Bill's horse, Widowmaker, is the evilest Disney villain that literally nobody talks about. His jealousy caused him to send Slue-Foot Sue to the moon and made Bill absolutely miserable! That horse is a monster...
@@EdizAndBen Here's the thing. Widowmaker is NOT a villain. He's Widowmaker. Let me explain. Widowmaker is the King of the Wild Mustang Horses. That's who he is. He was never tamed, not even by Pecos Bill. No one, and I mean NO ONE got to ride Widowmaker or even touch him unless he respected you. That respect had to be earned. Widowmaker respected Pecos Bill because Pecos did save his life and Widowmaker recognized that Pecos Bill possessed a fiery spirit that could match his own. Therefore, Widowmaker allowed Pecos Bill to ride him and they did become friends and two of a kind. That being said, Pecos Bill made a HUGE mistake when he promised Slue-Foot Sue that she could ride Widowmaker. Pecos had NO RIGHT to make a promise like that. Granted he was blinded by love when he made a promise he couldn't keep, but he was wrong to give it never the less. Sue did not have Widowmaker's respect whatsoever, and it didn't help that he didn't like her very much. She had no business touching the King of the Wild Mustangs and it was arrogant of her to just assume that she could ride him. The last straw was when she yawned while sitting on Widowmaker's back. That was an insult to Widowmaker and the worst possible thing she could have done. Widowmaker bucked Sue off and he bucked her off so hard that nobody ever forgot this lesson: Never dare assume you can ride the King of the Wild Mustangs without his blessing. Widowmaker was simply upholding his reputation. If Widowmaker had let Sue get away with that nobody would have ever taken him seriously ever again. Widowmaker was being Widowmaker.
@@EdizAndBen Your welcome. Gotta say. I like your sense of humor. Gets me to laugh while watching. Also, to quickly point out, Sue was not only going to ride Widowmaker, but she was going to ride him to her wedding. That would have been saying to everyone that Widowmaker had been tamed and tamed by the bride, meaning that Widowmaker was now submissive to her. Widowmaker was not going to stand for that. No way.
I put a ranking on Ko-fi, but I hope it's OK to post it here as well, where it might spark a little more conversation. 1. Bumble Boogie 2. Blame It on the Samba 3. Little Toot 4. Pecos Bill 5. Johnny Appleseed 6. Once Upon a Wintertime 7. Trees Johnny A and Trees get a little religious for my taste, so that knocks them down a tad for me.
Aww this is one of my favorite of the Package Films 🥰 Always a blast seeing you two watch Disney movies! ✨ While 'Pecos Bill' is really fun, my favorite is honestly 'Wintertime'. I just think it's really adorable and my boyfriend liked it so much I drew the two of us in the style of the characters! Least favorite? It's hard to say, maybe 'Johnny Appleseed' but even then I do have nostalgia for it.
I love hearing people who love something that other people don't!! 😅 And I wish RU-vid allowed picture comments as I would love to see that drawing! Sounds dope 🙌
I remember watching Pecos Bil a lot throughout my childhood because of Slue-Foot Sue and loved how she was drawn and animated during her wedding scene from 45:02 onwards. So seeing both of your reactions throughout that segment was a delight! You've earned yourselves another subscriber 😁
On re-watching (sorry, can't help it -- that's how much I enjoy your reactions), I find that the most startling moment is when Pecos Bill kisses Sue, and his guns spontaneously start shooting repeatedly and perhaps, er, prematurely. The animators getting more than a bit cheeky?
I've seen many people dismiss and harshly criticize the Walt Disney "package films" (Melody Time, Make Mine Music, Fun and Fancy Free, Saludos Amigos, Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad), but I think it's important to understand the context in which these were made. The 1940s was a TOUGH decade for the Disney studios. World War II affected everything: production schedules, budgets, many studio employees who got drafted and had to leave, overall disarray across the studio. But even before the war there was the huge Disney Animator's Strike of 1941, which not only hurt the studio financially but a lot of Walt's relationships with his employees for the rest of the decade. So with all this in mind, that's basically why these package films exist - It was simply the best and most affordable content they could create after the damage a strike and a world war caused. Finally, it's important to remember WHEN these films came out. These are from the 1940s, nearly a century ago. Back then when you went to the movies you could spend a whole day there. Between cartoon and live action shorts, newsreels, ads, musical short subjects, and 60-70min features (movies weren't 2 and 1/2 hour Marvel epics back then!), every half hour to an hour there was something different to see on the big screen. So something like Melody Time really wouldn't have been all that jarring and out-of-place to see back then. The only reason the Disney package films are kinda confusing and not very popular today is because we're now so used to Disney movies being one long and focused narrative story, instead of a bunch of unrelated shorts strung together. So these days I think these Disney package films often get unfairly judged.. Hopefully this helps make things a little bit clearer!
Being an artist and disney collector I love the Pecos bill section on the package feature. The music and animation is really beautiful. The background paintings are very colorful.
This was fantastic! I can't wait to see your reaction to Ichabod and Mr. Toad because I watch it every October near Halloween but as a kid certain scenes scared the living daylights out of me lol Can't wait to see what you both think of it.
🤣🤣🤣 Yes, as much as we'd like to kick Eddiz sometimes, we love him too (small chest and all). 🩷 Your patience is astounding, Ben. Loved the reaction to the big bustled beauty's demise. Hilarious! 💗 you mucho, Disney Stud. 😄
very excited to watch this… this is actually one of my least favourites of the walt disney animation movies but in sure you’re reaction will be entertaining anyway 😂
@@mikechicago6200 Me too. And though I'm grateful for the good info about the Disney Studio's wartime propaganda work, I'm grateful that Ben spared us "Victory Through Air Power," which mixes animation with a lot of live action. Leonard Maltin miraculously got it reissued with a lot of similar WWII stuff in one of the "vault" DVD boxes he curated... but it's not exactly a gripping experience (even aside from the inevitable ethnic caricatures). I can't even imagine what Ediz would say....
Rewatching this, I find myself wondering who your granddad's favorite musician was -- one of the jazz trombonist greats, I imagine? Glenn Miller, Tommy Dorsey? maybe Jack Teagarden?
Oh woow, you guys love city pop music?! Awesome! Fly to chinatown song is soo good! I love you guys and i love your channel, keep up the great work and please keep making disney movie reaction!❤
I hate to fuss with any of your Fun Facts, you're so knowledgeable, but for the record: Grauman's Chinese Theatre, where all the hand/foot/hoof prints are, is not in Las Vegas but in Los Angeles (specifically Hollywood). Maybe it was just a slip of the tongue in the excitement of the moment. 😄
If the Painted Indians were performing a war dance, wouldn't that imply that they were ready to go out and possibly attack some settlers? If Pecos Bill came by and shot up their preparations, he most likely had prevented a massacre.
That does give finale vibes more than Pecos Bill... Sending her to the moon is hilarious, but doesn't necessarily give the most satisfying end to the movie! Ending the movie in a cloudy heaven of apple trees is definitely a sweeter conclusion!
When it comes to my favorite, it's a tie between "Johnny Appleseed" and "Blame it on the Samba." My least favorite is, however, "Pecos Bill." Now, before anyone gets angry, I just have to say this when it comes to American folk tales, I prefer Johnny Appleseed over Pecos Bill. The only things that made me laugh are the little quail bird and the Yahoo shooting at the screen.😤😤
I love watching these and Ben’s Disney trivia seems to be stronger than mine. (Slightly)😜 Funny how Ediz seems to primarily judge these clips for their story (or lack thereof) but as an artist I tend to look at the artwork and design. Once Upon a Wintertime is one of my favourites because I love Mary Blair, and the song and feel of it all is gorgeously Christmassy.
There's a good book about Disney's midcentury visual artists, and of course Mary Blair gets a juicy chapter. Very fun to look at. (The book unfortunately omits Eyvind Earle, but I suppose his having a book of his makes up for that somewhat.)
I got to the video where you told us to rank them so here I go I'm a little foggy on this movie since I watched a couple months ago but yeah 1.Jonny appleseed 2.Blame it on the Samba 3.Pecos Bill 4.Litlle toot 5.Bumble boogie 6.wintertime 7.Trees
@@Karson-Duh-Fox The video was already out this morning in the disney classics Playlist atleast in Europe time so I'm not quite sure myself I just got the notification that it was uploaded 9 minutes ago
My ranking of all of these segments 7. Trees 6. Once upon a wintertime 5. Little Toot 4. Johnny Appleseed 3. Pecos Bill 2. Blame it on the Samba 1. Bumble Boogie
Obviously a rough era for Disney because of WWII. Ichabod and Mr. Toad is probably the best one of it although I did like the bit with the whale. The studio wouldn't have survived if Dumbo wasn't a hit. It's difficult to even find Song of the South so I get why you're skipping it
Yes, I think most people don't realise that the entire Golden Age wasn't initially a hit. And as for Song of the South, i feel like most people just want us to watch it because of the controversy... I've heard it's not that good either 😅😅
@@EdizAndBen The animated segments of Song of the South are great, if you look at them as 3 little cartoon shorts. The live action portions of SOTS, I'd say it's biggest sin is that it's boring as hell.
@@NicoAnimation True, and I've seen it. Song of the South is less controversial if you actually watch it. But the movie itself sucks aside from the brief animated segments. I've heard it thrown out there that Disney exaggerated the controversy just because they were ashamed of how lame it was. Though you could give it progressiveness points because it was pretty clear Uncle Remus was banging the kid's granny (and they still managed to make that boring). Still, I was old enough that I remember the Song of the South ride at Disneyland. They should stop pretending it existed
I've seen more than one instance of Song of the South being scheduled for a semi-private showing (at a college or conference), with a "framing" lecture beforehand... and then the whole thing getting cancelled before it happened. I've seen the movie more than once, and it's pretty distasteful, taken as a whole. I don't mean that it should go forever unseen now, but the circumstances need to be carefully considered. Amazing that Disney thought the time was right for a theatrical re-release in 1972. Your stated goal is to cover the Animated Classics. You've also included some extras as you see fit, but there's no obligation to cover every Disney feature with animation in it (So Dear To My Heart is eminently skippable too, though nobody's keeping it out of circulation). You can omit it with a clear conscience, in my opinion. 😀
I've been rewatching yet AGAIN (hey, what else am I supposed to do while waiting for Ichabod et al? 😉 ). And I've noticed that Walt's lifelong obsession with bottoms (can we call it his "gluteal fixation"?) is on full display here. Not just with Slue Foot Sue's bustle (where at least there's the excuse that that's in the old stories), but with Little Toot at the end. I think the true moral of the story is that you can get away with mass manslaughter if, in the end, you waggle your rear end seductively at the camera and wink. (I'm actually semi-serious about Disney's obsession -- think of Tinker Bell, think of what happens to the Queen of Hearts [which ISN'T in the book], think of all the perky little woodland creatures in Bambi... the list goes on and on. I'm not condemning it -- we all have our little kinks -- but once I started noticing it, I couldn't un-see it.)
Funny story about root beer: I live in America and our school had German exchange students every year and they also always hated root beer cause they said it tasted like what medicine tastes like in Germany. I don’t like grape or cherry flavored things because that’s what children’s medicine tastes like here lol
It's my experience on various RU-vid channels that non-Americans (specifically Europeans) hate root beer on first acquaintance (maybe permanently?). But probably a person has to grow up with it to enjoy it (like many other "local" tastes, I suppose.) I was brought up on it and love the licorice-y taste; it has no medicinal associate for me, I just find it fizzy and fun. No doubt there are tastes loved by British people that I would find off-putting. Marmite?
The title of this video basically sums up the movie it exists the best part in my opinion is definitely Johnny appleseed but overall I would say this is the worst package movie. Anyways I have a feeling we are going to end the era with a high because the next the one The adventures of Ichabod and Mr.Toad is really darn good in my opinion and I think Ediz will really like it since the shorts in that movie have a lot more plot than all the others before it and also pretty funny scenes and excellent songs so I'm excited to see you guys watch it in 2 to 3 months
Interesting that you consider this the worst one. The package era movies are all so different but they also all kinda blur into one... I can't wait till our award show to see how every one ranks them!!
@@EdizAndBen yeah I get what ya mean I just think the other had the better selection of shorts but this video definitely raised my opinion of it a little bit
My ranking would have to be: 1: Johnny Appleseed 2: Blame it on the Samba 3: Pecos Bill 4: Trees 5: Little Toot 6: Once upon a Winter Time 7: Bumbleboogie Johhny has a lot of spirit, they make him out to be a mighty person packaged into a small frame. I, to this day, sing "The Lord Is Good To Me" song. I was also brought up Christian and though I'm not agnostic or atheist, I feel I lost touch with my faith, and this is a small remembrance of it. Blame it on the Samba, I just absolutely loved the lady playing the organ, never heard it be used in such a way. Pecos Bill I liked due to the usage of actual people telling a story. You feel more connected. The vibe is joyouse in a somber way as the story depicts. It beckons to a real campfire and telling stories around it. I must say, I did not care for the majority of the second act with the love story even though that's the entire reason for the coyotes howling in the end. It was a slow down in all the incredible things Bill had done, like dragging rain to Texas and creating a river. Loved the fast paced chaotic ending events where Sue bounced to the moon and no one being able to stop her. Trees...I like the howling wind ok! haha. Little Toot was never really my favourite, but I do like the music a lot. Once upon a Winter Time was always boring, and I quote "Nothing's happening" lol. It's sweet and nice but overall just a meh opening. Bumbleboogie is chaotic but so forgetful that I didn't even recall its existence until this video. And that's why it comes last.
Yeah, I gotta admit, if I were you guys I'd be glad to be almost out of the package films, those past 5 I rank as some of the very worst Disney movies, the next one is bad, but it's not nearly as bad as the other 5, so I'll be curious to hear what you guys say about it.
Ichabod and mr toad bad??? I get calling fun and fancy free, melody time, make mine music even saludos amigos and three caballeros wich I consider to be good I can understand but Ichabod and mr toad is a hidden gem
Question how many of you have played the Donkey Kong games follow up Question wouldn't it be crazy if Disney made a Melody Time game where Slue-Foot Sue gets captured by a giant ape who throws barrels and wears a tie
It’s funny you said they put out American legends to sell DVDs because I bought it on VHS when I was a kid. So they didn’t exactly achieve their goal, but at least it was a sale?
My ranking matches Ben's. I used to watch a VHS tape that had Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color episode "How the West Was Lost" which included Pecos Bill segment, and I just loved it. Oh, and it was uncensored. Though I have to admit "The Lord is Good to Me" song is awfully catchy, so maybe that alone puts Johnny Newspaperseed...I mean Appleseed in second place for me. But if he's so smart, how come he's dead?
It should get better half way through Johnny Appleseed 😅 Basically, our microphone wasn't working for the first bit so we used AI to make the camera audio sound good... Now we sound like robots 😂😂
@@EdizAndBen well I'll give ya a taste of my ideas because I'm also including pixar characters in all the games with two in the first game and how bout this try to guess this Disney's smash og 12
When I was in like The 1st and The 2nd grade, I heard a story and A video. Respectively. About Pecos Bill. Or it could have just been something Complete different.🫤 Edit: Same thing. Certain memories are coming back. And I don’t like it.😑 6:13 This movie is kinda sexist. Like with this short. And Pecos bill. Bruh. 13:30 I found out about Johnny Appleseed in the 5th grade and up til a few weeks ago, I re-Found out That Johnny Appleseed was a real person. And Here I was thinking Johnny Appleseed was a fictional character.🤦🏻♀️🍎 45:07 Why does that look like an Ants Back Sack High-key?🫤 45:21 Chill this is a kids movie. This is why never were formal dresses. 46:47 The dumbest story. Bruh.
