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Measure the Earth’s Radius! (with this one complicated trick) 

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Hannah’s book is out now!
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If you have a spare 2⅔ hours you can watch Matt hand craft a protractor. Yes, I know the audio is glitchy. • Matt made a giant prot...
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@olmostgudinaf8100
@olmostgudinaf8100 2 года назад
Are you saying that the Shard security did not let you in with weapons of maths instruction?
@TheHongKonger
@TheHongKonger 2 года назад
Please take my upvote and scram
@phwaedih
@phwaedih 2 года назад
*sigh* very good
@gordonrichardson2972
@gordonrichardson2972 2 года назад
I heard this story on a podcast a few days ago. No respect for science by these security people...
@jimlo
@jimlo 2 года назад
Bravo
@ShadowZero27
@ShadowZero27 2 года назад
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@Fade2GrayOG
@Fade2GrayOG 2 года назад
"The thing is, we got a number" This is the professionalism we subscribe for.
@misslolitapink
@misslolitapink 2 года назад
According to my calculation, the radius of the Earth is purple...
@CrooningRevival365
@CrooningRevival365 2 года назад
What do you mean the radius is 1.6i+57?
@GodwynDi
@GodwynDi 2 года назад
A Parker radius if you will
@morphx666
@morphx666 2 года назад
Plus, they got a positive number... so there you go...
@gregb869
@gregb869 2 года назад
Certainly the professionalism we paid for
@redumptious2544
@redumptious2544 2 года назад
Ah yes, the age old joke: “Two mathematicians go to the shard with a fancy protractor and a laser-inclinometer…”
@shadedizzy
@shadedizzy 2 года назад
you're taking some liberties with the word 'fancy' there.
@stephenblant
@stephenblant 2 года назад
Also the keyword there being joke. As this video was the biggest joke I've heard in awhile
@VoxNerdula
@VoxNerdula 2 года назад
that one big prolapser
@ICanDoThatToo2
@ICanDoThatToo2 8 месяцев назад
Thus the origin of the phrase: "up a shard without a protractor."
@iainmacn62
@iainmacn62 5 месяцев назад
You were trying to get "weapons of maths instruction" up the shard
@smmk8048
@smmk8048 2 года назад
“You know what Hannah, it’s a small world” Couldn’t stop laughing xD
@gorillaau
@gorillaau 2 года назад
I hope you found a chair to parker youself, in case you fell over.
@VoxNerdula
@VoxNerdula 2 года назад
compared to that big prolapser he made
@telotawa
@telotawa 2 года назад
"anything between 10 and a million" the Parker radius, everybody
@ManyHeavens42
@ManyHeavens42 2 года назад
Findly someone with brains !
@NOTNOTJON
@NOTNOTJON 2 года назад
AND let's not forget the 100 trillion human second everyone!
@gamplie
@gamplie 2 года назад
A close friend of the Parker Square
@bencheevers6693
@bencheevers6693 2 года назад
"Oi you got a license for that?" "It's a protractor" "Exactly, obviously a weapon"
@andrew_koala2974
@andrew_koala2974 2 года назад
It was the angle of attack that had Security worried. To remedy that problem, one should use a house brick and a length of string 'x' centimetres in length and attach it to the security guard's testicles.
@jamesmnguyen
@jamesmnguyen 2 года назад
With very small angles, one could easily cut someone.
@komodoensis-rex
@komodoensis-rex 2 года назад
They need to see a degree to make sure you're qualified to do basic geometry
@oqibidipo
@oqibidipo 2 года назад
"We do not allow tractors here, neither pro nor amateur."
@jimmyzhao2673
@jimmyzhao2673 Год назад
This demonstration is so convincing, I've gone from being a *'Flat Earther'* to a *"Small Earther'*
@actua99
@actua99 Год назад
Isn't that opposite of a flat earther is what Christopher Columbus got wrong wrong when he went to find the western route to the Indies?
@micayahritchie7158
@micayahritchie7158 Год назад
@@actua99 Lol the earth is more curved lol
@mezza205
@mezza205 Год назад
Little steps.
@actua99
@actua99 Год назад
@@micayahritchie7158 isn't that where Columbus went wrong, presuming the earth was more curved and therefore smaller?
@micayahritchie7158
@micayahritchie7158 Год назад
@@actua99 idk
@PetruRatiu
@PetruRatiu 2 года назад
I love how Hannah started all serious and embarassed by Matt's antics and got progressively more Parkerish as the video progressed.
@Moletrouser
@Moletrouser 2 года назад
Should that not be _Parkeroid?_
@dropdatabase8224
@dropdatabase8224 2 года назад
So Hannah got Parkerated? No, that sounds so wrong.
@peterjansen7929
@peterjansen7929 2 года назад
By contrast, I loved his realism of being willing to settle for the result not being negative!
@PetruRatiu
@PetruRatiu 2 года назад
@@peterjansen7929 you can tell he's been in a Matt Parker video before.
@eekee6034
@eekee6034 2 года назад
"Do I have to be with you in the street while you're doing this?" I died laughing! XD
@perryheun3047
@perryheun3047 2 года назад
Matt Parker is such a maths geek his body is metric.
@Richardincancale
@Richardincancale 2 года назад
I’m glad he’s metric, otherwise his feet would be one foot long.
@andrewf8366
@andrewf8366 2 года назад
Everyone's body can be _a_ metric. Most famous one I know of would either be Smoot or the milliHelen
@dannymac6368
@dannymac6368 2 года назад
His mind is imaginary though. 🤩
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 года назад
He's built for math.
@spicybaguette7706
@spicybaguette7706 2 года назад
He's built different
@poutouellet
@poutouellet 2 года назад
Matt: "I've got this really fun idea on how we can do publicity for your book!" Hannah: *sigh* "Can't you just mention it on a video or something?"
@zyaicob
@zyaicob 2 года назад
*Matt, shouting over the sound of a jigsaw through perspex:* you ever heard of al-Biruni?
@knoekus
@knoekus 2 года назад
Videos of these two together are always so much fun, they’re just a brilliant duo :)
@benda18
@benda18 2 года назад
You could do a whole video on the types and accuracy of common units of measure available to the common mathematician with common weapons during the first millennium
@th.nd.r
@th.nd.r 2 года назад
The fact that a Matt cubit is almost exactly half a meter made me actually laugh out loud. That’s awesome.
@HunterJE
@HunterJE Год назад
Reminds me of some field scientists I know of who have gotten like a 10cm or whatever bar tattooed on their arm so they can always have a scale bar for specimen photos
@WyvernYT
@WyvernYT Год назад
It surprised me. I'm a tall guy and my cubit is about 18 inches (which is fine, as I'm in America). Matt has an unusually long forearm. Very convenient for him, though.
@Smitology
@Smitology Месяц назад
a Parker cubit
@brachypelmasmith
@brachypelmasmith 2 года назад
this reminds me of the time when we were calculating the speed of muons using two scintilator detectors. But we used rulers to measure the distance between those so we got end result of c+-c. Which is technically correct answer for any question regarding speed asked ever.
@zyaicob
@zyaicob 2 года назад
The floor here is made out of floor
@matthewhubka6350
@matthewhubka6350 2 года назад
I don’t get why you got c+-c
@brachypelmasmith
@brachypelmasmith 2 года назад
@@matthewhubka6350 the speed of muons is really close to the speed of light (something along the line of 98-99%. We had measured it with such a bad precision in distance that our margin of error caused all other values to round up to significant figures so it became (1+-1)c
@mainakbiswas2584
@mainakbiswas2584 2 года назад
🤣🤣🤣
@darkseid856
@darkseid856 2 года назад
🤣🤣
@redumptious2544
@redumptious2544 2 года назад
“Well we’re not going to just calculate the sine of the angle. I built my very own lookup table last night just for that!”
@tttm99
@tttm99 2 года назад
Yes! Nice work! Join the legends people! Derive everything! 😂👍We'll be using a calm sea for the horizon next! You never discover anything new relying on someone else's work... Oh... Well... Okay...so... Of course, you do... But is it ever as much fun?! 😆
@juandesalgado
@juandesalgado 2 года назад
I think I still have a copy of Abramowitz tables somewhere...
@elizabethfoster5661
@elizabethfoster5661 2 года назад
Disappointed you didn’t find historical look up tables in a library somewhere.
@Mewguy
@Mewguy 2 года назад
Matt and Hannah have such great chemistry together on screen. It’s wonderful to see them working together! Especially seeing Hannah get fed up with Matt’s shenanigans.
@raymondsalzwedel
@raymondsalzwedel 2 года назад
Agree. They have fun together and it makes 27 minutes go by so quickly. Thoroughly entertaining.
@DelLego
@DelLego 2 года назад
@@raymondsalzwedel I usually watch youtube videos at 1.5x speed especially for long videos but special for this one I watch it 1x to savor every moment of interaction between Matt and Hannah. I literally lol-ing
@vibhorrawal
@vibhorrawal 2 года назад
It felt so good that I felt bad for Matt that his wife would be upset watching this i dont know why 😂
@WSCLATER
@WSCLATER 2 года назад
It's an old-fashioned double act. Pretty inane and boring, actually. Very contrived and over-acted with cringing fake and exaggerated reactions. It's just a performance. laurel and Hardy were at least funny.
@t.d.2016
@t.d.2016 2 года назад
@@WSCLATER gr8 b8 m8 i rate 8/8
2 года назад
25:30 I want to say, with the actual value of the heigh, they get a an Earth radius of 708 km. Even smaller
@Jiggerjaw
@Jiggerjaw 2 года назад
Matt is the perfect foil for Hannah. I love it every time these two collaborate.
@1977ajax
@1977ajax 5 месяцев назад
Not for me; fed up with adults acting like a complete tit on TV.
@sobertillnoon
@sobertillnoon 2 года назад
"it's actually professor Fry" Best part.
@openbordersforisrael
@openbordersforisrael 2 года назад
when?
@TheBeetrootman
@TheBeetrootman 2 года назад
@@openbordersforisrael 8:28
@eaterdrinker000
@eaterdrinker000 2 года назад
Professor Fry has a cake.
@openbordersforisrael
@openbordersforisrael 2 года назад
@@TheBeetrootman Thank you!
@MisterNohbdy
@MisterNohbdy 2 года назад
As Matt keeps stacking scope-creep onto the required tasks in this project, I can sense Hannah's "I did not sign up for all this" energy.
@secularmonk5176
@secularmonk5176 2 года назад
Yeah, it's like a concerned friend visiting a coke fiend, only to be increasingly put out by the whirlwind they fell into.
@d2factotum
@d2factotum 2 года назад
@@secularmonk5176 You should have seen the Royal Institution Christmas Lectures given by Hannah, ably (??) assisted by Matt...the whole thing was pretty much that whenever Matt was onscreen!
@dewaard3301
@dewaard3301 2 года назад
This is the kind of doable experiment that bridges the relevance gap kids experience when learning math(s) in school. It's also a great grounds for relating sensitivity of the outcome to the accuracy of your tools and measurements.
@sharpnova2
@sharpnova2 2 года назад
i loved math as a kid and never needed it to apply to anything or have any relevance. and i hated and still hate those who do
@abijo5052
@abijo5052 2 года назад
@@sharpnova2 why hate people who learn differently to you? That's just petty
@andrewferguson6901
@andrewferguson6901 2 года назад
@@sharpnova2 stop. do it again and you get the squirt bottle
@baronvonlimbourgh1716
@baronvonlimbourgh1716 2 года назад
@@sharpnova2 aren't you the little snowflake lol. I think it would be awesome if this kind of stuff got more kids interested in maths. A bit of fun never hurts.
@bcwbcw3741
@bcwbcw3741 2 года назад
Another approach is "motor away on your boat until the lighthouse is no longer visible (note however effect goes as sqrt(lighthouse height) + sqrt(your height)). calculate from distance you've gone. No instruments except boat speedometer or your GPS. The square root means your height (which includes waves) can be an important term even for tall lighthouses. Oh yeah, need a pair of binoculars as the light becomes dim. At nine feet the horizon is at 3.5 miles. Seeing the lighthouse just, is its horizon distance plus your horizon from the other side. At 900 feet it's horizon is 10 times further or 35miles.
@pjplaysdoom
@pjplaysdoom 2 года назад
Matt and Hannah seemed like a great team as they Shard their experiment but then a protractor argument let to them going off at a tangent, which is never a good sine. At least they realised the magnitude of their error.
@henrymaddocks984
@henrymaddocks984 2 года назад
Hannah: This is going to be straightforward, half an hour at the most. Matt: Hold my beer
@GuidoHaverkort
@GuidoHaverkort 2 года назад
Hold my protractor
@JasonWMorningwood
@JasonWMorningwood 2 года назад
You got a loicense for that giant protractor? -Shard Security
@jackthmp
@jackthmp 2 года назад
"Pleased to see your maths loicense, Sir."
@TECHN01200
@TECHN01200 2 года назад
Do I have to have a loicense for this fleshy pile of meat I control too?
@CarlosPerezChavez
@CarlosPerezChavez 2 года назад
Apply for it at the Ministry of Loicenses.
@bencheevers6693
@bencheevers6693 2 года назад
You beat me to it by 4 hours, my comment: "Oi you got a license for that?" "It's a protractor" "Exactly, obviously a weapon"
@TimothyReeves
@TimothyReeves 2 года назад
Yeah, you think he really knew that fancy word "protractor"?
@jonatanhellgren3129
@jonatanhellgren3129 2 года назад
The angle you would have to observe to get the correct radius from 300 meter would have been arccos(6371/6371.3) =0.556 degrees, and to get the radius to be equal to 6322 you would need to observe an angle of 0.558 from 300 meters. So you need a very accurate protractor to get good results.
@g-r-a-e-m-e-
@g-r-a-e-m-e- 7 месяцев назад
The Shard is too small. You need a mountain.
@euromaestro
@euromaestro 5 месяцев назад
Or 0.500 degrees from the actual observation height of 243 metres.
@OneEyedJack01
@OneEyedJack01 5 месяцев назад
@@g-r-a-e-m-e- That is just one factor. Greater height helps, but you also need more accurate instruments and clear weather to judge the horizon.
@TamaraWiens
@TamaraWiens 5 месяцев назад
I think that the haze on the horizon was the critical factor - without that, the horizon would have been further, so the angle would have been smaller. Lesson learned - use the Burj Khalifa. Higher peak, and (maybe?) less horizon haze.
@cheetahrunout
@cheetahrunout 4 месяца назад
Its just that those phones are terrible. Also no static stand to stabilise the reading. You could probably get 0.5 with some basic stuff.
@danieljensen2626
@danieljensen2626 2 года назад
Hannah: "We're going to go up the shard with an electrical inclinometer and then do one calculation after looking some stuff up on Wikipedia." Matt holding his makeshift plumb bob inclinometer and cubit shoes: "We are not!"
@LemonArsonist
@LemonArsonist 2 года назад
I imagine Matt's "between 10 and 10 million" pessimism compared to Hannah's "within 1000" can be explained by the fact he has estimated pi to a wild variety of decimal places over the years
@djmips
@djmips 2 года назад
No, it's because Hannah was planning to look up the height of the observation deck and use a 'fancy pants' inclinometer but Matt was planning on using nothing but his forearm, a piece of perspex and a plum-bob!
@Salien1999
@Salien1999 2 года назад
Matt's also known for... *ahem* "giving it a go" on a variety of things, and coming out with thoroughly okay results. For entertainment purposes, of course.
@n-da-bunka2650
@n-da-bunka2650 2 года назад
@@Salien1999 His calculations for the radius of the earth were NO WHERE NEAR "okay"
@chalkchalkson5639
@chalkchalkson5639 2 года назад
@@n-da-bunka2650 if you consider that their angle measurement should have only been accurate to 1° they actually got really close. 0.2 sigma off of the true mean if you calculate the statistical error induced by that angle measurement. Getting your standard deviation down to 1000km takes a stupidly precise angle measurement below 0.05°. I'd say given the tools they had they did amazingly well (ie there was probably some luck involved).
@xevira
@xevira 2 года назад
They measured the Parker height of the Shard, the Parker angle to the horizon, the Parker radius and circumference of Earth. Bravo. Well done, Matt and Hannah. And, can we give an Honorable Mention to the Parker cubit? They really did a lot of the footwork in all of this.
@joseville
@joseville 2 года назад
Underrated comment! Above par(ker) comment.
@DavidBeddard
@DavidBeddard 2 года назад
Don't forget the Parker Protractor!
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 года назад
The pun alone makes the "Parker Cubit" wonderful.
@AdamHill42
@AdamHill42 2 года назад
NOT ONLY THAT but also an order of magnitude does not, as commonly believed, range from n*10 to n*(1/10). Most definitions have it as n*sqrt(10) to n*(1/sqrt(10)), so ~3.16*n to 0.316*n. So when he rounded his 875 up to 1000 it still was not within 1 order of magnitude of the correct answer. You COULD say it was within one... Parker Order of Magnitude 🤡
@PMA65537
@PMA65537 2 года назад
And they still didn't find Pascal Sauvage before ramadan.
@SKyrim190
@SKyrim190 2 года назад
This was once a question in one of our trigonometry tests during high school! We were all so baffled by it, that it became a joke for the class: "I've bought a pound of tomatoes. What is the radius of the earth?"
@zyaicob
@zyaicob Год назад
It's Saturday. What is the radius of the earth?
@Londrino
@Londrino Год назад
that's a good bit, now I'm curious how the question was phrased to make it evolve into a joke like that
@criterionx1377
@criterionx1377 2 года назад
I'm a sheetmetal mechanic. When I was first learning the trade I worked with on of our companies best mechanics. He could estimate the circumference of a vessel within a few inches by standing a short distance from it (20-30ft or so) and gauging the angle by his outstretched arms. He told me that he learned math while in university in Mexico where he was a top student in the math dept. I think it would be fantastic to have a course all in the "hands on" mathematics. There really are tons of material out there. Some of which is being forgotten.
@cholulahotsauce6166
@cholulahotsauce6166 Год назад
That's pretty cool
@ThatPsdude
@ThatPsdude 2 года назад
This is why I love Matt Parker. The hard work, dedication, and attention to detail is all there!...unlike the correct answer, but expectations were set. I nominate that this non-negative, _well within_ an order of magnitude radius of the Earth be called a Parker Earth Radius.
@jamescoleman7057
@jamescoleman7057 2 года назад
parker earth confirmed.
@baoboumusic
@baoboumusic 2 года назад
I love Math Parker but holy fork I am IN LOVE with Hannah Fry, and you are too. That laugh. Those brains. Intoxicating.
@mrstijntje
@mrstijntje 2 года назад
Chuckled at non-negative.
@edsanville
@edsanville 2 года назад
I find it creepy and depressing that they wouldn't let you go to the top with an inclinometer and an attractive, home-made astrolabe.
@ssu7653
@ssu7653 2 года назад
Could be something about just showing up with it, ask in advance and the chances would be significantly higher ;) At the very least security would know what and why they bring those items, not having to to put their job on the line guessing what it could be used for
@dewaard3301
@dewaard3301 2 года назад
The sec guard was not amused by their use of big words.
@edsanville
@edsanville 2 года назад
@hognoxious I don't live in Europe, but I'm still pissed off that the EU made a stupid law forcing every website to make me click "OK" for cookies. Thanks, EU.
@0cheeseburga
@0cheeseburga 2 года назад
The lack of uncertainty values and reporting agreement between measured values is *exactly* how you can tell an experiment was done by mathematicians and not scientists lol Loved this
@robertromero8692
@robertromero8692 2 года назад
Eratosthenes did the calculation much earlier, and it was quite accurate. He noted the angles of shadows in two cities on the Summer Solstice.
@37rainman
@37rainman Год назад
The process in this vid was also done by a Persian mathematician in the year 1000ad. His measurements and calcs happened to come to a radius within 10 miles of todays value. VERY close, perhaps a little luck involve! His name was al Biruni. You might be interested in googling him
@memkiii
@memkiii Год назад
@@37rainman You do know that they said right from the start of the video that this is a replication of the experiment of Abu Arrayhan Muhammad ibn Ahmad *al-Biruni*, and a link about him is in the description of the the Video. No need to google.
@ChaineYTXF
@ChaineYTXF 3 месяца назад
indeed. Between Alexandrie and Syene (modern Aswan)
@halloduda8142
@halloduda8142 2 года назад
"We're off by an order of magnitude" As an astrophysicist, I approve
@xander1052
@xander1052 2 года назад
Pi does in fact equal 1.
@bobstreet2491
@bobstreet2491 2 года назад
I love the way you astrophysicists perform all your calculations to zero significant figures. It shows a relaxed disregard for unimportant little details.
@roepi
@roepi 2 года назад
@@xander1052 or 10, whatever...
@VeteranVandal
@VeteranVandal 2 года назад
Or 2. Or 3.... I mean, Hubble's plot shows us a straight line in a cloud, so, nobody can really judge... (Of course, our modern plots are more legitimate looking, but so is most recent science by its own nature)
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 2 года назад
It's obviously 1 in natural units.
@KrBme78
@KrBme78 2 года назад
Radius of the Earth, normalized to the radius of the Earth!
@ObjectsInMotion
@ObjectsInMotion 2 года назад
As a matter of fact, that's how the meter was originally defined! As 1/40,000,000th of the earth's circumference through Paris. That means the earth's radius is almost exactly 20,000/pi kilometers, off by only 12 kilometers! A nice easy way to quickly calculate the Earth's radius.
@helloiamenergyman
@helloiamenergyman 2 года назад
Much think Very maths
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 года назад
So Matt and Hannah were right if you round it to the nearest natural unit.
@raulgalets
@raulgalets 2 года назад
Flameo hotman
@apagnan
@apagnan 2 года назад
Going through Teacher's College now here in Canada, and I can't help but be inspired to want to try this with a class of Grade 9 students. Absolutely awesome!
@billbauer9795
@billbauer9795 Год назад
Poor students. What a way to waste everyone's time, while not doing your job of teaching. Are you a teacher or a stand-up comedian/RU-vid entertainer?
@WyvernYT
@WyvernYT Год назад
I am imagining you in front of a classroom full of Matts. Good luck and have fun! :-)
@RadioactiveLobster
@RadioactiveLobster 2 года назад
If Hannah was my math teacher I might have actually paid attention in class.
@jangoofy
@jangoofy 2 года назад
Given that the "correct" angle should be 0.5 degrees, coupled with the stated height of 243 meters to get 6382 km , and 0.4 degrees would result in 9971 km, either protractor would have give a way off result, but it was fun as always, a nice lesson in propagation of error 😃
@augustdahlkvist3998
@augustdahlkvist3998 2 года назад
You need a much taller tower/mountain
@michaelsommers2356
@michaelsommers2356 2 года назад
And at 0.6 degrees you get 4431 km.
@HonzaCejhon
@HonzaCejhon 2 года назад
@@augustdahlkvist3998 Well yes, but if you would be on top of the Mont Blanc, it would be 2.2 degrees. So still pretty small angle to measure.
@jangoofy
@jangoofy 2 года назад
@@augustdahlkvist3998 True, Mount Everest (8849 m) would, if we could see the sea from it, give us an angle of 3.02 (6363 km radius) and 3.12 degree gives us 5961 km.
@bobh6728
@bobh6728 2 года назад
If you take into account significant digits, the correct angle is 0. For working backwards from the known value, you are taking an approximation accurate to kilometers and adding 0.243 kilometers. Which rounded off properly is still 6391 meters. So the cosine is 1.
@mathyland4632
@mathyland4632 2 года назад
Matt Parker has been so active lately! He must really want his million subscriber goal lol
@helenaren
@helenaren 2 года назад
The fact that he doesn’t have a million already is a disgrace to humanity
@ydid687
@ydid687 2 года назад
its october nearing holiday season, RU-vid viewership goes up and content creators look for more ad revenue, that is is the reason for more content being pumped out.
@teacherblake
@teacherblake 2 года назад
I wish I could help more but unfortunately I subscribed a year ago
@littleratblue
@littleratblue 2 года назад
What was the actual angle that you were trying to measure at the top of the Shard?
@kristiankamph4334
@kristiankamph4334 2 года назад
just round to 1 significant digit and Matt already has 1x10^6 subs
@HO-bndk
@HO-bndk 2 года назад
Whenever I want to work out the circumference of the Earth I just pace out the distance from Alexandria to Syene.
@JacquesMare
@JacquesMare 2 года назад
Brilliant tongue-in-cheek....😄
@37rainman
@37rainman Год назад
Actually Eratosthenes was the head librarian in Alexandria. He just looked up the distance. Important, long lasting civilizations well measure and map their realms. The story about sending someone to pace off 500 miles is apocrypha
@thanhn2001
@thanhn2001 2 года назад
This was so much fun to watch. The outcome didn't even matter. I learned something and laughed so much
@UnimatrixOne
@UnimatrixOne 2 года назад
And it's always nice to see Hannah. ;)
@YamaDrahma
@YamaDrahma 2 года назад
Watching Hannah losing the will to live and appreciating the geekiness simultaneously is a treat it itself
@Bingcenzo
@Bingcenzo 2 года назад
The trig battle at 17:34 is the closest we'll get to a real-life wizard duel.
@dollarsing
@dollarsing Год назад
You two have such great banter. Very enjoyable!
@mattwillis3219
@mattwillis3219 2 года назад
Hannah and Matt make awesome mathematics communicator's, Matt's can-do attitude and Hannah's down to earth humor is such a beautiful combination 🥰
@Obi-WanKannabis
@Obi-WanKannabis 2 года назад
"If we round this to a thousand its the same order of magnitude" Can't believe I've never tried this argument on my math teacher, clearly the difference between a pleb like me and a pro.
@hendrikd2113
@hendrikd2113 2 года назад
it's a bad argument, because rounding the earth's radius would make it 10^4, thus not the same order argain.
@angelogandolfo4174
@angelogandolfo4174 2 года назад
Matt’s almost child-like enthusiasm (I mean that as a compliment), combined with Hannah’s calm, slightly exasperated, yet kind, patience, make for a great team! (“Yeah yeah yeah, I want to measure the height of the shard!!!”…. (Rolls eyes).. “Ohhh, OK then……..”
@MrKotBonifacy
@MrKotBonifacy 2 года назад
_Hannah’s calm, slightly exasperated, yet kind, patience" - well, that sounds like "motherly patience", innit? ;-)
@toprak3479
@toprak3479 2 года назад
Matt the funny guy and Hannah the straight man A powerhouse of a comedic duo as well as brilliant mathematicians. These two are amazing.
@PreservationEnthusiast
@PreservationEnthusiast 2 года назад
@@toprak3479 It's not remotely funny. It's certainly not comedy. It's totally embarrassing. Mathematicians should stick to mathematics, not trying to act or perform ridiculous skits.
@toprak3479
@toprak3479 2 года назад
@@PreservationEnthusiast OK
@MaryamMaqdisi
@MaryamMaqdisi 2 года назад
@@PreservationEnthusiast I found it hilarious, not everything needs to be so serious dude
@thadhoskins
@thadhoskins 2 года назад
Honestly, one of Matt's best. Loved this video.
@toprak3479
@toprak3479 2 года назад
This was a blast to watch honestly. Matt's enthusiasm is absolutely contagious.
@EumelHugo
@EumelHugo 2 года назад
Well, that's how you get extraordinary precision: Put the difference of 1 and the cosine of a very small angle measured with your phone manually aligned to a brochure into the denominator of your equation.
@HagenvonEitzen
@HagenvonEitzen 2 года назад
Instead of using 1/(1- cos x), it would be numerically more stable to multiply numerator and denominator by 1 + cos x, so (1 + cos x)/sin² x. For such small angles (even more so when measured badly), we can use cos x = 1 and (if only Matt had made his giant protractor use radians!) sin x = x.
@wibblywobblysineline509
@wibblywobblysineline509 2 года назад
@@HagenvonEitzen A mathematician in the wild! Fascinating, look how it suggests helpful prose with very little chance of recognition. Truly a marvelous and noble creature.
@bendon4604
@bendon4604 2 года назад
I admire Matt's insistence to replicate al-Biruni's calculation with analog tools. Sometimes it's just so much more satisfying to use the simple tools to craft the answer.
@brookewestonctc
@brookewestonctc 2 года назад
*craft AN answer. It was some way off THE answer!
@VivekYadav-ds8oz
@VivekYadav-ds8oz 2 года назад
When you use simple tools, you OWN the answer. When you use complex tools, half the job was done by your tools, and so you've really just glued together a bunch of tools with a teeny-tiny bit of maths.
@GustavoLovato
@GustavoLovato 2 года назад
Regardless of the Small World result, you did get an R value and did show the Earth is not flat! Shockingly, a lot of people in the 21st century need to be convinced of that.
@quietackshon
@quietackshon 2 года назад
Playing fast and lose with "a lot". Don't shockingly conflate noisy activists, with a false idea, being popular in the global town square.
@GustavoLovato
@GustavoLovato 2 года назад
@@quietackshon fair enough. I should have written “too many people” … meaning: “more than zero”. Better?
@quietackshon
@quietackshon 2 года назад
@@GustavoLovato My comment wasn't really for your, but those that read your comment. Good on you though. 👌
@Jeoloseph
@Jeoloseph 2 года назад
It didn't show the earth isn't flat because the maths is based off the geometry of an assumed spherical Earth
@africansinclair
@africansinclair 2 года назад
@@Jeoloseph So use their calculations without an assumed spherical earth. What conclusion do you come to?
@chugly11
@chugly11 2 года назад
I admire his dedication to the measurements. A+++
@ericvilas
@ericvilas 2 года назад
At every single step, Hannah was like "what if we did this part the easy way" and at every single step Matt went "NO! WE DO THIS LIKE ANCIENT GREEKS!"
@huzaifaali2352
@huzaifaali2352 2 года назад
he was not greek tho, and Matt is trying to teach us how to be dedicated
@helloiamenergyman
@helloiamenergyman 2 года назад
@@huzaifaali2352 technically yes, but he studied mostly in ancient greece
@huzaifaali2352
@huzaifaali2352 2 года назад
@@helloiamenergyman yeah. that kinda makes sense then, i didnt know that tho, thank u
@rmsgrey
@rmsgrey 2 года назад
The Ancient Greeks a thousand years ago in modern-day Pakistan? That's only about a millennium and a half too late, and about 2/3 of an Earth-radius away...
@victoriap1561
@victoriap1561 2 года назад
@@rmsgrey i think the tools they used in Central Asia were better 😂😂
@juandesalgado
@juandesalgado 2 года назад
Hannah: Do I need to be in the street with you? Matt: Yes, I need someone to apologize for me while I count.
@slowfly1st
@slowfly1st 2 года назад
One of the funniest videos I've seen in quite some time, and it's about math 🙂 I remember in high school, I think we used Pythagoras' formula to calculate the height of a hill using a map for the distance, and the distance from your eye to your thumb. We figured it out my ourselves, and we were super proud 🙂
@bracyp
@bracyp Месяц назад
Absolutely hilarious! And what go my cry-laughing was reading all these comments and reliving the experience again with all the quotes! "The thing is, we got a number!"🤣
@DavidHauka
@DavidHauka 2 года назад
That was way too much fun! Thank you both!
@aDifferentJT
@aDifferentJT 2 года назад
Getting his forearm length surgically altered is serious commitment
@discyple
@discyple 2 года назад
"Can you come and look at the angle, Dr. Fry?" "I just need to come around the ... it's actually professor Fry." FLEX ON 'EM HANNAH
@SenorTallon
@SenorTallon 2 года назад
Took me a minute, those don't mean the same things in the USA.
@jeo1812
@jeo1812 2 года назад
Wait, is professor higher than doctor in the UK? Professors in the US are called Doctors
@richec4486
@richec4486 2 года назад
@@jeo1812 A doctor is just someone who has done a PhD. A professor is purely a rank given in a university once you are sufficiently senior in the department. Our teachers in school are just called teachers not professor or anything.
@glenm99
@glenm99 2 года назад
It's such a funny thing... when I was teaching, I never liked to be called "professor." Doctor is a recognition of learning and research, but professor feels like it's just a job title, a recognition of the fact that you did well in an interview or stumbled upon a teaching position with no better applicants. But... I know many people who think the very opposite! (And I suppose the fact that I abandoned teaching suggests that they have a bit of a point?)
@fictitiousforce9048
@fictitiousforce9048 2 года назад
@@glenm99 professor is a much more prestigious title than lecturer or associate professor
@michaelkovalenko1429
@michaelkovalenko1429 2 года назад
I loved this video! Fun, educational and funny. I love the chemistry between them too. One doesn't need a calculator to figure out how they ended up with an order of magnitude error. For the small H/R and C, we can approximate: R/(R+H) ~ 1-H/R and cosC ~ 1 - C^2/2, so the equation becomes 2*H/R = C^2. 2*H/R ~ 2*0.3/6000 ~ 1/10000. Square root of that: C ~ 0.01 rad or ~0.57° They measured 1.5° - almost 3 times more. That values squared is 9, which gives an order of magnitude error. Detecting the small angle using the mobile phone was the culprit. And the error was magnified by the nonlinear cos function.
@billcook4768
@billcook4768 2 года назад
Not sure I could convert 0.01 rad to degrees without a calculator. Or Siri.
@williamverhoef4349
@williamverhoef4349 2 года назад
What a delightful video! Forget the subject matter, that must have been the most entertaining video I've seen for a long time. And I do love Hannah Fry's English accent offsetting - by which I mean complementing! - Matt Parker's Strine (I mean Australian accent).
@JovialJay
@JovialJay 2 года назад
Did Matt say "Degree to Disdegree" when argue about SIN vs TAN?
@jaqque9633
@jaqque9633 2 года назад
That's exactly what I heard too
@raymondsalzwedel
@raymondsalzwedel 2 года назад
Yep
@aikumaDK
@aikumaDK 2 года назад
If you two wants to collab each time one has a new book out, I am all in favour of you both writing more books.
@jonathansim7148
@jonathansim7148 2 года назад
A question for Matt; when you were on the street measuring the angle to the Shard viewing platform, were you aiming for the ceiling of the viewing platform, the floor of the platform, or some bit in between approximating your height standing on the viewing platform? All three positions could yield slightly different angles and therefore derive different values for H and also give you different margins of error.
@stephenhenley7452
@stephenhenley7452 2 года назад
By my math, a difference of 2 meters would have you off by ~10km
@zorn1745
@zorn1745 2 года назад
@@stephenhenley7452 damn
@Kromaatikse
@Kromaatikse 2 года назад
@@stephenhenley7452 Their biggest source of error, by far, was in the dip-of-horizon measurement from the platform itself. Since they couldn't take their proper instruments up, they had to rely on a very questionable substitute. I'd probably have used a bubble sextant instead.
@elijaprice
@elijaprice Год назад
This is one of the most joyously wholesome videos I've ever seen.
@kevinmartin7760
@kevinmartin7760 2 года назад
At the observation platform, one of you should have stepped, say, 10m back from the window. Then have the other person, still at the window, under your direction, move their finger (on the glass) up or down until it lines up with the horizon. The measure how much lower their finger is compared to your eye height. From that you could calculate the dip angle of the horizon.
@fewwiggle
@fewwiggle 2 года назад
Excellent suggestion -- and if I calculated correctly, a dip of about 10cm is a half of a degree (at 10 m). So, they could have possibly achieved about 0.05 degrees of "precision" Now, I need to calculate how far out the actual horizon is and would it typically be visible from that height.
@seraphina985
@seraphina985 2 года назад
@@fewwiggle From the actual height of the observation deck (243m) it would be about 55.7 km of course this ignores optical effects of viewing from within an atmosphere. While viewing that distance should be easily possible in good conditions that doesn't reflect what we see in the video. There is clear haze present towards the apparent horizon which is a good indication the true horizon may in fact be obscured.
@fewwiggle
@fewwiggle 2 года назад
@@seraphina985 yeah, I'm guessing there aren't a whole lot of days in London with 56 km visibility :-)
@tim40gabby25
@tim40gabby25 2 года назад
Fingers crossed the platform is more than 10m diameter, then.
@fewwiggle
@fewwiggle 2 года назад
@@tim40gabby25 And, the floor is even :-)
@sudgylacmoe
@sudgylacmoe 2 года назад
Using the small angle approximation (which is definitely valid here), when θ is expressed in radians, the radius of the earth is given by R = 2H/θ², which shows why having only three times the correct angle causes a change of an order of magnitude.
@xander1052
@xander1052 2 года назад
yup, the angle was definitely less than 1 degree, so being off significantly is going to lead to significant error.
@juddwestgate
@juddwestgate 2 года назад
This was hilarious, and demonstrates the humor in math. Awesome video!
@hanneselsen5282
@hanneselsen5282 2 года назад
This is exactly the content I needed right now. Thank you for this amazing video!
@TomatoBreadOrgasm
@TomatoBreadOrgasm 2 года назад
Also for the record, correcting the height to the observation platform doesn't salvage the result. Changing the angle to 0.5 absolutely does (doing both gets about 6460 km). If your weapons hadn't been confiscated, you probably would have gotten pretty close.
@AthAthanasius
@AthAthanasius 2 года назад
There's also an assumption that there was sufficient visibility that day. Lack of such would bring the effective horizon closer and thus increase the angle.
@shambhav9534
@shambhav9534 2 года назад
I don't know why the security doesn't cut off our hands and feet because they are obviously a better weapon.
@TomatoBreadOrgasm
@TomatoBreadOrgasm 2 года назад
@@AthAthanasius Yeah, they need a -1° correction. We'll call it the "London Factor".
@samuelthecamel
@samuelthecamel 2 года назад
@@AthAthanasius Not to mention slight elevation changes.
@Septimus_ii
@Septimus_ii 2 года назад
They would have been very close, but largely due to luck. If they'd gone with 0.4° or 0.6° it would have been thousands of kilometers off
@barence321
@barence321 2 года назад
"Mathematicians Acting Stupidly for Fun!" Definitely buying Hannah's book, so I can be a real mathematician just like you two.
@berndeckenfels
@berndeckenfels 2 года назад
19:46 Hannah: „m please - thank you.“ so british… the units not the politeness. I love that woman
@VonSchtauffe
@VonSchtauffe Год назад
They should try this again with absolutely old school techniques. Like string to measure the distance between A&B, a mount for the astrolabe, and an actual mountain
@DownhillAllTheWay
@DownhillAllTheWay Год назад
I agree. To them, the whole experiment was a joke. The original one was a genuine attempt to measure the earth. Maybe the intent here, was to challenge others to do it better - which should be within the capabilities of most.
@viktordominguez
@viktordominguez 2 года назад
I love it when Hannah and Matt make videos together. They have such a unique chemistry and they always nerd out when doing these videos 😁
@kikivoorburg
@kikivoorburg 2 года назад
Can we call 2x Matt’s arm the “Parker Metre?” We can have a whole Parker Unit System with that!
@animarain
@animarain 2 года назад
It doesn't fit the brand though, because 1 Parker meter = 1 actual meter, so, I'd have to say with great sadness, it's both redundant and doesn't fit the Parker characteristic.
@lyrimetacurl0
@lyrimetacurl0 2 года назад
Either it should be defined as 0.998 metres or it should be used to measure distance down a slightly crooked path as he went round a building and called it 200 Parker Cubits.
@kindlin
@kindlin 2 года назад
@@animarain But would it really be _exactly_ 1 meter? Oh, I think we both know the answer to that.
@animarain
@animarain 2 года назад
@@kindlin Well, he's built for maths, though. We definitely cannot deny that!
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 2 года назад
I'm afraid the parker-kilogram would fall more substantially short, and a parker-second would turn out waaaaaay too long.
@markcox8762
@markcox8762 2 года назад
This was pure comic genius. Loved it!
@mikedragonpath
@mikedragonpath 2 года назад
So fun episode with Matt and Hannah together. I hope you make more episodes, and that Matt will make a guest appearance at some point on Curious Cases
@BradenEliason
@BradenEliason 2 года назад
After crunching some numbers, I'm super impressed with Al-Biruni's result! According to Wikipedia, Al-Biruni used a dip angle of 34 arc minutes. This means the mountain that he measured the dip angle from would have been about 312 m above sea level (remarkably close to the height of the Shard if you ignore refraction). By the same logic, you should have measured about 30 arc minutes at the observation deck. Accuracy of measuring the dip has a huge impact on the accuracy of the result. With your measurements, if C is off by a ±0.25° (even with every other measurement being perfect) your error bound goes to about ± the radius of the earth.
@anil-vc1pd
@anil-vc1pd 2 года назад
It's amazing how we struggled with out modern tools while someone ages ago produced a much more precise result. It has to do with the sensitivity of the angle of course. Essentially, AL-Biruni had an awesome protractor.
@hankdewit7548
@hankdewit7548 2 года назад
@@anil-vc1pd and mountain security was lax on that day.
@JohnDoe-ti2np
@JohnDoe-ti2np 2 года назад
Very interesting. This makes me think that Al-Biruni's calculation is "too good to be true." Wikipedia also suggests that Al-Biruni did not take into account atmospheric refraction, which by itself can introduce an error of about 20%, so to get within 2% of the true value seems very lucky. I wonder if Al-Biruni knew ahead of time what answer he was supposed to get?
@anil-vc1pd
@anil-vc1pd 2 года назад
@@JohnDoe-ti2np He just got lucky you think? I can see that happening if the measurement least count is 0.5 degrees but this method can be relatively accurate if you are able to measure seconds.
@imkluu
@imkluu 2 года назад
@@JohnDoe-ti2np Eratosthenes had figured out the circumference of Earth over a thousand years before Al-Buruni, so there is a good chance that he knew this. Eratosthenes calculations were about 5% off.
@cheaterman49
@cheaterman49 2 года назад
I've been playing around with the numbers a bit on my end, and you'd actually need to measure to hundredths of a degree from the Shard to get anything close to an accurate result - it seems like 0.52° would get something OK (from your height measurement of 263m which you explained isn't quite accurate anyway), while only a tiiiiny deviation to 0.56° already makes you off by more than a thousand kilometers ; so from that alone, imagine having 200% error with your 1.5° measurement, and it turns out being "only" an order of magnitude off as a result is actually pretty impressive, hahaha! PS: If you wanted to keep only one significant figure, 0.5° would yield 6900km radius, which isn't too bad! :-) EDIT: Also, considering they probably didn't have such precise protractors a thousand years ago, I think this experiment is best done with actual mountains - if the mountain is 2.6km tall, one might assume you could knock a decimal off the protractor measurement to get a similar precision radius measurement? EDIT2: Again not quite apparently - tried the 2630m mountain, 1.65° gets a relatively accurate measurement while 1.6° is roughly 400km off, so I'm guessing they probably had a protractor that was precise to at least a 20th of a degree, which is impressive in its own right :-)
@ekim613
@ekim613 2 года назад
thanks for that. i wondered what the correct angle from the top of the shard was for them to accurately work out earth's radius, for every tenth of a degree out would impact the the radius by hundreds? of kms did you reverse engineer the angle knowing R (6371) and R+H (6371.3) to get around 0.50°
@cheaterman49
@cheaterman49 2 года назад
@@ekim613 Oh noooo. I'm a programmer, so I simply did trial and error until I saw values that made sense hahaha! Nothing complicated really :-) just a bit of time on my favorite calculator (Python)
@ekim613
@ekim613 2 года назад
@@cheaterman49 if u were to work it out backwards with those numbers, what angle would you get exactly? no need to approximate an angle when you already have the full equation
@cheaterman49
@cheaterman49 2 года назад
@@ekim613 While you're right in principle, I'm not sure it's something I'd really want to spend time doing, I was personally pretty satisfied with an answer that was down to two significant figures hehe :-) but feel free to make your own experiments!
@ekim613
@ekim613 2 года назад
@@cheaterman49 i just did so hehe, quick bit of research and came up with this: A° = cos¯1(adjacent/hypotenuse) cos¯1(6371/6371.3) = 0.5560°
@skyforger8102
@skyforger8102 2 года назад
I love all the videos with you and Hannah.
@jeffreyguilmot8772
@jeffreyguilmot8772 2 года назад
Such great chemistry between you two, it's amazing. Please do more collabs together :-)
@MrJdcirbo
@MrJdcirbo 2 года назад
These two have SO MUCH FUN together. It's always entertaining to watch them dig into some math quirks.
@BHFJohnny
@BHFJohnny 2 года назад
You are basically doing 1 minus almost 1. Meaning you're dividing by a number super close to 0. I'd say even arcminutes are significant here.
@ernest3286
@ernest3286 2 года назад
Watching you guys together is an absolute riot
@adizmal
@adizmal 2 года назад
The buildup for this gets increasingly amusing, good stuff (as usual).
@laurihei
@laurihei 2 года назад
"Call it 'c'! [...] Yeah, you're looking at it." :D Really appreciated that joke.
@Markd315
@Markd315 2 года назад
They have good chemistry together I always like these two together. And honestly it seems like Matt took every opportunity to do things the long way lol
@ps.2
@ps.2 2 года назад
Seriously. I had a big grin for the full 27 minutes and 30 seconds. Dare I say Hannah is a better comedy partner for Matt than even Helen and Steve?
@donlasagnotelamangia
@donlasagnotelamangia 2 года назад
~ to Hannah's amused annoyance
@austinconner3902
@austinconner3902 2 года назад
I hope you continue to plan and prepare as little as possible. I love how you respond to situations like the great protractor confiscation lol.
@thoughthisbemadness
@thoughthisbemadness Год назад
Pure gold. Thank you guys!
@astropgn
@astropgn 2 года назад
I am disappointed that Matt didn't build a wheel on a stick and counted the number of revolutions and then multiplied by its circunference to get the total distance. He could've made a bell that would ding at each revolution and count the number of bells without looking at the wheel!
@peterkelley6344
@peterkelley6344 2 года назад
100% agreed.
@StraightOuttaJarhois
@StraightOuttaJarhois 2 года назад
A wheel, huh? Sounds like a good reinvention.
@kacodemonio
@kacodemonio 2 года назад
And a stand or tripod for the protractor.
@MichaelFJ1969
@MichaelFJ1969 2 года назад
Well, he really should measure a value for pi first ...
@djmips
@djmips 2 года назад
Yeah but it would not have been nearly as funny
@bobspringer3728
@bobspringer3728 2 года назад
The real lesson here is that every measurement has an error. In this case any small error is the measurement of angles creates a much larger error in the final result.
@thomasboonty852
@thomasboonty852 2 года назад
You both are so funny! I can’t wait to pick up Hannah’s book!
@BristolPilotCutterCarlotta
@BristolPilotCutterCarlotta 2 года назад
Bloody brilliant! You guys are fantastic
@stevemonkey6666
@stevemonkey6666 2 года назад
Of course, The Shard security detail has a "geometry bin". Doesn't everyone?
@FirstLast-gw5mg
@FirstLast-gw5mg 2 года назад
It's where they put confiscated weapons of maths instruction.
@nickfarmer2452
@nickfarmer2452 2 года назад
"A large protractor and a laser-guided spirit level? Certainly I'll look. Any identifying or distinguishing marks?"
@HagenvonEitzen
@HagenvonEitzen 2 года назад
@@nickfarmer2452 "Okay, we have a 90° and a 180° protractor here, which one is yours?"
@theheadshot45
@theheadshot45 2 года назад
I demand to see a remake with yourself and Dr Fry where you use an actual mountain and the giant protractor.
@dielaughing73
@dielaughing73 2 года назад
Professor*
@justpassingthrough7728
@justpassingthrough7728 Год назад
This was really entertaining, you two make a good maths duo
@in3223
@in3223 2 года назад
hannah is a total stud, nice work guys this was really a fun video. hope you got more than one cocktail
@timallan8535
@timallan8535 2 года назад
I have never smiled that much during a math lesson. That was so much fun. We need more of you two interacting on math questions
@QuantumHistorian
@QuantumHistorian 2 года назад
Three Parker videos in two days? Is this what maths heaven is like?
@DanielHatchman
@DanielHatchman 2 года назад
Is that like a Parker square?
@RayLitos
@RayLitos 2 года назад
Love all your videos. They are truly amazing
@montymichael3480
@montymichael3480 2 года назад
The energy between them is amazing.
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