I’ve been preaching the “simple” is more approach for years to my son for years! He won’t listen. You provide an excellent lesson to your viewers, THNK YOU. Great video.
This is why my 85 gt stomps the crap out of just about all challengers. I tell people it's rarely about cubic inches but it's ALWAYS about weight. This is why people hate 5.0's
Ya put a big smile of my face with this post. Great work in all the right places - Absolutely nothing wrong with a 12. Hope you're still having fun out there.
Fun & smiles are what we’re all about. After The Lost Year we managed to get to the track in ‘21. Reports on that coming up. Agent AOD is getting prepped for a new assault on the 1320 in 2022
My 85 GT was a 5-speed, had 4.10 gears and I installed a performer intake(the stock intake has those tiny ports) and dual flowmasters. I wish I still had that car.
I have an 84 vert with a 5 speed and an 89 GT with an AOD. Both were purchased as AOD cars. I converted the 84 to a 5 speed. I gotta tell you that my 89 with 3k stall converter will really get it. To match the performance of the AOD with the manual, I have to be really hard on the clutch, trans, etc. An AOD with a stall (And good tires) is a force to be reckoned with from a dig.
I'm all about the 5.0!! I had a 1993 Cobra! I took the motor out at 55k, Put forged crank, rods and TrickFlow dome pistons which I believe were made by Aris I think. A Comp Cams XE282 Cam, TrickFlow stage 3 ported heads, and matching TrackHeat intake. ProM 77 mass air system, 36lb injectors, to a Holley 75mm throttle body. 3.73 gears, factory for awhile World Class T5 but upgraded to a new set of internals that we're hardened. The heads were shaved as well and the compression came in right at 11.1 Of course I range race gas or some kind of booster to let it run hard. I ran 11.70's on motor and over also ran a beat of 10.49 at 132mph!! The car could cut 1.40's 60ft on pump NA gas!
Good to see you getting good results. I am putting a 5.0 with an AOD ( stall and shift kit) in my Ranger, GT40p heads, ported, Stage 3 cam, 8.8 with 3.55. I am lighter than the mustangs by a few hundred lbs so I do expect it to be " lively"
Damn my first stang i bought in 85 was the same car love the carb back in the 80’s when you drove a fox 5.0 or the z-28 you learned how to really drive
Love seeing stock engines being optimized to their full potential, did that to mine before deciding to go turbo but its still a stock long block with good valve springs (due to valve float above 5psi) roller rockers and billet timing set (stock iron cam gear cracked and caught it having erratic timing). Going back and watch all the videos on the car later today, likely going to do my dads 85 GT build similar.
I'm sure he has tons of spare parts for when it breaks ..... people throw "tons" of power sometimes because they like having ac , safety, nice ride , looks over stripping the car down and having it a nightmare to drive around when not racing .
Good job we been 10 s all with stock block and ported e7 heads ported by us grover boys racing look at adam grover green gangster 9s on a little nitrous.Good job guys nice to see someone doing good with stock parts.
Uncle Tony gave up his bus pass to me just to get here. Just subbed yours channel. Looking forward to learning more abouts AODs n foxes. If yous catch my drift!
I’d like the 5.0 Mustang. It was the only thing going in the 1980s. So many parts for it nowadays. I heard the LX rather than the GT and cheaper insurance premiums
This is going to be good. Only problem is. Its going to get me to want to swich directions with my 88 GT from setting it up for road racing to drag racing. Thank a bunch!! 😉 Subbed
Pick one (both are fun) or build a no budget drag car out of leftovers and borrowed parts. Pretty easy to do. Either way, shoot it so we can share the fun with the viewers
im not biased either way even though i have a c4 , but one thing you would not identify on the dyno is the power output 700-1000ft above sea level in comparison to the c4 run at 600ft below. Altitude will make a difference.
If I were to have built the car from scratch with the intention of racing it I would have gone with a c4. I’m using the AOD because A- Thats what was in the car and B- I like the challenge. Density Altitude is a MAJOR factor with how this particular car runs at the strip given the nature of how stock the motor is. My favorite times of racing season is the beginning and the end since thats when we see the best conditions for quick ET’s. 👍
My 93 notchback ran 10flat all day long with an aod, now I'm driving a 98 ranger with a little 306, it's doing mid 11's, but this one's a 5speed, just because it's fun.
Holy crap, you gotta teach Uncle Tony how to get that video quality!! Haha... I love the premise of this series, I can't wait to hear all about it. I also love to build with my brain, not my pocket (especially because my pocket is empty), and that's the approach I have with my '71 Dart. Also, just wanna mention I'm subscriber #640. I wanna look back at this comment when you're at the tens of thousands.
Arthur Sperotto High tech explanation: Camera tracks your movements. I moved close, background blurred so I went with it. Empty pockets motivate creative thinking
Uncle Tony told me to check out your channel & Uncle Tony won’t steer me in the wrong direction. I dig your style Stick Man. I subbed & will stick around.
Its actually pretty common to hit high 12s with stock hci and some weight reduction if you've been around these cars a lot. The power is there with better gearing and some suspension.
Absolutely, the power is there in the oem pkg. Putting it to the ground is the key. Why build more power for any car if your suspension can’t handle what you already have? A good foundation is the place to start. Maximizes every future mod
@@stickmansgarage9452 you think it's a good idea to have a k-member to reduce weight on the suspension or its bad for the car on the long run? Curious about your thoughts?
That's what made these cars so popular when they were new. A guy could buy the car brand new on Friday and by Saturday afternoon have it in the low 13's--high 12's. (Timing 13 degrees, removed engine air intake silencer, Flowmaster cat back, M&H Racemasters and some lower control arms would get you there)
I learn't how to drive on Woodward Ave at night at 15 yo, UT sent me also! :) Went with Jim Maynard to the track once so he could race his 1st gen Mustang back in the day.
He forgot to mention hes using electric water pump and also took off most accessories/bracket which reduces weight and ideally less drag on motor. That would have been good to mention.
Jorge Jimenez The video tells a lot if you really take a look at the car as a whole. Definitely not 100% bone stock. But like I said it really is a junk motor I bought off Craigslist.
hi awesome video, I have 86 Mustang with a aod transmission, it has a 351w built everything works really well but the transmission shift points, when I shift from first to 2nd it almost automatically shifts when I'm in 2nd to 3rd and feels like it kinda drags, do u know what I can do to get the have 2nd to 3rd rev out longer so I can use it's full potential?
Have you tried putting the shifter back into first as soon as you make the 1-2 shift? After that when you are ready to make the 2-3 shift you just put it into drive to achieve the 2-3 shift. Or maybe the TV cable needs adjusting?????
My uncle sent me here let's see what you've got to offer Ford first on race day fast on race day and last but certainly not least ferocious on race day no damn two-bit junk Chevrolet look past the badge are you kidding me biltrite no one's beating a Ford motor no one
uncle tony sent me, im here for the 5.0 tech, not a fox guy but got a 95 gts, low buck, looking to make it the best it can be, looking forward to the info thanks!
No offense to the other channels but I just bashed ppl saying things that were way off. 600hp 302 runs 12?? No. N/a at that. A 380 hp fox can run 12's. One guy has a newerish cobra.. complain about noise but no show.. he's adding heads etc.. he doesn't realize his 5 speed auto with the rear end was built for mid power and fuel economy. He's gonna add power to a low ratio trans that will break. Any 350 hp car under 3700lbs should move. Period. Maybe not 12's but dang near close
What gears do this fox body have? and did you at least put Heavy duty valve springs on the heads or roller rockers? Because 12s and everything stock sounds farfetched.
The car ran it's best pass (12.68) with 4.30's. It has 4.56's now in preparation for future upgrades. It does have 1.7 Cobra rockers and I also did replace the worn- out stock valve springs because after 120,000 miles and 6,000rpm shifts- the valves were floating. The car went 12.89 with stock E7 heads/ intake spacer/ electric water pump/ roller rockers. When I put on the modified E7 heads it went a best of 12.68.
Dennis Wingfield Nice profile pic, Chief! Got your tux for the Gearbangers Ball? Oh wait, that happens here on the channel. Well, you can wear it while you watch. And watch... And watch...
No it’s not stock. It’s been modified in a few different ways. I’ll list the mods: 1- 4,200 stall converter 2- SilverFox fixed pressure manual valvebody with a trans brake. 3- slight mods to the oiling system just to add a little extra insurance against premature wear and tear. 4- Solid input shaft. Ran it this way for quite awhile. Recently added a better gear set out of a 4r70w trans. Unfortunately, We haven’t really gotten a chance to take maximum advantage of the better 4r7Ow gearing as other things were giving us problems. Hoping to reap those rewards in 2022. Hope this helps.
@@black88coupe does it over heat on you with the stuff you did? Because your car seems stock and can be driven daily with the mods you did. Just curious?
I miss my black 84 gt , after reading about project pitbull in 90s I knew I wanted one. I have had a number of foxes since then. I now own a 87 saleen number 65 it has a vortech and heads , cam , intake , ect.
@@stickmansgarage9452 I miss the fun ford weekends of the 90s and early 00s. My buddies would race street outlaw , street renegade , mod motor , top truck , trophy stock. I would run true street when I could it was fun times and best years to own a fox.
@@black88coupe haha hey! It’s you. Love the fox brother! Would love to see it in person. I’m currently building 2 foxes with my dad (his name is mitch as well) But it would be amazing to see it all in person and learn some stuff!
Man that’s really impressive I’m trying to get my stock foxbody in the low 13’s it’s hard I got a 14.2 @98 2.2-60 9.2 1/8. With stock gears but not sure if there stock I’m running at 6k in 3rd crossing the 1/4 I’m thinking it’s 3.55’s. But stock heads/cam/street tires/75mm maf stock tb full exhaust electric fans race crank pulley. I believe with slicks and upper n lower controls I can dip into a mid to upper 13. I’ll keep tuning to get it into the low 13’s
It’s all about getting the power to the ground. That’s the gospel we preach around here. You have enough power to run low 13s unless you race at super high elevations
@@stickmansgarage9452 so I recently raced my car I’ve installed 4.11’s with a Yukon rear diff explorer intake with a 1”spacer BAMA chip. And upper n lowers so previously I was 2.2-60’. 9.2-1/8. 14.2-1/4.. with my mods I went a best of 1.9-60’. 9.0-1/8. 14.0-1/4.. it seemed like it ran out of power on the big end my mph was the same as stock.. and I also have a b cam now.. I was basically 2tenths faster. Was thinking it would go low 13’s I was thinking about getting new 19lbs injectors and a fuel pressure regulator and a 255lph fuel pump thinking that might wake it up.. but I’m also thinking about junking the efi and going carburetor do you think it would be faster going carb if adjusted right? Or try to get the efi straightened out? I’m in the cross hairs of what’s the best choice thanks for your input
I putting this combination in a 63 fairlane wagon. 1989 5.0 with AOD. Intake and 4100 carb. Call me stupid but I'm wanting a cruiser / daily. Give me some pointers......tell UTG hello
Start with a quality shift kit in the AOD. Trans-Go makes a nice kit. With the O/D you can get away with a little more rear gear. 1st gear in the AOD’s are horrible. Maybe a small stall converter too if you want. Call me paranoid but I always run a big trans cooler and plumb it separate from the radiator.
If someone wanted to start from scratch and search for an old Fox body, doesn’t the notch back body (with the short trunk lid). weigh about 150 lbs. less than the hatchback?
Finding any clean model from the 80s is harder nearly 40 years later, but you still find 4 Cyl coupes that make good foundations. We’ll be featuring some original 80s muscle cars to show how they came from the factory
Hey Stick Man’s Garage, Luke here from Australia 🇦🇺 I’m using my mates RU-vid account to subscribe till I get my own. But Absolutely Awesome episode i can’t wait to see the future of your channel will really inspire a lot of car enthusiasts to get out there and work on they’re cars the proper way with they’re brains not a cheque-book! Uhm I just have one question for you though what is the weight box for!??
Amelia Austen Yo, Luke! Weight box helps adjust 50/50 weight distribution for better weight transfer on launch. Also keeps tires planted during a run. More traction, better ET! We’ll talk more about it in future videos
Oh that’s awesome thank you Stick Man’s Garage! That makes a lot of sense but if you were doing racing not drags \ example, our v8 supercars/ Bathurst, would A weight box help them? I’m really looking forward to watch more of your videos! 😊
Corner weights matter in all types of racing, especially road/oval. Too much/too little weight on one tire, or side of the car, will screw up everything. You guys have some of the baddest cars on earth. Big fan
Shaun Bennett You are correct on the 84 stuff. Mines an 85. BUT i bought it as a roller so i used the leftover EFI stuff of an 88 5.0. The car is a mix of parts.
Shaun Bennett : But EFi 5.0s were....the Central Fuel Injection HO AOD m-code. Just a top swap of EFi SEFi igntion and Port EFi and four cat exhaust and single fuel pump...it is a relatively easy swap and you get the better earlier E4 or E5 heads instead of the High Swirl 1986 odd balls. The Later model 5.0s, even the Exploders and non forged SN95s...an excellent swap many have done. Its hard to know what the Prev Own has done, eh Mitch?
@@deanstevenson6527 and ecu, and wiring and whatever else is needed, probably fuel lines, a fuel pump like you said, not sure if tbi injection used a tfi distributor or not. Anything can be done but my point is that it isnt all stock.
Shaun Bennett : Totally true..The battery is amajor if you go.MAF, but you dont have to do much if its MitchB Agent AOD'd in the back. I did that on my 81. But its hard to eva say Totally with Foxes. I blame Fords Empty Foxes in Boxes assembly line Squirells. Battery and Exhaust changes are a Major. 95% of the wire and wet gear is there, but the M code Ignition, either 5 speed or AOD, isn't dual synch, even if the AOD one is TFi. Its freekin different! And the "Dizzy" drive is not the same on autos. And the true duals of the Port EFis kill the external 2nd fuel pump on the 84 TBis, but not not the 85s (cause there is none), and all the true duals exhausts interfer with the brake lines..and thats a crap load on mighta be changes. The M code AODs were not roller cam equipped and its real hard to be General. Unlike...GM. Where Scooby..Or Doctor Phil..a Ford guy could potentially have a full wiring and wet gear fuel job swapping. The 60 pin ECM placement and pins differ too. Although there are absolute answers, I cant tell you what they are always and Absolutely. Oh, and the Neutral Safety Swith and Parking inhibitor differences. And the manual T5 Trans hump cut and shut. If your mixing parts, it gets complicated Real Quick. Best one is a 3.8 TBi to 5.0MAF SEFi 5 speed conversion..That forces the best Wise Guy to take his 38 Special and sing A Heart Needs A Second Chance....
@@deanstevenson6527 I've never ran a ford ecu on my 79 svo swap, it was much easier and cheaper to just go with a megasquirt, I'm going the same route with my 4.6 2v swap, I'll be into the megasquirt for less than $400 with 2 step, fan control, boost control, and infinite adjustability. Not much tuning out there anymore for the ford ecm.
Hey, Neil great to see you. Saw you on Uncle Tony's. Had to subscribe. Don't know if you remember me (see pic). Used to race Pro Dial Dash at E-Town (and all the Ford races there and Atco & MG). I was wondering if you still had your '84- really cool car. Good luck with the channel.
What do you mean nothing spectacular? 1985... STOCK FORGED PISTON 5.0L HIGH OUTPUT MOTOR FROM FACTORY. That's a whole lot to talk about. While people spending $1,100 making their blocks with forged pistons, we pulling from junkyards and installing v2's on a pure stock block running 15-18psi with nothing more than changing injectors and turning the distributor. Shit these motors weren't "stock" from the factory hahaha
This video popped up in my feed for the first time in years. What happened to this channel? Did he change channel names or just stop making videos? Hopefully nothing bad happened.
Get out the wrenches and start making mods. Nothing really exotic on this car and most of it was done in my garage. Make it happen! Oh yeah, have fun too!
TheRobertflanary With the motor still being so stock in nature I never saw the benefit in converting it to Mass Air. Remember, This car was never intended to be a race car. It was setup to be a nice driver/ cruiser.
m wright Absolutely! That’s what I mean by look past the badge. I learned from all types of cars when reading magazines as a kid. You can apply what others do to whatever you drive. What are you driving/racing?
Glad ur video/channel popped up! I will be subscribing and delving into u guys. Foxbody 4 Life! Whoever doesn’t like that can go to hell! Hail to the Windsor!
Hey stick man, i think those gt40, gtp heads are shocking to have the chambers over to one side that much. I think the E7,s are better. Even if the iintake ports are smaller, i can still have bigger valves. VHSIm also about to kindy shape my E6 heads, i can make the chambers now i want them. These are for mi XR 8 ute. Why is every one talking about the gt40 ugly heads., i thought only Gm did stupid things like that. What do you think. Mike
I think all iron oem sbf heads don’t get enough credit. The E7 may be comparatively small, but they’re balanced. Hard to beat up on the GT40s for their time. Technology has come a long way since then.
I flowed them all in the same day on a calibrated machine. E6 124 IN volume--Flowed 154/116 E7 124 IN volume-Flowed 162/124 GT40 150 IN volume-Flowed 200/150 There is absolutely NO COMPETITION for which is the undisputed best late model head.
I know it's a old comment.....but so flagrantly wrong about all the heads mentioned and conclusion met... I own multiple sets of all these heads, and still have a new in box set of GT40 Cobra that were marketed as GT40 "high flow" iron heads. I don't think you understand the differences clearly.....I'll keep this short. No SBF head has ever moved the "chamber" and certainly not by an inch....Think about that for a sec...GT40P did move the spark plug angle, the heads were an attempt to clean up the last SBF while it still sold very well deep into Overhead Valve replacement. Now, as to your assessment on E6 heads...The valves are measurable deeper in the chamber making the shrouding problem that much worse. Reason the true flat top pistons were not compatible with other heads without notches......The swirl concept was not a strength for performance, it was for cleaner smog. Ford disagreed SO much it was a one year Mustang option. The 85 GT heads were E5 castings...exactly the same as 87+ HO E7's with a smaller chamber hence production number change..... E6 combined the smog swirl, terrible shrouding, and abysmal flow. Data point just to show how bad....1986 Capri (mercury's mustang) switching ONLY stock E6's for stock E7''s gained 34 RWHP I only did a after dyno for tuning and nobody could believed the E7 a real performance upgrade, only compared to a truly terrible design....That's why NOBODY uses them... I attached the intake volumes and flow rates above to show not only how much things improved, but why the GT40 series of heads ARE so sought after. My buddies 85 GT Switched out his E5 heads and GT 4bbl for stock GT40 heads and stealth intake. So he started with better heads than E6's. and picked up an unreal 78 HP.... Imagine the gain over your personal favorite E6. If these sound unrealistic, go look on message boards and see how over and over its repeated. This should solve the problem you've experienced but probably not stated about "Why is my E6 headed UTE getting outrun by model T's? You're welcome, you now have Ported wheel chaulks......that don't carry scrap value. I really hope you didn't pay for them....
twotwocold Was his a 5 speed? We definitely aren’t the first to accomplish it. We are just showing people how we went about getting to that point. Thanks for watching.
It’s new to anyone who hasn’t experienced it. There are people out there telling you to spend 20 grand on a crate motor to run 13s. And some of us were running 12s with a stock 5.0 engine in the 1980s. But we’re old...
BaT car ---> ???? ••••> here Thanks. Glad I found ya. I'm a German sports-car guy, but my high school years were spent partially yearning for the sound of the 5.0. I'm gonna follow, etc. and I can't wait to see your weight-savings ideas video(s).
I was a little disappointed....I was under the impression I was going to see some freak stocker running 12’s. A buddy of mine had an ‘85 coupe with MAF conversion, Longtube headers, a B-cam and 3.73’s(w/T5) and would go 12.70’s all day on ET Streets. No tune, no other engine mods, full interior, no weight loss shenanigans. I drove the car and it was a nice driver. I was hoping this was going to be something like that but with an AOD. A transbrake and super-loose converter don’t exactly qualify an AOD as “stock”.
Carport Shenanigans The motor is the “stock” element. Everything else has been modified- true. ALSO, Keep in mind it’s an AOD which doesn’t have the same gearing as a T5. AOD is also heavier and takes more HP to turn. T5 is naturally going to be faster all other things being equal. Your buddies motor has also been upgraded. This motor is stock except for Cobra rockers and an intake spacer.
@Stick Man’s Garage, I would agree except your version of “stock” is HIGHLY modified. Let’s see the same feat without a transbrake, built trans, super loose converter, full suspension and with a full interior...can’t be done..:otherwise it would be a “freak”. Would you be a little disappointed if I made and titled a video similarly but you watched just to find out I was spraying a 175 shot from top to bottom?
You’re taking all the fun out of this, man. The engine is stock. It’s a common term. The rest is self explanatory. There is little to no space to get your attention/explain the details in a thumbnail. No one tried to dupe you. And we aren’t selling anything. This is drag racing. This car is being maximized for that purpose. And we’re sharing for the many who can appreciate & learn from it. Would you feel better to know I have both an efi & a carbed Mustang that both ran in the 12s that were even more “stock” than this car, in terms of interior, suspension, an oem clutch in both, and more? I didn’t think so. You win
Oh, and let’s not overlook that cars make more power racing at/near or in below sea level conditions. Some guys chose to build more hp to compensate while others reduce weight and/or invest in a suspension that will serve them well now and in the future, when they build an 11 or 10 second combo
Another Uncle Tony person here... Channel looks good. In this video? However? I notice? The owner/narrator? Talking like this? As if every pause, which there are too many of? Required a teenagers tendency? To state everything as a question? Anyhow the channel looks promising. Thanks for being here.
