Lebron went from saying it's gonna be easy and we'll win 8 championships to we didn't have enough help and we still made it to the finals. Such a loser
@@gamebred-gannicus2060 that's why someone should ask him what his criteria for being a goat is then use it against him; every time LBJ opens his mouth, his words more often than not- backfires in his face
He had to have a premonition type dream or something...no way you write a check that big and back it up. Makes Babe Ruth calling his shot small in comparison.
For me he's Goat case was over as soon as he got swept in the NBA finals against the Spurs, i mean if you are a Goat you should atleast be able to win 1 game out of the series. I was like this Chump ain't no Goat Material 🤦🏽♂️. Than he got swept again and lost another Finals by the largest amount of point difference in NBA HiSTORY. And you still trying to compare yourself to the real Goat Jordan.
Don’t underestimate the power of Klutch propaganda. This should be clear as day but you still have a lot of misinformed fans claiming he’s the goat despite the blunders in the NBA Finals.
Why don’t you do an episode on how many field goals lebron James scored in the last 5 minutes (clutch time) of the last 4 games of the finals. Can you believe he didn’t have a single field goal in those 4 games against the mavericks 😂😂😂😂😂
Lebron 21, Bosh 19, D Wade 17. 57 total. Jordan at 35 having an extremely off game due to exhaustion and facing what everyone knew was a must win Game 6 against the Jazz in 98 score 45 by himself, including the Bulls' last six points.
The crazy part is that his fans will dog Kobe and AI for their FG attempts and always throw out the word efficiency. At least Kobe and AI will go out swinging!Their GLOAT disappeared when he knew he would hurt his “efficiency” and still was inefficient 😂😂💀💀☠️
This. I know MJ didn’t make it out of the first round for a few years. And got swept by Bird in 1986 by one of the GOAT teams. However, MJ averaged 43ppg on 50FG. That exemplifies: “go down swinging” and it left Bird speechless; SPEECHLESS even tho he swept MJ 3-0.
The sports media has changed since 2011. Instead of giving objective praise/criticism for athletes, it became about propping up their personnel for agendas. Before the whole coaching debacle with JJ Redick, 2011 was the last time Stephen A. really gave criticism to LeBron. And every time after this, he had preface his comments by saying Lebron is a good husband, father etc. All the other athletes got their share of criticism but Lebron couldn’t be touched even if he had bad performances. It’s just mind blowing to see now.
If you think back. The Heat were way better when compared to the Mavs than the GSWs were compared to Cleveland. Yet the Mavs took Miami and beat them, while Cleveland lost by 5 both years. Crazy.
Facts! That the real choke. 2009 Cavs win 66 gms and all they had to do was beat Orlando, without starting guard Jameer Nelson, and the world gets to wat h Kobe sweep him in Finals....
And it was 8 points in over 40 mins played. Let’s not get started on Jason Terry taking his lunch money and JJ Barea shutting him down. He also had a stellar 7 point performance in 2014.
larry bird had multiple below 10pt games in the finals and no one dogs him for it like they do lebron. magic choked in the finals twice and no one remembers magic for those chokes. lebron also has like 3 of the best finals performances ever. he also beat a 73-9 team from being down 3-1. he also led a non championship team to the finals in 2018.
These historical videos are kryptonite to James' fans that like to engage in revisionist history. The simple fact is that James was disqualified from the discussion over a decade ago, by coming up small when heavily favored.
Yup. Thats why for my own sanity i needed to go back and watch the media coverage here. Wanted to make i remember it right and we all knew it back then, biggest choke job ever
When Lebron's career has featured fundamentally unsound defense, there's no defense for him to "get into." A true GOAT doesn't get cooked by role players.
Players can have bad games but the issue is he didn't get back and destroy the role players (Terry & Barea) and show that he is a star player/ starter. Show that his team can depend on him. Lead by example. All he did was shrink and cower in the moment for most of the series
Lebron has never been an elite defender. People need to stop that crap. "I can guard all 5 positions...". Stop. I can guard all 5 positions, too. Anyone can. It don't mean you're good at it. Who has he ever shut down in a big game? With the entire world asking Can he stop Jason Terry... Jason Terry lit his ass up more! 😂
Can guard all 5 positions but can't guard any position above average. So the argument is void imo. I'd rather a guy who can lock down a position first. Rodman could guard all 5 spots well and he's the only dude i can say could ever do that.
To make an example. 2009 Cavs went from 1st defense in the league with lebron on the court to the equivalent of 18th when he sat. He allowed the lowest PPG, FG% and efficiency among all players at his position. He had a better defensive rating and more defensive win shares than Jordan in his 1988 DPOY season. He made all defensive first team and finished second in DPOY behind 3 times DPOY Dwight Howard. To say that he has never been an elite defender is just plain ignorance
@@Robss_ An elite defender that never gets 100 blocks in a season or 200 steals? And no statistical titles? He was playing defense based on his athleticism. And it helped get them the best record in the league.
@@Refining_Visionary so anything that doesn’t end in a block or a steal isn’t great defense?🤦♂️ Jrue Holiday career high for steals in a season is 123, and blocks it’s 64. So jrue holiday isn’t a great defender? Such a casual way to judge a player.
@@TheRealMindCrime exactly but because they showed grit during their run fanboys say they were the SUPER TEAM…saying things like nobody was beating Dallas that year..gimme a break
Pretty crazy Dirk had a Jordan Esque flu game in this finals series, down 2-1 and scored 10 points in the 4th quarter for the win. Lead his team to win a ring against a team they had no business beating. killer mentality stuff right there.
Any talk of him being the goat was over after that finals. The excuse was he wasn't comfortable in the offense what about the first three rounds prior to the nba finals so yeah him purposely Playing bad is not far fetched
Jason Terry got that shot off on LeBron because of basic fundamentals. Classic one dribble pull up to create space. Players like Bird,MJ, Reggie Miller etc. mastered this but players were not skilled back then. 😏😏😏
I can’t take their “90s were unskilled” narrative seriously when a 6’2 185 lb player that started his career in the 90s made a fool of their golden boy in the finals 😂.
Yeah but still impressive getting that off vs a 6" 9 monster in front of him lol. Lebron should have had an easy block there but he can't play defense lol
D wade should have two finals mvps . Lebron wasnt about to be no robin. He said oh no we will just start fresh next season when it’s all about me again.
Bron was also up 2-1 in 2015 against dubs, even won game 3 without Love and Kyrie. That’s why i feel if LeBron hated losing enough to perfect his craft even more like Kobe, he would have had at least 2 more rings in 2011 and 2015
ESPN from the beginning, with The Decision… they were in this from the beginning. Propping up this paper King… promised 8 rings and only winning 2 is so LeBron, so on brand.
8 rings promised rings to his daring the media and 8 straight finals appearances to do it. Could Have been a absolute legend had he won all 8 he would have great argument but he blew it and was not good enough/ didn’t make his teammates good enough to win since that one of his abilities you give him. Lost 5 of 8 and as the other two he lost in 2007 and won in 2020.
@@South_Central63 thats fine but I’d don’t hold it to the same degree as other rings either. But am still going to mention it as it did happen. And am not in to pretending things didn’t happen just cause it not as good. But I am in to saying it is was cheap and not the same. Just like how we can’t use hypothetical you can’t take things out of reality either. Thats the only reason why I mentioned 2020. In my opinion it ain’t shit.
@@TheRealMindCrime there is no debate with him we know he paying everyone to put him in the debate. Do to who he knows an his stats as a celebrity hurts people to not be in his circle but his time is coming to an end
I'm fine with number 2. He's not my number 2 but some really value total stats. I have a problem when someone says he's better than Jordan. Lebron isn't close to being the Goat to me and not anywhere near my top 5.
Kobe and Mike went to work when they lost and that was the theme of the post game. I’m gonna work my ass off and come back better. Lebron is out there getting defensive because his poor wittle ego got hurt and comes back with more all star role players so he can stack the odds even more in his favor. Anyone calling him the goat needs to check their own values. Do you pocket all the draw 4’s when you play UNO too? Probably roll your shoulders when you lay one of them bitches down too. 😂
I remember watching the 2011 NBA Finals when I was 6 years old, about to be 7 years in October that year and I ain't gonna lie, I knew LeBron played bad but I had absolutely no idea that LeBron played this bad, especially in the 4th quarter, like damn only scoring 8 points in a critical game 4 to go up 3-1 in the series and you play like this, this is embarrassing an what's more embarrassing is that you let Jason Terry and JJ Barea, 2 bench players lock you up on defense, putting you in a jail cell. I never thought he actually played this bad because I was only 6 at that time, and since I was living in Dallas (which I still do) I picked to win this series and I'm still surprised to this day that Dallas actually won that series
I remembered vividly. He can only play one way. The LeSystem. He always needs the ball in his hands to control everything because his game is severely limited without the ball. No consistent post game, no off ball game except for cutting to the rim once in a while, no handles. His best "move" is just lowering his shoulder to the rim using his off arm to push off while taking 4 steps minimum before finishing. In Miami they played a real system, so once he played a high IQ team that actually plays like a real team in Dallas, he was lost. He didn't know what to do. Every playoff series before that, they just got by on talent. The best team they beat in the East was a D Rose led Bulls team, and he was the only player on that team that can create his offense. They should've beaten Dallas in 5. 6 tops. That's why Wade took a step back the years after, he was being a real leader and sacrificed his stats, played off the ball more, for the team, and let LeBron control the offense more. Because he knew that LeBron can't do it, he's never learned how to play off ball and he's not interested in learning because if he does then he'll have to sacrifice his stats, and he'll never do that. I don't mean to bring him up but that's what MJ did when Phil became the coach. He sacrificed his gaudy stats for the team. Bron is just not interested in doing that.
@@trowabarton321 That's 100% true like the fact that LeBron quit on Cleveland and build a superteam in Miami in that weak ass Eastern Conference and as you said, the Bulls were the only good team the Heat faced going through the playoffs in the Eastern Conference and D Rose being the only offensive threat for the Bulls and then come to this series against Dallas in the Finals and have a choke job like this. This is embarrassing
@@Kings0424 I remember the Bron-tards always bringing up that "LeBron shut down D Rose!" As a Bulls fan. I just laugh, because the 2nd best offensive player on the Bulls was slow Carlos Boozer who was only great in Utah because of the pick and pop offense with D Williams. He can hit a good midrange jumper but he can't create for himself. It's easy to defend the Bulls when nobody else is a threat on offense. The Bulls swept them in the regular season but Miami was just going through the motions. And Chicago played every game like it's game 7 in the finals. I knew we were still the big underdog. Defense was great but our offense was Rose. Then all of a sudden he can't guard an old Jason Terry and JJ Barea. And can't score on the post against an old way past his Kidd. And Rose was better than the 3 of them combined. And Dallas didn't even have their 2nd best player in Caron Butler. All around that's the biggest choke job in sports history. Miami had no business losing.
@@TheRealMindCrime Yeah I got that same thing. To be honest, when he quit on Cleveland against Boston in 2010, my 5 year old self at that time was like, yeah he definitely quit on Cleveland but I was like, I'll give him one more chance to at least redeem himself, which I don't know why because I kinda been criticizing him after he lost to Orlando in 2009 but when he choked in the 2011 NBA Finals against Dallas, yeah I was done
So, this is the team LeBron recently said lacked the firepower. And it took an aged Stephen A to remind him who lost the series for the team. And watching those post-game comments, LeBron was even capping for himself back then.
I remember watching the final game of this series at TGI fridays. Some random dude yelled out at me "he got beat by a WHITE boy!" The goat debate effectively ended right there lmao
There will never ever ever be an excuse or defense for this. Not then, not now, not in the future. There's no blameshifting, no podcast, no anything that lebron could try to put together to expunge this. I bet his documentary will try hype up Dallas in the build up and make it seem like the heat weren't ready yet but we literally have footage of lebron giving his team a pep talk and all of them together not winning another game for the series 🤦♂️
The amount of revisionist history LeBron fans have tried to do with this finals is hilarious. They want to act as if this series was so far back you'd think it happened around Russells Celtics. It was almost 14 years ago. I was in college. If you're over the age of 25 you witnessed this debacle and remember the story. The biggest cope job is when you hear apologists mention the Mavs sweeping Kobe and the Lakers. Yes that happened. And everyone outside of Dallas picked the Heat. They want you to view the Mavs as a sneaky Super-team when nobody viewed them that way. It's a meme now but the "not 1, not 2...not 7" looked like a possibility because that's how stacked that Heat team looked when he took his talents to south beach. Most people don't know that the 98 Jazz Swept Kobe and Shaq after a gentleman sweep of the Duncan/Robinson/Pop spurs after taking care of Hakeem and the Rockets. You want to know why that isn't mentioned like Dallas sweeping Kobe? Because it's not used as a coping mechanism to explain why MJ crapped the bed in the Finals and the Bulls lost the series. Not to mention i've seen some people actually LeBrons collapse is Wades fault because LeBron decided to defer to wade and it screwed up his rhythm. And i'm always going to remind everyone that he promised more than 7 rings but left after 4 years. It was always conditional on everything going perfectly. That's why he left without telling Wade and Bosh until after he signed with Cleveland.
Don't forget the reason nobody knew he was leaving miami was the hold up with him demanding Cleveland trade for kevin love, if they couldn't get love he wouldn't go there
One thing that I appreciate more about the former greats is when they made bold claims of what they would accomplish, they kept their word: - Bill Russell before tip off of the 1969 NBA Finals Game 7 told the new superteam Lakers their celebration balloons were staying up. - Moses Malone's iconic "4 4 4" was almost perfectly kept with a 12-1 playoff run. - If Larry Bird told you where and how he was going to score on you, he followed through with it. Not to mention asking who was coming in second before winning the three point contest. - He's not a great, but Jason Terry's championship trophy tattoo at the beginning of the season and playing as well as he did in the Finals to a victory is pretty hardcore. "Not 5 Not 6 Not 7 ..I really believe that.", "Playoff mode", "Keep that same energy" statements with zero follow-through shows LeBron just blows a lot of hot air.
"Not 1, not 2, not 3... not 7". The most infamous quote in the history of all sports. He will never be able to live this one down.. and will not be forgotten lol 😂😂😂😂
I have been saying for YEARS that Lebron acts like a jealous little girl. He's ALWAYS been like that. He doesn't like anyone being better than him or getting more attention. Look at what they did to Tatum and Brown this yr. He didn't want NBA champs playing with him in the Olympics so it could be all about him. That manchild has not changed. He treated Kevin Love like garbage and when Wade went to Cleveland he treated his so-called best friend like garbage. He couldn't stand Kobe despite what you see on film with these 2. But his BronBrons call him the goat. whatever...
I believe he knew he wasn't going to win the finals mvp, had they won. So he just became uninterested. Wade was doing his job. LeBron wasn't. So he basically sabotaged the heat. Think about it. This past season, he was all in shooting crazy. As soon as he knew he wasn't going to win the all star mvp, he checked out and never went back in.
And let me add this: It was specifically after this series I lost all respect for Lebron...ALL respect. Nothing he's done after has redeemed him for that nonsense. Lack of aggression, lack of will, lack of skill, lack of team mindset. He singlehandedly caused his team a title. And he did it the same way when he wet the bed in Cleveland in 2010 purposely throwing that series against Boston so he wouldn't face Kobe. His team was up 2-1...JUST like the Dallas series...and Boston won 3 games in a row. Those last 3 games? These are Lebron's numbers: Game 4 - Boston 97 - Cle 87 7-18 shooting, 22 pts (8 from the stripe), 0-5 3PA %0, 9 rebs, 8 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk, 7 TOV
This one right here puts Dirk higher on my list of greats. Man has heart and played through a 102 degree illness and rose to the occasion. Plus he won that chip at 32...staying in the same franchise that drafted him the whole time. True champion.
The look on Pat Riley’s face during Lebron’s “Not 1, not 2, not 3…” torrent of verbal diarrhea is classic. You know he was beginning to realize that Lebron is just an imbecile. 😂🤣 Riley was great because he did not put up with Lebron’s crap. Yet another great reaction from you!
I thought that LeNarrative could guard from 1 to 5. Well, I guess not. What it is incredible is that he didn't improve that much in his fundamentals. He might be a little better 3-point shooter, but he still bad shooting FT's, no post - up game to speak of, a turnover machine. He didn't set to get better at these things after losing against the Mavs. Even worse, he stopped playing defense.
I don't think LeBron through the game I think LeBron tried to win the game and ended up choking not on purpose, it's just he doesn't have that type of fight in him.
Bruh I lived in South Florida during this time and I watched that entire series and LBJ purposely threw that game. He wasn't tryna score he was missing shots he normally makes. He would be under the rim with the position for the rebound and literally wouldn't go for the ball. He would stand around acting like he didn't know what he was doing out there. Bruh I'm telling u everyone was like "WTF IS HE DOING HES BLOWING THE GAME ON PURPOSE" Wasn't a choke job it was a sabotage job frfr
The only analyst I recall picking Dallas to win in 2011 was Marc Stein. I didn’t think my Mavs would get past the Lakers in the 2nd round, so once they did that, I was certain they’d at least get back to the Finals. The comeback in Game 2 was what made me a believer, though. I knew we could do it after that.
Lebron recruited chris paul after losing 2011 finals. The deal was almost made until wade and paul had beef about whos gonna wear Jersey no.3😂. And Lebron’s stat padding history started also after losing 2011 finals because his lost 10+ points game streak record in playoff😂
Thats one thing you always note about LeBron. Anytime someone asks about something HE could have done better, he deflects to the team when the question was asked about him.
I’ve never understood why anybody talks about him as the GOAT. Only thing he’s great at is running and jumping for a man his size and even that is Balco enhanced. Mid passer, mid ball handler, mid rebounder, mid shooter… don’t you have to be GREAT at something to be the greatest?! Oh and let’s not forget the things he’s bad at like closing games, free throws and effort. If we were going to talk about anybody from this generation, it should be Steph.
I just LOVE how they had to take LeBron off Jason Terry because he was in his bag after he acknowledged how poorly he played to start the series and PUBLICLY challenged himself and LeBron after game 2. I will never forget how he fried the phony GOAT and how Dirk and several of the other players walked off the court to show that same DISRESPECT that LeBron (and Heat) showed throughout the entire series. LeBron was owned by Duncan, Steph, Dirk, KD, Kawhi, Iggy, & Tony Parker in the Finals, but they want us to believe this fraud is the greatest basketball player to ever live? HAHAHAHAHA
People are still crapping on Isiah Thomas today for not shaking hands with the bulls (rightfully) but somehow LeBron is the goat when he has all the tools to win and loses the finals and go straight to the locker. Sore losers don't make for good winners.
This is very interesting to go back and see what the media was saying. I remember in REAL TIME it was bad. Happy he was able to recover. Can you do 04 Kobe in the finals next? He is my favorite player but I would like to see the coverage. 04 & 11 are stains on their resumes. 2 of the worst finals performances from a superstar. Crazy how both got better after those losses
That series was the nail in the coffin for me. That moment told me LeBron is the most overrated I've ever seen (I watched Bird, Magic, Jordan and Kobe entire career)
Look - let’s be honest - the term “choke” is usually reserved for a person, or team, that is [temporarily] having a bad night. This was consecutive underperformance of one particular player throughout four (4) games - with one surprisingly abysmal performance in Game 4. Because of this - and I have no evidence stating either way - no one has disproved to me that LeBron didn’t throw this series to payoff a bet. With the exception of his preposterous THAT MADE ME THE GOAT crap, that super team arrogance over mics - “Not 1, Not 2, Not 3, etc.” - hasn’t been seen since. So… I think LeBron threw that series after Game 3. I am willing to bet (haha) that he promised a specific spread to someone or someones in Games 1, 2, or 3 (or all of the above) but didn’t make it because Dirk and the others were REAL. To save his skin or his life maybe, he threw the rest of the series to cover the bet. No evidence, No one else except me said it… but 35 years watching basketball + a little street sense + the world’s craziest choke-in-extremis equal something foul in my book and it wasn’t the flu.
@IkeThe9th I agree that he threw this series as well & I never thought that before because I didn’t watch the games back-then. But immediately from the first clip in this vid, my radar went up & wether by choice or force I 💯% think he threw it. 🫡
