MELTING the DOOM Iceberg... 

Everyone gets stuff wrong at one time or another, but it takes a strong person to admit when you're wrong. Huge props, Midnight.

Thanks a lot for taking this video the right way, Midnight! I was worried when you saw it some of my little edits would piss you off, but you absolutely took what I said on board by the sounds of things. Thanks a lot for commenting here, man. (GmanLives was NOT one bit happy when I made a similar response to him a couple years ago, haha!)

2 weeks? Really? Because you said 3 months when you were begging for subs in the video

I think most people get icebergs wrong, really, so it's not like you're in bad company! :P

So are you going to update your pinned comment pointing out the wrong info, or are you going to do nothing about the misinformation you just spread?

This is a Doomer who sees the BIGGER picture, folks.

but they're cute, and I want one as a pet >:v

i usually think this joke format is hack but i’m gonna say it anyway bc its true: gaping cloacas is a killer band name.

i agree 1000% w u, i was thinking the same exact thing when i saw the original video!

I didn't even know what a "cloaca" is until I read this post. Thank you. You managed to creep me out harder than anyone involved in this.

I learned all I know from Romero!

And I would even doubt that not even the map sketches from Harris's journal aren't even based on the floor plans of CHS either.

Thanks Tickleson!

The thing is, I really don’t think it’s *that* bad of a crime. I mean, yes, he was attempting to steal school property, but it wasn’t out of malicious intent; certainly not enough to put him in a juvenile center. The dude just wanted to code and work with a computer.

@@rustylasagna Carmack himself would tell you that theft is theft, computers aren't free.

This is very true, both sentences. I remade several homes I've lived in and even a grocery store and office I worked at in the late 2000s. My friends at the jobs thought they were cool and funny, there was nothing sinister read into it.

It's not even weird today. I think one of the most simple approaches when someone starts mapping, is to recreate their house/apartment, since they're the most familiar with that area. Surely, it's not a 1:1 recreation since it lacks a lot of assets, but at the very least it helps at learning some of the basics.

Now that I think about it, it's a good idea

a 90s wad iceberg would be amazing

Good comment right here, Lord Biscuit the Tossable.

@@DoomKid Don't quote me though, I am also an unreliable source! XD

@@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 You are completely correct when it comes to any Jesus imagery. As a Christian, part of the beauty of His death was that He turned a brutal, humiliating, torturous death into a saving grace. But it WAS just happenstance, if the Romans used a different method to execute people, the Archviles would raise their pale hands all the same.

Thank you for the insightful comment, I had no idea he was actually telling someone about this before hand.

Harris probably never wanted to publish the rumored Columbine Doom WAD or for the world to even see, and if the dates of his WAD files, his journal entries and the Basement Tapes is anything to go by, I would speculate that the rumored Columbine Doom WAD only existed privately on his computer somewhere between September 1996 and early April 1999 before he probably deleted it off his computer.

Yeah, they are not exactly common.

Thanks VentoliN!

Don’t be sorry, it was a good read.

Very good analogy’s and nicely described.

Full blown sadistic nature, blatant-hate, spitefulness, malice and the finding enjoyment in the suffering of others are also causes, unless if that is classified as a mental problem.

the right blamed doom the same reason the left blamed guns, to use the tragedy to push their agendas

@@dibberz-v1z Well I don't want to sound 'lefty' but I will just say Bowling for Columbine was a very compelling documentary.

Sorry, but I find it extremely hard to believe that a map made before Kurt Cobain's suicide would accidentally predict his suicide right down to a T. And it's not just the fact that the map was named Nirvana, but the title of the track used, along with the shotgun as well. And yes, I'm fully aware that the word, "Nirvana", is found within Buddhist literature, but like I said, it's a combination of Nirvana, the title track, and the shotgun being in the middle of the room, as a way to almost highlight all of it combined. I know that coincidences happen, but that's a little too on the nose for me to call a coincidence. I know I'll be called a coocoo bird for this comment, but I just don't buy the whole, "it was just a coincidence, bro", lol. And I'm not even saying that the guy had this devious plot with Kurt Cobain commiting suicide either, but rather, in my opinion, I think it was just one of life's mysteries that we don't fully understand. My main point is this: Saying for a fact that it was just a coincidence is just as bad as me saying that it's fact that he accurately prophesized Cobain's suicide, and doesn't really, "melt", the iceberg in that sense. In my honest opinion, I definitely think there was some sort of weird thing going on with that accurate prediction, and not even necessarily a prophesy, per se. Think of it with the whole Simpsons predicting things that have taken place. I don't specifically think Matt Groening knew the Simpsons would eerily predict certain future events, but rather, I think it was just one of life's many weird synchronicities. That's just my take on it.

@@shaunrocks12 It’s absolutely a coincidence, without any shred of a doubt. Sandy has denied it and had/has very little knowledge of contemporary music, and Nirvana was not among the CDs given to Bobby Prince, so none of the older id crew really even knew about the band. Also, there are a bunch of map names following the same formula (“Nirvana” is on the way to “The Spirit World”, for example- it’s referencing eastern spiritual terms), There are a *bunch* of maps where you start with an SG or SSG in front of you, this is no different - not to mention, why deliberately place the *wrong* shotgun if it’s an intentional reference? Now, on the note that it could be a prophecy - I don’t necessarily believe in that stuff, but I definitely give it more credit than them intentionally doing it! Just as a little final note, the song Countdown to Death is used in multiple other Doom2 and iwad maps. But hey, maybe there was some strange prophesising going on!

@@DoomKid I'm using the whole, "it's not a coincidence", argument the wrong way, I think. Now that I think about it, I believe I was unintentionally saying that Sandy Petersen had a role in Cobain's death, and it's no coincidence in that sense that he would reference Cobain's "suicide" before it happened, which is not really what I meant, so I was incorrect there. I guess what I meant was that it was a sort of prophecy, or unintentional psychic prediction, as crazy as that may sound. I personally believe in that stuff, but I definitely respect your position on it as well. It's a theory anyway, lol. Either way, it's still strange, in my opinion, heh.

@@shaunrocks12wow, that is a very outlandish theory

​@@shaunrocks12 Sandy killed him and the map was his confession

People did that in the 90s, just because it was a novelty to try to recreate your school or workplace as a level in a videogame like that (see how close you can get), or the part about deathmatching with your pals/coworkers in a space you're all really familiar with. There's probably a couple few hundred .wads from that era recreating schools, offices, and homes, and not one with any sinister intents, it was all for novelty and good fun. It's after Columbine and with the urban legend about the supposed Columbine .wad and various imaginations of it created by less savory people that the concept gets viewed negatively.

Haha, I knew it! Thanks for confirming.

I would say that even the classic fanbase has some issues it's still better when you show what truly made Doom great like mapsets and community projects made by old fans that kept the game alive for 20 years. Modern fans, specifically Eternal ones gave a bad reputation of etilism and stale memes more than fans ever did pre 2016. Still a lot of them are still willing to know more about it which is always welcome

@@agrubohub4009 I feel like modern Doom fans are exposed to a different generation of fanbase culture in general, when you consider their behaviors and memes that can be seen elsewhere. They're probably used to that performative "loyal fanboy" image you see in stuff like console wars and mainstream nerd media like Disney Star Wars. So in a way, it's easier to talk about how great Doom is and act religious, without understanding the history of a series' fanbase or certain traditions and all. It's always been a series that most people like, which can be turned into "everyone must be a fan of", which is the start of both the annoying fanboy behaviour but also erasure of the most interesting aspects of the core fanbase.

@@agrubohub4009 both are pretty toxic but not for the reasons you stated

And his hairy arms.

I think the arch-vile thing is a reference to the stigmata on its wrists, but I guess that fact turned into a game of telephone that culminated with "the archvile looks like a burning cross." That's just my theory.

@@doomstuff1 wait it’s got stigmata? Never realised that

@Mike Matei Inspector Gadget At least according to Doom Wiki. Honestly, it's hard to tell with how pixelated the game is, but I think it's there on a couple of frames.

What's surprising is that he dedicates so. much time on Doom and yet he knows so little about it

How was it low effort?..

@@ToxikDeth I don't know if that's the right term, but it comes off as such with the amount of blatant misinformation it has. After all, it's easier to create something based on "fun" speculation than "boring" reality.

The e1m1 video was a joke video genius, you're just salty about someone's success.

I don’t mind the ads, i understand he wants to be a career RU-vidr. I just wish he’d get his facts straight!

He's just boring.

If he could get so many facts wrong of course he could think that a speedrun could be done on GZDoom with freelook on.

I actually like Midnight and his lore videos but dang, the dude REALLY needs to do better research!

He comes across as a big bullshitter to me.

And there's the detail that he did not make _ANY_ amends in his video of this iceberg. It's still spreading cap, shamelessly and stonefaced.

Honestly it just sounds like he made most of this shit up himself

@@maltsutty I don't think he's that creative...

@@lanereynolds4567 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 but he’s a self proclaimed skilled storyteller which qualifies him to one day work for ID remember ?? That was the last video of his I watched 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@maltsutty i want to believe you made that up... But he probably did say it.

Glad you think so!

Sure man, feel free

Kevin Cloud's arms and knees made some good wall textures.

That video by Gmanlives was embarassing. He improved a bit over the years but his behaviour is not something you would expect from a 30+ year old

There’s only two. I’ll go find em! (Just to describe them, one has the arch vile reaching out/forward, kind of like the imps when throwing a fireball, and the other showed him holding his head)

@@DoomKid Ohh, I think I know the ones! It’s pics of the model itself, before they’ve been converted to in-game sprites, right?

@@gregorypendell9260 That’s right!

Like those "170 DRAGON BALL Z FACTS EVERY PERSON WHO WAS EVER BORN SHOULD KNOW" and its just obvious shit or lies

Midnight is nowhere near self-aware enough for this kind of reflection.

That sounds like a fun idea for a video!

I’m glad to hear that, BigMetalhead!

Good call!

@@DoomKid Make sure to give it some decent range. Too many videogames make flamethrowers bloom out at like 5ft-10ft because they're based on propane jets from movies (napalm would be ridiculously unsafe for a film set, to be fair), real military ones using liquid or gelatinous fuel driven by pressurized gas (ideally nitrogen as it doesn't burn by itself), which can reach as far as 50ft. The one in Osiris TC was cool because it would scorch enemies into smoldering piles of ash. Obituary had another good one.

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine You should give Ray Mohawk 2 a try sometime, I think you'll be satisfied with the flamethrower there

@@DoomKid Maybe I will. I have such a backlog, haven't even gotten around to play through all the projects I've been involved in.

Lmao!

Oh no!

Lmao!

Cheers! 🍻

Completely agree with this point.

I've gotten that before!

lol!

Good ear!

He did the wonderful sprite touch up project that's been updated for years now, a great member of the community!

@@DoomKid I remember finding it last year, I’ve been using it ever since!

That's an awesome little detail

Thanks!