than a 2015 GT3 car around Red Bull Ring, which is around the same pace or slightly slower than 96 F1 GTR ran per lap in qualifying trim. Long tail is much faster than both. P1 GTR isn't as much track focused as a real race car. Though if you are talking about a drag race, maybe P1 GTR would win.
We were in Italy in April. Went to the Ferrari museum in Maranello. They had 2 F40's there. One was a works race version which had around 750hp. We were also in Bologna when the Lamborghini Grand tour passed through. 350 amazing cars. These cars are rare in NZ. Although one of our Pizza franchises uses a Diablo as a delivery vehicle.
Bo Huggabee the thing is: The F1 was a car that completely relying on the driver like the Ferrari F40. Which made it much lighter and quicker at corners(RWD has a huge effect on corners. MP4 is AWD) And the important thing is power:weight ratio and weight distribution. The F1 has the driver seat in the middle to distribute the weight equally to both sides of the car which affects cornering. In the end: RWD, Light construction and high power, good aerodynamics and weight distribution are the specifications that made the F1 faster.
@89ford150302 Actually, MCLAREN uses the "top gear test track". The whole development process of the MP4-12C was made around that track. So pretty much every tv program that had acess to the MP4 so far was recorded on that track.
Very misleading video. As Sammy A. has said, "where is the "takes on" part?" There is no comparison of the two vehicles, other than a few words on the F1. It's also filmed on the top gear test track. I imagined it very difficult to balls up a video on two great mclaren cars, but you guys did it. Congratulations?
You are halfway right. Yes, the Ultimate Aero was designed for one main purpose: top speed. Jerod Shelby himself said he is not a designer, but an engineer. Style wasn't his forte. That is why he hired Jason Castriota for the successor, the Tuatara. The Ultimate Aero's purpose was to establish SSC, get the record to show what they can do. It served its purpose and set SSC up for the future. Don't forget the UA also set the slalom record. The car is an all around amazing performer.
no, it's also called a wing, you'll actually find in the racing world the word spoiler is rarely used. I never heard someone call a wing on a F1 car a spoiler for example.
Another trivia info. Senna's MP4/4 was powered by Honda, which designed the NSX. The NSX suspension and chassis was tuned by Ayrton Senna. Gordon Murray(sp) the designeer of the McLaren F1 stated that after driving the little Honda NSX that all other benchmark cars like Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini were out. He used the NSX as its benchmark(of course with a lot more power) Interesting circle.
Among advanced countries, there is a lot of rain in Britain. It's actually a good place to test drive new cars because many countries in the world have rainy weather all year long.
How do you gather that? This is an Autocar video which happened to use Dunsfold Aerodrome (aka Top Gear Test Track) which is used by other companies and I guess hired out by Autocar for this feature.
I saw an MP4 C parked near me recently and it is a very nice car indeed, but if money was no object you would just have to own the legendary F1, twenty years old and still as good as anything that exists today
The F1 GTR was designed as a comfortable road car (although of course this is the LM in the video), only when privateers wanted to race it did McLaren mod it to create the LM and then it did very well - not bad for a car that was never designed to race!
the thing i love about the f1 is the drivers seat on the middle. they are both SOOOO damn awesome! i cant wait to finish looking at the video! i believe the F1 will win. lets see
It is nice talking to someone who respects all makes of vehicles. I do know a little bit about the Britten, but not a tone. I know it was super fast and revolutionary, but not all the details.
i have a question. Considering that the Mclaren F1 had 3 seats ( one in the "middle front" and 2 in the "rear") is the insurance "lower"? I know that probably it doesn't matter cause is a Mclaren :P but i got me wondering if other companies could use this configuration, after all is better having 3 functional seats instead of 2.
Mclaren GTR has been my favourite car since the first time I saw it on Le mans when I was 6, and it still is, there's just nothing that's been close to take over its place
If we are talking about supercars, MPG doesn't really matter when you are spending $250,000 - $1 million on the car. For economy cars, out economy cars actually have higher mpg ratings than competing Euro and Asian cars. Compare the Cruze and Focus to Civics, Golfs, etc. What cars are you refering to being down on HP/Liter? We are actually the leaders in small turbo engines.
I am a big motorcycle fan. One of the great things about it is, as much as supercars are awesome, motorcycles provide nearly all the performance at a price anyone can afford. I can afford a basically factory race bike.
yes this is the top gear test track. mclaren uses it when developing new cars or in this case just having fun. the mclaren technology centere is 18 miles away from the top gear track. and the top gear track is a great power track to test out super cars. the mp- c was tested and developed on the top gear test track.
Drag racing proves only speed, so I will agree with you. Going around a road circuit test every aspect of the car, from aerodynamics to top speed, from gearbox changes to the handling qualities.
I didn't. I'd still, for instance, much prefer to drive a Miura than an 430. But when you compare an F1 to comparable hyper cars of the age, in my opinion, you just don't get better.
I agree with you. In NZ there are plenty of people with good ideas and brilliant skills to put them into action, there are sadly more haters and people who stand in the way of such. The Britten bike should have been so much more..
they never necessarily had to make a road going version of the '95 and '96 GTR's because the regular road car didnt need to fufil any homoligation rules. it wasnt until the '97 year of the GTR's aka the "Longtail" that Mclaren had to make a Homologation special, thus the roadgoing GT "longtail"
I think it's hard for McLaren to make a successor that can surpass the beauty and uniqueness of F1. McLaren only needs to renew the technology that is used in F1, like using more powerful v12 engine, dual clutch gearbox, paddle shifter, traction control, digital cockpit, improved suspension, DRS, KERS, etc. The bodywork only needs a minor facelift, like rear lamp. Look at the Porsches, they changed the appearance slightly for decades, but they improved the technology
Everything advances. 12c Probably generates more downforce at a higher efficiency as well. Plus with active suspension and stickier modern tires it, it will go around a track faster (unless its a power circuit like Le Mans).
the mclaren fl LM is what i prefer over the new mod. i have been a f1 LM fan since 2003 when my boy introduced to me the million cae at that time. mclaren f1 was unbeatble in f1 racing continiously for several years. i will always be a fan of this fantastic car!
