A good example of why one omission can make a huge difference to an otherwise very good Mercedes Vito Electric van. Tesla Referral: ts.la/andrew31112 Octopus Referral: share.octopus....
Good review. Personally I think it is a compliance vehicle. Mercedes are better than this. Just lazy design by ICE engineers who don't want EV's. Can you imagine anyone designing a diesel van with a 3 gallon fuel tank!!!
thats not right is it 3 gallons in that van goes more than 80 miles does it not but it would then mean you could only fill it with a tea spoon to keep up with charge speed
haha , I'm a multi-drop driver & i average 150 miles each day ( and when i leave the warehouse i'm usually loaded between 1000 & 1500kg ) .. that's got to be a compliance special
I think teslas new battery design will change EV's again. How long that takes to filter down will be the issue. Until then, i cannot see van drivers dropping the diesel slugger.
@@thatguyuk1 pretty much nobody uses tesla battery design that they have been using since 2012 or something. Everyone else is doing pouch cells, not cylindrical ones. So if they didnt copy in 8 years, not sure they will hurry into it now, specially when only tesla manufactures those cells and has patent on them.
Jeeez, I have a Vito, I use it to move me and my pushbikes around the country and further. Earlier this year I drove from Southern Spain to Yorkshire with 29 hours of driving, it would take 100 years in that. Hopeless, I'm saving up for the ID Buzz.
@@delboy7039 at least provide CCS as an option on new order. + Change type2 socket for CCS + Two thick wires for DC to battery terminals + CCS handshake module + maybe different BMS module
The Satnav. Is the same as I fitted to my motorhome 6 years ago. It a pioneer. Ok but not brilliant and bloody expensive to update the mappings, Like £120. I think this van is useless! poor mileage and no rapid charge what is Mercedes thinking about. Their off their trolley and my company would never buy one.
the charge port needing to open door saves a LOT of money having a lock fitted merc owner could not afford the £10 or less to have one. ITS A POINTLESS VAN
This is the old model... The new one is coming out around the end of this year and has all of the same tech as the EQV. 90kWh battery, 110kW CCS, close to 400km range.
@@krugerdave still it makes no sense to not make option for fast DC. They have made models with CCS for a while. It doesn't seem like this is a legacy product from the time when they made the Electric B-Class, also without DC option, but only slow AC. Yet someone must have thaught it was a good idea to skip the DC option.
@@thorbjrnhellehaven5766 you're absolutely right 👍 It's a pathetic excuse for an EV and has been for its entire lifecycle. I just worry that people will read that there's a new eVito coming and then see this review and assume it's the same vehicle.
8:10 It'd be so great if the ice cream vans were electric, especially if they had solar panels, or a hydrogen fuel cell generator, so they don't run down the main battery while parked. I can't stand the smell of diesel fumes, and I always remember never being able to clearly hear the ice cream man when he was asking me what ice cream I was going to have
@@mmigesh4735 the comment was about ice cream vans which need quite a bit of power when stationary. Admittedly a very niche market but it would need a very big auxiliary battery if now using the main battery. Unless you just carry a diesel auxiliary generator.....
John Bradshaw And I’m guessing it wouldn’t be just ice cream vans that having an auxiliary power supply would apply to, but also vans used by contractors who use electrically powered tools that have to be plugged into a power source to work And would I be right in saying it takes power from the main battery to keep the 12/24V battery charged?
This van would work for parcel delivery drivers who work only in major cities. My firm runs 100+ vans on this type of work and whilst a couple of the delivery rounds are below 50 miles the vast majority are 100-200 miles per day when you factor in distance to and from the depot. Added to that you're loaded to capacity (ahem) twice a day and this Vito becomes unusable for 98% of delivery drivers and that's without the charging nonsense. It's a shame because parcel deliveries are ideally suited for e-vans, and as soon as one that works comes on the market we'll buy it. I'm sure it'll be used within Central London but beyond that, nah. Whichever OEM can first build an e-van that'll do 200 miles fully laden whilst being driven by Lewis Hamilton will be onto a winner.
Yeah, all my deliveries (except Royal Mail and Yodel) come from 40-60 miles away, and they don't go in straight line either. If I remember correctly, I once received a notification that I'm 86'th delivery for the specific driver.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Thanks for the response - and thanks for a great channel! You mentioned though that there's a range penalty when loaded and empty vans make no money. Charging times are irrelevant for parcel work because when you're doing 15-20 stops per hour there just isn't time. Lots of scope for regen though and it would save us a fortune on brake pads, clutches and starter motors! Having said that the Peugeot van is going to be suitable for a greater variety of work than the Vito which is a bit of an embarrassment for Mercedes, and can't be anything more than a compliance vehicle. Looks like we'll have to stick to our long wheelbase Sprinters for a while longer.... Thanks once again for an awesome channel and if there was any justice you'd have a million subscribers. Keep plugging away! (see what I did there)
I can't see why any business would want this, like it wouldn't really work unless you're doing extremely short journeys. They would be far better off with a Nissan: www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/e-nv200.html - I recently bought a used 2017 30KwH Leaf and it's my first car and I love it. I feel very smug being able to preheat my car. 😂
Looking forward to the PSA group vans, especially interested if they make a passenger vehicle version. Got to carry my broodaround somehow, and it would be nice to do it in an electric vehicle. The current offering, the Nissan ENV200 Avalia has a very limited range and Nissan have felt it necessary not to fit the new larger battery to it. Thanks, good review as always, Rob
We had a touran as well, great car! Yeah an ETouran equivalent,would be perfect. We don’t often carry seven people, so the back seats could usually be down and we’d have a lovely big boot for our elderly dog. SUVs are a nightmare for this purpose.Thorbjørn Hellehaven
@@theanorakchannel2496 I had a 7-seater version, but only because that was the option at the second hand dealer. I had a passenger in the third row only one time. Or maybe another time too, but without the second row. Usually I was driving with a 4-seat configuration; allowing some more reclining for 2nd row
Well, it's a start. There are a number of vans that are used for short daily mileage... Post Office last leg, city parcel delivery rounds. Like EV cars, EV vans need to be designed as EV from the get-go - it will come, the old manufacturers are starting to wake up and yawn.
Definatly do more vans always been more car oriented but vans have slowly made me think maybe an ev van could suit family life im hoping ford gets their fingers out of their donkeys and gives us a an full ev tranivan then can do a EV MSRT trani custom
80 miles ?, I get almost that out of my 14 plate ENV200...and shes only 24kw ......I thought things would have got better..?my moneys on the boxer ev ...
Compliance vehicle sounds plausible, but it is worth remembering how many people live in London and the surrounding area - 15 million in the metropolitan area and another 8 million in the South East - that's one hell of a lot of deliveries in a small radius. Basically there's a viable market for a niche vehicle there. I think Mercedes and VW want to be able to advertise EV vans and for fleet owners to be able to buy a couple, but at the moment they can't turn a profit on an EV so they don't want to sell many. Problem is from people who can't stand electric all you hear is "my mate has to drive a VW electric for work. EVs are crap - they only do 50 miles" etc. Gives the whole industry a bad name...
To have only AC chargers, is really bad choice by mercedes, as they do not really believe in EVs !! CCS is a must have in any case. Also 22 KW AC - 3 phase would be really a no brainer, unless even companies do not have 3 phase powerlines.
I used to work for Securicor parcels, who became Yodel. Their transit vans almost never stop (unless they break!) - the 'day' driver loads, and departs for his trip - roughly 9 - 6. Back at base he unloads. Next shft comes in, loads it, for shuttle trips from central distribution to branches. Usually back at base in time for the 'day' driver again. To do that with this ev Merc would need twice as many vans, with the resulting lack of space in the parking areas. Then they would need a few 'spares' to cover breakdowns, service, etc. - - And imagine trying to convert one to a camper-van!!!
The eVito is factory limited to 56MPH, if you want to go up to 70MPH you have to pay the dealer £200.00 for the privilege. The eVito features No LED headlights, No LED indicators or rear lamps. No parking sensors. The van has a heated drivers seat but I suspect that's because the conventional cab heater is absolutely rubbish; it will keep you warm in the summer but not the winter. Touch Sat Nav is not standard and neither is a DAB radio. Also the gear selector display is poorly lit and there are no controls on the steering wheel - With no AC charging option this is a very poor effort by Mercedes who launched their first e-cell electric Vito in 2012. No wonder they haven't sold many, even at the massive discount currently on offer.
Great test thanks. So true, too expensive I think. Can you do a test of the new eVito with 300km range? Also if you have a chance to test the 119 model with the new OM654 engine that would be awesome. Thanks :)
This is stupid .. With the eVito Tourer they offer a passenger van with 90kWh net battery, CCS charging with 110kW option and the charging socket in the front bumper. Selling this without the rear windows an seats would be the perfect electric van! And furthermore the Tourer has a range of about 220miles (according to real world tests)! The have all the parts ready to throw it in the commercial van!
Your average busy plumber or electrician will be carrying anywhere upwards of 200 to 500kgs of equipment in his van at all times, I just don't see electric vans feasible just yet, not for me anyway as a plumber, plus where I live I kinda need 4wd because of snow in the winter so my last few vans have been transporter 4motion, I'm looking to change again next year and it's looking like my only choice is going diesel again, but I'm kinda worried if in another few years are we going to be forced to go electric and make the 2 or 3 year old diesel van worthless, diesel prices are already getting expensive, but the choice for a good electric van is just not there
I have a 2020 e Vito I must say the one I have doesn’t have touchscreen and the entertainment system is lacking but it does now have rear camera. From experience it can do about 60-70 miles empty on the m25 / m4 but can last me a week if it doesn’t leave London Main flaw? Mileage
In 2020 it should be a legal requirement that any new car or van has to have a minimum charge speed of 22kWh. Mercedes have been playing this game for some time now and they are going to go bust. The vehicles that will be arriving from China in the next couple of years and the incredible progress Tesla is making will finish them off and any other legacy automaker that refuses to plan for the future. And its what they deserve.
Also, speaking of PSA group. I recently stumbled accross a video where some guy is excited about his new Peugeot passenger van (diesel though) that he bought after multiple generations of VW Caravela that he owned previously. Looks like French are winning over Germans.
This has been created to sell more diesel vans. As that is where MB make the profit. Make an EVan that is not even close to being fit for purpose. Leaving the still overpriced filth on wheels as the only option for badge snobs.
The best of EV VANs should be, you drive to a place, stop and during the stop, no polution happens and no noises and soon you're off again. So very good for short stops.
It's not a kit, it's the whole wiring and connection to the car. Can't out 50kW through 7kW internal wiring or into a battery that won't take it. You'll blow it up.
Thanks for doing a van. They get so much less attention than the cars. The Ducato van has a 79kW battery and DC fast charging as (£3grand) option. Nominal 192 mile range (probably 150 is plausible). That's a lot more use for a lot more people. The one thing the eVito is good at is acceleration. Vanerama reckoned it was pretty nippy. Remains to be seem how much voom the PSA vans have (Renault's are entirely poke-free). And then there is Maxus and Arrival.
Hi Andy, I've only just (25 Sep 2020) seen this presentation. As always - very entertaining. I suspect that Mercedes have been burning your lugholes since 18 Sep 2020. Keep up the good work.
I sub contract in my own Vito for Amazon . I could guarantee this thing wouldn’t finish my route. The depot has a fleet of EV sprinters that max out at 60 miles per route. It’s a con
this van is beaten by a nissan ev what a pointless waste of material Merc should just close down if there going to product junk like this. any one who buys it need there head looked at. now lets do the scotland 500 in it. start now you will get home next year
I am speaking as owner operator of two Vito’s 111 and old. 109 sorry Mercedes struggle to make electric window switches work after 13 month’s how do they think they would get a fully electric van to work ?
The lack of Rapid DC charging may be just a battery protection mechanism, they should last significantly longer and not degrade the rather limited range so quickly if they are only trickle charged at 7kW. I simply can't think of any other reason to exclude DC charging even as an option.
You know what is the saddest thing about it? It would probably still be better for me than the expected PSA vans with their truly pathetic legroom (I suppose they didn't bother to enlarge it from the ICE versions).
The lack of DC fast charging cannot be a mistske. The first EV sedan they introduced also lacked fast charging. And we know what a sales disaster that was. So we have to assume they simply do not want to sell this van.
Buenos días. Gracias por tus videos. A ver si nos puedes solucionar un problema que tenemos aquí en Sevilla con las furgonetas mercedes eVito eléctricas y su aire acondicionado. Primero nos vino un modelo el cual tiene 3 modos de conducción que son E, E+ y C. Ese modelo enfría perfectamente si lo ponemos en modo C que significa modo confort. Posteriormente nos han traído otra versión más moderna de esta furgoneta que no tiene el modo C, o sea que no enfría siempre y a veces trads muchísimo en enfriar, y repartir en verano aquí en Sevilla es la muerte sin aire acondicionado. Sabes si este modelo más moderno tiene el modo Confort desactivado o simplemente no lo trae? Ojalá supiéramos cómo activarlo. Un saludo y gracias de antemano
My 05 sprinter does 700 miles to a tank beat that ! 100litres about 100 kg . You give me a battery with that range at that weight and il think about it
They like many other other old school manufacturers don't want to hurt their current pollution fleet sales. If they were serious their entire fleet of vehicles would be electric in 5 years.
Do you think the PSA Group would send all 3 of their vans? Would there be any noticeable difference? Other than what's keeping the headlights apart. Or would you just photocopy the badges from the 2 vans they don't send and tape them to the front of the van they do?
I just hope most potential customers realize the rang and charging option is c**p. And choose a different brand. Sadly there are not that many options yet. If they are unable to sell enough cars, the have to deliver better to get the boost they need.
Driving through Keighley I see. If you're going to do a van review you need to at least drive round a really narrow rat run, far too fast though. I was expecting a picture of Boris Johnson and/or Donald Trump at the end there.
@@notmenotme614 I use the same tactic as the taliban. Make the cost to the other side not worth it. I have an extremely cheap car. My entire car will be cheaper to replace than the Audi's bumper. Once you've made clear you are willing to drive into a crowded market and blow yourself up people give you some distance. (Edit: metaphorically of course)
That's what everyone does. Well the Audi drivers anyway. Although driving my first born home from hospital, the only time he cried was the stretch through Keighley.
the range though... campervans might be stationary for some period of time, but when they move they usually move quite some distance... well, not in this van...
Occurs to me, one result of limiting it to 7kW charging is the battery will last longer. I could see a working van with rapid charging, hitting that hard every day (e.g. the shift work pattern) - and maybe Mercedes don't want to cover the battery warranty period for those who rapid charge every day.