Meta Quest 3 Review: The BEST VR Headset of 2023?

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in this video, I'm going to be reviewing the new Meta Quest 3 VR headset. The Quest 3 is the latest and greatest from Meta, and it's a significant upgrade over the previous model, the Quest 2. The Quest 3 has a sleeker and more comfortable design, a higher-resolution display, and more powerful hardware. It also features a new pass-through mode that allows you to see the real world around you without having to take off the headset.
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@ElMarkitox7 7 месяцев назад

Waiting for the videos! I was expecting this

@Lambretta_G 7 месяцев назад

A review can't be sponsored by the manufacturer of the product. Please stop trying to normalize this, just call it a showcase not a review.

@tonezilla 7 месяцев назад

Ehh, disagree. If he says his views and opinions are truly his own, AND he IS trustworthy, there shouldn’t be a problem with it. There is an issue when other tubers give fake positive reviews though. I trust @ETAPrime and @RetroGameCorps… Other people? I can share your sentiment of lack of trust…

@TsukitaAki 7 месяцев назад

@@tonezilla I agree with you.

@Lambretta_G 7 месяцев назад

@tonezilla Mentioning what you like, can be your honest opinion. Omitting what you don't like, is also technically honest: "I didn't lie, I just omitted the truth". A manufacturer would never approve a sponsored video if they didn't think it would work as an ad for them, that's why they pay for it. Even if there is no malice in this review here, its still a bad look. Was etaprime out of sponsors or was meta out of paid influencers that will do an ad for them? In my comment I said don't normalize this please and look its working! You are actually trying to defend a paid "review" that has no reason to exist as paid.

@mtherion3316 7 месяцев назад

He can do what he wants it's his channel.

@mcgritty8842 7 месяцев назад

This isn’t even a review… it’s just frickin unboxing and saying what Meta wants. Really listen to the content. Literally does not say one we did not already know and hear from Meta before it was released

@scubaspi 7 месяцев назад

I got the Quest 3 day one and now modified it with the Bobofit strap and batteries. The color passthrough is amazing. I can put it on for hours, playing, snacking, and drinking while swapping battery packs. Finished Half Life Alyx last night and capped off the evening with Cities VR. Easily my favorite console. This week I'll finish installing Virtual Boy emulation, Doom 3, and Half Life 1 as I had on my Quest 2 and Frankenquest 1 before that.

@Sigurther 7 месяцев назад

How hard was it to get working with Steam? Been seeing mixed reviews on that.

@Theyralltakenfu 6 месяцев назад

Really good review. Thanks.

@MisterUrbanWorld 7 месяцев назад

You should do an emulation video for this.

@Kristussy 7 месяцев назад

EMUVR is insane! Granted you need to link to a PC for it.

@GarrettTobyC13 7 месяцев назад

I’ve got up to the switch running on the headset natively.

@justin_lee3005 7 месяцев назад

@@Kristussywhen you say this, do you mean like your playing on a screen in VR? Or how does it work? I have a quest 2, I haven’t used it very much.

@londiebrondie 7 месяцев назад

I can confirm emulation is pretty lit on the Quest 3

@Dirt33breaks 7 месяцев назад

I tried dolphin for wind waker, it was a bit janky, waiting for ETA optimised settinsg

@kempatsu2205 7 месяцев назад

Got one for my birthday and damn! it's pretty awesome!

@patrickcadette 7 месяцев назад

Ohhh.awesome...😁😁😁👍👍👍.nice upgrades..

@Datrebor 4 месяца назад

Great review, I'm going to get me one too. I like how well you did the review I subscribed to your channel.

@DannerBanks 7 месяцев назад

That's bomb that Meta sponsored this post, congrats ETA Prime.

@chilly578 5 месяцев назад

My quest 2 broke about 6 days ago and ive been thinking if i spend more on the quest 3 and by watching this video ive made the choice to get quest 3 My thoughts on review: Very easy to understand, goes in-depth and even shows the upgrade comparison on screen whilst saying the upgrades and talking about them 10/10

@jerrysmart5010 7 месяцев назад

There's hasn't been a huge amount of games making use of the Quest 3's better horsepower yet, but games like Demeo and Red Matter 2 look absolutelty incredible and show a really exciting future when Quest 3 support floods the online store! My personal favourite games are Wooorld and Walkabout Minigolf!

@Vimm57 7 месяцев назад

nah with QGO you can upscale games at a cost of $10 and battery life

@alphacompton 7 месяцев назад

I've been much more into VR games lately thanks to the Quest 3 and Into the Radius looks amazing on the Quest 3 standalone. Much more like a PCVR game but I agree we need more Quest 3 updates. I finally finished Iron Man VR because of the automatic resolution upgrade. It was fun.

@snowpegasi 5 месяцев назад

It's gonna be a while before we get games that make full use of the Quest 3, it takes months to make games and I imagine even longer for VR games considering the range of interactivity expected from such tittles, come February next year is when I imagine we'll get announcements for up coming projects.

@VRtechman 7 месяцев назад

You should test out the performance with VR desktop and Steam VR. That's my #1 concern with any new mini PC you review. What's the VR Performance like? 😬

@PomuLeafEveryday 7 месяцев назад

Dont know why but I get nostalgic flashbacks to the 3DS AR games from these mixed reality games

@Drstrange3000 7 месяцев назад

I thought the same thing lol

@christianr.5868 7 месяцев назад

Same dude

@Chumpal 7 месяцев назад

Face Raiders went hard

@Joric78 7 месяцев назад

No dead/stuck pixels or other display defects? I don't put much stock in reports of individual faulty units, since that's just anecdotal. The reports of people returning multiple units with display defects concerns me in regards to the quality control. Weight difference to the Quest 2 is supposed to be less than half an ounce by the way, and all in the strap and adjustable facial interface. Despite the larger battery.

@alphacompton 7 месяцев назад

I had the Quest 3 for about 2 weeks now and it's revitalized my interest in VR. I use a Valve Index daily with full body tracking for VRChat but I don't play many other games often but I did pick up the Quest 3 and have been enjoying it a ton. The controllers using the new haptics feedback similar to the PS5 controller is awesome and more immersive. The star is the new lens display system so everything looks much more clear and incredibly sharp. Comfort is subjective, it's probably fine for most at 1-2 hour sessions but you should get a 3rd party strap. Stand alone games look MUCH better even ones that weren't updated look a lot sharper. Everything looks and feels faster thanks to that brand new top of the line mobile chip. Unlike previous Quest processors , this one is literally the best available that's not an made by Apple. Mixed reality games seemed like a gimmick but I've been having a lot of fun with it. It feels new, fresh and fun, it's especially good for people like me that don't have a large unobstructed space to play VR in. There's so much to say about it. it's not perfect but no headset currently is. I can say it's an excellent value and worth it.

@chromerims 7 месяцев назад

Fascinating showcase. Thank you.

@SG-qb8ne 7 месяцев назад

I want a headset for mainly gaming and watching *cough* stuff. Should I get a PSV2 or a Quest 3?

@jeffmofo5013 7 месяцев назад

What's the lens size and the eye space size? The quest 2 is a face hugger and I still use my Odyssey plus because it's significantly bigger. and yes I bought the larger face pad for the quest. Still a face hugger.

@gingerdude94 7 месяцев назад

Yeah the mixed reality is the coolest bit

@chacuajxengvue3056 7 месяцев назад

Should have bought the elite strap long ago, just purchased it with the Quest 3 and I think it would be better with the auto cramp aduster.

@efelt2708 7 месяцев назад

Looks like another upgrade is on the way

@GirlOnAQuest 7 месяцев назад

I finally beat ETA prime to a product before he did a review. I feel like a million bucks 😂😂😂

@duwaine96 7 месяцев назад

Of course he had to wait to get a free headset.. sponsor garbage

@FatNorthernBigot 7 месяцев назад

I have one and it's a huge improvement on the Q2. I think the Q2 was just too budget conscious and too many compromises were made.

@yup873 6 месяцев назад

Just bought one got the 512gb with a free game. It is awesome

@kikayei 7 месяцев назад

How long does the battery last during a long gaming session?

@tommyle628 7 месяцев назад

dang, we grow up with the SNES, PS1/2 and now our kids will grow up with this kind of platform. Crazy what 30 years can do for gaming...

@colmartino5434 6 месяцев назад

Great piece of kit dont regret getting mine just wish i could have got my hands on a 512 but hey i will just swap my games out.

@discardedparticles 4 месяца назад

1:58 It weighs a few ounces more than the Quest 2 but it's balanced better? It still all seems to be in the front of the headset. How much difference could there be even at 40% thinner, weight is weight?

@hinglemacringleberry9004 5 месяцев назад

Rule 1 of reviews is dont even bother watching it if the person reviewing it is sponsored by the product they are reviewing

@jelliot1014 5 месяцев назад

totally agree

@thebarbiter4644 6 месяцев назад

I'm wondering if I should get this or wait for the rumored Steam standalone headset.

@dezzi912kw 7 месяцев назад

It's a 18 watt charger. Love the content.

@marcinmorun 7 месяцев назад

I would like to see Phantasy Star in mixed vr.

@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh 7 месяцев назад

I saw SGWZONE eGPU docking station, comes with RTX 3070 130W and RX 6600M 80W, could you order of of these and review 😁

@GitDatPC 7 месяцев назад

Meta Quest 3 + XG Mobile RTX 4090 + ASUS Flow X13 Laptop = Portable VR party on-the-go 😎👍

@nimbus2146 7 месяцев назад

since you talk about SBC, you might be the right person to talk about using Quest 3 as a portable workstation. most gaming channels dont discus about niche usecases like this. can you talk about things like screen door effect, apparent resolution which some say is comparable to a 1080p or a 720p resolution and a TN monitor's colors. how's the eyestrain, readability, etc. maybe sideloading some android browsers and use it as a standalone workstation with a keyboard and a mouse, or use it for virtual desktops of a PC over LAN

@NothingHereForYou 7 месяцев назад

I wish I used my quest 2 enough to warrant me upgrading, but I don't. I always have a blast when I play vr but never get around to it

@brokensword2621 7 месяцев назад

Great review. Also for first encounter if you have bigger room with better lighting you have way more cool experience with this game. I personally love this game. Very cute game 😃

@richiehang7065 7 месяцев назад

A Rick and Morty adventure for this would be amazing 🤣

@Sup_D 7 месяцев назад

How is the performance when connected to Portable Handhelds like ROG Ally or Legion Go?

@ge2719 7 месяцев назад

i keep commenting that he should do vr benchmarks on these devices, but he never does.

@GirlOnAQuest 7 месяцев назад

Impossible. They're not powerful enough to run VR.

@ge2719 7 месяцев назад

@@GirlOnAQuest that depends on the thing they are running. beat saber is very different from half life alyx, which are both very different from big screen or just vr videos. theres people who have ran vr on mini pcs and ryzen 7000 series handhelds

@Sup_D 7 месяцев назад

Well, Portable x86/x64 Handhelds and VR Devices have just started to have a stable and good performance on their own. Doing it before with those Mini PC's or Laptops wouldn't really have given a good performance.

@VideosWithNexus 7 месяцев назад

@@ge2719and even then half-life alyx runs on the Rog ally

@Dirt33breaks 7 месяцев назад

Emulators and their best settings please!!! Dolphin first!! Thank you sir. I got mine and i want tobplay emulators in it, i tried dolphin butbit was a little janky, need best settings advice. Playing sideloaded games on this thing is wild! My new nacon telescopic cobtroller for andoid is now obsolete adter 1 use lol

@mminde3616 7 месяцев назад

Could have showed red matter 2 on quest 3, to show improvements from q2.

@juniarasdermawas7007 6 месяцев назад

Can use it with PC?

@McKluskie 7 месяцев назад

its not really 40% slimmmer though is it as the faceplate is much thicker.

@MUCKLEECH 7 месяцев назад

"My review of the meta quest, sponsored by meta." *clicks off video*

@jasonmeister6988 7 месяцев назад

anyone know if it has games like Onward, VTOL VR or Skyrim VR ? Or other awesome VR games ? All I see online are kinda kids games

@kevinbuchanan67 7 месяцев назад

The quest 2 was amazing for the price and it looks like the trend will continue

@quarteratom 6 месяцев назад

Will you really buy this now and throw it away when it bricks when the app is no longer maintained, and the servers shut down?

@Jay_RiceCakee 6 месяцев назад

Wdym they fixed that

@PixelBaller 7 месяцев назад

3d movies look great in this. Probably another one or two evolutions before it can replace a tv for movies.

@zorintoto1167 7 месяцев назад

If they some how make it super light or remove the battery entirely and make the power cable super thin and light then for sure !

@mcgritty8842 7 месяцев назад

Lol they gotta make it more comfortable than watching a movie on a tv. 3d movies have no purpose and have always beem wasteful use of resources

@PixelBaller 7 месяцев назад

@@mcgritty8842 not just 3d, but also volumetric video. Apple are filming the new Godzilla series with this tech in mind for their headset. They are also launching a first ever 4k 3d film (previously limited to 1080) with Avatar 2 on their headset. The next few iterations of these will be game changing.

@SerjStar 7 месяцев назад

Mixed reality mmm I bet adult industry is like hold my beer 🍺 😊

@Fnord23Gnosis 7 месяцев назад

Can you do native 3ds emulation SBS on quest 3?

@anoncanon1100 6 месяцев назад

reminds me of ghost in the shell

@sweetasdude 7 месяцев назад

Going to guess my budget does not allow.

@MichaelDeHaven 7 месяцев назад

$500 for 128GB and $650 for 512GB. I'm personally sticking with my quest 2 for now. Might bite in the future if they go on sale for the right price.

@justin_lee3005 7 месяцев назад

@@MichaelDeHavenafter watching this video, think I’m gonna sell my quest 2 for 2-300 if possible. And then just pay the difference for a quest 3

@TRX25EX 7 месяцев назад

It's worth it, so far I'm impressed, I'm Pimax Crystal user so my expectations were high but Q3 really good

@mcgritty8842 7 месяцев назад

@@justin_lee3005who in the right mind would be a used quest 2 for $300?!!? Top models is $350 right now. Think before you drink

@Cosmic-Bear. 7 месяцев назад

On a side note... Your kid's playroom is fucking awesome. Great dad work there, haha.

@Stevegrande1 6 месяцев назад

I don’t know anything about these VR headsets so will be my first one. I’m located in Australia. I read you need to have Facebook to be able to use this head set ?? Also do you need a laptop to be able to use this like other VR units. I don’t have face book or a laptop. Do you think this unit will be suitable. I’d prefer to buy a good Quilty unit even though it will be my first one I don’t mind spending the dollars on a good unit not some cheap rubbish. Thank you

@ElmoSnuffy-vo3eu 7 месяцев назад

30 seconds in. Next!!!!

@sinenomine4540 6 месяцев назад

Does this work with steam games?

@GameCookerUSRocks 6 месяцев назад

I appreciate the video but this didn't really help much. With all the rave it doesn't seem like it stacks up against wired VR headsets. I guess there there's really no replacement yet that matches wired quality experience.

@dorukbebek 7 месяцев назад

that is nice but not enough!

@cw1217 7 месяцев назад

The mixed reality "games" are really just tech demos. There aren't any Quest 3 exclusives at launch which is sad.

@josephzuniga8616 4 месяца назад

My apologies if I missed it but the price would have been great

@first-thoughtgiver-of-will2456 6 месяцев назад

augmented reality will be the greatest thing to happen to computer science since Internet. AI will beat it but the history of technology will have a definite Internet->AR->AI segment in the timelines.

@xbenxwilsonxhighlights7879 3 месяца назад

Oh my god imagine a zombie shooter/base defender.

@BlaxkHouse 7 месяцев назад

Damn I wish I had an arm and a leg to give to even afford the quest one 😭😭😭

@nikiiv 7 месяцев назад

what is the data speed if connected to PC. The old 2 had a terrible cap at 5GBPs

@andrewcosten 7 месяцев назад

I can't do VR...it makes me unwell lol 😢

@OmbaAphire 7 месяцев назад

It REALLY depends on what you played on, if you have not used the later gadgets, you could be missing out. With tracking being "inside out" vs external cameras like the older vr, vr sickness is pretty much limited to the game vs the entire experience as soon as you put it on. Driving in a car in vr is a lot different than "running" in a virtual game, everyone has their limits, even us vets have that game or two that induces motion sickness even with 7 years of vr.

@u.m.gofficialuntitledmechg1407 5 месяцев назад

When I got my meta quest 3 the straps really pressed against my head and hurt anyone know anyway to prevent this?

@harley22x 6 месяцев назад

"Hey guys, I worked so hard to buy the new VR headset!" Sweet, what games do you play? "Oh man, I've been playing job simulator. It's so much fun!" Lmao 😂

@shocknawe 7 месяцев назад

Previous thumbnail was better imho.

@gsestream 7 месяцев назад

if they only would fix their software even on quest 2 to make the ux/setup not trash

@JustinEmlay 7 месяцев назад

Got mine sitting in a box. Waiting for the prescription lenses to arrive. Can't wait. First thing I want to do is play VirtualBoy games!

@scubaspi 7 месяцев назад

Wario and Red Alarm are great on the Quest. Controller could be better but the VB had a unique design.

@jdarg4163 7 месяцев назад

I just bought my Quest 3 acouple of days ago and I've used it everyday since I bought it I use it more than my Playstation VR 2 but I don't think it's better at VR gaming but I do play alot of Mixed Reality games on my Quest 3 and I use it to watch TV shows, movies and I also use it as a monitor for my my Macbook Pro but my only 2 gripes are it takes time to switch from hand tracking to the controllers and vice versa and the battery life is only just over an hour of usage but other than that I really like it especially the mixed reality apps

@KarlynGR 7 месяцев назад

I ordered one to use it with virtual monitors with my laptop, is it good in that regard?

@mcgritty8842 7 месяцев назад

People like you who buy the products need to make reviews… not these paid for advertisers who want sales

@jdarg4163 7 месяцев назад

@@KarlynGR Yeah I use Logic Pro X with it everyday

@jdarg4163 7 месяцев назад

@@KarlynGR and there’s a choice between apps to use to stream you PC or Mac to there’s Virtual Desktop which I use and there’s Immersed and other apps

@sebastianhoyos1961 5 месяцев назад

May not be better than the PSVR2 overall, but the psvr has a very limited library compared to what Steam has to offer.

@Stefan15957 7 месяцев назад

Jesus. I have got to stop watching your videos man! Everytime I do, I spend money LOL! Looks like I'm on my way to Best Buy!

@stephenarkless9444 7 месяцев назад

Glad they've removed the forced Facebook login

@mcgritty8842 7 месяцев назад

It’s been gone

@CrystallineLore 7 месяцев назад

If it's still locked to Meta, then it's a pass. I'll wait for a jailbreak like the previous version.

@exodous02 7 месяцев назад

With my quest 2 experience I had I think I'll hold off until the Deckard comes out. I bought the quest 2 because of all the glowing reviews, used it for maybe 20 hours, gave up and on VR, got a Valve Index and now love VR now. I think the problem with meta is they are focused on the 'race to the bottom' thinking that is a better strategy then making something great. Valve is focusing on the platform and holding off on the hardware until it's ready and it aint going to be cheap, I'm alright paying 1 or 2 thousand dollars for a better experience. Paying a quarter of that just to have something made by fisher price and a UI made by leappad just isn't what I want.

@mcgritty8842 7 месяцев назад

You can’t even compare sales…. quest 2 blows Valve index sales out the water!!!! Meta is trying to include the whole gaming community, not just those who want to spend lots of money on 1 system. I spend my money where I see fit

@Levi-hs6mg 7 месяцев назад

The UI is fine... Also how is the hardware fisherprice-eske? It's not super fancy material but it doesn't feel cheap, it's also significantly more durable than the valve index, my buddies index has had multiple broken controllers and his wires broke twice. Quest 3 is better than the index in almost every way lol

@duwaine96 7 месяцев назад

A sponsored video, let me guess, the product is amazing. It's wonderful, it's an incredible... When they get a product for free just change the clip to another review😂😂

@Playerz714 7 месяцев назад

Ehhh a free product is much different to review than spending money on it

@theghastlygamer5326 7 месяцев назад

I think you got thaat wrong. Im pretty sure its an 18watt charger not 15

@LuisLopez-bl3bg 6 месяцев назад

Sponsor but in honest, thinner but it's weights more which gives more stability 😂😂😂

@Antisocialnerd2 7 месяцев назад

Main reason i got rid of the meta quest 2 is because it was so locked down from a software aspect .. If you are bot willing to jailbreak the f out of it it's pointless and has no real use.

@blackred1032 5 месяцев назад

I miss what oculus used to be. This whole business aspect Facebook login is BS I hope they got rid of it. Besides this what good vr headsets are good for gaming on PC?

@DudeStrange 7 месяцев назад

Pro Tip: You can do PCVR using The ROG Ally over The Virtual Desktop

@justin_lee3005 7 месяцев назад

Is an ally powerful enough for that?

@Antisocialnerd2 7 месяцев назад

@@justin_lee3005There are ways to just broadcast the screen over WiFi to this thing effectively turning your Rog ally or any handheld using windows into a massive screen

@TRX25EX 7 месяцев назад

@@justin_lee3005it can run some games like Beat Saber or some other but nothing that's on par with what native Q3 game does

@guderian557 7 месяцев назад

'ounces'? 'inch'? I thought this was a channel about modern technology , not a channel about the dark ages.

@cedricsipakam2601 6 месяцев назад

The quest 3 really gets me excited about the work I can do with it, changing environment while working, having several screens, I'll save some money, so I can buy one. I genuinely think I can be more productive with it!

@jjcranfill 7 месяцев назад

Hey I'm a little confused, is this a sponsored video or review? You said both in the beginning but it's a huge conflict of interest to review something you're paid by the company to look at. If they sent it to you as a review sample that's cool, just wanted some clarification.

@randallsavage4135 7 месяцев назад

You know what....your right! I'd like to know this also! It's only fair to us, not that I think ETA lies to us (I hope atleast) but it would be nice for a clear and concise level of transparency (too many redundant wOrDz) when it comes to expensive tech...

@makotoyuki9498 7 месяцев назад

It is sponsored, if you check the video description it says it in there…

@jjcranfill 7 месяцев назад

@@makotoyuki9498yeah but he also says he's "reviewing" the headset in the description. Sponsored content by nature cannot be a review.

@makotoyuki9498 7 месяцев назад

@@jjcranfillI get that, not a huge fan of his style with saying it’s a review, while actually sponsored. I didn’t mean to sound like I was defending that practice, but just wanted to point out it said it was sponsored in the description.

@jjcranfill 7 месяцев назад

@@makotoyuki9498 fair, I'm just hoping he either changes the wording or maybe it's a misunderstanding of some sort

@youraveragedillon5958 7 месяцев назад

It's not lighter which sucks

@demonprincess5634 5 месяцев назад

not for 500 dollars that insane

@dj_andre 7 месяцев назад

Круть)))))))))

@riodave4954 7 месяцев назад

Emulators!!!! And xCloud!

@stijnVDA1994 6 месяцев назад

Uh the quest 2 went from over 13 to over 10 so i don't really believe you have the right info.. especially knowing that the quest 3 is smaller and lighter..

@stijnVDA1994 6 месяцев назад

And the quest 2 is also available in 512 gb, i own that one

@Jay_RiceCakee 6 месяцев назад

Meta made the quest to the age 10 and above so that more can explore vr ,blud think about it we got newborns with iphone 15z so like ion see a difference 😂😂😂

@BrianThomas 7 месяцев назад

I have the Quest 2 and I thought it worked really well compared to the Oculus Rift. I'm at the point now where I'm going to skip a generation and purchase the Quest 4. Think this will blow my mind compared to the Quest 2. Don't get me wrong the Quest 3 looks really good, but I'm betting that the next generation will even better.

@Runt52 6 месяцев назад

You say in the beginning of your video that the age is 13+. The actual age is 10+.

@Hazemann 7 месяцев назад

Meta Quest 3 > PSVR2 anydays ❤❤❤. But VR in general not so hot gaming device. Only enthusiasts gamers purchase VR, not casual gamers, so can't sell many

@srvuk 7 месяцев назад

Nice but still overpriced and for me, there is no way anything with a connection to Zuckerberg will ever get a penny of my money.

@syazonez7 6 месяцев назад

No doubt quest 3 is the best.. But next year will be solid Apple vision pro.. and cant wait to see traditional rival between samsung and apple in VR space.

@flyfordays 5 месяцев назад

It’s not the best…i guess you haven’t owned a varjo? or a pimax? And with accessories this is almost $800-$900…so for that you can get something much better!

@zorintoto1167 7 месяцев назад

I mean .... There arnt many alternatives

@Antisocialnerd2 7 месяцев назад

Yeah exactly this is the BEST ...the other one isn't as good lol