Meshuggah Metal Riff Lesson Part 2

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On May 1, 2008, when Swedens technical metal giants Meshuggah came to New York on Ministrys C-U-La-Tour, guitarists Fredrik Thordendal and Marten Hagstrom (above left and right, respectively) stopped by MetalKults Manhattan headquarters for a video interview and riff lesson.
Meshuggah were also touring in support of their latest album, Obzen, which was released on March 11 on Nuclear Blast.
In this rare footage, the guitarists talk about their eight-string guitars, extraterrestrial solos, challenging polyrhythms, and time-signature misconceptions, before demonstrating how to play some classic riffs from their catalog, including Rational Gaze, Bleed, Electric Red, Pravus, New Millenium Cyanide Christ, The Mouth Licking What Youve Bled and Future Breed Machine.
Check out all this death-tech goodness below!

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@Freezaen 12 лет назад

"It... Move." + Hand gesture -Fredrik, speaking his wisdom

@Meurth 7 лет назад

2:44 "It... move..." -Fredrik Thordendal 2008

@dngrouscrgo 6 лет назад

I think his mic fell off his shirt so a lot of what he said got lost

@7AKV7 6 лет назад

"It's moving all the time" he said. They just thought one mic on Morten will be enough. It's not enough.

@sjn_ 5 лет назад

I like how Marten saved him tho 😂

@ddrumdude 5 лет назад

😂😂

@forwonder 3 года назад

why waste time say lot word when few word do trick

@Knutorius 4 года назад

0:11 Rational Gaze - Opening 0:34 Rational Gaze - Verse 1:10 Rational Gaze - Breakdown 1:51 Bleed - Opening/Verse/Pre-Chorus 2:43 regular guitar playing 3:18 Bleed - 3rd Verse / Riff Variation 4:37 Electric Red - Breakdown / Polyrhythmic Riff (where this happens) 6:20 Electric Red - Opening / Main Riff

@horseradish4046 4 года назад

when they lock in ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY at 8:04 with no metronome is fuckin sick, this is the power of Meshuggah, these two guys and their inhuman telekinetic guitar duo

@YanusDV 2 года назад

What Fred does at 7:59 is fucking crazy. He starts to count the 4/4 to lock into the song

@hockeyfreak66666 10 месяцев назад

Drummers disguised as guitar players are funny like that

@djangofett4879 10 лет назад

Its funny how you see several people commenting about how they don't like meshuggah on every frickin' video. If you hate them so much, then you must really be a glutton for punishment.

@MrXunholyx 7 лет назад

That Electric Red riff is evil.

@KingJamesNBK187 7 лет назад

MrXunholyx right!

@Blargaha 14 лет назад

makes you proud to be swedish, they are absolutely beastly live! One of the best live bands I've seen

@LunarLionheart 13 лет назад

Love how Fredrik clicked in like a metronome and started playing with him.....hes a machine.

@xxczerxx 11 лет назад

How the f*** do they remember all those rhythms for live shows? :O

@drumkidstu 5 лет назад

Feeling. They learn the songs by feel. Counting just makes it confusing.

@AndrewKlinger 5 лет назад

@@drumkidstu 6 years later we've finally figured it out!!

@crow-vz5lx 5 лет назад

it i really the feel and sound for them .

@darkySp 3 года назад

I can remember them by feel, which i would guess is how they probably do it, but honestly ? No idea how they remember the latter part of Bleed, i think it's the 3rd Verse. Can't get past the 4th bar.

@leviathan3630 3 года назад

@@darkySp that's when the counting starts

@jobodemon 8 лет назад

8:04 sounds massive

@DROWXXI 9 лет назад

Take a shot anytime meshuggah palm mutes

@enzio24 9 лет назад

pretty much hahahaha

@BradyThomas 8 лет назад

oh god what about bleed

@hogosbazvarakh9220 7 лет назад

HAHAHAHahAHAhaHAhahaHAHASHAHhaHAhaahahaHAHAHAhaHaaaHahaha YOur so dune!

@metallicaspiker16 6 лет назад

First 5 seconds of Bleed is Insta-death.

@Iheartdgd 3 года назад

My lawyer would like a word with you

@AlexDysphoria 16 лет назад

To speak honestly, if to blame Meshuggah for peacockery that 2 strings are enough for playing Meshuggah rather than 8, then it would be fair to blame thousands of other popular bands who really don't play more than 2-3 strings on their 6-strings. Technique is something very subjective, personally I find polyrhythmic leads by Fredrick very technical, and I cannot say any guy from Meshuggah is a technical mediocrity.

@CharlesUrich 15 лет назад

Meshuggah's elastic rhythms are absolutely fresh and cutting edge. Get in on the groove or get out. Nothing but love for the shug

@hectorvegasduque2234 2 года назад

Damn 13 years ago, I wonder if the guy still loves the shug

@HINRG14 Год назад

I would hope one simply does not stop loving the shug

@uriahuriah3792 3 месяца назад

@@HINRG14haha

@AlexDysphoria 15 лет назад

Ah, guys, could you please stop this "8 strings are completely unnecessary" and "boring stuff"? Why should I ask everyone every time to be tolerant and polite here? Please, do not offend the tastes of those people who love Meshuggah (including me). Thanks.

@ZEROTECHMUSIC 4 года назад

Whoever says 8 strings are unnecessary doesn't own an 8 string and are jelous xD

@Iheartdgd 3 года назад

@@ZEROTECHMUSIC after owning an 8 string for half a year after being one of those kinds of people for my entire life... I think you might be dead on.

@bmw_m4255 2 года назад

Stop complaining about your own video

@bmw_m4255 2 года назад

@JM Coulon that's funny

@doktormoney 2 года назад

the fact that "this is just how we see music" makes more sense than every other video there is about playing meshuggah....

@bparrish99 8 лет назад

I watched the Bleed section, and immediately am great at playing Bleed! Amazing!

@harryhengel 15 лет назад

I love the Meshuggah. It's funny to see how quiet (shy) Frederik is. I think the ending riff in Electric red is one of my favourite Meshuggah riffs. The other 20.000 not mentioned.

@NikkElektrik 14 лет назад

I aspire to be able to play rhythm guitar like Fredrik. His accuracy, and memory (I mean the guy remembers 8min songs that mostly have no actual melody to keep in mind, and the riffs are just variations of the same crazy incomprehensible discordant-looking pattern!) and a right hand stamina that is mind-blowing.

@ComeAtMeBeer 11 лет назад

I've always been attracted to "odd" sounding music. I grew up with Korn (not their later shit, I'm talking first album) and Tool. It was easy for me to get into Meshuggah because they have exactly what I look for in metal; rhythmically focused music that has an unusual feel and approach.

@romanthegambler6966 Год назад

how's your journey been these ten long years?

@Goose21 7 месяцев назад

@@romanthegambler6966prolonged exposure to such chuggy riffage has left him unable to respond

@komeng2006 8 лет назад

I hate Meshuggah (sigh!). I am pretty sure their intentions are to mock us. They compose "simple riffs" but put together with the tempo, adding this and that, it is so hard to follow. It is easy to lose focus, they're like athletes. ~a guy who is lost, trying to play along Meshuggah's songs

@Vintrahun 8 лет назад

but its so much fun when you finally understand and learn these pretty riffs and bends... yeah its a complete mindfuck sometimes :D ~ a guy who also play tons of Meshuggah song's

@SaladFingers_ 6 лет назад

Don't worry man. Those guys can't be human...

@jishnuhaider6482 4 года назад

You mean "Let focus go from your deceiving ears"? ;-)

@ifluxion 14 лет назад

4:30 lol Hagstrom - Ah, and um...it's ah where uh....uh...we come in... Thordendal - This happens Hagstrom - Yea, exactly. This happens.

@SeeMick1 11 лет назад

I love how Fredrik keeps noodling while Marten is talking

@CamiloHorrorShow 9 лет назад

Wow I do like listening to Meshuggah but my laptop speakers don't allow such low frequencies

@tabza 13 лет назад

I love how Fredrik just jumps in on the action at 7:58

@DrXaOs 8 лет назад

lol fredrik is stoned lol 0:35

@Si-Al-Ti 8 лет назад

+DrXaOs haha classic!

@DrXaOs 8 лет назад

kungmat :D

@MatheusMPL 7 лет назад

8:03 damn, that's heavy

@AlexDysphoria 15 лет назад

Well, still let's respect Korn fans. There are a lot of people who love their music and are influenced by them. But still Meshuggah's lowness is so fucking sick! *praying to Re-Nothing guitar tone*

@Oreomeister 15 лет назад

Tool and meshuggah are good friends. Their influence on each other is apparent to people who listen to both. The fact that two quite different types of music can be influential on each other is awesome. That riff was influenced by jambi, and jambi was influenced by meshuggah. Cool stuff.

@ifutureman 14 лет назад

"This is a rhythmic exercise." AND I LOVE IT! Who says a hook can't be strictly a rhythm?

@niovus4053 4 года назад

As a fellow musician and metal composer, I can tell you guys that it is not an easy task to write polyrhythms with such intensity! Meshuggah is hands down one of the best metal bands to grace the earth. Their riffs have inspired so many creative artists, including me. These dudes are great!

@SoaringTrumpet 12 лет назад

That lick in Electric Red is one of my Meshuggah favs. Basic 4/4 time, catchy as hell repetitive ("and so forth"!) syncopated riffs on top. I'm tapping my toe but at the same time trying to follow the complexity of rhythm.

@bok3rnes425 3 года назад

6:56 de-dooo-du-ku-tu-ku-tu-ku-tuk (polyrhythmic language). But yeah their music is cool and complicated (that's what's makes it fun) 👍👍👍👍👍

@000sicair 11 лет назад

The thing I can never get over is how small they make those giant fucking guitars look.

@Solar-Winds 13 лет назад

@bluetoothmark Wiki says: meshuga:, also meshugge, meshugah, meshuggah: crazy (Yiddish משוגע meshuge, from Hebrew məšugga‘) So, plausible, but, I'm not too sure that's the reason behind their name.

@-cfh-architector7963 5 лет назад

RiffMasters!

@AlexDysphoria 16 лет назад

Dear Sir, I can assure you Fredrick uses all of his strings while doing his incredible lead work. I also would like to recommend you Fredrick Thordendal Special Defects side-project. Solos it contains have completely blown me away - that proves at least Fredrick understands and uses potential of every string in his 7 and 8-string guitars. It is just a matter of Meshuggah's music - using of the lowest strings most frequently.

@Henry14arsenal2007 4 года назад

Anyone knows their signal chain/tone for this video? Seriously that tone sounds so brutal.

@DontPieceMe221 14 лет назад

The tightest guitar duo (and band) ever.

@juggernautone577 3 года назад

0:00 Rational Gaze 1:45 Bleed 4:12 Electric Red

@argavilda 15 лет назад

"... he goes wild and does whatever drums do when they go flashy..."

@Klesh 13 лет назад

@NZGuitarGuy kleshguitars

@LireyRynch 11 лет назад

7:56 is so heavy... even in this scenario

@TempestaRiggs 12 лет назад

The way they play is so organic. Playing guitar from a traditional stand point is so restrictive to me. I'm tired of 4/4 and scale and pentatonic therory as being the only way to write something. Meshuggah go outside of all that. I've been trying to play this style but it's very difficult to master but I have to keep learning from Meshuggah and people on You Tube. Also lift weights to build up my forearms because "Bleed" will kill you after a while, lol.

@tomattosfutleimierda 12 лет назад

one does not simply play meshuggah on a six string

@saintlotus93 12 лет назад

I had a lot of trouble with it too, but I realized most of my trouble was because I would stiffen up when played it. I had to practice really slow, that way my wrist and arm would be more relaxed and loose, when I played it full speed. It also smoothed out when I changed my pick to a dunlop jazz 3, they glide over the strings a lot easier, for me.

@thinkpad20 15 лет назад

Holdsworth doesn't read music, but he definitely knows his theory. Coltrane, Davis, Monk, Bach, Beethoven, Debussy, Ravel..... would you call these people uncreative? They all knew their theory backwards and forwards. Having theory knowledge gives you a tool to use in music creation; it doesn't take anything away. Knowing rules doesn't prevent you from breaking them. :) Not to mention there are many forms of music theory - classical, jazz, modern, Hindustani, etc. There is no one "music theory."

@santoslhalper6116 3 года назад

Marten's a comic genius.

@Vesna83 15 лет назад

can it be more heavier than the riff starting at 7:55

@shapiro127 14 лет назад

@Wrathofkala I think people tend to mean technical not only in the physical sense, but also in the mental sense. For example, try to play bleed. Its so mentally and physically taxing I think you'll understand once you try to keep up with the polyrhythms.

@toolkills 15 лет назад

theres no groove in the bands youve mentioned....meshuggah may stick to the real low notes...and i can understand some people finding it a bit repetitive at times...but for me....what makes them the heaviest band of all time is their groove....cryptopsy is def awesome...and technically its impressive but sometimes death metal just sounds silly to me

@Hagstrom4ever 15 лет назад

I've never said that theory is useless, at the contrary, but sometimes, or better, the most of times who study music is not really free or able to write non-considering the penthagram, self-thaught people are a different approach to songwriting, haveto use yuour head to find a way to do what you want, sometimes autodidact find something new, that noone have never thought, so...

@3vergiven 15 лет назад

Fredriks mic is really fucked up.

@Wrathofkala 14 лет назад

Why are these guys called technical giants? Megadeth's stuff is way more technical. Don't get me wrong the shit sounds great but just because you use more strings doesn't make you more technical lol. Someone elaborate please.....Nevermore way more technical etc

@Wrathofkala 14 лет назад

@Hagstrom4ever 15 лет назад

It's 14 years I play guitar and I know surely that the school of music make you see the music only in this way, and you destroy your creativity, Allan Holsworth, for example is not able to read music......He's a fusion GOD, not an Idiot.

@FischerDefilementory 14 лет назад

@Wrathofkala Nevermore are only technical in a sense of speed and flashyness. Meshuggah isn't about that at all. listening to the guitars alone doesn't really give any picture of how mind-twisting their rhythmic approach is.

@isearchforfullmoons 15 лет назад

Can you say NO MELODY?!?!? Good beat but it just sounds so boring. In Flames ftw. I love metal but this is just... i dunno. not hard to do at all, no melody, just a beat and random notes every now and then

@Hagstrom4ever 15 лет назад

In a lot of cases yes, sometimes are our parents that make us study music also when we don't need this, or when we don't show to be interested to study music, only to be educated in this way.

@Hagstrom4ever 15 лет назад

Alex240390 is this the mainly problem, all the guys that have studied music have a scolastic approach to music, and for the 2/3 years after they're not able to be INDIPENDENT without the Pentagram.

@dryad_92 4 года назад

I love how eloquent they are about the bands purpose and sound.

@KillProficiency 7 лет назад

Such fucking groove

@isearchforfullmoons 15 лет назад

!!!! In Flames we trust? They aren't leaving the music scene for a while. 8 Strings are completely unneccassary and the guitar stuff is just so boring to listen to.

@Wrathofkala 14 лет назад

@chriscoooley ..........Dave Mustaine is NOT a lead player thou. Now if you say Chris Broderick then I would say he could easily learn every song from this group.

@kamikaz1k 14 лет назад

do people really need to look at instructions for this? not burning meshuggah, but u can quite clearly tell what they're playing from listening to the song.

@CorvetteCoonass 13 лет назад

@PhillipMcKeever I can clearly hear the difference in notes that they are playing, but I'm also a bass player so that pitch range is normal for me.

@holygroove2 13 лет назад

I wish they'd have gone further into the next section of the Bleed riffs cause that's what makes the song awesome - when they vary the rhythm and make it start and stop in funky places. LOVE it!

@Freezaen 13 лет назад

Those guitars must be so friggin' tight.

@nipulkradmsinatagras8293 3 года назад

*F (super damn low)* *A# (low)* *D# (low)* *G#* *C#* *F#* *A#* *D# (high)*

@OfficialArkasia 2 года назад

Actually, Fredrik is on the right and Marten on the left

@JoeyAP2 15 лет назад

Hey thanks for the URL, but your comment got removed...? What the hell lol. That's alright, I can still view the comment in my inbox :)

@Wrathofkala 14 лет назад

@shapiro127 actually I have an exercise from my guitar lessons that is close to this and I see what your saying now...

@deronmillercky2 15 лет назад

all i know is the lowest string is a bass string, with 8 strings u shudnt really hafta tune down but they proly do

@underscoreisnotvalid 15 лет назад

man i love these guys, they have such a good feel in terms of groove and a sick guitar tone

@wasitthat 13 лет назад

@Crazymark1 He hardly has room in his brain for linguistics, that guy is so fucking metal.

@ProbTron 15 лет назад

What you hear is a battle between 2 guitars. Too bad they didn't show the guy on the right in the same shot.

@metallicarula 11 лет назад

the title should be "earthquakes explanation"

@Deylan06 11 лет назад

Dude toki is based off fredrik

@holygroove2 13 лет назад

@666spawnofsatan666 - it is and it's not. On Nothing,Obzen, and a few albums before those, they use a system. If you can learn how to nod your head to the beat, that's a major accomplishment. Go from there to learn the riffs. The verse riff to Rational Gaze is not too hard. It has a starting point, and an ending point. They totally use cycles, and their music is arranged into sections. Otherwize, they wouldn't be able to play it live - which is mind blowing to see.

@boogahed 15 лет назад

the whole point of the 8 string is so they can play bass. Like he said its a rhythmic exercise, and u need the next 4 at least for pwr chord. I imagine there is sum sort of need for all strings to help hold tension and tones up the neck maybe??? Maybe it's just annoying to sit on the couch and not be able to dick around wit higher strings, thats more likely the answer:) they seem pretty blaze about playn

@danohrly 15 лет назад

It could be compared with someone who is ridiculously good and experienced at playing Tekken, and is beaten in a match against a complete newbie who just mashed a load of buttons. Typically people who are truly immersed in music theory may be cautious to write, or might even use a robotic process for writing a piece, because they've seen it all done before. I think the real geniuses are those who are experimental with theory and who manage to fuse styles that are a polar opposite from each other

@Dinos4urFour 12 лет назад

And 'traditional' metal takes more skill? I mean, have you ever tried to play a Meshuggah song on guitar, let alone on drums? Every member of this band is insanely skilled at what they, you might not like their music and I'll admit it's an acquired taste, but you can't say they have 'no technique and no skills', that's plain wrong.

@JoeyAP2 15 лет назад

Where can I actually get that album?? I searched iTunes, and no results showed. What's his myspace?

@donSparda 12 лет назад

I understand why people dislike Meshuggah, it might be too complex and too different to mostly everything else called metal, i like Meshuggah, not love, i barely heard a few songs, but so far i like them, it can take A LOT of time to get into a metal band, what happens when that band is unique?

@chriscoooley 14 лет назад

@Wrathofkala tell dave mustaine to learn every meshuggah song, he could probably play like a few of them. frederik thordendal probably was able to play every megadeth song by the time he was 15. nothing against megadeth, but their music is definetely simpler than meshuggah's

@thedespisedicon 14 лет назад

@adrenalynejunky now that i think about it...that would be a totally cool sound. if meshuggah did a song with john (as well as jens) i would cream. although i think it would have needed to be done in johns earlier days were the vocals were a little more bipolar.

@BTHpodcast 12 лет назад

How do these guys headbang the way they do....and play that shit at the same time.

@holygroove2 13 лет назад

@666spawnofsatan666 - LOL!!! OK the funny thing is that I still love their music even though I'm obsessed with the way they do it. That's part of what makes them amazing is that people enjoy their music regardless.

@Jerkoffkid 15 лет назад

"technical metal"? No. Listen to The Faceless, Necrophagist or Spawn of Possession before you call these two note mofos tech metal. Sure playing in odd timing is a part of tech metal, but use your fret board some more guy.

@Dudujjsjwjdudjjejwuduujr 15 лет назад

Its not that it destroys your creativity, its just a path most people can handle for their brains and minds. Holdsworth is not like others so thats why he approached music like he does, besides it is just music THEORY

@diegomifits666 13 лет назад

@Death66reaper6 Man have you ever listen to Asesino? Dont talk like that about Dino man.

@Blargaha 13 лет назад

@AntiHero1996 I had to doubbelcheck and, damnation you were right! I humbly apologise and hopes that some impressionable kid hasn't got a skrewed up view of the world after reading my comment

@rosenbluntz 15 лет назад

what's the point of music if you can't shred? i don't know, maybe the visceral expression of emotion. being able to tap polyarpeggios in 32nd not patterns at 150 bpm is only one part of music.

@TheSpuditron 15 лет назад

I don't really agree man, I don't see how there would be room for melody lines. I just love the pounding guitar rhythms. And check out "Dancers To A Dischordant System". THE. BEST. SONG. EVER. FACT.

@Avoryne 15 лет назад

i like this band,but i hate the view people have on them,they aren't genius musicians,it's just that most people are just eazily ammused lazy followers and idiots with no ambition,it's all relative

@alex240390 15 лет назад

pffff , no u dont /:) if u have rithm u can play this shit ... i've been studying music since i was 7. Playd with the metronome all the way. Even off tempos. This shit is not that hard /:)

@holygroove2 13 лет назад

Dude. Electric Red is my favorite song on Obzen. I'll have everyone know that I bought that album b/c of this video.

@PhillipMcKeever 13 лет назад

i can understand using a 7 string but i cant even understand the difference in the notes they are playing at all, i guess i'm not use to hearing an 8 string seeing i have a 7 string.

@Solar-Winds 13 лет назад

@Jayomi09 Dino's also conceited as fuck, and there's many things that can be shown to back that statement up. Meshuggah is by far the most humble amazing band that I've yet to find.

@BTMandy1 14 лет назад

i think they said line 6, I think they have that sound because of the 7 and 8 strings, cuz line 6 arent tube amps so guitars the same when u plug them in, im pretty sure about that

@ssskai 15 лет назад

so you are saying videos that only relate to people with 6 string guitars should be shown? i have a 7 string, a few people i know have an 8 string, but i guess we don't matter?