Today I do a reaction to a Uncut Hoops video called LeBron Fan GETS OBLITERATED IN GOAT DEBATE. Head over to their channel and shoot a like and subscribe, he's great! Link is below: • LeBron Fan GETS OBLITE...
Oh man....if you I might have an ulcer reacting to that lol. This guy is insane Uncut. Bravo to you for keeping your composure while debunking all of his crazy statements
@uncuthoops Man this was a great video bro. I might not agree with everything you say in your video but I respect your opinions alot. You absolutely destroyed that dude in that video
Lebron fanboys are so delusional!!! They make me sick to my stomach!!!! Lebron fanboys remind me of The Dallas Cowboys fan base. They're ignorant, childish, delusional, and pathetic. Lebron fanboys will do anything to tarnish Michael Jordan's legacy. I'm starting to think that, they still believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. They probably eat toothpaste and, think it's ice cream.
2011 Finals. Taken to school by Jason Terry. JJ Barea shut you down. 8 points in 40+ mins. That’s not even your worst playoff. 2014 ECF Playoffs scored 7 points.
They act like Lebron didn't get his ass whooped for 7 years as well before he went to go crawl his ass the D Wade and build a superteam because he couldn't do it in Cleveland with the best record in the league 2 years in a row. And he's still choked with D Wade and Bosh 😂😂😂😂😂
Yea when he was getting his ass whooped they were quick to say ohh he needed help but won’t keep that same energy for Jordan when he was getting whooped early in his career, I wish uncut hoops would just say stopping this 🤡 right here instead of calling him a guy😂😂😂
@@yeelahowah7476 I agree its 3 franchise players teaming up they should all take heatfor making the Leastern conference. The only reason they don't as much as Leloser he be calling himself the goat and pumping himself up through the media with getting stats but getting smoked its so annoying. Its like Patrick Ewing leaving the Knicks Reggie Miller leaving the Pacers teaming up with MJ now he dont got to go through Pacers and Knicks. or even take Shaq and Penny and skip Orlando out the playoffs Leloser. mindset.
Agree 100 percent but sadly he’s not going away. I kid you not, espn was talking the other day in nba today about him being an owner of an expansion team which is obviously old news. BUT they were saying half (and I mean half) jokingly that if he wins a championship as an owner, it should count towards his ring count! One said “why not, rings is rings”! That’s not it tho. Next they said “Jordan never won as an owner”. As if to continue this so called goat “debate “ for years to come even when he’s done stat padding on the court
Yup. I wanted Charles to get just 1. After he broke my heart as a Charles Barkley fan I rooted against Jordan in 96, 97 & 98 but NO ONE was beating Jordan. Dude was just 2 good
I've never heard anybody argue LeBron over MJ without using false accusations, disingenuous facts, and just flat out lies. Now winning doesn't matter because they know LeBron won't win as many championships. Not to mention MJ is better both sides of the ball then Bron. So they change it to Longevity matters when it didn't matter with Kareem and Kareem had a better resume then Bron. I'm tired of this.. just want Bron and his toxicity to leave the game I love already.
Lebum fans know that Lebum isn't even close to Mike. So they resort to trying to diminish Mike's legacy in any way possible. They never state Lebum's accomplishments and leave it at that because they know they don't match up to Mike's.
For real like I'm only 19 and even I know that MJ is way way better than LeBron. Never been a LeBron fan. To be honest, either MJ or Kobe are my GOAT because I really can't go wrong with either one but me personally Kobe is my GOAT because I was born in 2004 and I grew up watching Kobe alot, even though he destroyed my Sacramento Kings every year
There's that saying: "In order to be the best you have to beat the best". LeBron fans don't think that way. Their systematic attempts to diminish Jordan's era is a subconscious white flag signifying that they don't feel confident LeBron's GOAT case can stand on its own. They're arguing from a place of weakness. You would think they'd be fine with acknowledging Jordan's era being strong because then it makes LeBron's era look that much better.
I don't understand why Ledork fans are so invested in him being the goat. He's not and even if he was y'all fanboys still have to go back to your miserable lives.
First the ignorance about Magic. Then, "You not gonna win by yoself" is an argument for 80s Jordan's deficiencies? OK, this guy is making my IQ drop rapidly.
I got into a debate at my warehouse over Lebron getting MVP. The opposition believed that he deserves it and I argued that Curry, Davis, Durant, or Jrue were all more qualifying candidates than Lebron. It’s actually depressing that people take media coverage as gospel instead of gossip.
LeBron fanboys make excuses for the opponent, but the fact is this. Jordan's opponent`s were better rank at MVP race each season than Lebron`s. '91 Magic : Ranked 2nd (Jordan was the MVP) '92 Drexler : Ranked 2nd (Jordan was the MVP) '93 Barkley : MVP (Jordan ranked 3rd) '96 Payton: Ranked 6th (Jordan was the MVP) '97 Malone: MVP (Jordan Ranked 2nd) '98 Malone : Ranked 2nd (Jordan was the MVP) < MVP ranked average for opponent over 6 years: 2.33 // Jordan average over 6 years: 1.5 > ======================================= '07 Duncan: Ranked 4th (Lebron was 5th) '11 Nowitchiki : Ranked 6th (Lebron was 3rd) '12 Durant : Ranked 2nd (Lebron was the MVP) '13 Parker : Ranked 6th (Lebron was the MVP) '14 Duncan : Ranked 12th (Lebron was 2nd) '15 Curry: MVP (Lebron was 3rd) '16 Curry: MVP (Lebron was 3rd) '17 Curry: Ranked 6th (Lebron was 4th) '18 Durant: Ranked 7th (Lebron was 2nd) '20 Butler: Ranked 11th (Lebron was 2nd) < MVP ranked average for opponent over 10 years : 5.6 // 10-year average for Lebron: 2.6 ===================================== Summarize 1. During the Finals, Lebron's opponent's MVP ranking(5.6) was lower than Jordan's opponent's(2.33). 2. Conversely, Jordan's MVP ranking(1.5) during the Finals is higher than Lebron`s ranking(2.6). 3. Jordan was stronger than LeBron in the Finals, faced tougher opponents, and still won more games.
LeBron got swept twice, lost six out of ten times, I don’t know how people think that LeBron better then Steph Curry, Curry beat LeBron in the finals three out of four times. Like I always said LeBron cares about his stats then winning 🏅 this video got me upset lol
Yeah! I remember AI talking about that. Calling KJ trash is blasphemous! KJ was our star until Barkley got here and even then he still kinda was to us here in phx.
@@TheRealMindCrime I was always a Jazz fan back in the day and KJ would regularly cook Stockton when they played. Dude was one of the best of his era and is sadly not all that well remembered.
They had one of the best guard line-ups of that period. They just ran into Isiah and Dumars in 1990 and then Jordan in 1992. The West had more parity post-Kareem, there were really interesting teams. Competition was stacked at the top end of league, and even the mid-tier teams could pull out a few surprises. Jordan's dominance just overshadowed his competition. Part of it was the league's doing, because they did their best to market a transcendent star, and the premature retirement of Magic just cleared the way for Jordan to be the sole beneficiary of the marketing push.
Jordan and Malone are the same age and Stockton is one year older than both. If you wanna get technical, Jordan is about 5 months older than Malone. Hell, Stockton and Jordan were in the same draft. Plus, the Bulls average age in 1997 was 1.5 years older than the Jazz and 2.5 years older them in 1998. The 1997 and 1998 Bulls are in the top 3 of oldest teams to ever win a title. This whole "The Jazz were an old ass team" is a myth that can easily be debunked with 2 minutes of research.
Yeah. And Lebron came in 2003..and his ass was whooped too ih 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024😂
Also, every adult in 2024 should know the difference between HIV and AIDS, period. Anyone that doesn't is on the same level as flat-earthers in my opinion.
Claiming Magic had aids in the finals year!? Wow, this is whole new level of fuckery. LeBron fans are the only fans in sports history who want to discredit the past until it doesn't exist, where the tradition in sports is to acknowledge the past greats and try to surpass them, which in absolutely no way has LeBron.
let us say he has HIV or AIDS but his performance is still on mvp level. during that time there is no excuse but still Magic still performed in a MVP level. but twisting the facts that he has it wow.
It's only going to ramp up from here, until LeNarcisist retires. He knows that if he isn't confirmed as the G.OA.T. by the fans, before he stops holding the NBA hostage, that it will never happen afterwards. It's sad to see how hard LeFraud is trying, but, like most of his finals appearances, he is going to up very short and devoid of the result he thinks he deserves. In reality, LeBalco is a pathetic, little man. Smh
Jerome Kersey, Buck Williams, Cliff Robinson, Drazen the year before, considered the best Starting 5 along with Clyde the Glide. Look them up? Reboundd, defense, fast break , high scoring gast break gods. The West was Tougj back thwn.
That guy looks like he has to really take a piss but started thinking about basketball. That's never a good idea to hold it like that, it scrambled his brain. He should've went potty before he made the video
2010 LeBron going to Miami with Wade & Bosh, would be like Jokic going to Dallas with Luka & being joined by AD. If they didn't win "not 4, not 5, not 6" it would be looked at as a complete failure & stain on Jokic's legacy no one would let him forget. LeBron though? He's been doing PR & media (manipulation) relations for 15 years now, so the corporate stooges who shape basketball opinion give him a pass, hoping they can somehow benefit from kissing his ass. This was the case Skap made, & I think it's spot on.
Dwight blocking out the sun against Lebron is a great series that gets overlooked. JJ redick talking about that series like the cavs had zero chance is crazy cope. Lebron was an absolute beast at the rim and it took a ridiculously athletic Dwight to snuff him out consistently at the rim. Dwight saved Lebron from the warcrime Kobe's lakers were gonna do to that team.
Wait till Gen Alpha Wemby fans come online to trash LeBron like most millennials who saw Jordan (and Kobe). I never saw Muhammad Ali, Pele, Babe Ruth but know they're GOATS.
If you pay close attention LeBron fans have a familiar pattern…hold Jordan accountable for everything even as a rookie and make every excuse in the book for LeBron 🙏🙏
that's the thing about lebron fans when it comes to stuff like this: their arguments are totally reliant on a person's lack of knowledge of basketball history. in order for them to when against you, you have to be stupider than they are.
So he praises the Bulls after Jordan leaves for winning 55 games then calls all the teams Jordan faced in the finals garbage, which won more games. Makes sense
Ive always wondered how MJ got to that corner at 17:46 so sneakly. EVERYONE knows better than to leave MJ not guarded for even a second, let alone in the finals.
Remember they didn't respect Jordan's 3 point shooting at the time and that was the series everyone realized if he wanted to do it all the time he could lol
that was coaches fault. Before the series he said the press that they were gonna leave him open at the 3 point line because he couldn't shoot 3s. MJ took it personally and torched them with 3 after 3 after 3 lol
I actually have to thank Lebron fans for helping me see the truth. See, there was a time when I did consider Lebron one of the best after MJ, an amazing player. But the constant shouting from his fanboys about how flawless he is, and the constant direct attacks on MJ's era, made me deep dive and realize... Lebron doesn't even have a strong argument for top ten. He had no success until the NBA turned into a cupcake league, so much of his career is manufactured. Him, other players, and sometimes the NBA as a whole have deliberately stacked the odds in his favor as much as possible... and he still choked on multiple occasions, sometimes to bench warmers. He's terrible in the clutch, he's had more All-Star level assistance than any other superstar in basketball, he load manages like crazy, he's allowed to travel so much he ought to be a spokesman for American Airlines, and he practically naps on defense while making sure to get 1 solid rundown block so people will "OMG look how he hustles on defense!" Lebron gets cooked, he cries about not having help and jumps to another manufactured team. MJ gets cooked, he takes it personally and beefs up to humiliate you in the future, just like he did to the Pistons in '91 and the Magic in '96. MJ used loss as motivation, not an excuse to runaway. Lebron gets cramps in a game and lets himself be carried away like a teenage girl so his team can flounder. In the '97 Finals MJ contracted food poisoning, was advised by doctors not to play, and still willed himself onto the court to drop 30+ because that was a critical game. The fact is the stats are irrelevant. With as much help as Lebron has been afforded in his career, both on the court and in the back office, he ought to have enough rings to rival Bill Russell at this point. Instead a large portion of his career was spent dominating a weak conference with superteams only to get spanked and put in timeout once the lights were at their brightest.
Jeez the cognitive dissonance is so strong with these guys. Its earily similar to Ronaldo fans whove become weird after Messi winning the World Cup in 22
BJ Armstrong hit a big 3 on the baseline to go up 1 versus the Knicks in game 5 thanks to a Skip Pass from MJ. That set up the sequence when MJ and SP stopped Charles Smith to preserve the win in MSG. I think MJ even set up BJ again for a wide open layup to finish it off.
LeBron has *NEVER* won an NBA Finals with fewer than *2 HOF* teammates: 2012 = DWade & Bosh 2013 = DWade, Bosh, & Allen 2016 = Kyrie & KLove 2020 = AD, Howard, & Rondo In *ALL 4 INSTANCES* , LeBron's team "HOFer count" equalled or surpassed his opponent's. Jordan has won 3 with *JUST Pippen* as his HOF teammate (1991-93) and was "out HOFed" in 1991, 3 HOFers to 2. LeBron is 2-12 (swept twice), in the NBA Finals, with 1 or fewer HOF teammates. Jordan is 12-5. Jordan has lost to *one team* when his team "out HOFed" them (1995 Magic). LeBron has lost to *5* (2009 Magic, 2011 Mavericks, 2021 Suns, 2023 Nuggets, and 2024 Nuggets). Counting HOFers is fun.
"The lies are flying so fast, its hard to keep up." (Uncut Hoops) That's a debate tactic: Make up a lot of stuff quickly and confidently. The people who don't know the facts will just gobble them up. I've seen Nick Wright do that on the regular.
The whole Lebron being the GOAT debate is ridiculous. Forget stats and accomplishments, who can play the game of basketball better. The best basketball player to ever play the game was Jordan he could do everything on the court. Lebron can't shoot, can't shoot free throws, can't dribble, no post game, don't play defense cuz he wanna save energy on the offensive side and he still sucked lol. All he can do is run fast run people over and layup or dunk. What makes it even worse is the one thing he was so called good at (dunking) he didn't participate in the dunk contest. Fans were begging him to participate but he let us all down like always cuz he was scared he couldn't win lol.
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FUN FACT: This is how Lebron got over on the entire basketball world and I never heard anyone else say this. LBJ plays 2 positions. PG on offense (assists) and SF on defense. (rebounds) This is how he’s racking up stats. If I’m not mistaken he’s the only player in history to ever do this. Everyone else played the same position on both ends. Now if James did that like everybody else one of his stats would decrease significantly. So when he’s getting triple doubles fans think he’s killing the game but this he how he’s getting his numbers. He’s getting stats for 2 positions. 🤷♂️
Before the drug problems he was soooo good so fast! Last any of us heard of Dumas he was in a trailer park all messed up. My friend in behavioral health was out there to assist. I hope he's well.
I think the biggest thing people ignore is how tough the west was as a conference when the bulls were winning titles. It was a bloodbath to get to the finals out the west
LeNarrative's fans are like the parents that always blame the teachers for their kid's bad grades. They know (or at least should) that it's hard to present the case for someone to be the best ever with a losing finals record and so many meltdowns in crucial times in the playoffs. They want to have it both ways. He's the best ever, but at the same time could not beat other teams because they had better players that he couldn't overcome. It's funny that his fans focus so much on his stats but don't use them to show why Jordan's competition was so bad.
Stats on why lebron faced better competition: Hall of famers faced in the finals MJ - 9 Lebron - 31 60 win teams faced: Mj - 6 Lebron - 7 Teams faced with multiple hall of famers Jordan - 4 Lebron - 6
There’s a huge difference between the teams Jordan lost to early on and who LBJ lost to. The Pistons and Celtics that Jordan eventually beat were unbelievably deep and some of the best teams ever . Pistons were scary. They used to mug MJ. Celtics as well . Lebron lost to some decent teams but not greatest teams ever . The other thing is Jordan eventually got revenge on all of them . Lebron had to leave and go make super teams to win . Jordan kept coming back every year and got better team as well and beat those awesome teams . He didn’t leave or join the Lakers or Pistons . Lebron never scared anyone . His defense was better when he was younger but not MJ level . MJ terrified fans and his opponents. Nobody scared of Lebron . I think Lebron more a lamb than a goat 😂
I should start watching whole video before commenting lol. I thought I was intelligent remembering Cliff Robinson lol. Seriously people really forgot how good KJ, Clyde and Charles were
Lol, even higher comedy! That got a little dark, and I love it “that kid isn’t old enough to realize his dads a clown”. Or would get old if it was your shtick, but your thing is being genuine so I’m sorry you got so heated over this clown, but it a funny. ;)
😆 🤣 😂 thanks Sarah. I'm glad it was funny. I almost didn't post this vid cuz i lost it for a second there. Calling Gary Payton trash was just too far for me. : )
Lol!!! Right out the gate RMC with the uncle Roger thumbnail! I'm cracking up before even watching. Looking forward to seeing your reaction to this. I watched the original video when uncut uploaded it and I thought he did a phenomenal job breaking this guy down.
@@TheRealMindCrime I knew you would get a kick out of it for him disrespecting the Suns roster alone. But this guy is absolutely ignorant, so I can completely understand that you annoyance. I forgot that Uncut dropped that 2007 stat line for LeBron which is something we talked about recently. He didn't play great in those finals, and his fans and pundits look on that season favorably for him which baffles me. "He carried them to the finals"... I'm a writer working on my own book franchise and the style I use is the "Therefore, but". And its like. "LeBron upped his game" therefore ... "He carried them to the finals" but... "He lost."... So what is there to even celebrate. This guy says this in the video as well. "LeBron got to xyz amount of finals already" and lost most of them. With logic like this, Jerry West is the goat for simply making it even though he's 1-8! But I love that statement on them thinking critically. That is one of our greatest gifts as human beings and people just want to be parrots inside. No ability to think, but they hear something and are able to repeat it.
Thank you. Yeah looking back it makes me laugh but in the moment i kept gettinf more and more heated lol. And yes, its a waste of a brain if we don't form our own thoughts. So many these days just echo what the media tells them to say.
I honestly don't blame lebron for leaving Cleveland. I live in Columbus. Cleveland is a trash place. Leaving Miami though? Your one chance to really live up to the hype? A place where you had chance after chance to make it happen? He wins 4 in Miami and stops claiming goat. That's respectable. But he has to run the show. Lakers would roll over. Miami had everything you need to be a winner.
That argument about the Bulls team after MJ retires, I can't stand it, they didn't even make it to finals, but because they learned from MJ, work ethic and such, they played great, I say that is actually a plus for MJ, he made his teammates better, for reals, even when not there he showed his teammates what it takes to be winners, but without MJ just not winners of the trophy.
The league wouldn't get a LeBron v Kobe matchup, that was the storyline they were fishing for, but both the Celtics and the Magic got in the way of that script, and then Kobe got injured and never got back to his prime. I'll give LeBron a break when he tried to be a good soldier and stayed with the Cavs. He just wasn't going to get it done no matter how hard he tried, and Kobe got two out of three titles in LeBron's best years to get one. LeBron had back-to-back 60-win teams before he left for Miami. The Cleveland FO did as good a job as they could even though all of their big swings were win-now moves instead of building a second tier of talent around LeBron. In retrospect, however hated Jerry Krause is by Jordan fans he did MJ a favor by doing the right things to help construct a sustainable winning roster. Back to LeBron - it wasn't he didn't have enough help, he couldn't get over the hump. The 2011 Finals, and that near-loss in the 2012 ECF, were evidence that Bron didn't have the mental juice at the time to buckle down and win. When he finally won, his teammates in Miami could no longer sustain their level and younger talented players were ready to challenge him. As much as I am not a KD fan, it's only apropos he moved to Golden State and derailed what could have been a second big run by LeBron with his new Big Three in Cleveland. The Lakers bubble championship was a bonus, it wasn't like they were prohibitive favorites, I really thought the Clippers should have gotten that one (vs. Boston, who also flubbed the ECF). LeBron has since then stopped trying, he's now building for a legacy based on longevity. Now his camp is really ramping it up to change the narrative around Jordan, starting with that campaign of the Jordan DPOY stat-padding. This is funny since LeBron's assists and steals numbers have been propped up for the longest time, and it's been ages since he really played meaningful defense.
Lebron couldn’t win until the league changed the defensive rules those 9 years were failed years and only winning 4 championships in 22 seasons is nothing to celebrate
I mean. It would've been something to celebrate if he didn't proclaim himself as the GOAT. But he ruined that for himself so it's either GOAT or bust for him now lol. 4 rings is cool. Just not goat status
I was a Lebron fan until 2010 2007- I said “he’s young. It just takes time 2008- I said the Celtics are just too good rn 2009- I cheered when he hit the game winner against the Magic 2010- I watched the Celtics take his confidence n then he took his jersey off…..
It's funny to me when they call these 90's players washed when they were in their 30's except they were still winning, and exciting to watch lol. Many of these guys would beat NBA teams right now at their current ages lol. They don't understand these guys were so good, you have to put 20 years on them for them to drop to above average talent.
Thunder Dan would slaughter in today’s game. He was very underrated. Suns were the a very good team. I’d say closest thing to Golden State (dynasty)back then . But much better defense .
Nice pull, the talent level is comparable to the 2015 and 2016 Golden State teams but their play style is closer to the 2007 Spurs, or the early Garnett-era Celtics.
Yeah this guy has to be baiting or something. To say MJ getting beat in his first 6 seasons against oh idk the best Celtic and Piston teams ever is a stain on his career is a joke. What’s funny is that he doesn’t mention Lebron not making the playoffs at all like you did. People need to wake up if they truly believe this bs lol.
Yeah its a garbage argument. Mj took 7 years to win his first ring and Lebron took 9 years and that involved jumping onto a super team. That argument works against him 😆
