I thought that by "illegal pitch" I was gonna see some pitch that was so nasty they had a rule against it. Nah she just stepped over a line or something lol.
An illegal pitch in softball is when the stepping foot of the pitcher goes over the white line on the mound, and the argument here is the foot did not go over. The replay shows the foot didn't go over, yet the umpire made the call as otherwise
The margin between the pitch being legal or illegal was very small. A very big call was made by the umpire with bases loaded. The pitcher probably performed the same action in her pitching delivery earlier in the game that wasn’t picked up. It’s the timing of the call that is the problem.
It's important to keep in mind that this took place in about 2016-17. At that point, in College softball, both feet needed to be in contact with the pitching rubber. After 2020, the rule, as you all know, was amended and called the start back, which now enables the pitchers to have their stride foot behind the rubber. In this particular pitch, looking at the side view, her right stride foot is out of camera and is shown to be a good distance behind the rubber which her left push off foot is standing on. From the angle, the 3rd base ump has a direct line of sight to that gap between her right foot and the rubber - thus he calls the moment she begins her movement.
Why would they???? 99% of people that watch softball know the rules. Not to mention that they didn't broadcast this game knowing that this tiny excerpt would show up on RU-vid & be put totally out of context.
The pitchers foot can come off the rubber in womens softball however both feet can not be off the ground at the same time and the ball must be released with both feet in side the circle. It looked like a good pitch.
1:20 Just as she starts her motion, you can see the third base coach turn his head and say something to the umpire. Ump then immediately gives the sign. All of this happened well before she began her windup. I still have no idea what made the pitch "illegal", but it must have been right at the beginning of her motion.
It was illegal bc her hands came apart. Once the wind up starts the hands have to stay together. You can see them come apart slightly right before she gets into her “official delivery” and that’s when the 3rd base ump makes the singnal and then the coach. The coach may have said something to the ump to get him to see it, but that’s fine. Either way tho it’s the right call.
A crow hop is a replant and a second push occurs after the initial push from the rubber. Leaping, which the video shows, is losing contact with the ground with the push/drive foot as you drive from the rubber.
The video is not totally on her when the third base umpire calls the illegal pitch which is pre stride. From the motion it appears she moved her stride foot reward prior to delivery which is why it was called. Once set she can only pick it up and move forward. Right at 0:42 you can see by her body motion the right leg moving rear ward. Once the pitcher initially sets the toe of her stride foot, she cannot move it to increase the distance behind the pitcher’s plate.
1:23 ...she rocks back on her heal...3rd base coach chirps at ump... hey, her foot left the rubber"... ump calls it incorrectly. She never lost contact with the rubber.
It was illegal because before you let go of the ball you need at least one foot on the mound she didn’t. before she let go the back foot was off that is why it’s illegal
I think the call was before all this happened. My gut tells me she didnt pause before starting her motion. Could also have possibly been hands together when stepping on the rubber. Think he would've called it even earlier for that though. The lack of a distinct pause is my bet. Cant see from the video regardless!
At 1:23 you can see he is already calling it illegal. Look for her back leg (which becomes her step out leg)--WAY off the rubber. Both feet need to be touching the rubber at the start of her motion forward. This looked like a walk-though pitch.
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Nonsense call...her dive foot lands at different angles, inside the circle, so she isn't "aiming," the pitch, rather, she changes the location based on where her dive foot plants.
Hakapik no he called it before she even came forward. Watch the Oregon 3rd Basemen coach say something to the 3rd base umpire. He puts his arm out which means illegal pitch. Ridiculous call. Called her for not separating ball from glove.
Commentator mentions that it’s frustrating because no objections previously and with bases loaded. I say this: don’t go through your whole pitching career borderline balking and be upset when the umps call a 50/50. In other words, don’t give them a reason to call otherwise. Your borderline mechanics need fixing. Umps will undoubtedly be wrong from time to time when you walk that thin line.
I totally agree with you. My daughter plays showcase level ball and I see a lot of stuff being allowed that should not. The umps don’t call leaving the base early. Stepping out of the batters box. Crow hopping. If we have college coaches at these tournaments why are they allowed to toe the line with the rules?
I don't know where you see that... As far as I can see after looping the windup, delivery, and pitch itself 50+ times, the UMP behind the plate doesn't make any motion or sound whatsoever until; at the absolute earliest; right before the ball hits the catcher's mitt. Perhaps I'm missing something or seeing it wrong, but I don't see any motion, indication, or sound whatsoever until long after the ball has left the pitchers hand.
Someone else pointed it out, but it's probably something with her back foot since the third base umpire called it before the pitch. Conveniently for this video, her back foot is cut off on the replay... gonna bet she wasn't in contact with the rubber. That's not crow hopping, by the way, since her back foot was on the ground the whole way. You want crow-hopping, check out modern men's fastball. As long as they stay in the circle, it's all legal.
At 42 seconds both feet are in contact perhaps it wasn't prior to the start of her wind up. The only other thing I can think of is that she did not sufficiently pause to take a sign or simulate taking a sign after making contact with the rubber. However to call this without a warning is kind of bullshit.
The pitcher's foot came off the rubber before she released the pitch, which allowed her to be closer to the batter than if she kept her foot on the rubber.
Women's softball is awesome. I went to CSU Fullerton during the years they dominated NCAA softball. The baseball team was great too, but we could watch the ladies play for free. Now my grand-niece is headed to college on a softball scholarship, a true athlete!
If you watch the replay of the pitch, he called the illegal pitch before she started her wind-up. So that probably means it had something to do with her getting on the mound or not taking a pause before she started her motion. It had nothing to do with her feet on the mound or her left foot being on the ground.
@@sirstephen9825 I think what he meant was the pitching rubber, I don't know that much about softball rules only baseball and reading what everyone is saying is only more confusing as to why it was called a illegal pitch because i'm hearing 3-4 different explanations of why it was called illegal.
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Her foot was quite clearly nowhere near the rubber when she released the ball, but I have no idea what the rules or norms are. I read another message that said both feet can't be off the ground at the same time. To me it looks like she has both feet off the ground at the same time as she is jumping off the rubber.
Her foot doesnt have to be on the rubber the entire time she pitches. As long as she has a foot down(watch as she drags her right foot) dragged or whatever, the only thing that counts is a pitcher MUST have a foot touching the ground until the second she releases the ball. So yeah she pitched just fine. Great pitch actually
Had to read the comments to find out what he called (and now I'm blind - thanks interwebs). Then I watched for when he threw his fist out, then rewatched that part a few times while watching her feet. She MIGHT have lifted her push foot. Maybe. He called that based on the 3rd base coach being in his ear all game, no other reason.
This happens all the time. A pitcher will go all season without throwing an illegal pitch, then a single umpire decides that every other umpire was wrong.
Sometimes coachs will not call illegal moves till playoff time when it is critical, and players do not have time to correct (the habit) it. It can win games for you. Basketball players carrying the ball while dribbling during the regular season then being called for it at tournament time is an example.
I think it was for the lack of notable pause before the delivery. The umpire signals the illegal pitch very early in her windup and it appears to me he might have thought she failed to pause before delivering the pitch.
At 1:23 the umpire has signaled illegal pitch before she has begun forward motion, so the call is not leaping. There is no clear view of it in the video, but it was an illegal pitch from other video footage I have seen. The illegal move was a slight step backward - on the first pitch she rocks backward on the back foot, but on the 2nd pitch she lifted the back foot slightly and stepped backward. Bad time of the game, but an easy call.
she did an illegal pitch. She didn't drag the pivot foot. It's called a leap. Good call by the umpire. As far as the announcer goes. That's why you're not an umpire.
The umpire at 3rd base signals an illegal pitch at 1:23 in the replay. Whatever it was, therefore, happened at 1:22-1:23. My *guess* is that the pitcher's stride foot (right foot) was not in contact/lost contact with the pitching plate (rubber) when she began her delivery. This NCAA rule has since been changed, so that the stride foot no longer needs to be in contact with the pitching plate. As for the tv commentators, if a rule violation is not penalized in one game, then the violator should consider themselves lucky, and not hassle the umpire who enforces it in the next game.
Yes at time(year) of this game both feet must be in contact with pitching rubber upon start of separation of ball from glove. Agreed in USA softball and Nfhs softball no need to make contact on mound with stride foot.
I don't see an illegal pitch on this play, but I do notice the timing of the call. He umpire is calling this illegal well before she is stepping forward, meaning this had to be something with the feet on the pitching plate. One of the comments below says it was for her lifting her foot off the pitchers plate. If that was the call it might (and I mean might) have been a correct call, but it certainly was not so obvious that it had to be called in that situation of the game. I wonder if this call was one of the reasons that the NCAA softball committee recommend a change to the illegal pitch penalty after the 2017 season. The penalty was changed to no longer advance the runners a base on an illegal pitch. The high school rules followed with this change this season.
@@edzachary8657 If you're going to correct people, it helps to be correct yourself. James didn't say "pitching plate." Also, you could refer to Rule 2.04 of the official baseball rules, or the similar sections of official softball rules, to further educate yourself on your mistake.
Maybe be incorrect but for those wondering what’s wrong I’m pretty sure it’s that she doesn’t start with both of her feet on the mound the second time. I know the camera angle is pretty bad but I think that’s the problem? I know my high school league had that rule, not sure if they’re the same
The ump signaled before the pitch and while it was not clear on video I would guess she stepped back off the rubber with her non pivot foot making the pitch illegal
David Olson that exactly what happen. If you play the sport it can be very easy to use o identify but she still didn't makeing it an illegal pitch and advanceing the base runners
You guys are all clueless. The illegal pitch was signaled before she even longed. So it had nothing to do with leaping or crow-hoping. And the camera didn’t show anything Beforehand. So we couldn’t possibly know unless there’s another video/angle. It was ether she stepped back off the rubber, or her hand coming together incorrectly or touching something on her body. Something “before” the pitch...But we don’t know.
Mark a lot of softball teams do that even at the high school level. When batting there are so many more variations of what can be done compared to baseball. It makes it an interesting sport to watch.
Bad call....but even worse announcing .... "she pitched yesterday and was fine, but gets called today with bases loaded".....well lady, yesterday was yesterday and today is today, and how many runners on has nothing to do with it. How about show in replay how her foot was fine and the call is wrong. Geez
Not really, they weren't saying that she shouldn't have had an illegal pitch called because of not having one called before. She was throwing out her doubts of it being a good call by letting people know that she had pitched all day previously and not had any illegal pitch calls on her.
And again, the day before means nothing........there is not a competitive, high level pitcher, that has one thought of the day before, or the next day. It is each pitch, each inning, and each game at a time. What she did yesterday has ZERO to do with today, and has NO bearing on whether or not she pitches an illegal pitch. It's stupid commentary that could have easily been explained by just showing the replay, and explaining the rule. Again, "even worse announcing"
What it does is set a precedent that this pitcher doesn't do that and so the likelihood of it being an actual illegal pitch is very low. The stride that pitchers use is nearly exactly the same every single time they pitch.
perry macdonald a good make fastball hitter will light these women up once they get accustomed to the release point and angle the ball is moving. PC loves to take mlb players and pit them against a Jenny Finch because they know they won’t hit her in an impromptu meeting. They will never say let’s give the guys a couple of weeks to practice before we have the match up. Another thing you will never see is a MLB pitcher facing one of these softball players
Yeah softball players can pitch everyday if they want. I’ve pitched full tournaments before 😂 she could also have a lot of games where they only score 3/4 and end up losing but even more where they win and she only gives up 0/1. @2A forever I do agree that baseball guys can hit a softball pitcher if they have time to prepare, but you’d be surprised on the grounds of “light them up.” Softball is a much faster game and if you ever tried to hit off of someone like Yukiko Ueno, or Kelley Barnhill I don’t think it would be easy for either sex. They throw well, have movement, and can change speed just as well as any major league pitcher 🙄
This woman announcer is definite a retired women's quick pitch pitcher who wasn't to successful in her career!! I had no idea what made her pitch illegal, so I looked up the rule. Its very clear that the pitcher is not aloud to let her drag foot leave the ground. Its also very clear in the video that the pitcher did, in fact, lift her drag foot off the ground. You can see it in real time, let alone slow motion replay. Furthermore, if a television network is hiring uneducated, untrained and unqualified personnel that doesn't recognize a basic rule in that particular sport, then I'm about to be the highest paid women's winter doubles badminton announcers ever! LOL! Its a shame that this lady calls these games for the network she represents, people like myself that don't know the game, but are interested in familiarizing myself with its traditions are getting bad information, false information, which is just way to common with everything anymore. I know I sound a little "Karenish", I just worry more and more about the future and what young people are willing to blindly accept as facts, making them as unqualified and lost as the people telling the story. When did it become "alright" to not check facts, not have to use reliable sources, and be free to say anything at all, about anything at all, and have no thought at all about weather they are telling the truth or not? Again, I get it, it's just a softball game! But it is the same with all social media sources, local and national news reports, even crucial facts about diseases and "national pamdemics" that have been proven over and over to have been incredibly wrong, coerced, inflated, and just plain untrue, AND NO ON EVER GETS REPREMANDED, HELD RESPONSIBLE, FIRED, SUSPENDED, FINED, APOLOGETIC, NOT EVEN ANY TYPE OF ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF ANY WRONG DOING, NOTHING AT ALL!!! I know most people are not brave enough, responsible enough, OR even smart enough to realize what happens when this type of behavior becomes the norm. We need to wake up, because there is NOTHING at all good about what's coming if we keep heading down this path. Scary! I apologize for the rant, I just can't put up with it anymore. You shouldn't either. Thanks for listening.
wow who new ladies softball was so cutthroat, now get back in your kitchens and get your husbands dinner ready for when he walks in the door or expect a slap !!
I played softball for 20+ years and I’m not sure quite what she did illegally. Maybe her foot on the line or maybe she hopped.🤷♂️ I got no problem with the funny comments, I do it myself sometimes. I just wanted to voice my opinion on a couple of matters. First of all, from high school to professional, girl’s/women’s softball players are just as skilled as boy’s/men’s baseball players! Secondly, there are plenty of attractive females on the diamond!
Come on people, they don't explain why it's illegal because this is a small excerpt from a softball game, in which most viewers know the friggin rules of the game. They didn't broadcast this game knowing that this pitch might be chosen for a small RU-vid clip. THINK!! If you're capable. If you're going to blame someone, blame the channel for not explaining it. Or yourself.
Dear commentator: We don't give a rats' patoot whether she had any illegal pitches called yesterday. That is completely immaterial. She obviously did something illegal, or U3 wouldn't have called an illegal pitch.
Stats for the pitcher at the beginning of the video - *Devastating drop* ... - *Utilize her senior experience* ... - *Coming from the left side* WTF does any of this mean
If you knew how the game was played (which is markedly different from baseball) you would understand. For example a drop pitch in softball actually drops, it does not sink as a baseball fan understands a pitch that sinks. They also throw a rise ball that actually rises. A rising fastball in baseball does not rise, it merely sinks slower than the hitter is expecting. This is a proven scientific fact. This results from a softball pitcher throwing underhand, a natural motion. from flat ground versus a baseball pitcher throwing overhand (an unnatural motion) from a raised platform. Look it up.
@@garygemmell3488 thanks for taking the time to answer my comment , I was a little naive writing it years ago but appreciate the descriptive information . It makes sense more now to me and it's rare people on RU-vid give good feedback posts so thanks
Cmon man. When is some dude, out of pure spite, going to identify as a woman and demand to play womens ball? I wanna see some 250lb dude in pigtails launch some 400ft homers so we can put an end to this shit already. Maybe a liner off a 3rd baseman where they quickly turn and say, “We rethought this….sorry, no trans women allowed.”
hands have to be separated when you step on the mound, if you watch the slow version you can see third base umpire call illegal before she ever pitches. this pretty much defines “ticky tack”.
You say illegal, I say payoff. The Ducks were known to do anything to win when they could get away with it. Just take an historical look at their past athletic programs, especially baseball, where they were caught and sanctioned more than once.
