Well Keaton of all the movie Bruces played him a little not quite right too, so crazy's attracted to crazy. Plus they share the whole dual personality thing.
@@Beppo85 Of course. This is a Tim Burton movie. The weirdos find in each other a beauty that normal members of society are never aware of, and the powerful, the popular and the socialites are always portrayed as monsters.
Why didn't Selina get Employee of the Month. How often does a person get thrown out of a highrise window and show up to work the next day, that is work ethic.
dont forget that between her getting thrown out and her showing up to work, she also became Catwoman and beat up a criminal in the same night, she really deserved the Employee of the month title XD
I like how when Bruce asks how Selina got the scar on her head, Shreck gives her an excuse with a subtle threatening tone in his voice, she neither exposes what he did to her, but also doesn't use his excuse, showing independence and a slight rebelliousness to just make her own up. I think it is also implied that Selina was hinting towards Shreck that she'll keep her mouth shut, for now at least, but also displaying to him that she's not the same girl he pushed out through the window.
The look of shock on Max's face when he sees Selena walking around ALIVE is priceless, then she walks up to him with that *"Yeah, I'm still alive asshole"* expression on her face.
@@josephmullin5845 I like how the whole scene you can tell he's trying to figure out what's going on here. Does she really have amnesia about the night before and not remember him trying to kill her, is she screwing with him, what's she gonna say or do in front of Bruce?
Hell yeah, fam! He would've likely won that debate too - only problem was he kept getting interrupted either with...heh, hips. Or Shreck would simply back down seeing in how Bruce is face to face with guys like him on the street every night, his game is nothing new. lol
Everything Michelle did to play this role was pure excellence, from the hair to feet , all around , she was stunning absolutely stunning playing CATWOMAN
And Annette Benning had been cast as Catwoman after her star making turn in The Grifters but had to drop out after getting pregnant by Warren Beatty. I cannot fathom another Catwoman other than Pfeiffer.
As a kid I thought these scenes were boring but now as an adult the scenes with Bruce and Selina are by far my favorite. There's something so fascinating about their dynamic, it's both seductive yet adorable at the same time. It feels absolutely organic
Well said. The "boring, grown-ups talking" scenes from childhood faves becoming the most scintillating scenes in a film during adult rewatches is honestly one of the finer things in life. 'The Mask' is another great example of this - as I kid I was there for the cartoonish mania of the actual Mask-wearing sequences; as an adult, everything Carrey and cast do in their regular interactions is the mesmerizing bit.
Same. As a child I was always in it for the action. The explosions. The good guy beating up the bad guy. Now as an adult, it's the world building and the character development that does it for me. Probably why I don't seem to enjoy as many recent movies as I do the older ones.
God i love the subtleness that Hollywood was capable of, not trying to lecture or being too obvious like they are now. Burton didn't underestimate his audience, and this movie is a total classic.
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Adam Is a Legendary!! Jajajaj maan!;) bruce face and smile!;) hes just there staring at her with a smile. I dont know if hes overwhelm or in love!?;) jajajaaj is awsome to see!;) i just love this soo much!;) i watched it again jajaj
I love how Bruce was genuinely dazzled by Selina. Being who he is, he knows how to put up a persona and self control his nerves, but when he meets her, he’s tripping over his words and can’t take his eyes off of her. That’s rare for him. In costume, they are their true form and drawn, but even when they are out of costume, their true selves still come out. That’s why, for me, Selina is the best love for Bruce there is. Well done Burton.
Sarah Koob Perfect age. Twenty something female beauty usually exudes too much innocence and bubbleheaded naïveté (like Halley Berry) to be a proper Selina Kyle. Catwoman has to be experienced while being charming yet not coming off jaded (like Anne Hathaway did). However harsh I am on Hathaway and Berry, I recognize much of that had to do with script tone and quality. Especially Berry’s...
I loved seeing Bruce the business man. Too many films make him out to be an idiot with the playboy persona. C'mon, people, he has to keep it realistic. Anyone who cared to look up his college transcripts, and the media would, would know he wasn't an idiot in the slightest. Bruce dated around a lot in public, true, but tried to appear respectable and worked as Bruce Wayne to employ as many as he could, funding dozens of charities that he founded and was a known philanthropist. He needed to be taken seriously in the business world, as well as juggle being seen as an active bachelor without shaming the Wayne name, but otherwise did his best to seem normal, not as a spoiled kid.
Keaton almost plays it a little *too* straight here. He tells Shreck that Penguin controls the Red Triangle Gang. Like *how* would Wayne know that if he wasn't Batman? He comes off like the smartest person in the room unless he's talking to a beautiful woman. 😂
This is my favorite scene from Batman Returns. Max's shock at seeing her alive, Selina's newfound confidence after her transformation, how she mesmerizes Bruce.
Michelle Pfeiffer is such an insanely good actress... No wonder anyone else jumping in Catwoman's catsuit is labeled "good", "passable" or less. And no wonder they took someone who looks like her in the Gotham series (Camren Bicondova).
People say this wasn't Catwoman from the comics, well I say, if that is so and Anne Hathaway is, then Burton improved the character and they should keep her that way. The 9 lives, semi supernatural vibe she had in this movie is cool.
@@hottakestuesdays7450 The only part of the Selina/Catwoman character in this film that was close to the comics was her tragic romance with Bruce Wayne/ Batman. The backstory and her origin as catwoman was completely made up for this film however.
@@LordMalice6d9 But there is no one difinitive origin of Catwoman in the comics. Loads of Batman stories take different approaches to his villains depending on the version of Gotham they are going with. Same as all his villains.
She basically had him on the balls. While Bruce was somewhat shock and somehow weirdly attracted to her, Old Maximilian was scared shitless because she could've told them what happened. Instead she was playing huged cat and mouse game with Maximilian. Hell even with Bruce too.
People say this wasn't Catwoman from the comics, well I say, if that is so and Anne Hathaway is, then Burton improved the character and they should keep her that way. The 9 lives, semi supernatural vibe she had in this movie is cool.
"I'm listed..." "I'm tempted..." "I'm working." "...I'm leaving!" Even being Batman doesn't make Bruce Wayne a smoothie when he meets a woman he really likes.
The one from Dark Knight Rises has been the most modern comic book accurate.The one from CatWoman was the worst in my opinion.This one is great for what she is which is a Burton style version.
Halle Berry did what she was paid to do in the context of the movie as written and directed at the time. The fact that some of her actions seemed repetitive in many of the sequences is purely the fault of the editing process and a distinct lack of foresight by the director.
Did anyone mention that Michael Keaton, Michelle Pfeiffer and Christopher Walken are "Beetlejuice", "The Headless Horseman" and "Elizabeth Collins Stoddard" from BEETLEJUICE, SLEEPY HOLLOW and DARK SHADOWS three movies also Directed by Tim Burton. And also did some of you people know that Max's son Chip is Leatherface from THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE.
His face when he sees selina again after he thought she was dead is priceless lol, got to love a good bad boy and max shrek is one hell of a bad boy 😍😍😍
Selina: You don't seem like the type who does business with Mr Shreck Bruce: You don't seem like the type who takes orders from him Selina: Well, that's a long story Bruce: Well, I could free up some time Bruce has completely fallen for Selina because despite the fact that she seems socially awkward, he sees a highly confident and complicated person in her just like him
What i loved more about Batman Returns than the first one was the difference in character development for Bruce Wayne, in the first one Bruce rarely ever left Wayne Manor apart from going to the alleyway where his parents were murdered but showed very little personality but in Returns especially this scene, we got to see him intereact more in public with people and we also got to see the billionaire businessman side that we all know him for. I was never a fan of him always being portrayed as an idiotic spoilt rich brat who wasn't very bright, i always liked seeing him as a no nonsense type of guy who was always trying to help the citizens of Gotham and giving back to the city. It's really cool to see Bruce one minute talk straight with Max but then the next second turns the goofy guy dial a bit when Selina Kyle walks in the room to divert suspicion that he might know too much thus possibly giving his Batman identity away to everyone. Michael Keaton done a wonderful job in this movie showing different sides and layers to the character.
I think a problem with the playboy act is that we don't get the genuine emotions, reactions and feelings of the character. With Keaton's version of Bruce, I like that he was always just who he was in public, yet somehow he played it in a way where no one would remotely suspect he could be Batman. He managed to be interesting as both Bruce and Batman without needing to resort to over the top acting to distinguish between the two characters. I honestly don't know how Keaton managed to pull that off.
I love how flustered Bruce is seeing her with a completely different demeanor. Contrasted with her former self flustered when Batman saved her life. I love how this movie developed Selina Kyle and gave us an insight into her life before she became Catwoman. It makes sense that she is fearless now because the most powerful man in Gotham tried to murder her and she survived. I love how this movie points out that social status does not solve the problem of lonliness. Bruce is wealthy and Selina is low status "assistant" yet they both need each other and clearly enjoy being together. I think that is the message of the movie.
One thing I noticed about this movie Bruce is so impressed by Selina he doesn't even notice how weird she really is Max Shreck is so self centered, when he finds out Selina is Catwoman the first thing he does is saying "you're fired", and can't even see that the reason Bruce Wayne is dressed as Batman is because he is Batman The people of Gotham don't seem to notice there's something wrong with the Penguin Bruce and Selina take a long time to figure out who they are The Penguin actually thought Catwoman liked him The christmas tree girl actually thought the Penguin was a casting agent In general everyone in this movie is so self-involved they don't seem to understand what's going on around them and who the people they have around are, everyone sees everyone else through their own point of view. It's a very weird movie but it seems that no one notices how weird everything around them is.
@@LarryHazard Good point, I didn't pick up on that pattern but it is true. I guess this is a "Who am I" and a "Who are you" story. It's my new favorite Christmas movie.
@@JH-qy8no To add to that, it feels like this movie is happening inside a snow globe and everyone is some miniature character inside of it. It's dramatic cause it's like watching a bunch of puppets trying to be human and failing and even though there's a plot it feels like the movie is stuck in time in a way, especially since it's not clear what year it is in Gotham since the set designs and costumes are not from any particular decade. The characters also feel stuck in time cause they don't seem able to change. Penguin is forced to change but goes back to being his old self, Max Schreck in the ending still acts as if he's still inside his office at the start of the movie, Bruce always acts bamboozled, and Catwoman which is the only character that really changes basically self-destroys. It's like a snow globe that gets shaken up and you just see things happening to the city until everything settles returns to normal by the ending.
@@LarryHazard Yeah, I really think this movie is about Bruce and Selina's relationship at it's core. I see it as a dark Christmas romance story set in a sess pool city. And Keaton's version of Bruce Wayne has grown on me. He asks Selina out like a regular guy and not like some hot shot billionaire playboy would. He is the most humble Bruce Wayne on the big screen. You can tell he is a little nervous talking to Selina and he's not trying to hide that. I like when she says "girlfriend?" and he nervously says "sure!" And he says "oh, you mean do I." As I guy I can totally relate to that scene.
Halle Berry did the best she could with what she was given, the wrong person wrote that film. But Michelle is the greatest Catwoman ever. I was a boy then, I'm a man now, & it still doesn't matter, i connected and rooted for her. Michelle Pfeifer's portrayal of Catwoman was SO DOPE! I still remember the black women in the theater cheering for her in the final fight, " C'MON GURL, DONT QUIT, GET HIS ASS"!!!!
The roughly 90-second Bruce-Max interaction in the first part of this scene is awesome and as good as the writing as the rest of the film. It showcases 2 wealthy, affluent men who are complete opposites in almost every way: demeanor, style, attitude, and goals. Bruce is stoic, serious, traditional, and a do-gooder. Max is abrasive, sarcastic, old-fashioned, and greedy. I also like how Bruce doesn't hide the fact that he suspects Penguin runs the Red Triangle Gang and Max never suspects he's Batman because why would Batman be so stupid as to reveal who he is in this way? The best lie is the actual truth. Also, their brief scene at the ball later in the film is laced with tension and witty exchanges much like this scene. Keaton and Walken nailed their parts as much as DeVito and Pfeiffer did.
I just love how chill Max is with the fact Selina Kyle came back alive after he killed her. 'Nothing surprises me... next time I'll drop her outta a higher window' like this kind of thing happens all the time and doesn't bother him LMAO
Tim Burton's batman always made me feel as though I was watching a live comic book, entertaining and yet nostalgic of my childhood comic book escapism!
Man ... this scene crackles with energy when Keaton and Walken are facing down against each other across that table ... Two actors with that special ... 'SOMETHING'
@Rose Tico Enthusiast the crazy thing is Two-face could've been an outstanding character even with the joker but there was no character development and so forth. So you're absolutely correct in what you're saying. Especially with Bane and Catwoman. Like that combo didn't even fit and he made Bane this juggernaut type character and Catwoman a regular common thief...like wtf?
@Izaan ur rehman The dark knight rises was a big joke of a movie with full of plot holes and silly twist. It may earn 5 billion dollar still it was a crap movie. Also The dark knight got defeated by the avengers in box office by mile but it doesn't take away the face TDK was greatest super hero movie with best villain heath ledger. Box office doesn't mean anything. Talking about catwoman Anna hathway doesn't even hold a candle MP catwoman. She had zero emotion and had a boring story that not worthy to be remembered.
3:34 according to various sources. Those pictures are of Schrek with celebrities. One of which is Arnold Schwarzenegger, a foreshadowing of Mr Freeze in Batman and Robin!